Boris and farage battered you

Labour got hammered in the election because of comrade Corbyn ,farage spearhead Brexit through ,and now the left are trying the Russian meddling in the Brexit and election ,you couldn't make it up,YOU LOST GET OVER IT ,you have a vote and who ever wins are the rules.

How's the government's 'Brexit contract with the people' going? https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status ... 19200?s=20
Seems to be a fail in every box.

Brexit has cost the UK more than we've ever put in already. No US trade deal, no EU trade deal. A 27 acre lorry park (1 of about 12) in Kent. Support for Scottish, Welsh, and Irish independence is higher than ever. Food and medicine shortages, majority of businesses unprepared.
You're right, you are a real winner here.
Just say you hate Britain and be done with it.

give it half an hour for him to research Femis views on this , as he hasnt any of his own. .and no doubt Josh will be along to respond...

How's the government's 'Brexit contract with the people' going? https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status ... 19200?s=20
Seems to be a fail in every box.

Brexit has cost the UK more than we've ever put in already. No US trade deal, no EU trade deal. A 27 acre lorry park (1 of about 12) in Kent. Support for Scottish, Welsh, and Irish independence is higher than ever. Food and medicine shortages, majority of businesses unprepared.
You're right, you are a real winner here.
Just say you hate Britain and be done with it.

beat me to it. have you got Femi on speed dial ?

Labour party said nothing at the time of the Salisbury poisonings, in fact they demanded irrefutable evidence that it was the Russians. Now they are blaming the government for not doing more.
Is it any surprise? As Corbyn and many of the labour party have been supporting and receiving financial incentives from the Russians for decades.

Captain hindsight (Keir Starmer) said nothing before, and now he wants answers - when it suits him he wants answers.

If the Russians helped anybody it was certainly not the Tory government.
Remember It was Corbyn who waved (anti Boris) hacked and fake news documents about, just before the last election. Documents that have been shown to have come from Russia. So the only people receiving Russian help were the labour party.

Of course there is no USA trade deal or any other, officially, as we are not allowed to sign up to them until after we have left the EU.
There is no trade deal with the EU as they are demanding we continue to financially prop them up, they can continue stealing our fish and eventually destroy all the fish stocks in Northern Europe, we abide by their rules and laws despite being an independent country (not part of a failed European federal state) and we pay for their future financial, economic, security and political collapse, which is surely coming.

Why would any sane person or independent minded government sign up to that type of deal with the EU?

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Reds under the bed.

Of course there is no USA trade deal or any other, officially, as we are not allowed to sign up to them until after we have left the EU.
There is no trade deal with the EU as they are demanding we continue to financially prop them up, they can continue stealing our fish and eventually destroy all the fish stocks in Northern Europe, we abide by their rules and laws despite being an independent country (not part of a failed European federal state) and we pay for their future financial, economic, security and political collapse, which is surely coming

Easiest trade deal in history
I wouldn't worry about fish stocks, we won't have a fishing industry soon

How's the government's 'Brexit contract with the people' going? https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status ... 19200?s=20
Seems to be a fail in every box.

Brexit has cost the UK more than we've ever put in already. No US trade deal, no EU trade deal. A 27 acre lorry park (1 of about 12) in Kent. Support for Scottish, Welsh, and Irish independence is higher than ever. Food and medicine shortages, majority of businesses unprepared.
You're right, you are a real winner here.
Just say you hate Britain and be done with it.

i dont think even you believe any of that...

Of course there is no USA trade deal or any other, officially, as we are not allowed to sign up to them until after we have left the EU.
There is no trade deal with the EU as they are demanding we continue to financially prop them up, they can continue stealing our fish and eventually destroy all the fish stocks in Northern Europe, we abide by their rules and laws despite being an independent country (not part of a failed European federal state) and we pay for their future financial, economic, security and political collapse, which is surely coming

Easiest trade deal in history
I wouldn't worry about fish stocks, we won't have a fishing industry soon

We won't have a fishing industry if we continue to allow the EU to plunder it. They need the fish, as we hold over 40% of EU stocks in UK waters. The percentage is also increasing.

It should be an easy deal to agree as we already have all of the shared components in place. But Boris very naively thought he could trust the Europeans which yet again (as throughout history) has proven to be a bad move, especially when the French are involved.

Labour party said nothing at the time of the Salisbury poisonings, in fact they demanded irrefutable evidence that it was the Russians. Now they are blaming the government for not doing more.
Is it any surprise? As Corbyn and many of the labour party have been supporting and receiving financial incentives from the Russians for decades.

Captain hindsight (Keir Starmer) said nothing before, and now he wants answers - when it suits him he wants answers.

If the Russians helped anybody it was certainly not the Tory government.
Remember It was Corbyn who waved (anti Boris) hacked and fake news documents about, just before the last election. Documents that have been shown to have come from Russia. So the only people receiving Russian help were the labour party.

' in fact they demanded irrefutable evidence that it was the Russians.' A) Why is that bad. B) They got evidence and did blame the russians. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror ... 312716.amp

'As Corbyn and many of the labour party have been supporting and receiving financial incentives from the Russians for decades.' Wait until you hear about the £4million + the Tories have been given, including from Boris' friend (as he himself said) the former arms tycoon Alexander Temerko.

'Captain hindsight (Keir Starmer) said nothing before, and now he wants answers - when it suits him he wants answers.' Maybe because he's party leader now????

'Remember It was Corbyn who waved (anti Boris) hacked and fake news documents about'. If they were fake then surely it doesn't matter where it comes from???

How's the government's 'Brexit contract with the people' going? https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status ... 19200?s=20
Seems to be a fail in every box.

Brexit has cost the UK more than we've ever put in already. No US trade deal, no EU trade deal. A 27 acre lorry park (1 of about 12) in Kent. Support for Scottish, Welsh, and Irish independence is higher than ever. Food and medicine shortages, majority of businesses unprepared.
You're right, you are a real winner here.
Just say you hate Britain and be done with it.

i dont think even you believe any of that...

Well just show the evidence it's fake. (Maybe you can reply to the video whilst you're researching)

Of course there is no USA trade deal or any other, officially, as we are not allowed to sign up to them until after we have left the EU.
There is no trade deal with the EU as they are demanding we continue to financially prop them up, they can continue stealing our fish and eventually destroy all the fish stocks in Northern Europe, we abide by their rules and laws despite being an independent country (not part of a failed European federal state) and we pay for their future financial, economic, security and political collapse, which is surely coming

Easiest trade deal in history
I wouldn't worry about fish stocks, we won't have a fishing industry soon

We won't have a fishing industry if we continue to allow the EU to plunder it. They need the fish, as we hold over 40% of EU stocks in UK waters. The percentage is also increasing.

It should be an easy deal to agree as we already have all of the shared components in place. But Boris very naively thought he could trust the Europeans which yet again (as throughout history) has proven to be a bad move, especially when the French are involved.

I'm sure lorries full of rotting fish stuck in the Kent car park will keep our businesses afloat.

f**k off blaming the Europeans. This is your mess.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
Vote Tory, get incompetence.

Easy to see why your lot lost.. anxious negativity, throw the towel in, mither at the first sign of bother, devoid of ideas. Who wants a slice of that tarte aux pomme!

So what EU law are Brexiteers on here most looking forward to getting rid of then?

Of course there is no USA trade deal or any other, officially, as we are not allowed to sign up to them until after we have left the EU.
There is no trade deal with the EU as they are demanding we continue to financially prop them up, they can continue stealing our fish and eventually destroy all the fish stocks in Northern Europe, we abide by their rules and laws despite being an independent country (not part of a failed European federal state) and we pay for their future financial, economic, security and political collapse, which is surely coming

Easiest trade deal in history
I wouldn't worry about fish stocks, we won't have a fishing industry soon

We won't have a fishing industry if we continue to allow the EU to plunder it. They need the fish, as we hold over 40% of EU stocks in UK waters. The percentage is also increasing.

It should be an easy deal to agree as we already have all of the shared components in place. But Boris very naively thought he could trust the Europeans which yet again (as throughout history) has proven to be a bad move, especially when the French are involved.

I'm sure lorries full of rotting fish stuck in the Kent car park will keep our businesses afloat.

f**k off blaming the Europeans. This is your mess.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
Vote Tory, get incompetence.

Ffs scaremongering without substance from corbyns / labour number one fan... a deal will be done with EU but not a one sided deal like now! as for usa deal as they say rome wasn't built in day? Not sure why you think fish will rot in Dover can say the apples will rot in Calais on same basis or is it a one way street everything can come in to uk from EU but nothing can go out to EU?

Of course there is no USA trade deal or any other, officially, as we are not allowed to sign up to them until after we have left the EU.
There is no trade deal with the EU as they are demanding we continue to financially prop them up, they can continue stealing our fish and eventually destroy all the fish stocks in Northern Europe, we abide by their rules and laws despite being an independent country (not part of a failed European federal state) and we pay for their future financial, economic, security and political collapse, which is surely coming

Easiest trade deal in history
I wouldn't worry about fish stocks, we won't have a fishing industry soon

We won't have a fishing industry if we continue to allow the EU to plunder it. They need the fish, as we hold over 40% of EU stocks in UK waters. The percentage is also increasing.

It should be an easy deal to agree as we already have all of the shared components in place. But Boris very naively thought he could trust the Europeans which yet again (as throughout history) has proven to be a bad move, especially when the French are involved.

I'm sure lorries full of rotting fish stuck in the Kent car park will keep our businesses afloat.

f**k off blaming the Europeans. This is your mess.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
Vote Tory, get incompetence.

Ffs scaremongering without substance from corbyns / labour number one fan... a deal will be done with EU but not a one sided deal like now! as for usa deal as they say rome wasn't built in day? Not sure why you think fish will rot in Dover can say the apples will rot in Calais on same basis or is it a one way street everything can come in to uk from EU but nothing can go out to EU?

'Not sure why you think fish will rot in Dover can say the apples will rot in Calais on same basis or is it a one way street everything can come in to uk from EU but nothing can go out to EU?'

How long do you think fish and fruit stays fresh for? You are so close to understanding. You can say it's the same basis, I am saying it is. Only difference is that they will have one less member whilst we lose practically all our trade deals overnight. Who do you think will fare better?

And my 'substance' is the food and drink federation.... The people who represent our food manufacturers. Good enough?

Trade with EU is 44% of total trade, take away the gold reserves transactions (gold never actually leaves the country it stays with the bank of england) then it's more like 50% of our trade is with the EU.

EU as a total and I think we are account for 20% of total exports from the EU area to us.

Damaging to both sides - unless they agree on keep the trade open and free with a trade agreement, no agreement and we have to offer all countries the same terms (WTO rules I believe)

Whilst all that was going on Corbyn and co were busy going down the anti semite route - they have now apologised and agreed to pay £500,000 in damages

To me - Corbyn and Co spent the whole time calling anyone who didnt agree with them 'Gammon' , Xenophobic, little englanders, closet racists etc etc - and then when it comes to election they had the temerity to ask the same people to please vote for us. And some people wonder why the result came out as it did.

ps I thought the report out today said there was interference in the Scottish Ref but not the Brexit Ref - but by the sounds of it the civil service didnt look too hard. Having said that we didnt cover ourselves in glory when the UK diplomat had that 'report' that was made up that tried to imply Trump was working for the Russians. Im sure the Russians and the Chinese have been trying to interfere in our elections for years in order to get a Govt they like. It's not like we would do anything like that is it ?

We have had a Tory government for 10 years and you try to blame the mess this country is in, on Comrade Corbyn!!!!

Brexit is done and dusted and most people in this country accept it.

Except this country has now alienated the Russians, Chinese and the European Union.

Do you really honestly think the EU will give a shit about us.

That leaves the good old USA.

The USA wants to invest in the NHS ( take control) and what does the Government do?
It votes to remove any controls on selling the NHS off.

This Government has only been in 6 months, do you think things are going along swimmingly?
We are in the shit.
You have only got to look at the pay rises announced today.
No mention of the care workers there, the people who worked through the epidemic without PPE because the government was inept at providing it.

Carry on blaming Comrade Corbyn for the ills of the UK. Sorry, I forgot Corbyn was never in CONTROL of the country ruled by the Tories for the last 10 years. The Media paints the pictures and you have at the moment, the freedom to accept or reject what they put in front of you.

Everybody has the right of an opinion but why are you so scared of the Left?

One day very soon you will wake up and realise where we are.
Laws and regulations will be put in place, which will seek to restrict your freedom.

Every day we are moving to a position which will be untenable for a large proportion of British society due to the greed of the few.

You could even think you are living in North Korea ( A communist state according to the Press) but in reality a Dictatorship but the Media would not allow you to think that.

Start looking for your news outside the mainstream media, you will be pleasantly surprised that some media outlets encourage you to think for yourselves. Everybody can do it, if they want to. Be open to change.

It’s so bad Spike, you must be thinking of Russia to start a new life..

The exact opposite my dear chap.
The Independent report released today exposed Russia has a hostile state to residents of the UK.
The Report also stated the UK government did f**k all about it.
The Government had this information for at least 12 months before they saw it fit to tell us.
I would be jumping out of the fire into the frying pan.

We have had a Tory government for 10 years and you try to blame the mess this country is in, on Comrade Corbyn!!!!

Brexit is done and dusted and most people in this country accept it.

Except this country has now alienated the Russians, Chinese and the European Union.

Do you really honestly think the EU will give a shit about us.

That leaves the good old USA.

The USA wants to invest in the NHS ( take control) and what does the Government do?
It votes to remove any controls on selling the NHS off.

This Government has only been in 6 months, do you think things are going along swimmingly?
We are in the shit.
You have only got to look at the pay rises announced today.
No mention of the care workers there, the people who worked through the epidemic without PPE because the government was inept at providing it.

Carry on blaming Comrade Corbyn for the ills of the UK. Sorry, I forgot Corbyn was never in CONTROL of the country ruled by the Tories for the last 10 years. The Media paints the pictures and you have at the moment, the freedom to accept or reject what they put in front of you.

Everybody has the right of an opinion but why are you so scared of the Left?

One day very soon you will wake up and realise where we are.
Laws and regulations will be put in place, which will seek to restrict your freedom.

Every day we are moving to a position which will be untenable for a large proportion of British society due to the greed of the few.

You could even think you are living in North Korea ( A communist state according to the Press) but in reality a Dictatorship but the Media would not allow you to think that.

Start looking for your news outside the mainstream media, you will be pleasantly surprised that some media outlets encourage you to think for yourselves. Everybody can do it, if they want to. Be open to change.

i think you only have to listen to the different language coming from westminster and the bay over this crisis to figure out your 100% wrong... not talking about how good or bad its been handled { because neither comes out with glowing reports } just the tone ...
one is concerned about restricting our civil liberty , and has asked for co operation and then thanked the public..
the other sees us as early 20th century school children . or a stick to poke westminster with... its what happens when you have elevated people who have craved authority or power , never got past being reserve milk monitor but are now in charge for no other reason than so many vote for what their grand parents voted...

Skidemin,
Your last comment that the people of Wales vote for the Labour Party because their grandfather's did leaves you down.
Do you not think that Welsh people are capable of making decisions of which party will serve their interests best?
Last time I looked we allegedly lived in a democracy.To suggest otherwise, I would like some facts to back up your statement.
Or is it just your opinion?
If it is, that's ok.
Everybody's entitled to an opinion.

The exact opposite my dear chap.
The Independent report released today exposed Russia has a hostile state to residents of the UK.
The Report also stated the UK government did f**k all about it.
The Government had this information for at least 12 months before they saw it fit to tell us.
I would be jumping out of the fire into the frying pan.

Because MI5 wouldnt speak to them or the Govt, and rightly so because it would be akin to talking to Hilda Ogden and expecting a secret to remain that. Me and you could have told them Russia is a hostile state, they really needed an enquiry??

Point is, Labour people are continually moaning about the state of the country, and its rather tedious. Lets hear all these great ideas about the direction, rather than moan feckin moan. Corbyn had them, but they were rubbish. Starmer seems devoid.

If a report is frustrated, it means the security services are doing their job.

Skidemin,
Your last comment that the people of Wales vote for the Labour Party because their grandfather's did leaves you down.
Do you not think that Welsh people are capable of making decisions of which party will serve their interests best?
Last time I looked we allegedly lived in a democracy.To suggest otherwise, I would like some facts to back up your statement.
Or is it just your opinion?
If it is, that's ok.
Everybody's entitled to an opinion.

He is right, I come from the Rhondda and a host of my friends there vote Labour because their parents/ grandparents did, and they readily admit this. There is a saying up the valleys that you could paint a sheep red, make it a Labour candidate and people would vote for it, sorry but it is true

Skidemin,
Your last comment that the people of Wales vote for the Labour Party because their grandfather's did leaves you down.
Do you not think that Welsh people are capable of making decisions of which party will serve their interests best?
Last time I looked we allegedly lived in a democracy.To suggest otherwise, I would like some facts to back up your statement.
Or is it just your opinion?
If it is, that's ok.
Everybody's entitled to an opinion.

It's a very valid argument and one you let yourself down on picking on. Plenty on here have said it. I've heard many say it too face to face. "I could never vote for them Tories" when questioned it Ultimately comes back to "look at what Thatcher did to the miners" - where do you think they heard that?! I'm talking about 30oddyear old blokes! That opinion is rife around the valleys. Slowly going, but still there.

And a quick Google search. These are such quotes from said Grandparents...
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... g-17347865

he will vote for the Labour Party no matter what

he says would not vote for the Tories if his life depended on it.

but coming from a small mining village like Abertillery people always seem to vote for Labour regardless

Really I should be voting Conservative as they want to leave Europe the same as me, but I just don't want to do that.

There's your facts. Democracy yes. Vote for who they like. But you have to at least open your ears to everyone.

How's the government's 'Brexit contract with the people' going? https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status ... 19200?s=20
Seems to be a fail in every box.

Brexit has cost the UK more than we've ever put in already. No US trade deal, no EU trade deal. A 27 acre lorry park (1 of about 12) in Kent. Support for Scottish, Welsh, and Irish independence is higher than ever. Food and medicine shortages, majority of businesses unprepared.
You're right, you are a real winner here.
Just say you hate Britain and be done with it.

2 Days ago the EU agreed a €750 billion Covid recovery fund which will be given mainly to the Southern states (Spain, Portugal, Italy & Greece) in the form of grants and loans. They also agreed a further €1.2 trillion 7 year budget.

If we were still in the EU our contribution to that little lot would have been around €350 billion

How you can claim BREXIT has already cost the UK more than ever is beyond belief as we have saved a fortune before we have even fully left the EU.

Skidemin,
Your last comment that the people of Wales vote for the Labour Party because their grandfather's did leaves you down.
Do you not think that Welsh people are capable of making decisions of which party will serve their interests best?
Last time I looked we allegedly lived in a democracy.To suggest otherwise, I would like some facts to back up your statement.
Or is it just your opinion?
If it is, that's ok.
Everybody's entitled to an opinion.

It's a very valid argument and one you let yourself down on picking on. Plenty on here have said it. I've heard many say it too face to face. "I could never vote for them Tories" when questioned it Ultimately comes back to "look at what Thatcher did to the miners" - where do you think they heard that?! I'm talking about 30oddyear old blokes! That opinion is rife around the valleys. Slowly going, but still there.

And a quick Google search. These are such quotes from said Grandparents...
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... g-17347865

he will vote for the Labour Party no matter what

he says would not vote for the Tories if his life depended on it.

but coming from a small mining village like Abertillery people always seem to vote for Labour regardless

Really I should be voting Conservative as they want to leave Europe the same as me, but I just don't want to do that.

There's your facts. Democracy yes. Vote for who they like. But you have to at least open your ears to everyone.

As much as the Tories view on BREXIT matches my own I will never vote for the Conservative Party. Like many others my reference point is what happened in the 1980's and how industry was purposely dismantled in order to destroy the Union base.

However, today's Labour Party does not represent the party I supported for years. It is a cliche but it is run by an elite which has nothing in common with me or the working class in the Welsh valleys. This elite's support for remain during BREXIT was clear evidence of that.

The likes of Jeremy Corbyn, Dianne Abbot, John McDonnell & Dawn Butler believed fully in Anti-Semitism and hated everything which was British and were more loyal to Russia than the UK.

It breaks my heart to see the mess they have made of a once great party which has done so much good over its 100 year existence. Sadly it will take decades to repair them and I doubt I will see a Labour Government again within my lifetime.

The fella that said the the NHS is going to be being privatised by the USA.

I'd say a couple of things :-
1. The NHS currently uses software from American companies to run it's systems - should we remove that ?
2. It uses hardware (medical and IT) from American companies - and other countries.
3. The NHS employs doctors / nurses and specialists from other countries.
4. If you use a GP - then you are not using the NHS as such. ALL GP practices are private companies - should we get rid of those ?

My point being is that I dont care who provides the service on behalf of the NHS. It will still be free at the point of use for people in this country. And if they dont provide a good enough service - we can simply not renew the contract when it's up renewal.

Case in point - gall stones and getting them zapped etc. At the Heath they can do it internally and the cost is actually higher than if they send the patient to an external company. Internally there is a cost for each treatment session - whereas the external company charge for the 'service' of removing the gallstone - whether it takes 1 , 2 or 3 treatments.

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Skidemin,
Your last comment that the people of Wales vote for the Labour Party because their grandfather's did leaves you down.
Do you not think that Welsh people are capable of making decisions of which party will serve their interests best?
Last time I looked we allegedly lived in a democracy.To suggest otherwise, I would like some facts to back up your statement.
Or is it just your opinion?
If it is, that's ok.
Everybody's entitled to an opinion.

if youve never heard ..i could never vote tory by people who hold tory views your not getting out enough mate... and its more than an opinion.. throughout my life i come across lots ,possibly a majority when talking about current issues time and again will hold a tory view but will also tell you they will vote labour...