Dragons Heart Hospital

£166 million. Less than 100 covid patients!?

What!?

As an ex cub scout motto be prepared, but this is taking the proverbial.

Less than 50... 46 apparently.

"not a good use of limited resources"

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One word we are looking for HINDSIGHT
Imagine if the virus had taken such a hold and the NHS over run
Then the title of this thread would have been THEY SHOULD HAVE PREPARED BETTER

Fixing up the palace of Westminster is a staggering £7billion.
Dragons heart and the other field hospitals were a necessary gamble. The Heath came within a week of reaching maximum capacity. At it's peak coronavirus was doubling every 3.5 days. If the virus didn't peak when it did we'd have been desperate for the field hospitals. Imagine the moaners on here if our hospitals were being overrun and Wales didn't have enough capacity while England and Scotland did. Let's be honest the Welsh Government can't do anything right in the eyes of the obvious right wing majority on here. But at the end of the day when you look at excess deaths during the coronavirus period Wales is doing far better than England per head of population.
Obviously the cautious approach is paying off whether or not you agree with it.

Fixing up the palace of Westminster is a staggering £7billion.
Dragons heart and the other field hospitals were a necessary gamble. The Heath came within a week of reaching maximum capacity. At it's peak coronavirus was doubling every 3.5 days. If the virus didn't peak when it did we'd have been desperate for the field hospitals. Imagine the moaners on here if our hospitals were being overrun and Wales didn't have enough capacity while England and Scotland did. Let's be honest the Welsh Government can't do anything right in the eyes of the obvious right wing majority on here. But at the end of the day when you look at excess deaths during the coronavirus period Wales is doing far better than England per head of population.
Obviously the cautious approach is paying off whether or not you agree with it.

And Westminster can't do anything right in your eyes.

Testing levels lowest in UK. Miles off target.
More positive cases than the rest of the UK.
Schools unable to open.

Please tell us where you think Wales have got it right?

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It's not as if the equipment from these will disappear.

Most will go into a national stockpile so if this happens again they can be put together in days. Or if there is any other national tragedy that requires a field hospital built rapidly it is available.

The rest of the equipment can be distributed across the NHS hospitals which need it

Really they should now build a permanent building / stockpile that can act as a overflow and opened immediately in each of the locations. They would not need staffing just security.

One word we are looking for HINDSIGHT
Imagine if the virus had taken such a hold and the NHS over run
Then the title of this thread would have been THEY SHOULD HAVE PREPARED BETTER

and where would the doctors and nurses have come from for these hospitals... they were never mentioned..

I think the important words that the bleaters should consider are "what if...?"

The authorities would have been remiss not to have put something like that in place and the fact it hasn't been used to its potential is something to be celebrated and not used as another stick to beat them

And the £166m estimate was for the 19 hospitals built in Wales; not just one...!

It's not only the field hospitals? If anyone as been to morriston hospital they have turned both patient waiting areas into ICU wards think finished last week at what cost with no patients in them I suspect? Guess not planning to have outpatient appointments in near future, also uhw as got very expensive isolation units built above concourse car park which was not finished other week at what cost with no patients going in probably... both are temporary so need spend x amount to turn back into previous use! Hindsight is great but were these two things nessasary so late into pandemic?

It's not only the field hospitals? If anyone as been to morriston hospital they have turned both patient waiting areas into ICU wards think finished last week at what cost with no patients in them I suspect? Guess not planning to have outpatient appointments in near future, also uhw as got very expensive isolation units built above concourse car park which was not finished other week at what cost with no patients going in probably... both are temporary so need spend x amount to turn back into previous use! Hindsight is great but were these two things nessasary so late into pandemic?

They should move them into empty units somewhere now so they are ready should we ever need them again in the future. Sounds like plenty of office blocks are going to be empty now so maybe use them.....

It's not only the field hospitals? If anyone as been to morriston hospital they have turned both patient waiting areas into ICU wards think finished last week at what cost with no patients in them I suspect? Guess not planning to have outpatient appointments in near future, also uhw as got very expensive isolation units built above concourse car park which was not finished other week at what cost with no patients going in probably... both are temporary so need spend x amount to turn back into previous use! Hindsight is great but were these two things nessasary so late into pandemic?

They should move them into empty units somewhere now so they are ready should we ever need them again in the future. Sounds like plenty of office blocks are going to be empty now so maybe use them.....

Well that's good idea but guessing they want the beds at the hospital otherwise wouldn't need them because as we know field hospitals in Wales not used ! Will say if your waiting to see a consultant will have to get really ill with your problem before get to see him when it may be to late! At moment only going to offer fone consultations not easy to do when trying to describe something wrong with you..

I think the important words that the bleaters should consider are "what if...?"

The authorities would have been remiss not to have put something like that in place and the fact it hasn't been used to its potential is something to be celebrated and not used as another stick to beat them

And the £166m estimate was for the 19 hospitals built in Wales; not just one...!

£166 million pound on a what if.... that's not bleating its probably the most expensive mistake in our history... but never mind keep following the science that managed to get it THAT WRONG.....like sheep ?

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It's not only the field hospitals? If anyone as been to morriston hospital they have turned both patient waiting areas into ICU wards think finished last week at what cost with no patients in them I suspect? Guess not planning to have outpatient appointments in near future, also uhw as got very expensive isolation units built above concourse car park which was not finished other week at what cost with no patients going in probably... both are temporary so need spend x amount to turn back into previous use! Hindsight is great but were these two things nessasary so late into pandemic?

They should move them into empty units somewhere now so they are ready should we ever need them again in the future. Sounds like plenty of office blocks are going to be empty now so maybe use them.....

Well that's good idea but guessing they want the beds at the hospital otherwise wouldn't need them because as we know field hospitals in Wales not used ! Will say if your waiting to see a consultant will have to get really ill with your problem before get to see him when it may be to late! At moment only going to offer fone consultations not easy to do when trying to describe something wrong with you..

Why cant they turn these field hospitals into A&E .
Like goats said, use up a empty office block for accident and emergency units freeing up the main hospitals

It's not only the field hospitals? If anyone as been to morriston hospital they have turned both patient waiting areas into ICU wards think finished last week at what cost with no patients in them I suspect? Guess not planning to have outpatient appointments in near future, also uhw as got very expensive isolation units built above concourse car park which was not finished other week at what cost with no patients going in probably... both are temporary so need spend x amount to turn back into previous use! Hindsight is great but were these two things nessasary so late into pandemic?

They should move them into empty units somewhere now so they are ready should we ever need them again in the future. Sounds like plenty of office blocks are going to be empty now so maybe use them.....

Well that's good idea but guessing they want the beds at the hospital otherwise wouldn't need them because as we know field hospitals in Wales not used ! Will say if your waiting to see a consultant will have to get really ill with your problem before get to see him when it may be to late! At moment only going to offer fone consultations not easy to do when trying to describe something wrong with you..

Why cant they turn these field hospitals into A&E .
Like goats said, use up a empty office block for accident and emergency units freeing up the main hospitals

they were closing A & E s mate... and many of the field hospitals A} are make shift and not built to the standard youd expect for a hospital and B} have a primary use which was not covid which I assume they will revert too...

It's not only the field hospitals? If anyone as been to morriston hospital they have turned both patient waiting areas into ICU wards think finished last week at what cost with no patients in them I suspect? Guess not planning to have outpatient appointments in near future, also uhw as got very expensive isolation units built above concourse car park which was not finished other week at what cost with no patients going in probably... both are temporary so need spend x amount to turn back into previous use! Hindsight is great but were these two things nessasary so late into pandemic?

They should move them into empty units somewhere now so they are ready should we ever need them again in the future. Sounds like plenty of office blocks are going to be empty now so maybe use them.....

Well that's good idea but guessing they want the beds at the hospital otherwise wouldn't need them because as we know field hospitals in Wales not used ! Will say if your waiting to see a consultant will have to get really ill with your problem before get to see him when it may be to late! At moment only going to offer fone consultations not easy to do when trying to describe something wrong with you..

Why cant they turn these field hospitals into A&E .
Like goats said, use up a empty office block for accident and emergency units freeing up the main hospitals

they were closing A & E s mate... and many of the field hospitals A} are make shift and not built to the standard youd expect for a hospital and B} have a primary use which was not covid which I assume they will revert too...

They were fitted with ventilators and only use ventilators on ICU or other high dependency units So standards were high! Some hospitals came close to having full ICU but it never went to full capacity in wales , the problem now is the strategy of closing hospitals except for emergency operations as resulted in a backlog of all services that is going to take several years to clear if at all..

It's not only the field hospitals? If anyone as been to morriston hospital they have turned both patient waiting areas into ICU wards think finished last week at what cost with no patients in them I suspect? Guess not planning to have outpatient appointments in near future, also uhw as got very expensive isolation units built above concourse car park which was not finished other week at what cost with no patients going in probably... both are temporary so need spend x amount to turn back into previous use! Hindsight is great but were these two things nessasary so late into pandemic?

They should move them into empty units somewhere now so they are ready should we ever need them again in the future. Sounds like plenty of office blocks are going to be empty now so maybe use them.....

Well that's good idea but guessing they want the beds at the hospital otherwise wouldn't need them because as we know field hospitals in Wales not used ! Will say if your waiting to see a consultant will have to get really ill with your problem before get to see him when it may be to late! At moment only going to offer fone consultations not easy to do when trying to describe something wrong with you..

Why cant they turn these field hospitals into A&E .
Like goats said, use up a empty office block for accident and emergency units freeing up the main hospitals

they were closing A & E s mate... and many of the field hospitals A} are make shift and not built to the standard youd expect for a hospital and B} have a primary use which was not covid which I assume they will revert too...

They were fitted with ventilators and only use ventilators on ICU or other high dependency units So standards were high! Some hospitals came close to having full ICU but it never went to full capacity in wales , the problem now is the strategy of closing hospitals except for emergency operations as resulted in a backlog of all services that is going to take several years to clear if at all..

if you want to believe these converted training barns etc are up to normal hospital standard go take a look... they are what they are temporary white elephants...

It's not only the field hospitals? If anyone as been to morriston hospital they have turned both patient waiting areas into ICU wards think finished last week at what cost with no patients in them I suspect? Guess not planning to have outpatient appointments in near future, also uhw as got very expensive isolation units built above concourse car park which was not finished other week at what cost with no patients going in probably... both are temporary so need spend x amount to turn back into previous use! Hindsight is great but were these two things nessasary so late into pandemic?

They should move them into empty units somewhere now so they are ready should we ever need them again in the future. Sounds like plenty of office blocks are going to be empty now so maybe use them.....

Well that's good idea but guessing they want the beds at the hospital otherwise wouldn't need them because as we know field hospitals in Wales not used ! Will say if your waiting to see a consultant will have to get really ill with your problem before get to see him when it may be to late! At moment only going to offer fone consultations not easy to do when trying to describe something wrong with you..

Why cant they turn these field hospitals into A&E .
Like goats said, use up a empty office block for accident and emergency units freeing up the main hospitals

they were closing A & E s mate... and many of the field hospitals A} are make shift and not built to the standard youd expect for a hospital and B} have a primary use which was not covid which I assume they will revert too...

They were fitted with ventilators and only use ventilators on ICU or other high dependency units So standards were high! Some hospitals came close to having full ICU but it never went to full capacity in wales , the problem now is the strategy of closing hospitals except for emergency operations as resulted in a backlog of all services that is going to take several years to clear if at all..

if you want to believe these converted training barns etc are up to normal hospital standard go take a look... they are what they are temporary white elephants...

Not upto normal standards never said they were? I said were high standards and they would need to be to use ventilators ect ...can say same about the temporary things at hospitals I mentioned.. they are what they are temporary.

Fixing up the palace of Westminster is a staggering £7billion.
Dragons heart and the other field hospitals were a necessary gamble. The Heath came within a week of reaching maximum capacity. At it's peak coronavirus was doubling every 3.5 days. If the virus didn't peak when it did we'd have been desperate for the field hospitals. Imagine the moaners on here if our hospitals were being overrun and Wales didn't have enough capacity while England and Scotland did. Let's be honest the Welsh Government can't do anything right in the eyes of the obvious right wing majority on here. But at the end of the day when you look at excess deaths during the coronavirus period Wales is doing far better than England per head of population.
Obviously the cautious approach is paying off whether or not you agree with it.

And Westminster can't do anything right in your eyes.

Testing levels lowest in UK. Miles off target.
More positive cases than the rest of the UK.
Schools unable to open.

Please tell us where you think Wales have got it right?

I did mate. Cautious approach has resulted in far less excess deaths per head of population than in England. Westminster is a mess. So many u-turns they will disappear up their own arse!!:thumbup:

Fixing up the palace of Westminster is a staggering £7billion.
Dragons heart and the other field hospitals were a necessary gamble. The Heath came within a week of reaching maximum capacity. At it's peak coronavirus was doubling every 3.5 days. If the virus didn't peak when it did we'd have been desperate for the field hospitals. Imagine the moaners on here if our hospitals were being overrun and Wales didn't have enough capacity while England and Scotland did. Let's be honest the Welsh Government can't do anything right in the eyes of the obvious right wing majority on here. But at the end of the day when you look at excess deaths during the coronavirus period Wales is doing far better than England per head of population.
Obviously the cautious approach is paying off whether or not you agree with it.

And Westminster can't do anything right in your eyes.

Testing levels lowest in UK. Miles off target.
More positive cases than the rest of the UK.
Schools unable to open.

Please tell us where you think Wales have got it right?

I did mate. Cautious approach has resulted in far less excess deaths per head of population than in England. Westminster is a mess. So many u-turns they will disappear up their own arse!!:thumbup:

You cant compare the two really for a multitude of reasons, none of which appear to have entered your modest brain. Why not think prior to posting? At least a little.

Fixing up the palace of Westminster is a staggering £7billion.
Dragons heart and the other field hospitals were a necessary gamble. The Heath came within a week of reaching maximum capacity. At it's peak coronavirus was doubling every 3.5 days. If the virus didn't peak when it did we'd have been desperate for the field hospitals. Imagine the moaners on here if our hospitals were being overrun and Wales didn't have enough capacity while England and Scotland did. Let's be honest the Welsh Government can't do anything right in the eyes of the obvious right wing majority on here. But at the end of the day when you look at excess deaths during the coronavirus period Wales is doing far better than England per head of population.
Obviously the cautious approach is paying off whether or not you agree with it.

And Westminster can't do anything right in your eyes.

Testing levels lowest in UK. Miles off target.
More positive cases than the rest of the UK.
Schools unable to open.

Please tell us where you think Wales have got it right?

I did mate. Cautious approach has resulted in far less excess deaths per head of population than in England. Westminster is a mess. So many u-turns they will disappear up their own arse!!:thumbup:

You cant compare the two really for a multitude of reasons, none of which appear to have entered your modest brain. Why not think prior to posting? At least a little.

Drakeford as only made couple u turns and those were the important ones "TESTING" great to have less deaths from corvid per population shame will end up with more deaths through waiting for him to make decisions ! Not sure how can compare both countries considering the massive population differences But guess some can