Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:52 pm
Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:28 pm
Forever Blue wrote::evil:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:34 pm
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:40 pm
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:41 pm
CityBlue93 wrote:That's a statue of Robert Lee, the slave owning confederate soldier.
Statues of Robert Lee have only a couple of years ago been used as a meeting place for KKK rallies as he's somewhat of a favourite amongst that type of people.
In terms of what this vandalism has achieved, it has renewed talk in government there about getting this statue removed and looks like it will now be getting removed from it's current location.
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:43 pm
Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:49 pm
CityBlue93 wrote:That's a statue of Robert Lee, the slave owning confederate soldier.
Statues of Robert Lee have only a couple of years ago been used as a meeting place for KKK rallies as he's somewhat of a favourite amongst that type of people.
In terms of what this vandalism has achieved, it has renewed talk in government there about getting this statue removed and looks like it will now be getting removed from it's current location.
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:26 pm
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 pm
bluesince62 wrote:CityBlue93 wrote:That's a statue of Robert Lee, the slave owning confederate soldier.
Statues of Robert Lee have only a couple of years ago been used as a meeting place for KKK rallies as he's somewhat of a favourite amongst that type of people.
In terms of what this vandalism has achieved, it has renewed talk in government there about getting this statue removed and looks like it will now be getting removed from it's current location.
I don't think many knew who that statue was of in truth,but you are spot on,its been targeted for his link to slavery,it should be removed completely imho.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:09 am
philrogers wrote:You cannot rewrite history.
Its like changing the name of the Colston Hall in Bristol becuase Colston was connected to the slave trade. Yes, he was, and it was a perfectly legitimate occupation in that historical moment.
Robert E Lee was a General in the Confederate Army which fought the Civil War for two reasons. Yes to keep slavesd but also (and this why Texas was in the Confederacy) to allow any state that wished to to secede from the Union.
By all means protest against racism and predjudice in all its forms. Racism is abhorrent. But do not pretend that history didnt happen.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:18 am
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:45 am
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:40 am
Bakedalasker wrote:What America first did when they won the Iraq war was remove all statues of Saddam Hussien. He was a leader of a cruel regime. The same can be said of this General so why is this statue there?
Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:06 am
BLUECHUGGY wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:What America first did when they won the Iraq war was remove all statues of Saddam Hussien. He was a leader of a cruel regime. The same can be said of this General so why is this statue there?
A very good point indeed
Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:11 am
piledriver64 wrote:BLUECHUGGY wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:What America first did when they won the Iraq war was remove all statues of Saddam Hussien. He was a leader of a cruel regime. The same can be said of this General so why is this statue there?
A very good point indeed
Absolutely, I find it very disappointing that some people on here can't even recognise how a statue of this guy could cause offence. I don't endorse the vandalism but I do understand why the protestors felt it necessary to make their point.
And actually, in terms of not re-writing history how many statues of Hitler are there in Germany ? I could go on all around the world with similar examples but not worth the effort as people already seem to have made up their minds on this topic.
The lack of empathy for black people exhibited by some people on this thread, and others, is so disappointing in this day and age.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:14 am
LaBamba wrote:It's not rewriting history to have a shrine to someone who killed thousands and attempted to keep thousands in chains removed. Statues are to celebrate someones story... that's not a story which needs celebrating
Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:19 am
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:BLUECHUGGY wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:What America first did when they won the Iraq war was remove all statues of Saddam Hussien. He was a leader of a cruel regime. The same can be said of this General so why is this statue there?
A very good point indeed
Absolutely, I find it very disappointing that some people on here can't even recognise how a statue of this guy could cause offence. I don't endorse the vandalism but I do understand why the protestors felt it necessary to make their point.
And actually, in terms of not re-writing history how many statues of Hitler are there in Germany ? I could go on all around the world with similar examples but not worth the effort as people already seem to have made up their minds on this topic.
The lack of empathy for black people exhibited by some people on this thread, and others, is so disappointing in this day and age.
I agree with you mate. I’m pleased that something will eventually be done to ensure equality and an end to police brutality. However I think some of that empathy goes out of the window when pictures are shown of hundreds of black people taking the opportunity to loot and attack innocent people.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:22 am
piledriver64 wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:BLUECHUGGY wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:What America first did when they won the Iraq war was remove all statues of Saddam Hussien. He was a leader of a cruel regime. The same can be said of this General so why is this statue there?
A very good point indeed
Absolutely, I find it very disappointing that some people on here can't even recognise how a statue of this guy could cause offence. I don't endorse the vandalism but I do understand why the protestors felt it necessary to make their point.
And actually, in terms of not re-writing history how many statues of Hitler are there in Germany ? I could go on all around the world with similar examples but not worth the effort as people already seem to have made up their minds on this topic.
The lack of empathy for black people exhibited by some people on this thread, and others, is so disappointing in this day and age.
I agree with you mate. I’m pleased that something will eventually be done to ensure equality and an end to police brutality. However I think some of that empathy goes out of the window when pictures are shown of hundreds of black people taking the opportunity to loot and attack innocent people.
Yep, no way looting and attacks on innocents can be defended and actually weakens the movement. However, that does seem to be dying down and the leaders of the demonstrations have been very vocal in trying to stop it.
Let's hope that doesn't deflect from the real argument.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:59 am
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:I agree with you mate. I’m pleased that something will eventually be done to ensure equality and an end to police brutality. However I think some of that empathy goes out of the window when pictures are shown of hundreds of black people taking the opportunity to loot and attack innocent people.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:11 am
YDdraigGwyn wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:I agree with you mate. I’m pleased that something will eventually be done to ensure equality and an end to police brutality. However I think some of that empathy goes out of the window when pictures are shown of hundreds of black people taking the opportunity to loot and attack innocent people.
I just think this whole saga has been hijacked by race when I still don’t know how it qualifies as a race problem. It’s a police brutality problem, a problem that has taken the lives of all races.
This was a chance for ALL people to stand up for ALL victims of this. But yet again identity politics and social justice takes over and the focus is now completely off the topic that needs to be fought and it becomes a white vs black issue yet again.
What happened to George Floyd is sickening beyond belief and was a chance for real change. Just concerned all that is going out the window by the day, we don’t want his death to be for nothing. Change needs to happen and the focus on the police and their lack of de-escalation skills as well as harsh punishments for any police that break or bend the law in order to get some power buzz at the expense of others.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:16 am
piledriver64 wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:BLUECHUGGY wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:What America first did when they won the Iraq war was remove all statues of Saddam Hussien. He was a leader of a cruel regime. The same can be said of this General so why is this statue there?
A very good point indeed
Absolutely, I find it very disappointing that some people on here can't even recognise how a statue of this guy could cause offence. I don't endorse the vandalism but I do understand why the protestors felt it necessary to make their point.
And actually, in terms of not re-writing history how many statues of Hitler are there in Germany ? I could go on all around the world with similar examples but not worth the effort as people already seem to have made up their minds on this topic.
The lack of empathy for black people exhibited by some people on this thread, and others, is so disappointing in this day and age.
I agree with you mate. I’m pleased that something will eventually be done to ensure equality and an end to police brutality. However I think some of that empathy goes out of the window when pictures are shown of hundreds of black people taking the opportunity to loot and attack innocent people.
Yep, no way looting and attacks on innocents can be defended and actually weakens the movement. However, that does seem to be dying down and the leaders of the demonstrations have been very vocal in trying to stop it.
Let's hope that doesn't deflect from the real argument.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:19 am
Bakedalasker wrote:What America first did when they won the Iraq war was remove all statues of Saddam Hussien. He was a leader of a cruel regime. The same can be said of this General so why is this statue there?
Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:22 am
piledriver64 wrote:YDdraigGwyn wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:I agree with you mate. I’m pleased that something will eventually be done to ensure equality and an end to police brutality. However I think some of that empathy goes out of the window when pictures are shown of hundreds of black people taking the opportunity to loot and attack innocent people.
I just think this whole saga has been hijacked by race when I still don’t know how it qualifies as a race problem. It’s a police brutality problem, a problem that has taken the lives of all races.
This was a chance for ALL people to stand up for ALL victims of this. But yet again identity politics and social justice takes over and the focus is now completely off the topic that needs to be fought and it becomes a white vs black issue yet again.
What happened to George Floyd is sickening beyond belief and was a chance for real change. Just concerned all that is going out the window by the day, we don’t want his death to be for nothing. Change needs to happen and the focus on the police and their lack of de-escalation skills as well as harsh punishments for any police that break or bend the law in order to get some power buzz at the expense of others.
To a point you are, of course, right about general police brutality.
However, just look at the disproportionality of the numbers of black people dying in police custody to understand why the main problem has to be racism against the black community. There is a problem there that needs sorting.
Important that I make the distinction between those in police custody and those shot as a result of gun/gang crime, that's a whole different conversation !
Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:30 am
Bakedalasker wrote:What America first did when they won the Iraq war was remove all statues of Saddam Hussien. He was a leader of a cruel regime. The same can be said of this General so why is this statue there?
Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:58 am
rumpo kid wrote:LaBamba wrote:It's not rewriting history to have a shrine to someone who killed thousands and attempted to keep thousands in chains removed. Statues are to celebrate someones story... that's not a story which needs celebrating
Why stop there... remove the pyramids and colosseum, melt down Tutankhamun and destroy all the statues of the Emperors.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:15 am
YDdraigGwyn wrote:piledriver64 wrote:YDdraigGwyn wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:I agree with you mate. I’m pleased that something will eventually be done to ensure equality and an end to police brutality. However I think some of that empathy goes out of the window when pictures are shown of hundreds of black people taking the opportunity to loot and attack innocent people.
I just think this whole saga has been hijacked by race when I still don’t know how it qualifies as a race problem. It’s a police brutality problem, a problem that has taken the lives of all races.
This was a chance for ALL people to stand up for ALL victims of this. But yet again identity politics and social justice takes over and the focus is now completely off the topic that needs to be fought and it becomes a white vs black issue yet again.
What happened to George Floyd is sickening beyond belief and was a chance for real change. Just concerned all that is going out the window by the day, we don’t want his death to be for nothing. Change needs to happen and the focus on the police and their lack of de-escalation skills as well as harsh punishments for any police that break or bend the law in order to get some power buzz at the expense of others.
To a point you are, of course, right about general police brutality.
However, just look at the disproportionality of the numbers of black people dying in police custody to understand why the main problem has to be racism against the black community. There is a problem there that needs sorting.
Important that I make the distinction between those in police custody and those shot as a result of gun/gang crime, that's a whole different conversation !
I had a look yesterday on some stats and it seemed a similar proportion to me of all races that get killed by police in proportion to that races contribution to the countries crime rate. But this didn’t really specify “in police custody” as such, it was just killings by police. It was something like 35% of violent crimes committed by black people and they made up 33% of the police killings - something to that affect.
I just think it’s bizarre the world has now seemingly taken this as a racially motivated murder. You can’t judge the motivation of a crime based on the victims skin colour. It looks like a power issue to me, the crowd telling him to back off, him refusing and feeling if he did he would be backing down. Scary that someone would commit such an act in order not to lose face. Power is such a potent thing, it’s like a drug.
I honestly find the way it’s being protested quite divisive. Saying “this is a black problem” and “you don’t understand unless you are us” and I think Michelle Obama has actually said something along the lines of “why is this only a problem that African American families have to face?”. It’s so disrespectful to the victims and victims family of the vast majority of these cases.
About 1000 people get killed by police every year. About 700 of which are white. Had my son been killed by the police and I was being told “It’s a black problem and I don’t know what it’s like” - I would be furious.
Why everyone can’t fight for everyone I will never know.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:18 am
Jock wrote:None of the SJWs have responded to this because in there universe everything that’s wrong with the World is the white mans fault and inter tribal slavery never existed in Africa.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:20 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Jock wrote:None of the SJWs have responded to this because in there universe everything that’s wrong with the World is the white mans fault and inter tribal slavery never existed in Africa.
I was listening to the radio the other day and some spokesman who represents some diversity organisation made an incredible statement that inter tribal slavery had never happened in Africa.