Forever Blue wrote:Opinions on children going back to school?
I actually wish my daughters were going back to Spanish school , 6 months off hmmm?
They are in state school, but from today I have paid through the Spanish system 150euros for the whole month of June 2hrs a day for Maths and Catalan lessons with just 3 children per class.
Personally I don’t agree the main schools being closed now as the state schools are already half the size of the UK state ones. But we have to respect their decision.
Spain yesterday
2 covid related deaths
80 new Covid cases
Lockdown extended 2 weeks
Schools return in September
UK yesterday
113 covid related deaths
8000 new cases
Lockdown eased
Schools go back TODAY
Hmmmmm
Foghorn65 wrote:The importance of education is not lost of me BUT since I've been blessed to have a child now aged 7, I am terrified to send him outside.
We have been attempting home schooling which I know is nowhere near the real thing.
So much uncertainty hardly assuaging my fears.
He's staying home.
Foghorn65 wrote:The importance of education is not lost of me BUT since I've been blessed to have a child now aged 7, I am terrified to send him outside.
We have been attempting home schooling which I know is nowhere near the real thing.
So much uncertainty hardly assuaging my fears.
He's staying home.
epping blue wrote:Its being led to some extent by each schools governing body which will on the face of it make it look like a very inconsistent approach. On the whole they're a cautious but quite often a dominant figure supporting one or the other views will sway the decision.
Lets be honest if it was down to purely risk of serious sickness or worse to the child then there'd be little excuse for not opening up immediately and to greater extent than currently planned. The risk to the child certainly at primary level is as close to zero as it can be. But clearly there's the staff and they're being asked to consider the local transmission risk as well.
So for instance our local school decided yesterday to delay opening tomorrow for a couple of weeks when they can adjust the wording of the risk assessments and amend some procedures. Mainly they biding time in the hope the infection rate falls. I think they could have opened in the limited way proposed, low risk to the kids, youngish staff, few BAME kids and no BAME staff. No children or staff use public transport to access the school. Testing facilities available within 5 miles. If we cant start here now, then I don't see how they start 10 miles away in the East London at any time.
I'm not wholly against not re starting though. As much as I think we need to start moving towards some normality if the schools didn't go back until Sept. it wouldn't be a massive issue. If it helps keep the transmission rate down then maybe its worth it. Government are quite rightly worried the vulnerable children though. Despite being allowed to school, generally they are not attending. Nobodies seeing them and the chances of picking up on the signs of abuse are almost nil.
Bluebina wrote:epping blue wrote:Its being led to some extent by each schools governing body which will on the face of it make it look like a very inconsistent approach. On the whole they're a cautious but quite often a dominant figure supporting one or the other views will sway the decision.
Lets be honest if it was down to purely risk of serious sickness or worse to the child then there'd be little excuse for not opening up immediately and to greater extent than currently planned. The risk to the child certainly at primary level is as close to zero as it can be. But clearly there's the staff and they're being asked to consider the local transmission risk as well.
So for instance our local school decided yesterday to delay opening tomorrow for a couple of weeks when they can adjust the wording of the risk assessments and amend some procedures. Mainly they biding time in the hope the infection rate falls. I think they could have opened in the limited way proposed, low risk to the kids, youngish staff, few BAME kids and no BAME staff. No children or staff use public transport to access the school. Testing facilities available within 5 miles. If we cant start here now, then I don't see how they start 10 miles away in the East London at any time.
I'm not wholly against not re starting though. As much as I think we need to start moving towards some normality if the schools didn't go back until Sept. it wouldn't be a massive issue. If it helps keep the transmission rate down then maybe its worth it. Government are quite rightly worried the vulnerable children though. Despite being allowed to school, generally they are not attending. Nobodies seeing them and the chances of picking up on the signs of abuse are almost nil.
I think you are right, I would be happy for my Grandaughter to go back we have to get the country moving and there is virtually no risk to young children, the flu has been shown to be more dangerous.
As you say though the teachers and the unions are fighting it, so I don't think they will get any constructive schooling until September. With the Summer break so close they may as well wait until the new school year now and make sure they are ready for full normal schooling.
skidemin wrote:some people have worked right through and sent their children to school...
no doubt a year from now they will receive a plastic ITIUTA { I took it up the arse } medal...that should make up for missing out on 10k in furlough/grants and spending months sat in the sun with their children ?
pembroke allan wrote:My beef with this is the unions and teachers have only found reasons not to open not once have they put forward a proposal or idea to get kids back to school.?
RV Casual wrote:pembroke allan wrote:My beef with this is the unions and teachers have only found reasons not to open not once have they put forward a proposal or idea to get kids back to school.?
But harsh that mate.
First of all Teachers are working, most have never stopped and are still on site looking after key workers kids. The rest are at home doing their best to interact with the kids by whatever means possible.
I don't think Teachers get much of a say in it tbh and will be led by what they are told at the end of the day and as for the unions they are just doing what any good union would and looking after the wellbeing of their members,
My kids teacher has been nothing short of amazing. I don't think it's a case of they havnt put any ideas forward it's a case of they are being led by the science and those above them, when they are told to go back they will but its not up to the Teachers to make that call, many of whom are vulnerable themselves.
All it will take is one child or teacher to die as a direct result of going back to soon and the hounds will be out for blood.
It's not a simple situation. Hats off to the Teachers IMHI from my own experience of my child's teacher.
And lastly, on a personal level, I will send my child back when WAG deem its the right time, I won't him off for the sake off it, sane as my parents sent me on school trips to London when the IRA were bombing, life is life and there's risks but right now theres no rush IMO.
Foghorn65 wrote:The importance of education is not lost of me BUT since I've been blessed to have a child now aged 7, I am terrified to send him outside.
We have been attempting home schooling which I know is nowhere near the real thing.
So much uncertainty hardly assuaging my fears.
He's staying home.
RV Casual wrote:pembroke allan wrote:My beef with this is the unions and teachers have only found reasons not to open not once have they put forward a proposal or idea to get kids back to school.?
But harsh that mate.
First of all Teachers are working, most have never stopped and are still on site looking after key workers kids. The rest are at home doing their best to interact with the kids by whatever means possible.
I don't think Teachers get much of a say in it tbh and will be led by what they are told at the end of the day and as for the unions they are just doing what any good union would and looking after the wellbeing of their members,
My kids teacher has been nothing short of amazing. I don't think it's a case of they havnt put any ideas forward it's a case of they are being led by the science and those above them, when they are told to go back they will but its not up to the Teachers to make that call, many of whom are vulnerable themselves.
All it will take is one child or teacher to die as a direct result of going back to soon and the hounds will be out for blood.
It's not a simple situation. Hats off to the Teachers IMHI from my own experience of my child's teacher.
And lastly, on a personal level, I will send my child back when WAG deem its the right time, I won't him off for the sake off it, sane as my parents sent me on school trips to London when the IRA were bombing, life is life and there's risks but right now theres no rush IMO.
goats wrote:Foghorn65 wrote:The importance of education is not lost of me BUT since I've been blessed to have a child now aged 7, I am terrified to send him outside.
We have been attempting home schooling which I know is nowhere near the real thing.
So much uncertainty hardly assuaging my fears.
He's staying home.
Why? You can’t be scared of everything in life? Driving is risky? It’s kills far more kids than covid has you know.
Read a good article about Scandinavia earlier, very interesting.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... =DM1251860
Almost 6 months off school is too long, if your kids quite bright and likes learning home schooling could be ok but many aren’t. They are falling way behind. Remember how long a six week summer holiday felt as a kid? Times it by 10.
I think they should go back just 2 or 3 days a week with half classes etc....I really don’t know why reception and year 1 are going back, that’s ridiculous. They don’t even start school in europe until 6/7 yet we feel the need to send 3/4 year olds back? The ones who don’t get SD?
I’d be happy if my two (7 and 9) went back for a bit before another 6 weeks off if only to see what it’s going to be like in sept and get used to things, aswell as catching up with their mates.....this is Wales though, 30 years behind the likes of Norway and Denmark.
goats wrote:RV Casual wrote:pembroke allan wrote:My beef with this is the unions and teachers have only found reasons not to open not once have they put forward a proposal or idea to get kids back to school.?
But harsh that mate.
First of all Teachers are working, most have never stopped and are still on site looking after key workers kids. The rest are at home doing their best to interact with the kids by whatever means possible.
I don't think Teachers get much of a say in it tbh and will be led by what they are told at the end of the day and as for the unions they are just doing what any good union would and looking after the wellbeing of their members,
My kids teacher has been nothing short of amazing. I don't think it's a case of they havnt put any ideas forward it's a case of they are being led by the science and those above them, when they are told to go back they will but its not up to the Teachers to make that call, many of whom are vulnerable themselves.
All it will take is one child or teacher to die as a direct result of going back to soon and the hounds will be out for blood.
It's not a simple situation. Hats off to the Teachers IMHI from my own experience of my child's teacher.
And lastly, on a personal level, I will send my child back when WAG deem its the right time, I won't him off for the sake off it, sane as my parents sent me on school trips to London when the IRA were bombing, life is life and there's risks but right now theres no rush IMO.
I don’t think all teachers are so busy, high school probably doing zoom lessons but not primary. One of my kids teachers lives up the rd so I see her quite often. In whichurch hub there are only 40 kids, they don’t need many teachers in to look after them and they are not teaching them school stuff anyway. It’s on a rota system, so many having days off.
The weekly work we get sent to do wouldn’t take a day to put together.....
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:goats wrote:RV Casual wrote:pembroke allan wrote:My beef with this is the unions and teachers have only found reasons not to open not once have they put forward a proposal or idea to get kids back to school.?
But harsh that mate.
First of all Teachers are working, most have never stopped and are still on site looking after key workers kids. The rest are at home doing their best to interact with the kids by whatever means possible.
I don't think Teachers get much of a say in it tbh and will be led by what they are told at the end of the day and as for the unions they are just doing what any good union would and looking after the wellbeing of their members,
My kids teacher has been nothing short of amazing. I don't think it's a case of they havnt put any ideas forward it's a case of they are being led by the science and those above them, when they are told to go back they will but its not up to the Teachers to make that call, many of whom are vulnerable themselves.
All it will take is one child or teacher to die as a direct result of going back to soon and the hounds will be out for blood.
It's not a simple situation. Hats off to the Teachers IMHI from my own experience of my child's teacher.
And lastly, on a personal level, I will send my child back when WAG deem its the right time, I won't him off for the sake off it, sane as my parents sent me on school trips to London when the IRA were bombing, life is life and there's risks but right now theres no rush IMO.
I don’t think all teachers are so busy, high school probably doing zoom lessons but not primary. One of my kids teachers lives up the rd so I see her quite often. In whichurch hub there are only 40 kids, they don’t need many teachers in to look after them and they are not teaching them school stuff anyway. It’s on a rota system, so many having days off.
The weekly work we get sent to do wouldn’t take a day to put together.....
I have worked at the Whitchurch hub on rota and whereas I agree with some of what you say I need to make the following points -
Since mid April I've been in a total of 8 days (8-6) and have planned and taught lessons in ICT, art, creative writing, reading comprehension and outdoor PE on their fantastic grounds (compared to my school). The lessons have been loosely based around these curriculum areas so are 'school stuff' as you say and the reason that they aren't more intense is that it would be deemed as unfair to those not attending the hub. These are not my words, but instructions that we were given.I agree that this is nowhere near my usual hours of work.
I can't speak for all teachers who set home learning tasks but I spend around 2 days a week putting together the tasks for the week which can be accessed through our school year 6 web page. Tasks set include ICT, Maths, Literacy and science. I also run an online computer based maths programme that needs 'sorting' on a weekly basis and a writing blog that needs to be set and marked / commented on as they are completed.
I have been into my school for 3 days last week to contact parents across both year 6 classes, enquiring about their well being and how the children are managing with the work set.
I have 2 zoom meetings a week - one with the rest of the senior leadership team and one with my co teacher.
As all my class have my school email address I am regularly answering basic queries through the day and commenting on work that is sent through to a secure area of the web page.
As I've said mate, in every public sector profession there are some who will do the minimum but I couldn't do that. I'm not trying to say that I'm doing as much as when all schools were open but I can't do more under the circumstances
goats wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:goats wrote:RV Casual wrote:pembroke allan wrote:My beef with this is the unions and teachers have only found reasons not to open not once have they put forward a proposal or idea to get kids back to school.?
But harsh that mate.
First of all Teachers are working, most have never stopped and are still on site looking after key workers kids. The rest are at home doing their best to interact with the kids by whatever means possible.
I don't think Teachers get much of a say in it tbh and will be led by what they are told at the end of the day and as for the unions they are just doing what any good union would and looking after the wellbeing of their members,
My kids teacher has been nothing short of amazing. I don't think it's a case of they havnt put any ideas forward it's a case of they are being led by the science and those above them, when they are told to go back they will but its not up to the Teachers to make that call, many of whom are vulnerable themselves.
All it will take is one child or teacher to die as a direct result of going back to soon and the hounds will be out for blood.
It's not a simple situation. Hats off to the Teachers IMHI from my own experience of my child's teacher.
And lastly, on a personal level, I will send my child back when WAG deem its the right time, I won't him off for the sake off it, sane as my parents sent me on school trips to London when the IRA were bombing, life is life and there's risks but right now theres no rush IMO.
I don’t think all teachers are so busy, high school probably doing zoom lessons but not primary. One of my kids teachers lives up the rd so I see her quite often. In whichurch hub there are only 40 kids, they don’t need many teachers in to look after them and they are not teaching them school stuff anyway. It’s on a rota system, so many having days off.
The weekly work we get sent to do wouldn’t take a day to put together.....
I have worked at the Whitchurch hub on rota and whereas I agree with some of what you say I need to make the following points -
Since mid April I've been in a total of 8 days (8-6) and have planned and taught lessons in ICT, art, creative writing, reading comprehension and outdoor PE on their fantastic grounds (compared to my school). The lessons have been loosely based around these curriculum areas so are 'school stuff' as you say and the reason that they aren't more intense is that it would be deemed as unfair to those not attending the hub. These are not my words, but instructions that we were given.I agree that this is nowhere near my usual hours of work.
I can't speak for all teachers who set home learning tasks but I spend around 2 days a week putting together the tasks for the week which can be accessed through our school year 6 web page. Tasks set include ICT, Maths, Literacy and science. I also run an online computer based maths programme that needs 'sorting' on a weekly basis and a writing blog that needs to be set and marked / commented on as they are completed.
I have been into my school for 3 days last week to contact parents across both year 6 classes, enquiring about their well being and how the children are managing with the work set.
I have 2 zoom meetings a week - one with the rest of the senior leadership team and one with my co teacher.
As all my class have my school email address I am regularly answering basic queries through the day and commenting on work that is sent through to a secure area of the web page.
As I've said mate, in every public sector profession there are some who will do the minimum but I couldn't do that. I'm not trying to say that I'm doing as much as when all schools were open but I can't do more under the circumstances
Good to hear your thoughts. Would you like to see a few years back for a few days before the summer break? My kids school is locked, I go passed it most days so I know no ones been in. I’m quite happy to do the home schooling as I used to teach for a few years almost the same level my two are at now. But I know they miss the social interaction more, something which they can only really get in school. Lots of kids don’t have iPads/pcs and luxury items at home, they dont get to eat properly either.
Watching the news tonight of them going back in England with social distance shows it can be done, partic ks2.
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:goats wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:goats wrote:RV Casual wrote:pembroke allan wrote:My beef with this is the unions and teachers have only found reasons not to open not once have they put forward a proposal or idea to get kids back to school.?
But harsh that mate.
First of all Teachers are working, most have never stopped and are still on site looking after key workers kids. The rest are at home doing their best to interact with the kids by whatever means possible.
I don't think Teachers get much of a say in it tbh and will be led by what they are told at the end of the day and as for the unions they are just doing what any good union would and looking after the wellbeing of their members,
My kids teacher has been nothing short of amazing. I don't think it's a case of they havnt put any ideas forward it's a case of they are being led by the science and those above them, when they are told to go back they will but its not up to the Teachers to make that call, many of whom are vulnerable themselves.
All it will take is one child or teacher to die as a direct result of going back to soon and the hounds will be out for blood.
It's not a simple situation. Hats off to the Teachers IMHI from my own experience of my child's teacher.
And lastly, on a personal level, I will send my child back when WAG deem its the right time, I won't him off for the sake off it, sane as my parents sent me on school trips to London when the IRA were bombing, life is life and there's risks but right now theres no rush IMO.
I don’t think all teachers are so busy, high school probably doing zoom lessons but not primary. One of my kids teachers lives up the rd so I see her quite often. In whichurch hub there are only 40 kids, they don’t need many teachers in to look after them and they are not teaching them school stuff anyway. It’s on a rota system, so many having days off.
The weekly work we get sent to do wouldn’t take a day to put together.....
I have worked at the Whitchurch hub on rota and whereas I agree with some of what you say I need to make the following points -
Since mid April I've been in a total of 8 days (8-6) and have planned and taught lessons in ICT, art, creative writing, reading comprehension and outdoor PE on their fantastic grounds (compared to my school). The lessons have been loosely based around these curriculum areas so are 'school stuff' as you say and the reason that they aren't more intense is that it would be deemed as unfair to those not attending the hub. These are not my words, but instructions that we were given.I agree that this is nowhere near my usual hours of work.
I can't speak for all teachers who set home learning tasks but I spend around 2 days a week putting together the tasks for the week which can be accessed through our school year 6 web page. Tasks set include ICT, Maths, Literacy and science. I also run an online computer based maths programme that needs 'sorting' on a weekly basis and a writing blog that needs to be set and marked / commented on as they are completed.
I have been into my school for 3 days last week to contact parents across both year 6 classes, enquiring about their well being and how the children are managing with the work set.
I have 2 zoom meetings a week - one with the rest of the senior leadership team and one with my co teacher.
As all my class have my school email address I am regularly answering basic queries through the day and commenting on work that is sent through to a secure area of the web page.
As I've said mate, in every public sector profession there are some who will do the minimum but I couldn't do that. I'm not trying to say that I'm doing as much as when all schools were open but I can't do more under the circumstances
Good to hear your thoughts. Would you like to see a few years back for a few days before the summer break? My kids school is locked, I go passed it most days so I know no ones been in. I’m quite happy to do the home schooling as I used to teach for a few years almost the same level my two are at now. But I know they miss the social interaction more, something which they can only really get in school. Lots of kids don’t have iPads/pcs and luxury items at home, they dont get to eat properly either.
Watching the news tonight of them going back in England with social distance shows it can be done, partic ks2.
I agree that it can be done and in a meeting tonight I was told to expect year 6 only going back in around 3 weeks - I think Kirsty is making a statement Wednesday. I'm fine with that tbh.
What you mean by this mate -
Would you like to see a few years back for a few days before the summer break?
I've been out in the sun a bit so bear with me
goats wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:goats wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:goats wrote:RV Casual wrote:pembroke allan wrote:My beef with this is the unions and teachers have only found reasons not to open not once have they put forward a proposal or idea to get kids back to school.?
But harsh that mate.
First of all Teachers are working, most have never stopped and are still on site looking after key workers kids. The rest are at home doing their best to interact with the kids by whatever means possible.
I don't think Teachers get much of a say in it tbh and will be led by what they are told at the end of the day and as for the unions they are just doing what any good union would and looking after the wellbeing of their members,
My kids teacher has been nothing short of amazing. I don't think it's a case of they havnt put any ideas forward it's a case of they are being led by the science and those above them, when they are told to go back they will but its not up to the Teachers to make that call, many of whom are vulnerable themselves.
All it will take is one child or teacher to die as a direct result of going back to soon and the hounds will be out for blood.
It's not a simple situation. Hats off to the Teachers IMHI from my own experience of my child's teacher.
And lastly, on a personal level, I will send my child back when WAG deem its the right time, I won't him off for the sake off it, sane as my parents sent me on school trips to London when the IRA were bombing, life is life and there's risks but right now theres no rush IMO.
I don’t think all teachers are so busy, high school probably doing zoom lessons but not primary. One of my kids teachers lives up the rd so I see her quite often. In whichurch hub there are only 40 kids, they don’t need many teachers in to look after them and they are not teaching them school stuff anyway. It’s on a rota system, so many having days off.
The weekly work we get sent to do wouldn’t take a day to put together.....
I have worked at the Whitchurch hub on rota and whereas I agree with some of what you say I need to make the following points -
Since mid April I've been in a total of 8 days (8-6) and have planned and taught lessons in ICT, art, creative writing, reading comprehension and outdoor PE on their fantastic grounds (compared to my school). The lessons have been loosely based around these curriculum areas so are 'school stuff' as you say and the reason that they aren't more intense is that it would be deemed as unfair to those not attending the hub. These are not my words, but instructions that we were given.I agree that this is nowhere near my usual hours of work.
I can't speak for all teachers who set home learning tasks but I spend around 2 days a week putting together the tasks for the week which can be accessed through our school year 6 web page. Tasks set include ICT, Maths, Literacy and science. I also run an online computer based maths programme that needs 'sorting' on a weekly basis and a writing blog that needs to be set and marked / commented on as they are completed.
I have been into my school for 3 days last week to contact parents across both year 6 classes, enquiring about their well being and how the children are managing with the work set.
I have 2 zoom meetings a week - one with the rest of the senior leadership team and one with my co teacher.
As all my class have my school email address I am regularly answering basic queries through the day and commenting on work that is sent through to a secure area of the web page.
As I've said mate, in every public sector profession there are some who will do the minimum but I couldn't do that. I'm not trying to say that I'm doing as much as when all schools were open but I can't do more under the circumstances
Good to hear your thoughts. Would you like to see a few years back for a few days before the summer break? My kids school is locked, I go passed it most days so I know no ones been in. I’m quite happy to do the home schooling as I used to teach for a few years almost the same level my two are at now. But I know they miss the social interaction more, something which they can only really get in school. Lots of kids don’t have iPads/pcs and luxury items at home, they dont get to eat properly either.
Watching the news tonight of them going back in England with social distance shows it can be done, partic ks2.
I agree that it can be done and in a meeting tonight I was told to expect year 6 only going back in around 3 weeks - I think Kirsty is making a statement Wednesday. I'm fine with that tbh.
What you mean by this mate -
Would you like to see a few years back for a few days before the summer break?
I've been out in the sun a bit so bear with me
Would you personally like to see a few of the different year groups, ie y6 or 5 have a few days back in before the end of term....you already answered I guess in that y6 might well and your fine with it.....
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