Yep, Strugeon has played a blinder!

Yep, Strugeon has played a blinder!

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Yep, Strugeon has played a blinder!

A bit unfair there Annis. As much as I dislike the woman, I think you have to look at the UK death total to get a fairer comparison with other countries, not isolate Scotland and match them up with countries of similar populations.

Yep, Strugeon has played a blinder!

A bit unfair there Annis. As much as I dislike the woman, I think you have to look at the UK death total to get a fairer comparison with other countries, not isolate Scotland and match them up with countries of similar populations.

When you compare current figures as well on deaths and infection rates Scotland also comes out a lot better than England. Short of them completely shutting the border and refusing any entries, the incompetence of Westminster will have hampered them as well.

Yep, Strugeon has played a blinder!

A bit unfair there Annis. As much as I dislike the woman, I think you have to look at the UK death total to get a fairer comparison with other countries, not isolate Scotland and match them up with countries of similar populations.

But she’s happy to isolate Scotland when it suits her isn’t she mate.

Yep, Strugeon has played a blinder!

A bit unfair there Annis. As much as I dislike the woman, I think you have to look at the UK death total to get a fairer comparison with other countries, not isolate Scotland and match them up with countries of similar populations.

But she’s happy to isolate Scotland when it suits her isn’t she mate.

I suppose if the number of deaths in Scotland were exceptionally low, she may have used that as another reason to push for independence but I think she's too shrewd for that, knowing that any sudden rise in Covid 19 based deaths north of the border would blow her argument out of the water.

As I said in my initial response, I don't like the woman or what she stands for. But nobody can deny she is one clever cookie, in fact the polar opposite of Diane Abbott !!

Yep, Strugeon has played a blinder!

A bit unfair there Annis. As much as I dislike the woman, I think you have to look at the UK death total to get a fairer comparison with other countries, not isolate Scotland and match them up with countries of similar populations.

But she’s happy to isolate Scotland when it suits her isn’t she mate.

I suppose if the number of deaths in Scotland were exceptionally low, she may have used that as another reason to push for independence but I think she's too shrewd for that, knowing that any sudden rise in Covid 19 based deaths north of the border would blow her argument out of the water.

As I said in my initial response, I don't like the woman or what she stands for. But nobody can deny she is one clever cookie, in fact the polar opposite of Diane Abbott !!

100% agree with your last paragraph

Yep, Strugeon has played a blinder!

A bit unfair there Annis. As much as I dislike the woman, I think you have to look at the UK death total to get a fairer comparison with other countries, not isolate Scotland and match them up with countries of similar populations.

But she’s happy to isolate Scotland when it suits her isn’t she mate.

I suppose if the number of deaths in Scotland were exceptionally low, she may have used that as another reason to push for independence but I think she's too shrewd for that, knowing that any sudden rise in Covid 19 based deaths north of the border would blow her argument out of the water.

As I said in my initial response, I don't like the woman or what she stands for. But nobody can deny she is one clever cookie, in fact the polar opposite of Diane Abbott !!

She is a very clever politician but unlike Boris she is not scrutinised or held to account. The Salmon sex scandal, which he was found not guilty, is not the end of the matter as he’s threatening to say where the bodies are buried and expose SNP dodgy dealings. Type of thing that could tear a party apart but the SNP are a cult not a political party so I think it’s only a matter of time till the secede.

Yep, Strugeon has played a blinder!

A bit unfair there Annis. As much as I dislike the woman, I think you have to look at the UK death total to get a fairer comparison with other countries, not isolate Scotland and match them up with countries of similar populations.

But she’s happy to isolate Scotland when it suits her isn’t she mate.

I suppose if the number of deaths in Scotland were exceptionally low, she may have used that as another reason to push for independence but I think she's too shrewd for that, knowing that any sudden rise in Covid 19 based deaths north of the border would blow her argument out of the water.

As I said in my initial response, I don't like the woman or what she stands for. But nobody can deny she is one clever cookie, in fact the polar opposite of Diane Abbott !!

She is a very clever politician but unlike Boris she is not scrutinised or held to account. The Salmon sex scandal, which he was found not guilty, is not the end of the matter as he’s threatening to say where the bodies are buried and expose SNP dodgy dealings. Type of thing that could tear a party apart but the SNP are a cult not a political party so I think it’s only a matter of time till the secede.

I’d argue most politicians and political parties these days are borderline cults. The amount of mental gymnastics some supporters go through to justify their leader’s and MP’s decisions rather than accept criticism or debate is boggling some times.

The one positive is we’ve not quite reached the strong Trump supporter (not republicans as a whole) level of devout worship. Crikey

There is a lot of dodgy counting going on around the World, some count every death where there is a suspicion of Covid-19, where some only count Covid-19 where there were no other underlying conditions.

I am not saying the UK, Italy, Spain, Belgium etc aren't amongst the worst, I'm simply saying in the cold light of day when all the excess death figures are calculated over a year or two the figures may not look anywhere near as bad.

There is a lot of dodgy counting going on around the World, some count every death where there is a suspicion of Covid-19, where some only count Covid-19 where there were no other underlying conditions.

I am not saying the UK, Italy, Spain, Belgium etc aren't amongst the worst, I'm simply saying in the cold light of day when all the excess death figures are calculated over a year or two the figures may not look anywhere near as bad.

Add in the testing capacity of some countries being much lower and of worse quality and it further throws the numbers off. Some countries refuse to even test the dead and some have most likely just provided false numbers (China and Russia I’m looking at you). Excess deaths will most likely be the easiest and most accurate statistics to compare but those won’t be visible for a while.

Yep, Strugeon has played a blinder!

A bit unfair there Annis. As much as I dislike the woman, I think you have to look at the UK death total to get a fairer comparison with other countries, not isolate Scotland and match them up with countries of similar populations.

But she’s happy to isolate Scotland when it suits her isn’t she mate.

I suppose if the number of deaths in Scotland were exceptionally low, she may have used that as another reason to push for independence but I think she's too shrewd for that, knowing that any sudden rise in Covid 19 based deaths north of the border would blow her argument out of the water.

As I said in my initial response, I don't like the woman or what she stands for. But nobody can deny she is one clever cookie, in fact the polar opposite of Diane Abbott !!

She is a very clever politician but unlike Boris she is not scrutinised or held to account. The Salmon sex scandal, which he was found not guilty, is not the end of the matter as he’s threatening to say where the bodies are buried and expose SNP dodgy dealings. Type of thing that could tear a party apart but the SNP are a cult not a political party so I think it’s only a matter of time till the secede.

I’d argue most politicians and political parties these days are borderline cults. The amount of mental gymnastics some supporters go through to justify their leader’s and MP’s decisions rather than accept criticism or debate is boggling some times.

The one positive is we’ve not quite reached the strong Trump supporter (not republicans as a whole) level of devout worship. Crikey

Based on what, how many Trump voters or Natz have you interacted with. The SNP are a sinister cult founded by Nazi collaborators, no matter what they fekk up, education, health, employment, the Natz clowns won’t hear a word against them. Any Trump voters I’ve met (admittedly only a few) have been articulate and politically savvy about not only the US but wider geopolitics. I think if you slightly altered the spelling in your “most politicians are cults” statement you’d be spot on though.

There's a lady from Scottish Health on the Emma Barnett show a couple of days ago on the very subject of the better Scottish outcome. She went through the usual explanations, large areas of the highlands and islands with very low and no infections. smaller cities, smaller BAME communities etc. However she attributed the biggest single factor to " luck". They went into lockdown alongside England but they were at least 10 days behind in terms of infections. She could have easily sat there and taken the plaudits but she chose to say it as she saw it.

Cant quite work out why we're not seeing a rise in London to be honest. Its not far off back to normal in many aspects. Just hoping the level of infection the first time around hit those who move around disproportionately and there's some albeit unknown period of resistance to the infection. Adolescents hitting the bars again in the last couple of weeks will surely have some effect.

Theres some hilarious reporting of Covid deaths, and I dont think the UK is the worst, but probably the most honest.

Russia reports almost the same amount of cases and deaths every day, like theres a ceiling. Catalan and Almeria report more daily deaths than for Spain as a whole. But I guess its holiday season.

Yep, Strugeon has played a blinder!

A bit unfair there Annis. As much as I dislike the woman, I think you have to look at the UK death total to get a fairer comparison with other countries, not isolate Scotland and match them up with countries of similar populations.

But she’s happy to isolate Scotland when it suits her isn’t she mate.

I suppose if the number of deaths in Scotland were exceptionally low, she may have used that as another reason to push for independence but I think she's too shrewd for that, knowing that any sudden rise in Covid 19 based deaths north of the border would blow her argument out of the water.

As I said in my initial response, I don't like the woman or what she stands for. But nobody can deny she is one clever cookie, in fact the polar opposite of Diane Abbott !!

She is a very clever politician but unlike Boris she is not scrutinised or held to account. The Salmon sex scandal, which he was found not guilty, is not the end of the matter as he’s threatening to say where the bodies are buried and expose SNP dodgy dealings. Type of thing that could tear a party apart but the SNP are a cult not a political party so I think it’s only a matter of time till the secede.

I’d argue most politicians and political parties these days are borderline cults. The amount of mental gymnastics some supporters go through to justify their leader’s and MP’s decisions rather than accept criticism or debate is boggling some times.

The one positive is we’ve not quite reached the strong Trump supporter (not republicans as a whole) level of devout worship. Crikey

Based on what, how many Trump voters or Natz have you interacted with. The SNP are a sinister cult founded by Nazi collaborators, no matter what they fekk up, education, health, employment, the Natz clowns won’t hear a word against them. Any Trump voters I’ve met (admittedly only a few) have been articulate and politically savvy about not only the US but wider geopolitics. I think if you slightly altered the spelling in your “most politicians are cults” statement you’d be spot on though.

I'm basing it on what I've witnessed online and conversations I've had with these people. From what I've seen most people who are willing to put their opinions online are the one who will rarely change their political opinions because they're very certain in them. That's why I specified strong Trump supporters, it's not all Trump supporters and definitely not all Republicans but there is definitely a section of his support (and it's not a small minority) that hold him to ridiculously high regards. To them the man can do no wrong.

This cult mentality is creeping more and more into UK politics, on this board criticism of the Tories, Brexit, Farage, etc is rarely met with discussion or debate it ends up being shit slinging about being a lefty, snowflake, Corbyn is a commie, so on and so on
And on the other board if you criticise Labour, the Senedd, Starmer, etc it's the same thing but from the opposite end of the spectrum, to them you'd be a racist, uneducated, etc
On policy alone during the last election Labour policies were favoured much more than Tory policies, I think even Lib Dem policies were more popular than Tory but people don't vote on policies, they vote who their family votes for, their friends, how they've always voted, who the papers tell them to vote for, etc

Yep, Strugeon has played a blinder!

A bit unfair there Annis. As much as I dislike the woman, I think you have to look at the UK death total to get a fairer comparison with other countries, not isolate Scotland and match them up with countries of similar populations.

But she’s happy to isolate Scotland when it suits her isn’t she mate.

I suppose if the number of deaths in Scotland were exceptionally low, she may have used that as another reason to push for independence but I think she's too shrewd for that, knowing that any sudden rise in Covid 19 based deaths north of the border would blow her argument out of the water.

As I said in my initial response, I don't like the woman or what she stands for. But nobody can deny she is one clever cookie, in fact the polar opposite of Diane Abbott !!

She is a very clever politician but unlike Boris she is not scrutinised or held to account. The Salmon sex scandal, which he was found not guilty, is not the end of the matter as he’s threatening to say where the bodies are buried and expose SNP dodgy dealings. Type of thing that could tear a party apart but the SNP are a cult not a political party so I think it’s only a matter of time till the secede.

I’d argue most politicians and political parties these days are borderline cults. The amount of mental gymnastics some supporters go through to justify their leader’s and MP’s decisions rather than accept criticism or debate is boggling some times.

The one positive is we’ve not quite reached the strong Trump supporter (not republicans as a whole) level of devout worship. Crikey

Based on what, how many Trump voters or Natz have you interacted with. The SNP are a sinister cult founded by Nazi collaborators, no matter what they fekk up, education, health, employment, the Natz clowns won’t hear a word against them. Any Trump voters I’ve met (admittedly only a few) have been articulate and politically savvy about not only the US but wider geopolitics. I think if you slightly altered the spelling in your “most politicians are cults” statement you’d be spot on though.

I'm basing it on what I've witnessed online and conversations I've had with these people. From what I've seen most people who are willing to put their opinions online are the one who will rarely change their political opinions because they're very certain in them. That's why I specified strong Trump supporters, it's not all Trump supporters and definitely not all Republicans but there is definitely a section of his support (and it's not a small minority) that hold him to ridiculously high regards. To them the man can do no wrong.

This cult mentality is creeping more and more into UK politics, on this board criticism of the Tories, Brexit, Farage, etc is rarely met with discussion or debate it ends up being shit slinging about being a lefty, snowflake, Corbyn is a commie, so on and so on
And on the other board if you criticise Labour, the Senedd, Starmer, etc it's the same thing but from the opposite end of the spectrum, to them you'd be a racist, uneducated, etc
On policy alone during the last election Labour policies were favoured much more than Tory policies, I think even Lib Dem policies were more popular than Tory but people don't vote on policies, they vote who their family votes for, their friends, how they've always voted, who the papers tell them to vote for, etc

Much of what you say is correct but many voted Tory last election for the first time ever. Politics is getting more toxic though and like you says more about calling those who disagree with you extremists than reasoned debate. Sturgeon and Co are among the worst for this, branding anyone who disagrees with them Extreme Right.