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MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:23 pm

MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MOST OF US WRONG AND WE ARE IN THE PLAY-OFFS "

I WAS TOTALLY AGAINST NEIL HARRIS BEING APPOINTED AS OUR MANAGER BUT FAIR PLAY, HE'S PROVED ME AND MANY OTHERS WRONG


Cardiff City totally dominated and deserved the three points against a very poor Hull City side.

Now we can enjoy the play-offs



Cardiff City knew a point would guaranteed a play-off place

Hull City had to win to stand any chance of avoiding relegation

Neil Harris made a change from the win at Middlesbrough, with Marlon Pack starting ahead of Will Vaulks. Junior Hoilety was fit enough to start



Cardiff City started on the front foot in the first few minutes and Robert Glatzel had an early shot saved

Glatzel had another chance a few minutes later but shot wide

Nathaniel Mendez-Laing shot over in the 11th minute


GOAL: Junior Hoilett gave the Bluebirds the lead in the 20th minute :ayatollah:

Cardiff City dominated the first half an hour and deserved the lead

Hull should have had a penalty after a challenge by Joe Bennett but the referee waved it away


GOAL: Sean Morrison scored for Cardiff City to make it 2-0 and put the Bluebirds totally in control :ayatollah:


HALF TIME: CARDIFF CITY 2-0 HULL CITY


Hull started the second half well with a couple of corners

A very quiet second half with Cardiff happy with the two goal lead

Will Vaulks replaced Hoilett in the 63rd minute

Josh Murphy and Danny Ward replaced Mendez-Laing and Glatzel in the 72nd minute


GOAL: Danny Ward made it 3-0 in the 83rd minute :ayatollah:

Brad Smith and Callum Paterson replaced Joe Ralls and Lee Tomlin in the 84th minute


FULL TIME: CARDIFF CITY 3-0 HULL CITY

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:31 pm

Have to agree with this, I was as much against NH as I was Chris Coleman taking over Wales...I genuinely thought both appointments were disasters and I have been proven wrong on both occasions, I doth my cap to both (even that Jack tw*t!) ;-)

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:50 pm

londontaffia wrote:Have to agree with this, I was as much against NH as I was Chris Coleman taking over Wales...I genuinely thought both appointments were disasters and I have been proven wrong on both occasions, I doth my cap to both (even that Jack tw*t!) ;-)


I made that point exactly when he took over. Same with Giggs too.

Harris has done very well but I must admit I thought I was very wrong after the QPR game.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:03 pm

Very professional tonight. All Welsh play off final for the English[Premier League?

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:48 pm

He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:04 am

thomasblue wrote:He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.



Easy on the praise there :roll: you expected him to be shit,and we would be fighting relegation,what next? We should be praising neil warnock? ? Nearly everyone else who were, let's say less than impressed with his appointment,has given him praise,and admitted they have been proved wrong,why not you? Anyway for me personally ,he has changed my thoughts on him, even though I said upon his appointment, I would allow him time to shape his team,and style of play,but was not expecting him to turn the current squad around so quickly,and so far I have been impressed.even if we fail to get promoted,I think his tenure to date has already been a success, and long may it continue. :old: :bluebird:

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:20 am

maccydee wrote:
londontaffia wrote:Have to agree with this, I was as much against NH as I was Chris Coleman taking over Wales...I genuinely thought both appointments were disasters and I have been proven wrong on both occasions, I doth my cap to both (even that Jack tw*t!) ;-)


I made that point exactly when he took over. Same with Giggs too.

Harris has done very well but I must admit I thought I was very wrong after the QPR game.


I’m still picking up the teddy’s I threw out of the cot after the QPR game. :lol:

On a separate note mate, I’ve read a few of your posts and would I be right in thinking you’re based at Brize?

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:40 am

bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.



Easy on the praise there :roll: you expected him to be shit,and we would be fighting relegation,what next? We should be praising neil warnock? ? Nearly everyone else who were, let's say less than impressed with his appointment,has given him praise,and admitted they have been proved wrong,why not you? Anyway for me personally ,he has changed my thoughts on him, even though I said upon his appointment, I would allow him time to shape his team,and style of play,but was not expecting him to turn the current squad around so quickly,and so far I have been impressed.even if we fail to get promoted,I think his tenure to date has already been a success, and long may it continue. :old: :bluebird:


Why are you telling me what I should be doing ?

Who mentioned Neil Warnock?

I said in my post he has done well, but in reality he has only made the play offs which was the basic minimum for this squad as Dalman said a few months ago and he was right.
He has done well shaping the team and changing the style.

I did not expect us to get relegated even with him in charge, I actually argued anything other than top 6 would be a failure.

We have not won anything yet and praise will come depending on the way the play offs turn out . If he gets to the final he has exceeded expectations and deserves praise.

Simple as that

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:49 am

103 Barmy Army wrote:
maccydee wrote:
londontaffia wrote:Have to agree with this, I was as much against NH as I was Chris Coleman taking over Wales...I genuinely thought both appointments were disasters and I have been proven wrong on both occasions, I doth my cap to both (even that Jack tw*t!) ;-)


I made that point exactly when he took over. Same with Giggs too.

Harris has done very well but I must admit I thought I was very wrong after the QPR game.


I’m still picking up the teddy’s I threw out of the cot after the QPR game. :lol:

On a separate note mate, I’ve read a few of your posts and would I be right in thinking you’re based at Brize?


I am pal.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:50 am

thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.



Easy on the praise there :roll: you expected him to be shit,and we would be fighting relegation,what next? We should be praising neil warnock? ? Nearly everyone else who were, let's say less than impressed with his appointment,has given him praise,and admitted they have been proved wrong,why not you? Anyway for me personally ,he has changed my thoughts on him, even though I said upon his appointment, I would allow him time to shape his team,and style of play,but was not expecting him to turn the current squad around so quickly,and so far I have been impressed.even if we fail to get promoted,I think his tenure to date has already been a success, and long may it continue. :old: :bluebird:


Why are you telling me what I should be doing ?

Who mentioned Neil Warnock?

I said in my post he has done well, but in reality he has only made the play offs which was the basic minimum for this squad as Dalman said a few months ago and he was right.
He has done well shaping the team and changing the style.

I did not expect us to get relegated even with him in charge, I actually argued anything other than top 6 would be a failure.

We have not won anything yet and praise will come depending on the way the play offs turn out . If he gets to the final he has exceeded expectations and deserves praise.

Simple as that


Not many expected us to make the play offs. We can’t change the parameters based on the success achieved.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:02 am

maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.



Easy on the praise there :roll: you expected him to be shit,and we would be fighting relegation,what next? We should be praising neil warnock? ? Nearly everyone else who were, let's say less than impressed with his appointment,has given him praise,and admitted they have been proved wrong,why not you? Anyway for me personally ,he has changed my thoughts on him, even though I said upon his appointment, I would allow him time to shape his team,and style of play,but was not expecting him to turn the current squad around so quickly,and so far I have been impressed.even if we fail to get promoted,I think his tenure to date has already been a success, and long may it continue. :old: :bluebird:


Why are you telling me what I should be doing ?

Who mentioned Neil Warnock?

I said in my post he has done well, but in reality he has only made the play offs which was the basic minimum for this squad as Dalman said a few months ago and he was right.
He has done well shaping the team and changing the style.

I did not expect us to get relegated even with him in charge, I actually argued anything other than top 6 would be a failure.

We have not won anything yet and praise will come depending on the way the play offs turn out . If he gets to the final he has exceeded expectations and deserves praise.

Simple as that


Not many expected us to make the play offs. We can’t change the parameters based on the success achieved.


No but the point is , I did expect us to make the play offs . We have a very good squad .
My parameters have not changed in my mind . Play offs was the minimum now he can aim for success.

At the moment he has just done his job, but he has done a very good job whilst achieving our original goal.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:36 am

I was one of the dissenters upon NH appointment.

Happy to have been proven completely wrong and have apologised for my lack of faith in what has happened with the style of play and the commitment NH has instilled in the squad.

In Neil we trust.

Thank you sir.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:51 pm

I thought he’d be the new Shanks.. on course for global domination

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:26 pm

thomasblue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.



Easy on the praise there :roll: you expected him to be shit,and we would be fighting relegation,what next? We should be praising neil warnock? ? Nearly everyone else who were, let's say less than impressed with his appointment,has given him praise,and admitted they have been proved wrong,why not you? Anyway for me personally ,he has changed my thoughts on him, even though I said upon his appointment, I would allow him time to shape his team,and style of play,but was not expecting him to turn the current squad around so quickly,and so far I have been impressed.even if we fail to get promoted,I think his tenure to date has already been a success, and long may it continue. :old: :bluebird:


Why are you telling me what I should be doing ?

Who mentioned Neil Warnock?

I said in my post he has done well, but in reality he has only made the play offs which was the basic minimum for this squad as Dalman said a few months ago and he was right.
He has done well shaping the team and changing the style.

I did not expect us to get relegated even with him in charge, I actually argued anything other than top 6 would be a failure.

We have not won anything yet and praise will come depending on the way the play offs turn out . If he gets to the final he has exceeded expectations and deserves praise.

Simple as that


Not many expected us to make the play offs. We can’t change the parameters based on the success achieved.


No but the point is , I did expect us to make the play offs . We have a very good squad .
My parameters have not changed in my mind . Play offs was the minimum now he can aim for success.

At the moment he has just done his job, but he has done a very good job whilst achieving our original goal.


You can't have it all ways. You say that not finishing in the playoffs would have been a failure, we finished in the playoffs. The dictionary opposite of "failure" is "success", therefore he is a success even using your strange logic.

Not only has Harris achieved that goal but he hasn't done it the easy way. The easy way would have been to use the players that he inherited in the same style and hope that something clicked, just as Warnock appeared to be doing just before he left. But no, he has actually turned us into a team that poses a threat and actively seeks turnover ball e.g. 2 goals against Leeds, Hoilett last night, Tomlin against Derby, Murphy last game, etc.

To further demonstrate the changes, I loved Warnock whilst he was here but we all know that last night would have been a dour 0-0 where we just do enough under him. Yet Harris had the team right at it from the first minute and it was done and dusted by half time.

We may well not get promoted via the playoffs, but none of the others will be looking forward to playing us (probably for the first time we are the form team going into it) and even if we fail I'm looking forward to seeing this team and style next season.

I don't think the improvement/success is just down to finishing in the play-offs and I am so happy that Harris has completely proved me wrong too :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:51 pm

Very happy to be one of the few who was actually happy with Neil Harris being appointed as I thought he did a good job at Milwall and was somewhat underrated for the job he did there.Two playoff finals one promotion and a run at the playoffs the following season all on thin resources. Thought he would do a good job for us and he has. Glad to say I was right and the dissenters were wrong.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:33 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.



Easy on the praise there :roll: you expected him to be shit,and we would be fighting relegation,what next? We should be praising neil warnock? ? Nearly everyone else who were, let's say less than impressed with his appointment,has given him praise,and admitted they have been proved wrong,why not you? Anyway for me personally ,he has changed my thoughts on him, even though I said upon his appointment, I would allow him time to shape his team,and style of play,but was not expecting him to turn the current squad around so quickly,and so far I have been impressed.even if we fail to get promoted,I think his tenure to date has already been a success, and long may it continue. :old: :bluebird:


Why are you telling me what I should be doing ?

Who mentioned Neil Warnock?

I said in my post he has done well, but in reality he has only made the play offs which was the basic minimum for this squad as Dalman said a few months ago and he was right.
He has done well shaping the team and changing the style.

I did not expect us to get relegated even with him in charge, I actually argued anything other than top 6 would be a failure.

We have not won anything yet and praise will come depending on the way the play offs turn out . If he gets to the final he has exceeded expectations and deserves praise.

Simple as that


Not many expected us to make the play offs. We can’t change the parameters based on the success achieved.


No but the point is , I did expect us to make the play offs . We have a very good squad .
My parameters have not changed in my mind . Play offs was the minimum now he can aim for success.

At the moment he has just done his job, but he has done a very good job whilst achieving our original goal.


You can't have it all ways. You say that not finishing in the playoffs would have been a failure, we finished in the playoffs. The dictionary opposite of "failure" is "success", therefore he is a success even using your strange logic.

Not only has Harris achieved that goal but he hasn't done it the easy way. The easy way would have been to use the players that he inherited in the same style and hope that something clicked, just as Warnock appeared to be doing just before he left. But no, he has actually turned us into a team that poses a threat and actively seeks turnover ball e.g. 2 goals against Leeds, Hoilett last night, Tomlin against Derby, Murphy last game, etc.

To further demonstrate the changes, I loved Warnock whilst he was here but we all know that last night would have been a dour 0-0 where we just do enough under him. Yet Harris had the team right at it from the first minute and it was done and dusted by half time.

We may well not get promoted via the playoffs, but none of the others will be looking forward to playing us (probably for the first time we are the form team going into it) and even if we fail I'm looking forward to seeing this team and style next season.

I don't think the improvement/success is just down to finishing in the play-offs and I am so happy that Harris has completely proved me wrong too :ayatollah: :bluescarf:



But he has not succeeded in doing anything other than his job at the moment.

He has done well to adjust the way the team play i will give him that and the fact he has turned the fans on his side. In fact he's been brilliant aa a manager but he had goals set when he took over and his minimum was play offs as Dalman said.

He has not achieved anything other than his basic goal sobi will hold my praise until the season is over. His work starts now with the play offs. This is where he proves himself and earns praise.

If we had finished 7th he would have failed.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:45 pm

thomasblue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.



Easy on the praise there :roll: you expected him to be shit,and we would be fighting relegation,what next? We should be praising neil warnock? ? Nearly everyone else who were, let's say less than impressed with his appointment,has given him praise,and admitted they have been proved wrong,why not you? Anyway for me personally ,he has changed my thoughts on him, even though I said upon his appointment, I would allow him time to shape his team,and style of play,but was not expecting him to turn the current squad around so quickly,and so far I have been impressed.even if we fail to get promoted,I think his tenure to date has already been a success, and long may it continue. :old: :bluebird:


Why are you telling me what I should be doing ?

Who mentioned Neil Warnock?

I said in my post he has done well, but in reality he has only made the play offs which was the basic minimum for this squad as Dalman said a few months ago and he was right.
He has done well shaping the team and changing the style.

I did not expect us to get relegated even with him in charge, I actually argued anything other than top 6 would be a failure.

We have not won anything yet and praise will come depending on the way the play offs turn out . If he gets to the final he has exceeded expectations and deserves praise.

Simple as that


Not many expected us to make the play offs. We can’t change the parameters based on the success achieved.


No but the point is , I did expect us to make the play offs . We have a very good squad .
My parameters have not changed in my mind . Play offs was the minimum now he can aim for success.

At the moment he has just done his job, but he has done a very good job whilst achieving our original goal.


You can't have it all ways. You say that not finishing in the playoffs would have been a failure, we finished in the playoffs. The dictionary opposite of "failure" is "success", therefore he is a success even using your strange logic.

Not only has Harris achieved that goal but he hasn't done it the easy way. The easy way would have been to use the players that he inherited in the same style and hope that something clicked, just as Warnock appeared to be doing just before he left. But no, he has actually turned us into a team that poses a threat and actively seeks turnover ball e.g. 2 goals against Leeds, Hoilett last night, Tomlin against Derby, Murphy last game, etc.

To further demonstrate the changes, I loved Warnock whilst he was here but we all know that last night would have been a dour 0-0 where we just do enough under him. Yet Harris had the team right at it from the first minute and it was done and dusted by half time.

We may well not get promoted via the playoffs, but none of the others will be looking forward to playing us (probably for the first time we are the form team going into it) and even if we fail I'm looking forward to seeing this team and style next season.

I don't think the improvement/success is just down to finishing in the play-offs and I am so happy that Harris has completely proved me wrong too :ayatollah: :bluescarf:



But he has not succeeded in doing anything other than his job at the moment.

He has done well to adjust the way the team play i will give him that and the fact he has turned the fans on his side. In fact he's been brilliant aa a manager but he had goals set when he took over and his minimum was play offs as Dalman said.

He has not achieved anything other than his basic goal sobi will hold my praise until the season is over. His work starts now with the play offs. This is where he proves himself and earns praise.

If we had finished 7th he would have failed.


Absolute nonsense :banghead: By your own admission he has achieved what he set out to do, and was charged with doing, therefore he has succeeded :roll: You can't dress that up any other way.

Nobody in their right mind would regard what he has achieved so far as anything other than a success. If he were to do the unthinkable and get us up I would suggest that over the season that would be an even greater achievement than Warnock or Mackay because of where we were when he took us over 3 months into the season and with only one transfer window to play with.

Come on, many of us didn't rate the appointment but he couldn't have done any more than he has done and therefore deserves the plaudits right now.

If we fail to go up then he will be judged over the course of next season, such is the game of football.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:37 pm

I hold my hands up and admit he's proved me wrong and since the lockdown the football we have been playing has been a joy to watch. I'd forgotten what it was like to watch football like we're playing at the moment

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:02 pm

thomasblue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.



Easy on the praise there :roll: you expected him to be shit,and we would be fighting relegation,what next? We should be praising neil warnock? ? Nearly everyone else who were, let's say less than impressed with his appointment,has given him praise,and admitted they have been proved wrong,why not you? Anyway for me personally ,he has changed my thoughts on him, even though I said upon his appointment, I would allow him time to shape his team,and style of play,but was not expecting him to turn the current squad around so quickly,and so far I have been impressed.even if we fail to get promoted,I think his tenure to date has already been a success, and long may it continue. :old: :bluebird:


Why are you telling me what I should be doing ?

Who mentioned Neil Warnock?

I said in my post he has done well, but in reality he has only made the play offs which was the basic minimum for this squad as Dalman said a few months ago and he was right.
He has done well shaping the team and changing the style.

I did not expect us to get relegated even with him in charge, I actually argued anything other than top 6 would be a failure.

We have not won anything yet and praise will come depending on the way the play offs turn out . If he gets to the final he has exceeded expectations and deserves praise.

Simple as that


Not many expected us to make the play offs. We can’t change the parameters based on the success achieved.


No but the point is , I did expect us to make the play offs . We have a very good squad .
My parameters have not changed in my mind . Play offs was the minimum now he can aim for success.

At the moment he has just done his job, but he has done a very good job whilst achieving our original goal.


You can't have it all ways. You say that not finishing in the playoffs would have been a failure, we finished in the playoffs. The dictionary opposite of "failure" is "success", therefore he is a success even using your strange logic.

Not only has Harris achieved that goal but he hasn't done it the easy way. The easy way would have been to use the players that he inherited in the same style and hope that something clicked, just as Warnock appeared to be doing just before he left. But no, he has actually turned us into a team that poses a threat and actively seeks turnover ball e.g. 2 goals against Leeds, Hoilett last night, Tomlin against Derby, Murphy last game, etc.

To further demonstrate the changes, I loved Warnock whilst he was here but we all know that last night would have been a dour 0-0 where we just do enough under him. Yet Harris had the team right at it from the first minute and it was done and dusted by half time.

We may well not get promoted via the playoffs, but none of the others will be looking forward to playing us (probably for the first time we are the form team going into it) and even if we fail I'm looking forward to seeing this team and style next season.

I don't think the improvement/success is just down to finishing in the play-offs and I am so happy that Harris has completely proved me wrong too :ayatollah: :bluescarf:



But he has not succeeded in doing anything other than his job at the moment.

He has done well to adjust the way the team play i will give him that and the fact he has turned the fans on his side. In fact he's been brilliant aa a manager but he had goals set when he took over and his minimum was play offs as Dalman said.

He has not achieved anything other than his basic goal sobi will hold my praise until the season is over. His work starts now with the play offs. This is where he proves himself and earns praise.

If we had finished 7th he would have failed.


If you watched and heard his interview last week he stated his remit (board expectation) was not to guarantee a play off place but was to give it his best shot. Well he has succeeded and playing a far more attractive style of football with goals coming from all over the pitch. I for one was prepared to give him a chance before forming an opinion unlike the majority who formed their opinion before giving him a chance.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:05 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.



Easy on the praise there :roll: you expected him to be shit,and we would be fighting relegation,what next? We should be praising neil warnock? ? Nearly everyone else who were, let's say less than impressed with his appointment,has given him praise,and admitted they have been proved wrong,why not you? Anyway for me personally ,he has changed my thoughts on him, even though I said upon his appointment, I would allow him time to shape his team,and style of play,but was not expecting him to turn the current squad around so quickly,and so far I have been impressed.even if we fail to get promoted,I think his tenure to date has already been a success, and long may it continue. :old: :bluebird:


Why are you telling me what I should be doing ?

Who mentioned Neil Warnock?

I said in my post he has done well, but in reality he has only made the play offs which was the basic minimum for this squad as Dalman said a few months ago and he was right.
He has done well shaping the team and changing the style.

I did not expect us to get relegated even with him in charge, I actually argued anything other than top 6 would be a failure.

We have not won anything yet and praise will come depending on the way the play offs turn out . If he gets to the final he has exceeded expectations and deserves praise.

Simple as that


Not many expected us to make the play offs. We can’t change the parameters based on the success achieved.


No but the point is , I did expect us to make the play offs . We have a very good squad .
My parameters have not changed in my mind . Play offs was the minimum now he can aim for success.

At the moment he has just done his job, but he has done a very good job whilst achieving our original goal.


You can't have it all ways. You say that not finishing in the playoffs would have been a failure, we finished in the playoffs. The dictionary opposite of "failure" is "success", therefore he is a success even using your strange logic.

Not only has Harris achieved that goal but he hasn't done it the easy way. The easy way would have been to use the players that he inherited in the same style and hope that something clicked, just as Warnock appeared to be doing just before he left. But no, he has actually turned us into a team that poses a threat and actively seeks turnover ball e.g. 2 goals against Leeds, Hoilett last night, Tomlin against Derby, Murphy last game, etc.

To further demonstrate the changes, I loved Warnock whilst he was here but we all know that last night would have been a dour 0-0 where we just do enough under him. Yet Harris had the team right at it from the first minute and it was done and dusted by half time.

We may well not get promoted via the playoffs, but none of the others will be looking forward to playing us (probably for the first time we are the form team going into it) and even if we fail I'm looking forward to seeing this team and style next season.

I don't think the improvement/success is just down to finishing in the play-offs and I am so happy that Harris has completely proved me wrong too :ayatollah: :bluescarf:



But he has not succeeded in doing anything other than his job at the moment.

He has done well to adjust the way the team play i will give him that and the fact he has turned the fans on his side. In fact he's been brilliant aa a manager but he had goals set when he took over and his minimum was play offs as Dalman said.

He has not achieved anything other than his basic goal sobi will hold my praise until the season is over. His work starts now with the play offs. This is where he proves himself and earns praise.

If we had finished 7th he would have failed.


Absolute nonsense :banghead: By your own admission he has achieved what he set out to do, and was charged with doing, therefore he has succeeded :roll: You can't dress that up any other way.

Nobody in their right mind would regard what he has achieved so far as anything other than a success. If he were to do the unthinkable and get us up I would suggest that over the season that would be an even greater achievement than Warnock or Mackay because of where we were when he took us over 3 months into the season and with only one transfer window to play with.

Come on, many of us didn't rate the appointment but he couldn't have done any more than he has done and therefore deserves the plaudits right now.

If we fail to go up then he will be judged over the course of next season, such is the game of football.


Like I said , all he has done is his job.
Do you praise the bar staff at the ground for getting you a pint ?
No , you thank them and move on but if they tell you about a offer you didnt know about and make the round cheaper then help you carry the beers over to a table then you praise them for doing more than expected.

At the end of the day its his job and he's done the minimum so far. Yes he has done it well but come on he hasn't exactly been exceptional and a lot of his team selections and tactics are questionable.
Personally I think a better manager could have got top 2 with this squad.

I will reserve my praise for when he gets us to the final

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:13 pm

"It's a huge achievement," said Cardiff boss Harris, who succeeded Neil Warnock in November when Cardiff were 14th in the table.
"Every bit of praise for the players and the staff has been earned.

"I came in as not a huge name and I had to prove myself, every week.

"The play-off (semi-finals) are about four halves of football and you need momentum."

Cardiff are the form team in the play-offs having finished with wins over Derby, Middlesbrough and Hull.

The Bluebirds will meet Fulham, the first leg in the Welsh capital on Monday, while bitter rivals Swansea will play Brentford.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:19 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.



Easy on the praise there :roll: you expected him to be shit,and we would be fighting relegation,what next? We should be praising neil warnock? ? Nearly everyone else who were, let's say less than impressed with his appointment,has given him praise,and admitted they have been proved wrong,why not you? Anyway for me personally ,he has changed my thoughts on him, even though I said upon his appointment, I would allow him time to shape his team,and style of play,but was not expecting him to turn the current squad around so quickly,and so far I have been impressed.even if we fail to get promoted,I think his tenure to date has already been a success, and long may it continue. :old: :bluebird:


Why are you telling me what I should be doing ?

Who mentioned Neil Warnock?

I said in my post he has done well, but in reality he has only made the play offs which was the basic minimum for this squad as Dalman said a few months ago and he was right.
He has done well shaping the team and changing the style.

I did not expect us to get relegated even with him in charge, I actually argued anything other than top 6 would be a failure.

We have not won anything yet and praise will come depending on the way the play offs turn out . If he gets to the final he has exceeded expectations and deserves praise.

Simple as that


Not many expected us to make the play offs. We can’t change the parameters based on the success achieved.


No but the point is , I did expect us to make the play offs . We have a very good squad .
My parameters have not changed in my mind . Play offs was the minimum now he can aim for success.

At the moment he has just done his job, but he has done a very good job whilst achieving our original goal.


You can't have it all ways. You say that not finishing in the playoffs would have been a failure, we finished in the playoffs. The dictionary opposite of "failure" is "success", therefore he is a success even using your strange logic.

Not only has Harris achieved that goal but he hasn't done it the easy way. The easy way would have been to use the players that he inherited in the same style and hope that something clicked, just as Warnock appeared to be doing just before he left. But no, he has actually turned us into a team that poses a threat and actively seeks turnover ball e.g. 2 goals against Leeds, Hoilett last night, Tomlin against Derby, Murphy last game, etc.

To further demonstrate the changes, I loved Warnock whilst he was here but we all know that last night would have been a dour 0-0 where we just do enough under him. Yet Harris had the team right at it from the first minute and it was done and dusted by half time.

We may well not get promoted via the playoffs, but none of the others will be looking forward to playing us (probably for the first time we are the form team going into it) and even if we fail I'm looking forward to seeing this team and style next season.

I don't think the improvement/success is just down to finishing in the play-offs and I am so happy that Harris has completely proved me wrong too :ayatollah: :bluescarf:



But he has not succeeded in doing anything other than his job at the moment.

He has done well to adjust the way the team play i will give him that and the fact he has turned the fans on his side. In fact he's been brilliant aa a manager but he had goals set when he took over and his minimum was play offs as Dalman said.

He has not achieved anything other than his basic goal sobi will hold my praise until the season is over. His work starts now with the play offs. This is where he proves himself and earns praise.

If we had finished 7th he would have failed.


Absolute nonsense :banghead: By your own admission he has achieved what he set out to do, and was charged with doing, therefore he has succeeded :roll: You can't dress that up any other way.

Nobody in their right mind would regard what he has achieved so far as anything other than a success. If he were to do the unthinkable and get us up I would suggest that over the season that would be an even greater achievement than Warnock or Mackay because of where we were when he took us over 3 months into the season and with only one transfer window to play with.

Come on, many of us didn't rate the appointment but he couldn't have done any more than he has done and therefore deserves the plaudits right now.

If we fail to go up then he will be judged over the course of next season, such is the game of football.



This is the person who only two weeks ago called it hoofball in here! And at moment cannot say anything positive about city especially way we play :roll:

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:44 pm

The Bluebirds will meet Fulham, the first leg in the Welsh capital on Monday, while bitter rivals Swansea will play Brentford.

"The message is clear," said the Eastwood based Harris who finished his playing career at Southend United.

"We get into the play-offs when everyone else is on holiday and that's to win. No other reason.

"There is a bit of pressure on us, bit there is huge pressure on Fulham. We will go and enjoy it.

"I have been through six, four as a player and two as manager and I love it. It's the best way to get promoted."

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:38 pm

maccydee wrote:
103 Barmy Army wrote:
maccydee wrote:
londontaffia wrote:Have to agree with this, I was as much against NH as I was Chris Coleman taking over Wales...I genuinely thought both appointments were disasters and I have been proven wrong on both occasions, I doth my cap to both (even that Jack tw*t!) ;-)


I made that point exactly when he took over. Same with Giggs too.

Harris has done very well but I must admit I thought I was very wrong after the QPR game.


I’m still picking up the teddy’s I threw out of the cot after the QPR game. :lol:

On a separate note mate, I’ve read a few of your posts and would I be right in thinking you’re based at Brize?


I am pal.



What trade are you? I’m in the Regiment myself based back in sunny Wales.

Great news on the pension going back to the 75 scheme for those eligible, I’m thinking of buying Tan out next year. :lol:

My daughter is looking to joking as a Mover next year some time.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:44 pm

Crayfish wrote:Very happy to be one of the few who was actually happy with Neil Harris being appointed as I thought he did a good job at Milwall and was somewhat underrated for the job he did there.Two playoff finals one promotion and a run at the playoffs the following season all on thin resources. Thought he would do a good job for us and he has. Glad to say I was right and the dissenters were wrong.


:thumbup:

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:20 am

103 Barmy Army wrote:
maccydee wrote:
103 Barmy Army wrote:
maccydee wrote:
londontaffia wrote:Have to agree with this, I was as much against NH as I was Chris Coleman taking over Wales...I genuinely thought both appointments were disasters and I have been proven wrong on both occasions, I doth my cap to both (even that Jack tw*t!) ;-)


I made that point exactly when he took over. Same with Giggs too.

Harris has done very well but I must admit I thought I was very wrong after the QPR game.


I’m still picking up the teddy’s I threw out of the cot after the QPR game. :lol:

On a separate note mate, I’ve read a few of your posts and would I be right in thinking you’re based at Brize?


I am pal.



What trade are you? I’m in the Regiment myself based back in sunny Wales.

Great news on the pension going back to the 75 scheme for those eligible, I’m thinking of buying Tan out next year. :lol:

My daughter is looking to joking as a Mover next year some time.


Air traffic control mate. Big regiment presence here.

I know a few movers here if she wants to come have a look before she joins.

Yeah very good news.
Always wonder if they have something up their sleeve though.

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:26 am

pembroke allan wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.



Easy on the praise there :roll: you expected him to be shit,and we would be fighting relegation,what next? We should be praising neil warnock? ? Nearly everyone else who were, let's say less than impressed with his appointment,has given him praise,and admitted they have been proved wrong,why not you? Anyway for me personally ,he has changed my thoughts on him, even though I said upon his appointment, I would allow him time to shape his team,and style of play,but was not expecting him to turn the current squad around so quickly,and so far I have been impressed.even if we fail to get promoted,I think his tenure to date has already been a success, and long may it continue. :old: :bluebird:


Why are you telling me what I should be doing ?

Who mentioned Neil Warnock?

I said in my post he has done well, but in reality he has only made the play offs which was the basic minimum for this squad as Dalman said a few months ago and he was right.
He has done well shaping the team and changing the style.

I did not expect us to get relegated even with him in charge, I actually argued anything other than top 6 would be a failure.

We have not won anything yet and praise will come depending on the way the play offs turn out . If he gets to the final he has exceeded expectations and deserves praise.

Simple as that


Not many expected us to make the play offs. We can’t change the parameters based on the success achieved.


No but the point is , I did expect us to make the play offs . We have a very good squad .
My parameters have not changed in my mind . Play offs was the minimum now he can aim for success.

At the moment he has just done his job, but he has done a very good job whilst achieving our original goal.


You can't have it all ways. You say that not finishing in the playoffs would have been a failure, we finished in the playoffs. The dictionary opposite of "failure" is "success", therefore he is a success even using your strange logic.

Not only has Harris achieved that goal but he hasn't done it the easy way. The easy way would have been to use the players that he inherited in the same style and hope that something clicked, just as Warnock appeared to be doing just before he left. But no, he has actually turned us into a team that poses a threat and actively seeks turnover ball e.g. 2 goals against Leeds, Hoilett last night, Tomlin against Derby, Murphy last game, etc.

To further demonstrate the changes, I loved Warnock whilst he was here but we all know that last night would have been a dour 0-0 where we just do enough under him. Yet Harris had the team right at it from the first minute and it was done and dusted by half time.

We may well not get promoted via the playoffs, but none of the others will be looking forward to playing us (probably for the first time we are the form team going into it) and even if we fail I'm looking forward to seeing this team and style next season.

I don't think the improvement/success is just down to finishing in the play-offs and I am so happy that Harris has completely proved me wrong too :ayatollah: :bluescarf:



But he has not succeeded in doing anything other than his job at the moment.

He has done well to adjust the way the team play i will give him that and the fact he has turned the fans on his side. In fact he's been brilliant aa a manager but he had goals set when he took over and his minimum was play offs as Dalman said.

He has not achieved anything other than his basic goal sobi will hold my praise until the season is over. His work starts now with the play offs. This is where he proves himself and earns praise.

If we had finished 7th he would have failed.


Absolute nonsense :banghead: By your own admission he has achieved what he set out to do, and was charged with doing, therefore he has succeeded :roll: You can't dress that up any other way.

Nobody in their right mind would regard what he has achieved so far as anything other than a success. If he were to do the unthinkable and get us up I would suggest that over the season that would be an even greater achievement than Warnock or Mackay because of where we were when he took us over 3 months into the season and with only one transfer window to play with.

Come on, many of us didn't rate the appointment but he couldn't have done any more than he has done and therefore deserves the plaudits right now.

If we fail to go up then he will be judged over the course of next season, such is the game of football.



This is the person who only two weeks ago called it hoofball in here! And at moment cannot say anything positive about city especially way we play :roll:


My whole post has been positive

I have said they have done well
I have said play has improved
I have said Harris is proving people wrong
I only said it's hoofball when Patterson plays which is true so stop twisting things

The only thing I'm saying which most people dont seem to get is that we have not achieved anything and all Harris has done is get us the minimum goal this season.

Marlon pack agrees with me reading his interview

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:16 pm

thomasblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:He has done better than I expected but the squad Was always good enough for top 6 . It just took somebody to piece them back together after relegation which Harris has succeeded in doing.

I think success for him will be making the final at the moment he has just done his job well . Making play offs was a minimum really with this group of players . Everything from now on is a bonus and will show how good a manager he is.



Easy on the praise there :roll: you expected him to be shit,and we would be fighting relegation,what next? We should be praising neil warnock? ? Nearly everyone else who were, let's say less than impressed with his appointment,has given him praise,and admitted they have been proved wrong,why not you? Anyway for me personally ,he has changed my thoughts on him, even though I said upon his appointment, I would allow him time to shape his team,and style of play,but was not expecting him to turn the current squad around so quickly,and so far I have been impressed.even if we fail to get promoted,I think his tenure to date has already been a success, and long may it continue. :old: :bluebird:


Why are you telling me what I should be doing ?

Who mentioned Neil Warnock?

I said in my post he has done well, but in reality he has only made the play offs which was the basic minimum for this squad as Dalman said a few months ago and he was right.
He has done well shaping the team and changing the style.

I did not expect us to get relegated even with him in charge, I actually argued anything other than top 6 would be a failure.

We have not won anything yet and praise will come depending on the way the play offs turn out . If he gets to the final he has exceeded expectations and deserves praise.

Simple as that


Not many expected us to make the play offs. We can’t change the parameters based on the success achieved.


No but the point is , I did expect us to make the play offs . We have a very good squad .
My parameters have not changed in my mind . Play offs was the minimum now he can aim for success.

At the moment he has just done his job, but he has done a very good job whilst achieving our original goal.


You can't have it all ways. You say that not finishing in the playoffs would have been a failure, we finished in the playoffs. The dictionary opposite of "failure" is "success", therefore he is a success even using your strange logic.

Not only has Harris achieved that goal but he hasn't done it the easy way. The easy way would have been to use the players that he inherited in the same style and hope that something clicked, just as Warnock appeared to be doing just before he left. But no, he has actually turned us into a team that poses a threat and actively seeks turnover ball e.g. 2 goals against Leeds, Hoilett last night, Tomlin against Derby, Murphy last game, etc.

To further demonstrate the changes, I loved Warnock whilst he was here but we all know that last night would have been a dour 0-0 where we just do enough under him. Yet Harris had the team right at it from the first minute and it was done and dusted by half time.

We may well not get promoted via the playoffs, but none of the others will be looking forward to playing us (probably for the first time we are the form team going into it) and even if we fail I'm looking forward to seeing this team and style next season.

I don't think the improvement/success is just down to finishing in the play-offs and I am so happy that Harris has completely proved me wrong too :ayatollah: :bluescarf:



But he has not succeeded in doing anything other than his job at the moment.

He has done well to adjust the way the team play i will give him that and the fact he has turned the fans on his side. In fact he's been brilliant aa a manager but he had goals set when he took over and his minimum was play offs as Dalman said.

He has not achieved anything other than his basic goal sobi will hold my praise until the season is over. His work starts now with the play offs. This is where he proves himself and earns praise.

If we had finished 7th he would have failed.


Absolute nonsense :banghead: By your own admission he has achieved what he set out to do, and was charged with doing, therefore he has succeeded :roll: You can't dress that up any other way.

Nobody in their right mind would regard what he has achieved so far as anything other than a success. If he were to do the unthinkable and get us up I would suggest that over the season that would be an even greater achievement than Warnock or Mackay because of where we were when he took us over 3 months into the season and with only one transfer window to play with.

Come on, many of us didn't rate the appointment but he couldn't have done any more than he has done and therefore deserves the plaudits right now.

If we fail to go up then he will be judged over the course of next season, such is the game of football.



This is the person who only two weeks ago called it hoofball in here! And at moment cannot say anything positive about city especially way we play :roll:


My whole post has been positive

I have said they have done well
I have said play has improved
I have said Harris is proving people wrong
I only said it's hoofball when Patterson plays which is true so stop twisting things

The only thing I'm saying which most people dont seem to get is that we have not achieved anything and all Harris has done is get us the minimum goal this season.

Marlon pack agrees with me reading his interview



Your last but one sentence sums it up "most people don't seem to get" yes most,except you and Marlon pack that is! :laughing5: :old: :bluebird:

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:41 pm

Why did you come to Cardiff? - Neil Harris -

"I wanted to challenge myself, the next step. Coming to the Welsh capital, a big club like Cardiff, I knew the passion here.

"I knew the demand of the fan base. The squad, I wanted to work with them, some good players.

"I thought there was a potential to be successful, to come here, win games.

"It was a good fit for me. Have I found what I wanted? I’m finding it. It’s a work-in-progress.

"I’m enjoying it, thoroughly enjoying it.

"Successful over the next three games or not successful over the next three games, I’m still massively looking forward to next season, whatever division we are in."

Re: MY VIEW " NEIL HARRIS HAS PROVED MANY WRONG AND NOW "

Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:55 pm

Neil Harris has gladly proved me wrong without a doubt :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird: