Deaths yesterday across Europe:

Deaths yesterday across Europe:
Spain 2
Italy 87
Germany 24
France 52
Turkey 28
Belgium 42
Sweden 84
Portugal 14
Ireland 6
Poland 13
Romania 13
Hungary 8
Netherlands 28

United Kingdom ..... 324
- Scotland 15
- Wales 10
- Northern Ireland 3
- England (hospital)149
+ (England carehomes) 147

= England 296

There's no way we are ready to ease lockdown & open schools in England.

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

There was a report on the BBC website this morning that for me quoted an alarming stat and gives us a real problem clearing this disease. Sage say that studies have found that 50% sick with COVID are not isolating. I don't think its supported by the falling infection rate but we'll never get on top of it if that's the case.

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

Do you think it will ever "go away" sufficiently for us to come out of lockdown?

It was originally said that lockdown could safely be eased when the mythical "R" rate was under 1 (which it is) and that the NHS are able to cope with the demands of the virus (there's a massive stadium in the centre of the city that's virtually empty) so that condition has been met.

So do we wait for a vaccine? Do we wait for a cure? do we wait until the "R" rate is zero? Do we wait until there are no deaths from the virus for say six months?

A time must surely come where we have to try to get on with our lives accepting some form of risk whilst protecting the vulnerable as best we can.

Should we no longer drive because every time we get into a car we could die? Or even worse we could kill somebody else?
Flu kills many thousands of each winter and can be passed from person to person - should we lockdown every year from October to March in case we catch it and pass it on to a vulnerable person?

I'm just interested to know at what point people think it might be "safe" for people to go back to work and for their children to continue getting educated?

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

There was a report on the BBC website this morning that for me quoted an alarming stat and gives us a real problem clearing this disease. Sage say that studies have found that 50% sick with COVID are not isolating. I don't think its supported by the falling infection rate but we'll never get on top of it if that's the case.

I wonder how they know that? Are they contacting people who've actually been tested and asking them if they're isolating or is it more guesswork?

Mate I am not having a go at you in any way. I just find it difficult to believe anything that SAGE come up with any more after what one of their major players got up to last week.

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

There was a report on the BBC website this morning that for me quoted an alarming stat and gives us a real problem clearing this disease. Sage say that studies have found that 50% sick with COVID are not isolating. I don't think its supported by the falling infection rate but we'll never get on top of it if that's the case.

I wonder how they know that? Are they contacting people who've actually been tested and asking them if they're isolating or is it more guesswork?

Mate I am not having a go at you in any way. I just find it difficult to believe anything that SAGE come up with any more after what one of their major players got up to last week.

Someone I work with wife tested positive and the whole household went in to two week isolation so five in total wife recovered after a cough and a headache back to work after 7 days after feeling better. None of the other got coronavirus even though they were in close contact.

So I question is it really that contagious?

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

There was a report on the BBC website this morning that for me quoted an alarming stat and gives us a real problem clearing this disease. Sage say that studies have found that 50% sick with COVID are not isolating. I don't think its supported by the falling infection rate but we'll never get on top of it if that's the case.

I wonder how they know that? Are they contacting people who've actually been tested and asking them if they're isolating or is it more guesswork?

Mate I am not having a go at you in any way. I just find it difficult to believe anything that SAGE come up with any more after what one of their major players got up to last week.

Someone I work with wife tested positive and the whole household went in to two week isolation so five in total wife recovered after a cough and a headache back to work after 7 days after feeling better. None of the other got coronavirus even though they were in close contact.

So I question is it really that contagious?

you say they didn't catch it ..were they tested at the end of 7 days ?
reason I ask is I read a report of a cruise ship having infections.. all 217 passengers and crew were tested for covid… 128 tested positive.... of which only 24 had any symptoms at all...? 80%

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 35456.html

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

There was a report on the BBC website this morning that for me quoted an alarming stat and gives us a real problem clearing this disease. Sage say that studies have found that 50% sick with COVID are not isolating. I don't think its supported by the falling infection rate but we'll never get on top of it if that's the case.

I wonder how they know that? Are they contacting people who've actually been tested and asking them if they're isolating or is it more guesswork?

Mate I am not having a go at you in any way. I just find it difficult to believe anything that SAGE come up with any more after what one of their major players got up to last week.

Someone I work with wife tested positive and the whole household went in to two week isolation so five in total wife recovered after a cough and a headache back to work after 7 days after feeling better. None of the other got coronavirus even though they were in close contact.

So I question is it really that contagious?

you say they didn't catch it ..were they tested at the end of 7 days ?
reason I ask is I read a report of a cruise ship having infections.. all 217 passengers and crew were tested for covid… 128 tested positive.... of which only 24 had any symptoms at all...? 80%

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 35456.html

Yeah. They were all tested. My colleague twice.
I also find it strange that his wife is the only person I know of that has had it. And there’s 150 plus people at mine plus additional family. I thought would have heard of more.

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

There was a report on the BBC website this morning that for me quoted an alarming stat and gives us a real problem clearing this disease. Sage say that studies have found that 50% sick with COVID are not isolating. I don't think its supported by the falling infection rate but we'll never get on top of it if that's the case.

I wonder how they know that? Are they contacting people who've actually been tested and asking them if they're isolating or is it more guesswork?

Mate I am not having a go at you in any way. I just find it difficult to believe anything that SAGE come up with any more after what one of their major players got up to last week.

I'm with you on the question mark over how they arrived at figure and as said I don't think its supported by the falling infection rate. But I doubt they pluck figures completely out of the air so I was more than a bit startled. We also know that 90 - 95% have supported this lockdown pretty well so it seems a stretch to think that the 50% would come out of the 5 - 10/% remaining. I would say support for the lock down is breaking down. Nothing to do with Cummings though, its been slowly edging that way for weeks.

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

Do you think it will ever "go away" sufficiently for us to come out of lockdown?

It was originally said that lockdown could safely be eased when the mythical "R" rate was under 1 (which it is) and that the NHS are able to cope with the demands of the virus (there's a massive stadium in the centre of the city that's virtually empty) so that condition has been met.

So do we wait for a vaccine? Do we wait for a cure? do we wait until the "R" rate is zero? Do we wait until there are no deaths from the virus for say six months?

A time must surely come where we have to try to get on with our lives accepting some form of risk whilst protecting the vulnerable as best we can.

Should we no longer drive because every time we get into a car we could die? Or even worse we could kill somebody else?
Flu kills many thousands of each winter and can be passed from person to person - should we lockdown every year from October to March in case we catch it and pass it on to a vulnerable person?

I'm just interested to know at what point people think it might be "safe" for people to go back to work and for their children to continue getting educated?

To be honest, as one of those so-called 'key' workers (although my attitude is that I'm just doing my job) I agree with and have abided by the 'lockdown' other than for work purposes but I'm one that feels that there will be a point well before it's fully under control that says 'we must move on' although that point is not here yet

If we took the 'eradication or nothing' view, we'd never leave the house and the big things that we need to concern ourselves with are (a) how we get back to some sort of normal, and (b) how we prepare for the expected return of the same disease next winter

Protecting the vulnerable is key to any move forward, as are keeping social distances and good hygiene

I've stated here before that there are 'bigger' killers every winter and this media focus has not helped other than to fan the flames of fear when in reality there are a multitude of other 'issues' that could also be highlighted

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

There was a report on the BBC website this morning that for me quoted an alarming stat and gives us a real problem clearing this disease. Sage say that studies have found that 50% sick with COVID are not isolating. I don't think its supported by the falling infection rate but we'll never get on top of it if that's the case.

I wonder how they know that? Are they contacting people who've actually been tested and asking them if they're isolating or is it more guesswork?

Mate I am not having a go at you in any way. I just find it difficult to believe anything that SAGE come up with any more after what one of their major players got up to last week.

Someone I work with wife tested positive and the whole household went in to two week isolation so five in total wife recovered after a cough and a headache back to work after 7 days after feeling better. None of the other got coronavirus even though they were in close contact.

So I question is it really that contagious?

you say they didn't catch it ..were they tested at the end of 7 days ?
reason I ask is I read a report of a cruise ship having infections.. all 217 passengers and crew were tested for covid… 128 tested positive.... of which only 24 had any symptoms at all...? 80%

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 35456.html

Yeah. They were all tested. My colleague twice.
I also find it strange that his wife is the only person I know of that has had it. And there’s 150 plus people at mine plus additional family. I thought would have heard of more.

i find it strange too..i know no one who has died of it.. i know of 6 elderly people { i actually know their children } who have died with covid on death certificate.. what they ALL have in common was none relative agrees with the covid bit... the latest was a friend whose mother died of what he thinks was old age at 93...was not tested..and was told when he questioned the DC... best to be on the safe side.... i do have a couple of mates who have said they felt as if hit by a train for 2/3 days.. but also a household of 4 all NHS workers who said symptoms were very mild.... it really doesn't sound what its being made out to be...…the bit that throws me is its same worldwide...

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

There was a report on the BBC website this morning that for me quoted an alarming stat and gives us a real problem clearing this disease. Sage say that studies have found that 50% sick with COVID are not isolating. I don't think its supported by the falling infection rate but we'll never get on top of it if that's the case.

I wonder how they know that? Are they contacting people who've actually been tested and asking them if they're isolating or is it more guesswork?

Mate I am not having a go at you in any way. I just find it difficult to believe anything that SAGE come up with any more after what one of their major players got up to last week.

Someone I work with wife tested positive and the whole household went in to two week isolation so five in total wife recovered after a cough and a headache back to work after 7 days after feeling better. None of the other got coronavirus even though they were in close contact.

So I question is it really that contagious?

you say they didn't catch it ..were they tested at the end of 7 days ?
reason I ask is I read a report of a cruise ship having infections.. all 217 passengers and crew were tested for covid… 128 tested positive.... of which only 24 had any symptoms at all...? 80%

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 35456.html

Yeah. They were all tested. My colleague twice.
I also find it strange that his wife is the only person I know of that has had it. And there’s 150 plus people at mine plus additional family. I thought would have heard of more.

i find it strange too..i know no one who has died of it.. i know of 6 elderly people { i actually know their children } who have died with covid on death certificate.. what they ALL have in common was none relative agrees with the covid bit... the latest was a friend whose mother died of what he thinks was old age at 93...was not tested..and was told when he questioned the DC... best to be on the safe side.... i do have a couple of mates who have said they felt as if hit by a train for 2/3 days.. but also a household of 4 all NHS workers who said symptoms were very mild.... it really doesn't sound what its being made out to be...…the bit that throws me is its same worldwide...

I agree. The fact it’s world wide makes it stranger.

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

There was a report on the BBC website this morning that for me quoted an alarming stat and gives us a real problem clearing this disease. Sage say that studies have found that 50% sick with COVID are not isolating. I don't think its supported by the falling infection rate but we'll never get on top of it if that's the case.

I wonder how they know that? Are they contacting people who've actually been tested and asking them if they're isolating or is it more guesswork?

Mate I am not having a go at you in any way. I just find it difficult to believe anything that SAGE come up with any more after what one of their major players got up to last week.

Someone I work with wife tested positive and the whole household went in to two week isolation so five in total wife recovered after a cough and a headache back to work after 7 days after feeling better. None of the other got coronavirus even though they were in close contact.

So I question is it really that contagious?

you say they didn't catch it ..were they tested at the end of 7 days ?
reason I ask is I read a report of a cruise ship having infections.. all 217 passengers and crew were tested for covid… 128 tested positive.... of which only 24 had any symptoms at all...? 80%

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 35456.html

Yeah. They were all tested. My colleague twice.
I also find it strange that his wife is the only person I know of that has had it. And there’s 150 plus people at mine plus additional family. I thought would have heard of more.

i find it strange too..i know no one who has died of it.. i know of 6 elderly people { i actually know their children } who have died with covid on death certificate.. what they ALL have in common was none relative agrees with the covid bit... the latest was a friend whose mother died of what he thinks was old age at 93...was not tested..and was told when he questioned the DC... best to be on the safe side.... i do have a couple of mates who have said they felt as if hit by a train for 2/3 days.. but also a household of 4 all NHS workers who said symptoms were very mild.... it really doesn't sound what its being made out to be...…the bit that throws me is its same worldwide...

I agree. The fact it’s world wide makes it stranger.

not that id ever really stopped and thought about it... but youd think something that basically stops every economy in the world and have everyones lives massively restricted would be far more severe than this...500 deaths per million over 3 months.. a period of time where normally 2000 per million would die of other causes...

Absolutely not.
We are not ready to let kids and school staff return,I find it frightening.

I agree; and Wales is being 'knocked' (including by some of its own impatient citizens) for taking the more reserved route on opening

This pandemic hasn't gone away; it's just been slowed by the experts and the sacrifices made by the majority (sadly not all) to date

There was a report on the BBC website this morning that for me quoted an alarming stat and gives us a real problem clearing this disease. Sage say that studies have found that 50% sick with COVID are not isolating. I don't think its supported by the falling infection rate but we'll never get on top of it if that's the case.

I wonder how they know that? Are they contacting people who've actually been tested and asking them if they're isolating or is it more guesswork?

Mate I am not having a go at you in any way. I just find it difficult to believe anything that SAGE come up with any more after what one of their major players got up to last week.

Someone I work with wife tested positive and the whole household went in to two week isolation so five in total wife recovered after a cough and a headache back to work after 7 days after feeling better. None of the other got coronavirus even though they were in close contact.

So I question is it really that contagious?

you say they didn't catch it ..were they tested at the end of 7 days ?
reason I ask is I read a report of a cruise ship having infections.. all 217 passengers and crew were tested for covid… 128 tested positive.... of which only 24 had any symptoms at all...? 80%

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 35456.html

Yeah. They were all tested. My colleague twice.
I also find it strange that his wife is the only person I know of that has had it. And there’s 150 plus people at mine plus additional family. I thought would have heard of more.

i find it strange too..i know no one who has died of it.. i know of 6 elderly people { i actually know their children } who have died with covid on death certificate.. what they ALL have in common was none relative agrees with the covid bit... the latest was a friend whose mother died of what he thinks was old age at 93...was not tested..and was told when he questioned the DC... best to be on the safe side.... i do have a couple of mates who have said they felt as if hit by a train for 2/3 days.. but also a household of 4 all NHS workers who said symptoms were very mild.... it really doesn't sound what its being made out to be...…the bit that throws me is its same worldwide...

I agree. The fact it’s world wide makes it stranger.

not that id ever really stopped and thought about it... but youd think something that basically stops every economy in the world and have everyones lives massively restricted would be far more severe than this...500 deaths per million over 3 months.. a period of time where normally 2000 per million would die of other causes...

There’s something strange about it. For so many independent countries to react pretty much the same. And for it now to not be infecting people.

Sweden reports no new deaths

Sweden has not reported any new coronavirus deaths for the first time in over two months.

No new fatalities were reported on Sunday, although there are often delays in reporting deaths over weekends.

Sweden chose a controversial approach to the coronavirus outbreak and did not impose a lockdown, unlike the rest of Scandinavia. But its death toll from the virus is also by far the highest in Scandinavia, with 4,395 deaths.

Earlier this week, Norway and Denmark announced they would open tourism between the two countries, but restrictions remain in place for Swedes.

Sweden reports no new deaths

Sweden has not reported any new coronavirus deaths for the first time in over two months.

No new fatalities were reported on Sunday, although there are often delays in reporting deaths over weekends.

Sweden chose a controversial approach to the coronavirus outbreak and did not impose a lockdown, unlike the rest of Scandinavia. But its death toll from the virus is also by far the highest in Scandinavia, with 4,395 deaths.

Earlier this week, Norway and Denmark announced they would open tourism between the two countries, but restrictions remain in place for Swedes.

Thanks for pointing that out TC.

Unsurprisingly there seems to be little or no mention of this in the widestream media at the moment - I suppose it doesn't fit very well with whatever the current agenda may happen to be.

Sweden reports no new deaths

Sweden has not reported any new coronavirus deaths for the first time in over two months.

No new fatalities were reported on Sunday, although there are often delays in reporting deaths over weekends.

Sweden chose a controversial approach to the coronavirus outbreak and did not impose a lockdown, unlike the rest of Scandinavia. But its death toll from the virus is also by far the highest in Scandinavia, with 4,395 deaths.

Earlier this week, Norway and Denmark announced they would open tourism between the two countries, but restrictions remain in place for Swedes.

Thanks for pointing that out TC.

Unsurprisingly there seems to be little or no mention of this in the widestream media at the moment - I suppose it doesn't fit very well with whatever the current agenda may happen to be.

Germany recorded 11 more coronavirus deaths on Monday, bringing the country’s total death toll to 8,511.

Sweden reports lowest number of new cases since March
Just 232 new cases of coronavirus were reported by Sweden on Monday, the lowest number of new infections reported by the public health since 27 March.

Eight more people have been recorded as dying of the virus, according to the latest update which puts the total death toll at 4,403 and the cumulative case load at 37,814.

Spain has no daily virus deaths for first time in 3 months
Spain has recorded no coronavirus deaths over the past 24 hours for the first time since the beginning of March, a senior health ministry spokesman said Monday.

Italy records fewest new virus cases since February

Italy posted a series of encouraging figures in the fight against the Covid-19 pandemic on Monday, including the smallest daily number of new cases since February 26, the Civil Protection Agency said in a statement.

The official tally of new cases increased by 178 in 24 hours, bringing the total to 233,197.

The daily number of new cases was 516 Friday, 416 Saturday and 355 Sunday.

The number of deaths in the past 24 hours was also low compared to the recent average with 60 victims recorded throughout Italy for a total of 33,475 deaths, while the number of people in intensive care, 424, continues to fall.

Meanwhile the UK said there were 113 deaths reported yesterday and today 111 .

Made a big point about this yesterday and today how low the figs were - Sadly they missed out on the extra 445 deaths they have just added on to the total tonight ....Following the Science has long gone