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“ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:07 am

You would not see this in Rome , Spain etc

You cant destroy the truth or try to hide our history

For me me good and bad should be left for everyone to see and remember.

Worst though is destroying many of UK’s heroes from past World Wars and heroes that made the UK today .

Why should Winston Churchill’s statue have to be protected from these low life’s?



Over 60 police have been injured by these in my opinion racist groups themselves, I Hope everyone of them are charged and sent to prison.


Tomorrow’s demonstration should be zero tolerance and clamped down on the minute one bit of vandalism starts , not let them get away with it this time.
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Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:15 am

Statue of Queen Victoria

Totally defaced by these low life’s :cry:
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Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:23 am

This photo shames Britain.
The fact Sir Winston Churchill’s statue has had to be boarded up to stop people vandalising it is disgraceful.
He saved our country from the Nazis - and THIS is how we repay him? Appalling.
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Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:27 am

I couldn't agree more and whilst racism does exist it's nowhere near the level of America

Black and Asian men and women need to get on with there lives, stop going on about the past, they weren't alive then neither were we.

And Muslim people, maybe if more of them interacted there would not be this division.

Say hi to a Muslim lady today and see what the response is. I did as i walked past a lady in tesco yesterday, completely blanked me, I generally say hello to whoever I walk past as I'm friendly, 9 times out of 10 they are not friendly but stand of fish

Before you slate me, try it

I have but most not all don't want to know

It works both ways not just for people of colour

Just my opinion.

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:30 am

Controversial I know

But I bet any money that people of colour have more racists than white people, as I believe white people generally don't care about skin colour

And a lot just have one big chip on there shoulder

Just my opinion

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:33 am

Sickening and disgraceful.

Instead of pulling together as a nation as we face the greatest emergency since WW2 we have to erect these barricades to prevent mobs roaming our towns and cities desecrating statues of our history.

No matter how tenuous the links to the slave trade etc.

These inconsiderate protesting morons flouting lockdown measures are allowed to cause criminal damage whilst the police stand back and take a knee in the process!!

Statues and the like commemorating our past are now being covered and potentially removed for fear of offending probably 0.01% of the public.

We are on a slippery slope towards censorship, removing TV programmes like Fawlty Towers and the like once again for the abject and absurd fear of offending the SHOUTY MINORITY.

Meantime the vast MAJORITY appear to be in the wrong and should see sense and be glad to confirm no matter the cost.

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:35 am

I'm glad that the Colston statue has gone.However,I,m disgusted that war memorials are being defaced.

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:36 am

It's strange times

If this tiny minority don't like these programmes

I have a solution

DON'T F@@KING WATCH THEM THEN

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:39 am

stickywicket wrote:I'm glad that the Colston statue has gone.However,I,m disgusted that war memorials are being defaced.


I agree it should be gone

But surely it should be done the right way through the authorities.

I hate the Swansea badge but I can't just go to the ground and rip the sign down

Not on the same level I know, but it's not up to us to destroy statues or property we don't like

It sets a precedent and a very dangerous one.

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:41 am

One of the biggest problems with this snowflake generation is they want to be offended on OUR behalf!!

They relish the opportunity to scrutinise every aspect of everyday life with a manic zeal to highlight THEIR perceived injustices.

Most people just want to rub along, making a living and treat others as they themselves would like to be treated.

Not this lot. They just love a cause.

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:45 am

WHY? That is the main question now. Why are people defacing war memorials that are dedicated to the brave men and women of all races, colours religious beliefs who were joined together to fight a common enemy.

The Fascist!!
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Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:47 am

As usual its the radicals and plain idiots that ruin any messaging.

The world and especially America needs to have a look at itself and just ask "is society really what i would want it to be ?" And the the answer may make a few people uncomfortable and change a behaviour or attitude a little and we edge towards progress.

All the violence and crimes do is make people uneasy and fall back into the comfortable hands of tradition,habit and ritual.

BLM is many things, like most political movements. Brexit meant many things to many people. I am a lefty Brexiteer many are right wing lunatics ;) But the hard left actions will scare a fair proportion of those who drifted away from tango man back to him as its safer and more comfortable for them and then self awareness shutters come down.

Over here its a few usual suspects and a paint can. Boris is getting found out at the moment, but I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of Priti Patel. I wouldn't put it past her to bring back hanging

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:52 am

Foghorn65 wrote:One of the biggest problems with this snowflake generation is they want to be offended on OUR behalf!!

Spot on

Just roll with the punches I say and live and let live, life's not and never will be perfect.

I bumped into a mate I hadn't seen for a while, after the hello how you doing etc

He said

What's happened mate, your bald now, fat and look like you have aged 30 Years since I last seen you are you drinking to much etc

My first thought was do I nut him or not

But seriously he's just being honest, a little to honest mind as I thought I had the face of Beckham and the body of Ronaldo

But he's a mate who is saying look you let yourself go so sort it.

I didn't like his comment but I accept it and we are still and always will be good mates

Life is not a fairytail without issue





They relish the opportunity to scrutinise every aspect of everyday life with a manic zeal to highlight THEIR perceived injustices.

Most people just want to rub along, making a living and treat others as they themselves would like to be treated.

Not this lot. They just love a cause.

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:54 am

Forever Blue wrote:WHY? That is the main question now. Why are people defacing war memorials that are dedicated to the brave men and women of all races, colours religious beliefs who were joined together to fight a common enemy.

The Fascist!!


Why?

Because they are running out of any form of racist material to attack us with.

They are just pathetic

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:24 pm

Forever Blue wrote:WHY? That is the main question now. Why are people defacing war memorials that are dedicated to the brave men and women of all races, colours religious beliefs who were joined together to fight a common enemy.

The Fascist!!


Annis, it just defies belief!!

It’s starting to get out of hand now, Boris and his cronies needs to man up and give the police and the courts some real powers and backing.

These people (cowards) don’t speak for me and don’t speak for 95% of the population.

They are just gutless vandals and should be punished accordingly

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:40 pm

One of the many problems is the police chiefs.

They see box ticking as a priority NOT effective policing such as keeping the public safe, arresting law breakers and upholding the peace.

The Frontline Bobby is woefully short of guidance. They probably want to do proper police work but are stifled by bureaucracy.

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:42 pm

Citysince72 wrote:Controversial I know

But I bet any money that people of colour have more racists than white people, as I believe white people generally don't care about skin colour

And a lot just have one big chip on there shoulder

Just my opinion



https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -far-right

no mate... turn up and destroy monuments and attack police = peaceful protest...
turn up to defend monuments = far right hate group hooligans..

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:45 pm

Get out people and help protect these monuments by you. Plenty at risk. Don’t sit on your backsides and do nothing but moan on here get out and protect our history and what our forefathers died giving us.
Anything else is a disgrace :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:52 pm

skidemin wrote:
Citysince72 wrote:Controversial I know

But I bet any money that people of colour have more racists than white people, as I believe white people generally don't care about skin colour

And a lot just have one big chip on there shoulder

Just my opinion



https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -far-right

no mate... turn up and destroy monuments and attack police = peaceful protest...
turn up to defend monuments = far right hate group hooligans..



Saw Khan describing groups wanting to protect statues as far right trouble makers out to hijack peaceful protest! Nothing like a politician to calm things down? :banghead:

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:54 pm

Half a mile from my home we have a monument to the fallen of both World Wars.

As part of a dedicated group of volunteers we clean up the monument and surrounding area.

I find it inconceivable that anyone could or would want to dishonour their memory AND will have no hesitation to tell them so!

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:03 pm

oohahhPaulMillar wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:WHY? That is the main question now. Why are people defacing war memorials that are dedicated to the brave men and women of all races, colours religious beliefs who were joined together to fight a common enemy.

The Fascist!!


Annis, it just defies belief!!

It’s starting to get out of hand now, Boris and his cronies needs to man up and give the police and the courts some real powers and backing.

These people (cowards) don’t speak for me and don’t speak for 95% of the population.

They are just gutless vandals and should be punished accordingly




Totally Totally agree with you and Boris, should take a firm hand and ban this as it’s nothing to do with race, this is now mindless morons intent on causing trouble and wrecking our proud history :cry:

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:07 pm

Come on, it's not just about statues is it. The issue lies with ignorance by one section of the population and hatred by others. The British Empire like it or not was forged by colonialization, plundering resources, slavery, murder and carnage in many countries. But how many people realise this? Because it’s not taught we are oblivious and are told of the ‘glorious days of rule.’ But it wasn’t glorious at all if you happened to be a native of India during the Raj or a west African native transported half way across the world or Irish during the genocide… Kenya, Burma, Malaya the list goes on. Symbols that celebrate these acts are only putting salt on the wound.

When this history is known and understood by our population only then can we move forward. When an addict has a problem the first steps to recovery is to admit that there is a problem. We need to put our hands up admit that great wrongs were made in the past and hopefully move on together.

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Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:11 pm

Slightly of topic but in liverpool penny lane signs have been dorbed with banner "racist" because people think its referring to a slave trader.... and the slavery museum in liverpool are investigating the names origin and will consult black community about what to do? Is that not racial discrimination to exclude other races? It's the city's heritage doesn't belong to one group of people.. :roll:

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:22 pm

BlueGog wrote:Come on, it's not just about statues is it. The issue lies with ignorance by one section of the population and hatred by others. The British Empire like it or not was forged by colonialization, plundering resources, slavery, murder and carnage in many countries. But how many people realise this? Because it’s not taught we are oblivious and are told of the ‘glorious days of rule.’ But it wasn’t glorious at all if you happened to be a native of India during the Raj or a west African native transported half way across the world or Irish during the genocide… Kenya, Burma, Malaya the list goes on. Symbols that celebrate these acts are only putting salt on the wound.

When this history is known and understood by our population only then can we move forward. When an addict has a problem the first steps to recovery is to admit that there is a problem. We need to put our hands up admit that great wrongs were made in the past and hopefully move on together.


Point taken

But we all realise what happened, isn't it the past. We make mistakes and so do we have to be reminded of it decades after it happened.

I think not.

You can mention the bad done to blacks till the cows come, this was the past

What about the present, middle aged white farmers in Africa being forced out of there homes by black gangs

Asian mostly Muslim men raping our kids

52% of black people in America responsible for murders yet they only have 6% of black people in the country.

What about all the non black killed by black people

And why are blacks knifing blacks in London, is it the past? Is it as there hard done by

Or more like who owns the drug patches

We can sling mud all day

Fact is these morons are out to divide, create a race war and if we continue making excuses then the country is doomed.

It's HISTORY
PAST HISTORY, good or bad

LET IT GO

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:40 pm

Citysince72 wrote:
BlueGog wrote:Come on, it's not just about statues is it. The issue lies with ignorance by one section of the population and hatred by others. The British Empire like it or not was forged by colonialization, plundering resources, slavery, murder and carnage in many countries. But how many people realise this? Because it’s not taught we are oblivious and are told of the ‘glorious days of rule.’ But it wasn’t glorious at all if you happened to be a native of India during the Raj or a west African native transported half way across the world or Irish during the genocide… Kenya, Burma, Malaya the list goes on. Symbols that celebrate these acts are only putting salt on the wound.

When this history is known and understood by our population only then can we move forward. When an addict has a problem the first steps to recovery is to admit that there is a problem. We need to put our hands up admit that great wrongs were made in the past and hopefully move on together.


Point taken

But we all realise what happened, isn't it the past. We make mistakes and so do we have to be reminded of it decades after it happened.

I think not.

You can mention the bad done to blacks till the cows come, this was the past

What about the present, middle aged white farmers in Africa being forced out of there homes by black gangs

Asian mostly Muslim men raping our kids

52% of black people in America responsible for murders yet they only have 6% of black people in the country.

What about all the non black killed by black people

And why are blacks knifing blacks in London, is it the past? Is it as there hard done by

Or more like who owns the drug patches

We can sling mud all day

Fact is these morons are out to divide, create a race war and if we continue making excuses then the country is doomed.

It's HISTORY
PAST HISTORY, good or bad

LET IT GO


You've got to learn from the history, learn from the mistakes so that they don't happen again. That's the problem, we haven't!

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:57 pm

BlueGog wrote:Come on, it's not just about statues is it. The issue lies with ignorance by one section of the population and hatred by others. The British Empire like it or not was forged by colonialization, plundering resources, slavery, murder and carnage in many countries. But how many people realise this? Because it’s not taught we are oblivious and are told of the ‘glorious days of rule.’ But it wasn’t glorious at all if you happened to be a native of India during the Raj or a west African native transported half way across the world or Irish during the genocide… Kenya, Burma, Malaya the list goes on. Symbols that celebrate these acts are only putting salt on the wound.

When this history is known and understood by our population only then can we move forward. When an addict has a problem the first steps to recovery is to admit that there is a problem. We need to put our hands up admit that great wrongs were made in the past and hopefully move on together.


A very one eyed narrative but not surprising. In many cases millions of people’s lives were improved, and murder was prevented. And many of these countries collapsed into civil war and starvation upon independence. You just seem unable to recognise any balanced view.

My old man spent 10 years in Africa, building schools, hospitals, roads etc. When he went back, it was all in ruins. It’s part of the same history. But it doesn’t suit you to recognise it... part of your addiction perhaps.

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:00 pm

BlueGog wrote:Come on, it's not just about statues is it. The issue lies with ignorance by one section of the population and hatred by others. The British Empire like it or not was forged by colonialization, plundering resources, slavery, murder and carnage in many countries. But how many people realise this? Because it’s not taught we are oblivious and are told of the ‘glorious days of rule.’ But it wasn’t glorious at all if you happened to be a native of India during the Raj or a west African native transported half way across the world or Irish during the genocide… Kenya, Burma, Malaya the list goes on. Symbols that celebrate these acts are only putting salt on the wound.

When this history is known and understood by our population only then can we move forward. When an addict has a problem the first steps to recovery is to admit that there is a problem. We need to put our hands up admit that great wrongs were made in the past and hopefully move on together.



I live in a democracy that my grandparents and great grand parents fought for.. want to change something, well campaign. get votes, a petition..
as an ironic side note.. the majority of black people protesting are the descendants not of slaves but of people who chose to come here..

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:05 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Citysince72 wrote:
BlueGog wrote:Come on, it's not just about statues is it. The issue lies with ignorance by one section of the population and hatred by others. The British Empire like it or not was forged by colonialization, plundering resources, slavery, murder and carnage in many countries. But how many people realise this? Because it’s not taught we are oblivious and are told of the ‘glorious days of rule.’ But it wasn’t glorious at all if you happened to be a native of India during the Raj or a west African native transported half way across the world or Irish during the genocide… Kenya, Burma, Malaya the list goes on. Symbols that celebrate these acts are only putting salt on the wound.

When this history is known and understood by our population only then can we move forward. When an addict has a problem the first steps to recovery is to admit that there is a problem. We need to put our hands up admit that great wrongs were made in the past and hopefully move on together.


Point taken

But we all realise what happened, isn't it the past. We make mistakes and so do we have to be reminded of it decades after it happened.

I think not.

You can mention the bad done to blacks till the cows come, this was the past

What about the present, middle aged white farmers in Africa being forced out of there homes by black gangs

Asian mostly Muslim men raping our kids

52% of black people in America responsible for murders yet they only have 6% of black people in the country.

What about all the non black killed by black people

And why are blacks knifing blacks in London, is it the past? Is it as there hard done by

Or more like who owns the drug patches

We can sling mud all day

Fact is these morons are out to divide, create a race war and if we continue making excuses then the country is doomed.

It's HISTORY
PAST HISTORY, good or bad

LET IT GO


You've got to learn from the history, learn from the mistakes so that they don't happen again. That's the problem, we haven't!


I disagree totally, definitely in the UK

It's been rammed down our throats for decades,

I'm sick of it and I guarantee most white and black people are to.

Past can't be changed but we have learnt from it in my opinion

It's just the minority haven't and want to play the victim card

No slaves about these days is it, unless you include the 4 wives of many Muslims in the far East

Who do as there told

But the left, feminists racists don't talk about that do they

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:12 pm

rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:Come on, it's not just about statues is it. The issue lies with ignorance by one section of the population and hatred by others. The British Empire like it or not was forged by colonialization, plundering resources, slavery, murder and carnage in many countries. But how many people realise this? Because it’s not taught we are oblivious and are told of the ‘glorious days of rule.’ But it wasn’t glorious at all if you happened to be a native of India during the Raj or a west African native transported half way across the world or Irish during the genocide… Kenya, Burma, Malaya the list goes on. Symbols that celebrate these acts are only putting salt on the wound.

When this history is known and understood by our population only then can we move forward. When an addict has a problem the first steps to recovery is to admit that there is a problem. We need to put our hands up admit that great wrongs were made in the past and hopefully move on together.


A very one eyed narrative but not surprising. In many cases millions of people’s lives were improved, and murder was prevented. And many of these countries collapsed into civil war and starvation upon independence. You just seem unable to recognise any balanced view.

My old man spent 10 years in Africa, building schools, hospitals, roads etc. When he went back, it was all in ruins. It’s part of the same history. But it doesn’t suit you to recognise it... part of your addiction perhaps.


Cracking point mate

For every thing a white man done wrong so has a black man

How can we move on if the people now moaning about it despite the fact they werent alive don't let it go.

I bet your old man was gutted after all the years and labour he put into it.

Re: “ These are Sad times in the UK “

Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:47 pm

Citysince72 wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:Come on, it's not just about statues is it. The issue lies with ignorance by one section of the population and hatred by others. The British Empire like it or not was forged by colonialization, plundering resources, slavery, murder and carnage in many countries. But how many people realise this? Because it’s not taught we are oblivious and are told of the ‘glorious days of rule.’ But it wasn’t glorious at all if you happened to be a native of India during the Raj or a west African native transported half way across the world or Irish during the genocide… Kenya, Burma, Malaya the list goes on. Symbols that celebrate these acts are only putting salt on the wound.

When this history is known and understood by our population only then can we move forward. When an addict has a problem the first steps to recovery is to admit that there is a problem. We need to put our hands up admit that great wrongs were made in the past and hopefully move on together.


A very one eyed narrative but not surprising. In many cases millions of people’s lives were improved, and murder was prevented. And many of these countries collapsed into civil war and starvation upon independence. You just seem unable to recognise any balanced view.
My old man spent 10 years in Africa, building schools, hospitals, roads etc. When he went back, it was all in ruins. It’s part of the same history. But it doesn’t suit you to recognise it... part of your addiction perhaps.


Cracking point mate

For every thing a white man done wrong so has a black man

How can we move on if the people now moaning about it despite the fact they werent alive don't let it go.

I bet your old man was gutted after all the years and labour he put into it.


As I said we need to learn in order to move on, obviously we haven't...