True coronavirus death toll rises past 44,000 in Britain -

True coronavirus death toll rises past 44,000 in Britain - 10,000 more than the Department of Health's count - as devastating statistics show more than 11,000 how now died in care homes


A combination of the most recently available data puts death toll at 44,094

In comparison Italy, the next worst hit country in Europe, has recorded 32,007

At least 11,000 people - a quarter of total - died in England & Wales care homes



By SAM BLANCHARD SENIOR HEALTH REPORTER FOR MAILONLINE



PUBLISHED: 09:57 BST, 19 May 2020 | UPDATED: 10:35 BST, 19 May 2020

More than 44,000 people have now been killed by COVID-19 in the UK, devastating statistics confirmed today.

And more than 11,000 victims were care home residents in England and Wales.

The weekly Office for National Statistics data has lumped almost 10,000 extra fatalities on top of the Department of Health's official count of 34,796 yesterday.

The number of people dying with the virus each week continues to fall, the ONS's research shows, but the ongoing crisis in care homes means there are still more deaths than would be expected in an average year.

Britain's status as the worst-hit country in Europe is underlined by the figures, with Italy so far recording 32,000 deaths, by comparison.

ONS data, which covers England and Wales, confirmed 39,071 people had died with the coronavirus by May 8.

At least 1,211 further people were known to have died in English hospitals between May 9 and May 17, according to the NHS, taking the England & Wales total to 40,282.

In addition, National Records of Scotland - the equivalent of the ONS north of the border - counted 3,213 deaths by May 10, and Northern Ireland's Statistics Agency, NISRA, added 599 up to May 13.

This takes the total for the UK to at least 44,094.

True coronavirus death toll rises past 44,000 in Britain - 10,000 more than the Department of Health's count - as devastating statistics show more than 11,000 how now died in care homes


A combination of the most recently available data puts death toll at 44,094

In comparison Italy, the next worst hit country in Europe, has recorded 32,007

At least 11,000 people - a quarter of total - died in England & Wales care homes



By SAM BLANCHARD SENIOR HEALTH REPORTER FOR MAILONLINE



PUBLISHED: 09:57 BST, 19 May 2020 | UPDATED: 10:35 BST, 19 May 2020

More than 44,000 people have now been killed by COVID-19 in the UK, devastating statistics confirmed today.

And more than 11,000 victims were care home residents in England and Wales.

The weekly Office for National Statistics data has lumped almost 10,000 extra fatalities on top of the Department of Health's official count of 34,796 yesterday.

The number of people dying with the virus each week continues to fall, the ONS's research shows, but the ongoing crisis in care homes means there are still more deaths than would be expected in an average year.

Britain's status as the worst-hit country in Europe is underlined by the figures, with Italy so far recording 32,000 deaths, by comparison.

ONS data, which covers England and Wales, confirmed 39,071 people had died with the coronavirus by May 8.

At least 1,211 further people were known to have died in English hospitals between May 9 and May 17, according to the NHS, taking the England & Wales total to 40,282.

In addition, National Records of Scotland - the equivalent of the ONS north of the border - counted 3,213 deaths by May 10, and Northern Ireland's Statistics Agency, NISRA, added 599 up to May 13.

This takes the total for the UK to at least 44,094.

I watched the ons interview and all media have taking bits of it out of context ,the media are assuming that all excess deaths are covid the ons said that isnt true ,other illnesses are up on the death certificate

True coronavirus death toll rises past 44,000 in Britain - 10,000 more than the Department of Health's count - as devastating statistics show more than 11,000 how now died in care homes


A combination of the most recently available data puts death toll at 44,094

In comparison Italy, the next worst hit country in Europe, has recorded 32,007

At least 11,000 people - a quarter of total - died in England & Wales care homes



By SAM BLANCHARD SENIOR HEALTH REPORTER FOR MAILONLINE



PUBLISHED: 09:57 BST, 19 May 2020 | UPDATED: 10:35 BST, 19 May 2020

More than 44,000 people have now been killed by COVID-19 in the UK, devastating statistics confirmed today.

And more than 11,000 victims were care home residents in England and Wales.

The weekly Office for National Statistics data has lumped almost 10,000 extra fatalities on top of the Department of Health's official count of 34,796 yesterday.

The number of people dying with the virus each week continues to fall, the ONS's research shows, but the ongoing crisis in care homes means there are still more deaths than would be expected in an average year.

Britain's status as the worst-hit country in Europe is underlined by the figures, with Italy so far recording 32,000 deaths, by comparison.

ONS data, which covers England and Wales, confirmed 39,071 people had died with the coronavirus by May 8.

At least 1,211 further people were known to have died in English hospitals between May 9 and May 17, according to the NHS, taking the England & Wales total to 40,282.

In addition, National Records of Scotland - the equivalent of the ONS north of the border - counted 3,213 deaths by May 10, and Northern Ireland's Statistics Agency, NISRA, added 599 up to May 13.

This takes the total for the UK to at least 44,094.

I watched the ons interview and all media have taking bits of it out of context ,the media are assuming that all excess deaths are covid the ons said that isnt true ,other illnesses are up on the death certificate

ONS state’s that deaths related to or as a result of strains on the NHS are over 55k which also includes over 10k care home deaths Wez, it’s been in every news report I’ve heard today. I know the media Cherry pick what they want too.

ONS figures state 55k deaths as of 8th May, realistic figure as of 18th May more likely to be around 62k deaths

Deaths are dropping but for 2nd time recently reports are saying deaths vastly higher than reported previously ? (Last week it was 55k) What we do know is corvid is being attributed to deaths without it being factual when in care home or nhs settings.... so take any number you like and it will still be the wrong amount ! The truth is real numbers will never be accurately known....

ONS figures state 55k deaths as of 8th May, realistic figure as of 18th May more likely to be around 62k deaths

shouldnt be a surprise to anyone tbh… its been said enough that the lockdown would kill more than covid… cure would be worse than the disease... kill more than it saves. etc etc etc.. similar increases in average mortality have been recorded in Italy , Germany , Spain and the USA.. if you restrict health care, scare people away from hospitals and empty beds that should be occupied the result is obvious isn't it ?

Deaths are dropping but for 2nd time recently reports are saying deaths vastly higher than reported previously ? (Last week it was 55k) What we do know is corvid is being attributed to deaths without it being factual when in care home or nhs settings.... so take any number you like and it will still be the wrong amount ! The truth is real numbers will never be accurately known....

The trouble is countries aren't reporting on a like for like basis. Italy haven't included care home deaths in their totals and Spain haven't even started to collate the care home death figures let alone added them. I suspect the same will be said about other deaths outside the hospital setting. What we do know for Italy is that the excess deaths was running at 25,000 up until the end of March. On the basis that 20kof the known Covid deaths have occurred since then and on the assumption they continue on the same proportions then the excess death figure for Italy would be running 67,000 as of now.

There's so many stats available on Covid its pretty easy to find pretty much any thing to back your narrative. We're lording Germany and its performance on this crisis but the truth is every single country in the former is Soviet Union is outperforming them by a country mile. It cant be the diagnostics and it cant be health service / resources so what makes Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus and 20 others put them and pretty much all of western Europe to shame ? Only Greece seems to have a performance to match them. Strange that as I thought they have one of the worst heath care systems in Western Europe. Norway are doing pretty well but social distancing pretty much happens there anyway. I have a theory that we've over medicated for decades and in many cases made our immune systems largely redundant. Now we need it and for some it cant get into gear.

Deaths are dropping but for 2nd time recently reports are saying deaths vastly higher than reported previously ? (Last week it was 55k) What we do know is corvid is being attributed to deaths without it being factual when in care home or nhs settings.... so take any number you like and it will still be the wrong amount ! The truth is real numbers will never be accurately known....

You are right that without testing everyone, repeatedly, we will never know the true number of deaths that can accurately be attributed to Covid19.

What I find sad is that UK media appear to be on a feeding frenzy of criticism on anything our Government has done, is doing or intends to do. This article by comparing the UK governments declared Covid19 details are under recorded but Italy at 32,000 is accurate is wrong on so many levels. The smallest amount of research will tell you that the figures disclosed by the Italian Government are under reported by a factor of 2.

https://voxeu.org/article/covid-19-ital ... istry-data

Now that report only checks death registry to the end of March so how many additional deaths have there been in Italy, we don't know and as Italy publish their mortality rates annually it will be a long time before we get any idea of the true level there.

It's pretty much the same in Spain where only deaths confirmed by a Test are declared but even then in a report on deaths until 10th April Catalonia had identified 3,000 more deaths associated with Vocid19 but not declared in their daily figures. In a report by National Epidemiology Centre’s database MoMo deaths had been under reported by over 8,000 and that was by 10th April. The report also suggest the true Spanish death toll has been under reported by 49%. Again all mortality data in Spain is reported annually so we will have to wait a long time until we get the reality.

Deaths are dropping but for 2nd time recently reports are saying deaths vastly higher than reported previously ? (Last week it was 55k) What we do know is corvid is being attributed to deaths without it being factual when in care home or nhs settings.... so take any number you like and it will still be the wrong amount ! The truth is real numbers will never be accurately known....

You are right that without testing everyone, repeatedly, we will never know the true number of deaths that can accurately be attributed to Covid19.

What I find sad is that UK media appear to be on a feeding frenzy of criticism on anything our Government has done, is doing or intends to do. This article by comparing the UK governments declared Covid19 details are under recorded but Italy at 32,000 is accurate is wrong on so many levels. The smallest amount of research will tell you that the figures disclosed by the Italian Government are under reported by a factor of 2.

https://voxeu.org/article/covid-19-ital ... istry-data

Now that report only checks death registry to the end of March so how many additional deaths have there been in Italy, we don't know and as Italy publish their mortality rates annually it will be a long time before we get any idea of the true level there.

It's pretty much the same in Spain where only deaths confirmed by a Test are declared but even then in a report on deaths until 10th April Catalonia had identified 3,000 more deaths associated with Vocid19 but not declared in their daily figures. In a report by National Epidemiology Centre’s database MoMo deaths had been under reported by over 8,000 and that was by 10th April. The report also suggest the true Spanish death toll has been under reported by 49%. Again all mortality data in Spain is reported annually so we will have to wait a long time until we get the reality.

The telling thing is the statements put out by all
media which are basically copies of gvmnt statements says ..... corvid (related deaths) very large percentage of people who have died have underlying diseases like dementia diabetes ect ect but they are never blamed as cause death like corvid is! Just find it annoying that now deaths are decreasing so called experts are inflating figures by any means they can no wonder people are getting paranoid about going out to work where there will be close contact despite distancing

Deaths are dropping but for 2nd time recently reports are saying deaths vastly higher than reported previously ? (Last week it was 55k) What we do know is corvid is being attributed to deaths without it being factual when in care home or nhs settings.... so take any number you like and it will still be the wrong amount ! The truth is real numbers will never be accurately known....

You are right that without testing everyone, repeatedly, we will never know the true number of deaths that can accurately be attributed to Covid19.

What I find sad is that UK media appear to be on a feeding frenzy of criticism on anything our Government has done, is doing or intends to do. This article by comparing the UK governments declared Covid19 details are under recorded but Italy at 32,000 is accurate is wrong on so many levels. The smallest amount of research will tell you that the figures disclosed by the Italian Government are under reported by a factor of 2.

https://voxeu.org/article/covid-19-ital ... istry-data

Now that report only checks death registry to the end of March so how many additional deaths have there been in Italy, we don't know and as Italy publish their mortality rates annually it will be a long time before we get any idea of the true level there.

It's pretty much the same in Spain where only deaths confirmed by a Test are declared but even then in a report on deaths until 10th April Catalonia had identified 3,000 more deaths associated with Vocid19 but not declared in their daily figures. In a report by National Epidemiology Centre’s database MoMo deaths had been under reported by over 8,000 and that was by 10th April. The report also suggest the true Spanish death toll has been under reported by 49%. Again all mortality data in Spain is reported annually so we will have to wait a long time until we get the reality.

The telling thing is the statements put out by all
media which are basically copies of gvmnt statements says ..... corvid (related deaths) very large percentage of people who have died have underlying diseases like dementia diabetes ect ect but they are never blamed as cause death like corvid is! Just find it annoying that now deaths are decreasing so called experts are inflating figures by any means they can no wonder people are getting paranoid about going out to work where there will be close contact despite distancing

It doesn't help peoples mindset when it comes to returning to work, sending their kids back to school or both but we have to find a way. It's being described as the "New Normal" and until a treatment or vaccine is found we need to be working together to find a "New Normal".

What has happened in the UK, Italy and Spain is tragic but when you consider each of these countries spend less on Public Health per head than most other European counties maybe it shouldn't surprise us.

For me that's the lesson to learn from this and I hope the Governments of each of these countries learn the lesson well.

Deaths are dropping but for 2nd time recently reports are saying deaths vastly higher than reported previously ? (Last week it was 55k) What we do know is corvid is being attributed to deaths without it being factual when in care home or nhs settings.... so take any number you like and it will still be the wrong amount ! The truth is real numbers will never be accurately known....

You are right that without testing everyone, repeatedly, we will never know the true number of deaths that can accurately be attributed to Covid19.

What I find sad is that UK media appear to be on a feeding frenzy of criticism on anything our Government has done, is doing or intends to do. This article by comparing the UK governments declared Covid19 details are under recorded but Italy at 32,000 is accurate is wrong on so many levels. The smallest amount of research will tell you that the figures disclosed by the Italian Government are under reported by a factor of 2.

https://voxeu.org/article/covid-19-ital ... istry-data

Now that report only checks death registry to the end of March so how many additional deaths have there been in Italy, we don't know and as Italy publish their mortality rates annually it will be a long time before we get any idea of the true level there.

It's pretty much the same in Spain where only deaths confirmed by a Test are declared but even then in a report on deaths until 10th April Catalonia had identified 3,000 more deaths associated with Vocid19 but not declared in their daily figures. In a report by National Epidemiology Centre’s database MoMo deaths had been under reported by over 8,000 and that was by 10th April. The report also suggest the true Spanish death toll has been under reported by 49%. Again all mortality data in Spain is reported annually so we will have to wait a long time until we get the reality.

The telling thing is the statements put out by all
media which are basically copies of gvmnt statements says ..... corvid (related deaths) very large percentage of people who have died have underlying diseases like dementia diabetes ect ect but they are never blamed as cause death like corvid is! Just find it annoying that now deaths are decreasing so called experts are inflating figures by any means they can no wonder people are getting paranoid about going out to work where there will be close contact despite distancing

It doesn't help peoples mindset when it comes to returning to work, sending their kids back to school or both but we have to find a way. It's being described as the "New Normal" and until a treatment or vaccine is found we need to be working together to find a "New Normal".

What has happened in the UK, Italy and Spain is tragic but when you consider each of these countries spend less on Public Health per head than most other European counties maybe it shouldn't surprise us.

For me that's the lesson to learn from this and I hope the Governments of each of these countries learn the lesson well.

May change at beginning but give it a year and health will drop back in political parties manifestos having previous 25yrs in NHS tells me this. The odd thing is experts agree virus dissipates very quickly in sunlight and outside yet still want 2mtr rule applied outside! Its very difficult to be normal in our crowded town centres and holiday places like tenby , a vaccine is any length of time away depending on who you listen to....if one is found at all so need to find way without factoring a vaccine into equation

Surprised its not worse our small island is massively over populated.
Smaller than both and Spain and Italy. But with a bigger population and more people per square metre.

Surprised its not worse our small island is massively over populated.
Smaller than both and Spain and Italy. But with a bigger population and more people per square metre.

Clearly a factor and with London in particular not helped by a 25% increase in population in the last 20 years. They keeping praising New Zealand. There's no comparison 40% larger land area than Britain and a population smaller than North London.

Deaths are dropping but for 2nd time recently reports are saying deaths vastly higher than reported previously ? (Last week it was 55k) What we do know is corvid is being attributed to deaths without it being factual when in care home or nhs settings.... so take any number you like and it will still be the wrong amount ! The truth is real numbers will never be accurately known....

You are right that without testing everyone, repeatedly, we will never know the true number of deaths that can accurately be attributed to Covid19.

What I find sad is that UK media appear to be on a feeding frenzy of criticism on anything our Government has done, is doing or intends to do. This article by comparing the UK governments declared Covid19 details are under recorded but Italy at 32,000 is accurate is wrong on so many levels. The smallest amount of research will tell you that the figures disclosed by the Italian Government are under reported by a factor of 2.

https://voxeu.org/article/covid-19-ital ... istry-data

Now that report only checks death registry to the end of March so how many additional deaths have there been in Italy, we don't know and as Italy publish their mortality rates annually it will be a long time before we get any idea of the true level there.

It's pretty much the same in Spain where only deaths confirmed by a Test are declared but even then in a report on deaths until 10th April Catalonia had identified 3,000 more deaths associated with Vocid19 but not declared in their daily figures. In a report by National Epidemiology Centre’s database MoMo deaths had been under reported by over 8,000 and that was by 10th April. The report also suggest the true Spanish death toll has been under reported by 49%. Again all mortality data in Spain is reported annually so we will have to wait a long time until we get the reality.

The telling thing is the statements put out by all
media which are basically copies of gvmnt statements says ..... corvid (related deaths) very large percentage of people who have died have underlying diseases like dementia diabetes ect ect but they are never blamed as cause death like corvid is! Just find it annoying that now deaths are decreasing so called experts are inflating figures by any means they can no wonder people are getting paranoid about going out to work where there will be close contact despite distancing

It doesn't help peoples mindset when it comes to returning to work, sending their kids back to school or both but we have to find a way. It's being described as the "New Normal" and until a treatment or vaccine is found we need to be working together to find a "New Normal".

What has happened in the UK, Italy and Spain is tragic but when you consider each of these countries spend less on Public Health per head than most other European counties maybe it shouldn't surprise us.

For me that's the lesson to learn from this and I hope the Governments of each of these countries learn the lesson well.

I'm not convinced its principally about spending though and I appreciate that sounds ridiculous. As I said above every country in the former eastern block is performing considerably better in terms of deaths than those in the relatively prosperous west, bar curiously the penniless Greeks. Its much the same in many parts of the developing world. That cant be about their ability to manage or finance their health care systems. So what's going on ? There has to be some explanation for it but I for one cant fathom it out. Nothing to do with Chinese or American conspiracies but somehow the western world seems to have lowered its collective immunity to fight this.

UK sees almost 55,000 extra deaths

Figures released by the UK's national statistical agencies show that there were 54,437 more deaths up to 8 May than would normally have been expected by this time of year.

The figure is larger than the 34,796 people who died after a positive test result for coronavirus up to that date, or the 41,020 people whose death certificate mentioned Covid-19.

Robert Cuffe, the BBC's head of statistics, said the larger "excess deaths" figure was likely to capture the true impact of the virus, reflecting the numbers of people who died without a test or who died because of the strain on the healthcare system.

Deaths are dropping but for 2nd time recently reports are saying deaths vastly higher than reported previously ? (Last week it was 55k) What we do know is corvid is being attributed to deaths without it being factual when in care home or nhs settings.... so take any number you like and it will still be the wrong amount ! The truth is real numbers will never be accurately known....

You are right that without testing everyone, repeatedly, we will never know the true number of deaths that can accurately be attributed to Covid19.

What I find sad is that UK media appear to be on a feeding frenzy of criticism on anything our Government has done, is doing or intends to do. This article by comparing the UK governments declared Covid19 details are under recorded but Italy at 32,000 is accurate is wrong on so many levels. The smallest amount of research will tell you that the figures disclosed by the Italian Government are under reported by a factor of 2.

https://voxeu.org/article/covid-19-ital ... istry-data

Now that report only checks death registry to the end of March so how many additional deaths have there been in Italy, we don't know and as Italy publish their mortality rates annually it will be a long time before we get any idea of the true level there.

It's pretty much the same in Spain where only deaths confirmed by a Test are declared but even then in a report on deaths until 10th April Catalonia had identified 3,000 more deaths associated with Vocid19 but not declared in their daily figures. In a report by National Epidemiology Centre’s database MoMo deaths had been under reported by over 8,000 and that was by 10th April. The report also suggest the true Spanish death toll has been under reported by 49%. Again all mortality data in Spain is reported annually so we will have to wait a long time until we get the reality.

The telling thing is the statements put out by all
media which are basically copies of gvmnt statements says ..... corvid (related deaths) very large percentage of people who have died have underlying diseases like dementia diabetes ect ect but they are never blamed as cause death like corvid is! Just find it annoying that now deaths are decreasing so called experts are inflating figures by any means they can no wonder people are getting paranoid about going out to work where there will be close contact despite distancing

It doesn't help peoples mindset when it comes to returning to work, sending their kids back to school or both but we have to find a way. It's being described as the "New Normal" and until a treatment or vaccine is found we need to be working together to find a "New Normal".

What has happened in the UK, Italy and Spain is tragic but when you consider each of these countries spend less on Public Health per head than most other European counties maybe it shouldn't surprise us.

For me that's the lesson to learn from this and I hope the Governments of each of these countries learn the lesson well.

I'm not convinced its principally about spending though and I appreciate that sounds ridiculous. As I said above every country in the former eastern block is performing considerably better in terms of deaths than those in the relatively prosperous west, bar curiously the penniless Greeks. Its much the same in many parts of the developing world. That cant be about their ability to manage or finance their health care systems. So what's going on ? There has to be some explanation for it but I for one cant fathom it out. Nothing to do with Chinese or American conspiracies but somehow the western world seems to have lowered its collective immunity to fight this.

Greece is a strange one as they spend about 1/3 of the European average on healthcare. But in terms of population compared to the UK they have about 81 people living in a square mile, Compared that to the UK where there are more than 1000 per square mile, much higher in London. Greece has social distancing built in.

I know the Chinese upped their death figures to a more realistic number when even they realised the figures were farcical..
We could easily have reported 20,000 deaths, and everyone would believe it.

Massive death toll. The government have fucked up royally.

The vast majority of deaths in the care homes was preventable and it was incompetence or criminal negligence at its best. Sending patients with Covid19 into the care homes so they could infect other people there amounts to manslaughter.
These figures of deaths should in no way be put on the total of deaths from the virus. But should have there own numbers with those who sent them there held accountable especially those at the top.