M4 review whitewash

The new commission looking at alternatives to the M4 relief road have dismissed building it but make several judgements, like better public transport, charging motorists, more train stations between Cardiff and Severn Tunnel Junction, etc; but there is insufficient rail provision to offer an alternative to the motorway

There's also no cycle way between Cardiff and Newport but we need one!

So basically, no solution to congestion that is practical or useful; so stuck with the problem to the detriment to South Wales businesses

Like I said, a whitewash!

Below are their findings as to why there's congestion?

Dont need to be a brain surgeon to know this. Their solutions are less than useless and pointless.

Congestion on the M4 is largely a peak hours; a commuting problem

The M4 around Newport is the fourth most congested stretch of urban motorway in the UK
Parts of the motorway have been operating at or close to their practical capacity

Most commuting cars carry only one traveller
Between Newport and Bristol. There are about 23,300 daily journeys

I haven’t read the report yet but can you confirm if it mentions either the Pope or bears and woods ?

I haven’t read the report yet but can you confirm if it mentions either the Pope or bears and woods ?

No unfortunately they were not invited to offer their expert opinions as WG want to mess it up themselves.

Build the turbines from Weston to Cardiff, put a road on it.. or take it from Dyffryn south to Magor. Trouble is with WAG they have no confidence in themselves, neither does any major contractor.

Same answer labour always come up with. Rather than come up with solutions... tax it.

Build the turbines from Weston to Cardiff, put a road on it.. or take it from Dyffryn south to Magor. Trouble is with WAG they have no confidence in themselves, neither does any major contractor.

Drakeford was against the rd and as gone on record saying it would not be built .. now south Wales will have road block until cant do anything 'drakeford " is booted out WG along with labour cronies... there is no alternative to a relief rd so s Wales will lose businesses and money because hes an ostrich with his giraffe neck buried in the senedds toilets ..

Drakeford's solution to all this will be to pass legislation giving everybody in Wales the legal right to work from home if they are want to and are able to do so.

Knowing that hundreds of thousands of people who are either lazy, still scared shitless of going outside their front door or are just happy to work from home means that the amount of traffic from commuters will be massively reduced allowing Drakeford to claim that the drop in traffic has justified his decision.

Drakeford's solution to all this will be to pass legislation giving everybody in Wales the legal right to work from home if they are want to and are able to do so.

Knowing that hundreds of thousands of people who are either lazy, still scared shitless of going outside their front door or are just happy to work from home means that the amount of traffic from commuters will be massively reduced allowing Drakeford to claim that the drop in traffic has justified his decision.

Unfortunately he'll be wrong traffic will be as normal as it was before lockdown! What is obvious from looking at what commission have said is they know the problem but no solution outside relief rd ? but been told not to say that having to tow drakeford line..... love to ask him how he proposes to cut 85k trips a day between swales and rest UK using public transport ?

The proposal to charge drivers is just a replacement of the bridge toll, Drakefords treats the Welsh people like they are f*cking idiots but I suppose he’s right as the majority vote for him and his party. Like the old saying you could stick a red flag up a goats arse and he’d get voted for in Wales

Sherlock Holmes (m4 commissioner) says the reason for crowded rd is commuters! 85k of them a day No kidding! So he says all have to do is re use old lines from seven tunnel to Cardiff and have good bus and rd links to these stations ? cost be far in excess of 1b relief rd probably and take god knows how long yo get infrastructure in place if they manage this he proposes charges per mile and parking charges for companies.... sounds like a recipe to destroy businesses in swales which sounds like drakefords master plan..

The Welsh government is like a millstone around the countries neck. They are sinking us. Normally you don't have a comparator but we can measure ourselves to England Bristol and the west country and their education and health results are far better than ours.

Its 20 years since devolution and its only worked for civil servants and Btec politicians the rest of the country is much poorer.

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The Welsh government is like a millstone around the countries neck. They are sinking us. Normally you don't have a comparator but we can measure ourselves to England Bristol and the west country and their education and health results are far better than ours.

Its 20 years since devolution and its only worked for civil servants and Btec politicians the rest of the country is much poorer.

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The trouble is labour their policies and ideology are governed by minority organisations like friends of the earth when it comes to anything that needs building... they cannot do anything without asking these organisations first and if they say no that's end of it... drakeford said no before original commission reported back because rd was going through wetlands yet there was alternatives but "HE" wasn't interested thought WG was to serve public of Wales not himself and his buddies ... can see it now 10yrs time fantastic bus services going to lovely stations at fantastic cost with no one on them because it is no good for people going beyond Bristol! and theres no place to stick workers tools on bus/train ...

Better public transport is needed to provide an alternative to the scrapped M4 relief road, a panel of experts says.

Some form of charging could also be a way to ease traffic, the South East Wales Transport Commission said.

But alternatives such as reopening rail lines would need to be in place first, according to the report.

The M4 around Newport is often clogged at rush hour but Wales' first minister scrapped a relief road plan last year.

The report highlighted that people may be reluctant to use crowded public transport after the coronavirus pandemic and many may continue to work from home - so any long term predictions about traffic levels are not possible.

It said a "network of alternatives" was needed, with a "local rail backbone" - more stations between Cardiff and Severn Tunnel Junction.

Many people were using the motorway because they had no other realistic option, with journeys to and from Newport particularly poorly served, it found.

But the different ways of working that have emerged during the coronavirus pandemic give a period of "breathing space".

And the pandemic is now leading the committee to look in more detail at flexible working arrangements.

Future Generations Commissioner for Wales Sophie Howe welcomed the idea of improving public transport, and called for more investment in the green economy.

"Wales didn't need a £1.6bn motorway a year ago and it doesn't need one now," she said.

"We need green jobs, industries and infrastructure to recover from the pandemic, and protect ourselves against the uncertainties of another crisis in the form of the climate and nature emergency."

But businesses which rely on the M4 say any charge to use the motorway would make them less competitive globally.

Future Generations Commissioner for Wales Sophie Howe welcomed the idea of improving public transport, and called for more investment in the green economy.

"Wales didn't need a £1.6bn motorway a year ago and it doesn't need one now," she said.

"We need green jobs, industries and infrastructure to recover from the pandemic, and protect ourselves against the uncertainties of another crisis in the form of the climate and nature emergency."

But businesses which rely on the M4 say any charge to use the motorway would make them less competitive globally.

I just wrote about labour being in bed with the environmentalists and this proves point.. yes lets invest in green economy while the m4 grounds to a halt how the fck can she say we didn't need relief rd year ago and don't need one now? Guess she and drakeford hope the 85k a day using m4 will disappear onto the public transport services that may exist in 20+yrs time? Like said ostriches with head in senedd toilets hoping problem goes away.

Ps to drakeford and co problem existed before corvid and got sfa to do with people not using public transport fact is public transport does not get workers from a 2 b with tools or at a time that needs to be useful to them...

Future Generations Commissioner for Wales Sophie Howe welcomed the idea of improving public transport, and called for more investment in the green economy.

"Wales didn't need a £1.6bn motorway a year ago and it doesn't need one now," she said.

"We need green jobs, industries and infrastructure to recover from the pandemic, and protect ourselves against the uncertainties of another crisis in the form of the climate and nature emergency."

But businesses which rely on the M4 say any charge to use the motorway would make them less competitive globally.

I just wrote about labour being in bed with the environmentalists and this proves point.. yes lets invest in green economy while the m4 grounds to a halt how the fck can she say we didn't need relief rd year ago and don't need one now? Guess she and drakeford hope the 85k a day using m4 will disappear onto the public transport services that may exist in 20+yrs time? Like said ostriches with head in senedd toilets hoping problem goes away.

Ps to drakeford and co problem existed before corvid and got sfa to do with people not using public transport fact is public transport does not get workers from a 2 b with tools or at a time that needs to be useful to them...

All in bed with each other - when it comes to looking after their well being Allan

Saying that al, went cycling from Dyffryn to Marshfield the other day, its beautiful out there. After Covid, f**k cars, Id rather sit on the M4 for an extra 20 mins. After Beeching, we now need more railway. Anyway, they have to do something to reduce the amount of songbird corpses.

The other option is a tunnel. I dont know why I keep posting these..forgetting its the WAG, and their principle of 'how not to do it'.

Saying that al, went cycling from Dyffryn to Marshfield the other day, its beautiful out there. After Covid, f**k cars, Id rather sit on the M4 for an extra 20 mins. After Beeching, we now need more railway. Anyway, they have to do something to reduce the amount of songbird corpses.

The other option is a tunnel. I dont know why I keep posting these..forgetting its the WAG, and their principle of 'how not to do it'.

This was suppose to be a new commission to look at alternatives but in reality it as done nothing big fat zero ! It says can utilise tracks between cdf & seven tunnel can improve public transport and when done that WG can charge people for using m4? Nothing in report offers an actual explanation as to what Wg is going to do to alleviate the brynglas tunnels bottleneck, just pure pie in sky ideas that need more money than the 1b relief rd cost. What stands out is they seem to think the problem is local traffic using m4 as their plan is for local public transport when vast majority of users go behond Newport... thank fck WG didn't get control over seven bridges or we'll be well and truly screwed....

Future Generations Commissioner for Wales Sophie Howe welcomed the idea of improving public transport, and called for more investment in the green economy.

"Wales didn't need a £1.6bn motorway a year ago and it doesn't need one now," she said.

"We need green jobs, industries and infrastructure to recover from the pandemic, and protect ourselves against the uncertainties of another crisis in the form of the climate and nature emergency."

But businesses which rely on the M4 say any charge to use the motorway would make them less competitive globally.

I just wrote about labour being in bed with the environmentalists and this proves point.. yes lets invest in green economy while the m4 grounds to a halt how the fck can she say we didn't need relief rd year ago and don't need one now? Guess she and drakeford hope the 85k a day using m4 will disappear onto the public transport services that may exist in 20+yrs time? Like said ostriches with head in senedd toilets hoping problem goes away.

Ps to drakeford and co problem existed before corvid and got sfa to do with people not using public transport fact is public transport does not get workers from a 2 b with tools or at a time that needs to be useful to them...

All in bed with each other - when it comes to looking after their well being Allan

Well its obvious someone is controlling the WG and it's not drakeford lost count times wales have lost things because WG wouldn't pay money to organisations to run things like boat grand prix or Wales GB rally stopped for 2 yrs because WG haggled over money and lots more events went same way but both events poured millions into economy but WG prefer to waste it on vanity projects that ultimately fail and cost us millions ..

Personally, I am glad that the road won't be built. As lockdown has shown, people need green spaces for leisure activities and well being in their lives. These habitats are ancient and cannot be replaced, so while accepting the need for some sort of relief road or whatever, it needs to go elsewhere. The traffic is disproportionate to the size of Newport; maybe a third lane could be the answer there? Lots of disruption [again] while it is built, but whatever is decided it will cause delays while it is built...

Personally, I am glad that the road won't be built. As lockdown has shown, people need green spaces for leisure activities and well being in their lives. These habitats are ancient and cannot be replaced, so while accepting the need for some sort of relief road or whatever, it needs to go elsewhere. The traffic is disproportionate to the size of Newport; maybe a third lane could be the answer there? Lots of disruption [again] while it is built, but whatever is decided it will cause delays while it is built...

There was other routes but preferred route was the levels.. in reality it didn't matter as drakeford was openly opposed to the rd being built through the levels..... but had to go through with inquiry to appease businesses .. what I dont get is why did they consider this route knowing drakeford would not approve it? Like said a whitewash by any other name.

This has been going in one or another for over 20 years and the WAG still cant make a decision. Drakeford (as per) dithered until in the end he said no, but would make contingencies.

Westminster said they would over ride Dreary Drakeford and go ahead with it anyway - ie - build it for the WAG whether they liked it or not.

Personally - just blow up the Bryn Glas tunnels to make it wider. Stop local traffic from using it if possible.

The Chinese would have this done in a couple of months. It's taken us 20 years and still no concrete solution. I know someone who has worked on all the various M4 relief projects - he's made a small fortune from it. He laughs that it's the one job that he's never had to start other than provide background info and stats. Alan Michael, Rhodri Morgan, Carwyn Jones, and now Drakeford political leadership at it's finest.

This has been going in one or another for over 20 years and the WAG still cant make a decision. Drakeford (as per) dithered until in the end he said no, but would make contingencies.

Westminster said they would over ride Dreary Drakeford and go ahead with it anyway - ie - build it for the WAG whether they liked it or not.

Personally - just blow up the Bryn Glas tunnels to make it wider. Stop local traffic from using it if possible.

The Chinese would have this done in a couple of months. It's taken us 20 years and still no concrete solution. I know someone who has worked on all the various M4 relief projects - he's made a small fortune from it. He laughs that it's the one job that he's never had to start other than provide background info and stats. Alan Michael, Rhodri Morgan, Carwyn Jones, and now Drakeford political leadership at it's finest.

Didnt they spend 114m to say no to the commission? It's a total balls up as he did not find out drakefords views before announcing a doomed route ... not sure if boris can build it depends on if m4 is part of national rd network bit like seven bridges are. Or is it devolved?

This has been going in one or another for over 20 years and the WAG still cant make a decision. Drakeford (as per) dithered until in the end he said no, but would make contingencies.

Westminster said they would over ride Dreary Drakeford and go ahead with it anyway - ie - build it for the WAG whether they liked it or not.

Personally - just blow up the Bryn Glas tunnels to make it wider. Stop local traffic from using it if possible.

The Chinese would have this done in a couple of months. It's taken us 20 years and still no concrete solution. I know someone who has worked on all the various M4 relief projects - he's made a small fortune from it. He laughs that it's the one job that he's never had to start other than provide background info and stats. Alan Michael, Rhodri Morgan, Carwyn Jones, and now Drakeford political leadership at it's finest.

Didnt they spend 114m to say no to the commission? It's a total balls up as he did not find out drakefords views before announcing a doomed route ... not sure if boris can build it depends on if m4 is part of national rd network bit like seven bridges are. Or is it devolved?

He says he doesnt think advantages outway the disadvantages this shows what a total idiot he is....Westminster as said will pay or provide the lending capacity to build it but drakeford is not interested because it's a conservative gvmnt ... welsh conservatives will provide a relief rd but not necessarily on route chosen? Like said was alternatives if the will to build it was there

Demolishing the tunnels is the best option, and widen to Tredegar park. Also need to sort the Magor stretch. But the drip is relying on people to work from home.

Demolishing the tunnels is the best option, and widen to Tredegar park. Also need to sort the Magor stretch. But the drip is relying on people to work from home.

Hes relying on nothing he just doesn't want to upset the environmentalists.... but what really is stark is there is no alternative proposed by new commission only pie in sky ideas that are not realistic or going to happen...