Fri May 29, 2020 11:25 pm
Sat May 30, 2020 1:14 am
Forever Blue wrote:Police officer Derek Chauvin charged with third degree murder of George Floyd
Sat May 30, 2020 6:03 am
bluesince62 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Police officer Derek Chauvin charged with third degree murder of George Floyd
And rightly so,and what of the other 3 cnuts standing by? Aren't you guilty by association over there? Any one of them could have stopped it!!!
Sat May 30, 2020 7:04 am
Sat May 30, 2020 11:55 am
Sat May 30, 2020 12:30 pm
Bigmarkw wrote:What is 3rd degree murder is that the same as man slaughter.
If they really wanted to murder him they could have just shot him. In reality they tried tried to control a criminal who was resisting arrest who then unfortunately died. They gave every chance his actions are to blame as well.
Sat May 30, 2020 2:36 pm
Igovernor wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:What is 3rd degree murder is that the same as man slaughter.
If they really wanted to murder him they could have just shot him. In reality they tried tried to control a criminal who was resisting arrest who then unfortunately died. They gave every chance his actions are to blame as well.
It's only in the states there is 3rd degree murder, which is the same as our manslaughter. The cop had his knee and all his bodyweight on the guys neck he was shouting I cant breathe as much as he could, he was on his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, with 2 minutes and 53 seconds of that occurring after Floyd was unresponsive,
there were 4 cops there don't you think that instead of just looking, they could have put the restaints they use around his legs, as he was already handcuffed behind his back. And they are going to say he was resisting arrest, like all the other black americans that police have killed in the USA, racist sods. Criminal he might have been but he did not do anything that he deserved to die for!
Sat May 30, 2020 2:58 pm
Sat May 30, 2020 2:58 pm
Bigmarkw wrote:Igovernor wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:What is 3rd degree murder is that the same as man slaughter.
If they really wanted to murder him they could have just shot him. In reality they tried tried to control a criminal who was resisting arrest who then unfortunately died. They gave every chance his actions are to blame as well.
It's only in the states there is 3rd degree murder, which is the same as our manslaughter. The cop had his knee and all his bodyweight on the guys neck he was shouting I cant breathe as much as he could, he was on his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, with 2 minutes and 53 seconds of that occurring after Floyd was unresponsive,
there were 4 cops there don't you think that instead of just looking, they could have put the restaints they use around his legs, as he was already handcuffed behind his back. And they are going to say he was resisting arrest, like all the other black americans that police have killed in the USA, racist sods. Criminal he might have been but he did not do anything that he deserved to die for!
Agree he didn’t deserve to die. But we’ve only seen the Conveniently edit footage or at least I haven’t seen what’s lead to this. Also if you can’t breathe you can’t speak and he was able to speak quiet loudly considering.
I read he died of a heart attack and not suffocation. But nothing official.
Sat May 30, 2020 3:18 pm
skidemin wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:Igovernor wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:What is 3rd degree murder is that the same as man slaughter.
If they really wanted to murder him they could have just shot him. In reality they tried tried to control a criminal who was resisting arrest who then unfortunately died. They gave every chance his actions are to blame as well.
It's only in the states there is 3rd degree murder, which is the same as our manslaughter. The cop had his knee and all his bodyweight on the guys neck he was shouting I cant breathe as much as he could, he was on his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, with 2 minutes and 53 seconds of that occurring after Floyd was unresponsive,
there were 4 cops there don't you think that instead of just looking, they could have put the restaints they use around his legs, as he was already handcuffed behind his back. And they are going to say he was resisting arrest, like all the other black americans that police have killed in the USA, racist sods. Criminal he might have been but he did not do anything that he deserved to die for!
Agree he didn’t deserve to die. But we’ve only seen the Conveniently edit footage or at least I haven’t seen what’s lead to this. Also if you can’t breathe you can’t speak and he was able to speak quiet loudly considering.
I read he died of a heart attack and not suffocation. But nothing official.
the cop had his knee on him for 8 minutes while he continually pleaded to breathe..its hard to defend mate.. its not even like the cop was in a one to one situation and feared what might happen should he ease off. as he had 3 gun totting mates as back up...
Sat May 30, 2020 3:28 pm
Bigmarkw wrote:skidemin wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:Igovernor wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:What is 3rd degree murder is that the same as man slaughter.
If they really wanted to murder him they could have just shot him. In reality they tried tried to control a criminal who was resisting arrest who then unfortunately died. They gave every chance his actions are to blame as well.
It's only in the states there is 3rd degree murder, which is the same as our manslaughter. The cop had his knee and all his bodyweight on the guys neck he was shouting I cant breathe as much as he could, he was on his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, with 2 minutes and 53 seconds of that occurring after Floyd was unresponsive,
there were 4 cops there don't you think that instead of just looking, they could have put the restaints they use around his legs, as he was already handcuffed behind his back. And they are going to say he was resisting arrest, like all the other black americans that police have killed in the USA, racist sods. Criminal he might have been but he did not do anything that he deserved to die for!
Agree he didn’t deserve to die. But we’ve only seen the Conveniently edit footage or at least I haven’t seen what’s lead to this. Also if you can’t breathe you can’t speak and he was able to speak quiet loudly considering.
I read he died of a heart attack and not suffocation. But nothing official.
the cop had his knee on him for 8 minutes while he continually pleaded to breathe..its hard to defend mate.. its not even like the cop was in a one to one situation and feared what might happen should he ease off. as he had 3 gun totting mates as back up...
Read above think we posted at same time.
Sun May 31, 2020 9:10 pm
Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:16 am
Bigmarkw wrote:I’ve now seen a much longer video and have changed my view point. The police officer definitely when over the top, I think the other officer was ready to lift him up as he sensed he was ready. But didn’t, as the crowd were getting rowdy which I don’t helped matters as he had his back to the prisoner dealing with the crowd. Just a very sad situation without the crowd I think he survives. And definitely with the police lifting him sooner he survives.
Terrible story.
Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:35 am
bluesince62 wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:I’ve now seen a much longer video and have changed my view point. The police officer definitely when over the top, I think the other officer was ready to lift him up as he sensed he was ready. But didn’t, as the crowd were getting rowdy which I don’t helped matters as he had his back to the prisoner dealing with the crowd. Just a very sad situation without the crowd I think he survives. And definitely with the police lifting him sooner he survives.
Terrible story.
Watched the same video I believe,admire your candid honesty in changing your mind
Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:40 am
Sven wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:I’ve now seen a much longer video and have changed my view point. The police officer definitely when over the top, I think the other officer was ready to lift him up as he sensed he was ready. But didn’t, as the crowd were getting rowdy which I don’t helped matters as he had his back to the prisoner dealing with the crowd. Just a very sad situation without the crowd I think he survives. And definitely with the police lifting him sooner he survives.
Terrible story.
Watched the same video I believe,admire your candid honesty in changing your mind
Whats odd is that we've all seen the video and it looks pretty damning; but the initial autopsy states he didn't die from asphyxiation/strangulation?
The family are seeking a second (private) autopsy and things should be a lot clearer after that' but all four of the 'Officers' involved have now been sacked, charges laid on the one Officer and others expected to be laid on the others once the facts are known/confirmed
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:37 am
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:42 am
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:23 am
Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:06 pm
Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:43 pm
Foghorn65 wrote:4 officers at the scene should have been more than adequate to subdue this poor guy.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:42 am
Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:15 am
bluesince62 wrote:Foghorn65 wrote:4 officers at the scene should have been more than adequate to subdue this poor guy.
All they had to do was utilise the leg straps they use,then he couldn't have gone anywhere in a hurry but a manslaughter charge it shouldn't be,as suggested above,it should be 2nd degree murder, and maybe 3rd degree for the other 3,who I have to say,could of and should have intevened,and if absolutely needed,taster the suspect,but to kneel on his neck for the best part of 9 minutes?? Despicable act.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:33 am
piledriver64 wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Foghorn65 wrote:4 officers at the scene should have been more than adequate to subdue this poor guy.
All they had to do was utilise the leg straps they use,then he couldn't have gone anywhere in a hurry but a manslaughter charge it shouldn't be,as suggested above,it should be 2nd degree murder, and maybe 3rd degree for the other 3,who I have to say,could of and should have intevened,and if absolutely needed,taster the suspect,but to kneel on his neck for the best part of 9 minutes?? Despicable act.
Agreed, nobody can, or should, try to justify the actions of this police officer or his colleagues.
Somebody earlier in the thread seemed to indicate that the actions of the crowd might have increased the police officer's anxiousness about the situation. Well if police were doing that to a mate of yours and you could see he was really struggling would you just stand there watching ? I certainly wouldn't
Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:18 pm
Bigmarkw wrote:piledriver64 wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Foghorn65 wrote:4 officers at the scene should have been more than adequate to subdue this poor guy.
All they had to do was utilise the leg straps they use,then he couldn't have gone anywhere in a hurry but a manslaughter charge it shouldn't be,as suggested above,it should be 2nd degree murder, and maybe 3rd degree for the other 3,who I have to say,could of and should have intevened,and if absolutely needed,taster the suspect,but to kneel on his neck for the best part of 9 minutes?? Despicable act.
Agreed, nobody can, or should, try to justify the actions of this police officer or his colleagues.
Somebody earlier in the thread seemed to indicate that the actions of the crowd might have increased the police officer's anxiousness about the situation. Well if police were doing that to a mate of yours and you could see he was really struggling would you just stand there watching ? I certainly wouldn't
So you agree with me then that they were a distraction to the other officers?
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:53 pm
skidemin wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:piledriver64 wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Foghorn65 wrote:4 officers at the scene should have been more than adequate to subdue this poor guy.
All they had to do was utilise the leg straps they use,then he couldn't have gone anywhere in a hurry but a manslaughter charge it shouldn't be,as suggested above,it should be 2nd degree murder, and maybe 3rd degree for the other 3,who I have to say,could of and should have intevened,and if absolutely needed,taster the suspect,but to kneel on his neck for the best part of 9 minutes?? Despicable act.
Agreed, nobody can, or should, try to justify the actions of this police officer or his colleagues.
Somebody earlier in the thread seemed to indicate that the actions of the crowd might have increased the police officer's anxiousness about the situation. Well if police were doing that to a mate of yours and you could see he was really struggling would you just stand there watching ? I certainly wouldn't
So you agree with me then that they were a distraction to the other officers?
seems to be something missing from the whole thing....fella tries to pass a note who the shop keeper thinks is fake..{ might or might not be fake } … the speed of the police response doesn't seem right ? amount of police officers doesn't seem right ? then.. he seems to not resist but somehow seems to end up on floor held down initially by 3 officers ?..then an ambulance arrives ?...and GF goes from being a restrained offender being held down to someone needing medical care in an instant ?
am I missing something ?
Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:03 pm
Bigmarkw wrote:skidemin wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:piledriver64 wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Foghorn65 wrote:4 officers at the scene should have been more than adequate to subdue this poor guy.
All they had to do was utilise the leg straps they use,then he couldn't have gone anywhere in a hurry but a manslaughter charge it shouldn't be,as suggested above,it should be 2nd degree murder, and maybe 3rd degree for the other 3,who I have to say,could of and should have intevened,and if absolutely needed,taster the suspect,but to kneel on his neck for the best part of 9 minutes?? Despicable act.
Agreed, nobody can, or should, try to justify the actions of this police officer or his colleagues.
Somebody earlier in the thread seemed to indicate that the actions of the crowd might have increased the police officer's anxiousness about the situation. Well if police were doing that to a mate of yours and you could see he was really struggling would you just stand there watching ? I certainly wouldn't
So you agree with me then that they were a distraction to the other officers?
seems to be something missing from the whole thing....fella tries to pass a note who the shop keeper thinks is fake..{ might or might not be fake } … the speed of the police response doesn't seem right ? amount of police officers doesn't seem right ? then.. he seems to not resist but somehow seems to end up on floor held down initially by 3 officers ?..then an ambulance arrives ?...and GF goes from being a restrained offender being held down to someone needing medical care in an instant ?
am I missing something ?
A little bit. They arrested him and put him in a back of the car but continued to resist. Hence why they then had to restrain him on the Floor. Where things got way out of hand. If only he complied. This sad story may not have happened.
Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:10 pm
skidemin wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:skidemin wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:piledriver64 wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Foghorn65 wrote:4 officers at the scene should have been more than adequate to subdue this poor guy.
All they had to do was utilise the leg straps they use,then he couldn't have gone anywhere in a hurry but a manslaughter charge it shouldn't be,as suggested above,it should be 2nd degree murder, and maybe 3rd degree for the other 3,who I have to say,could of and should have intevened,and if absolutely needed,taster the suspect,but to kneel on his neck for the best part of 9 minutes?? Despicable act.
Agreed, nobody can, or should, try to justify the actions of this police officer or his colleagues.
Somebody earlier in the thread seemed to indicate that the actions of the crowd might have increased the police officer's anxiousness about the situation. Well if police were doing that to a mate of yours and you could see he was really struggling would you just stand there watching ? I certainly wouldn't
So you agree with me then that they were a distraction to the other officers?
seems to be something missing from the whole thing....fella tries to pass a note who the shop keeper thinks is fake..{ might or might not be fake } … the speed of the police response doesn't seem right ? amount of police officers doesn't seem right ? then.. he seems to not resist but somehow seems to end up on floor held down initially by 3 officers ?..then an ambulance arrives ?...and GF goes from being a restrained offender being held down to someone needing medical care in an instant ?
am I missing something ?
A little bit. They arrested him and put him in a back of the car but continued to resist. Hence why they then had to restrain him on the Floor. Where things got way out of hand. If only he complied. This sad story may not have happened.
I haven't seen any footage of him resisting ? ... haven't seen it mentioned either..
I found the whole ambulance thing very bizarre . if id happened upon that scene I would presume he was being restrained awaiting a meat wagon.. not paramedics..