Surely people don’t think it should

Be lifted the partial lockdown in the UK?

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UPDATED FRIDAY 1ST MAY 2020


Daily Total of UK Deaths 739



Total 27,510 Deaths in the UK so far

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The lockdown seems to be over for some already - More cars on the road of late was reported yesterday .
Today they decide not to show the chart which has been raising the last 5 days .

Yep, time to get things moving again.

Just to be clear though easing of lockdown.. Is different to removal of social distancing.

Those wanting too can stay lockdown, so why make it official.

The five key tests

Stephen Powis, Medical Director of the NHS, is now updating the public with the Government's daily slides. He begins with a reminder of the five that have to be met before restrictions can be eased:

Making sure the NHS can cope

A 'sustained and consistent' fall in the daily death rate

Rate of infection decreasing to 'manageable levels'

Ensuring supply of tests and PPE can meet future demand

Being confident any adjustments would not risk a second peak

I think we got it about right in the uk. Not too authoritarian and though a few people took the piss, most stuck to the rules. I think another week beyond the next review date is needed and then we need to look at loosening some things like more shops, possibly allowing outdoor sports such as tennis and golf where numbers competing against each other are low and no physical contact takes place.

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I think we got it about right in the uk. Not too authoritarian and though a few people took the piss, most stuck to the rules. I think another week beyond the next review date is needed and then we need to look at loosening some things like more shops, possibly allowing outdoor sports such as tennis and golf where numbers competing against each other are low and no physical contact takes place.

as lockdowns go yes...the whole point for all those that locked down was to not exceed nhs capacity... we did that with quite a bit to spare ..unfortunately others didn't..

84% adults 'not left their homes'

Efforts to observe social distancing have been praised by NHS England's medical director, Prof Stephen Powis.

He told the daily Downing Street press conference that 84% of adults had said they had not left their homes in the past seven days except for the permitted reasons.

He pointed to a slide which showed that new cases had increased but so had the number of tests.

"Overall the number is relatively stable," he said.

84% adults 'not left their homes'

Efforts to observe social distancing have been praised by NHS England's medical director, Prof Stephen Powis.

He told the daily Downing Street press conference that 84% of adults had said they had not left their homes in the past seven days except for the permitted reasons.

He pointed to a slide which showed that new cases had increased but so had the number of tests.

"Overall the number is relatively stable," he said.

more tests more positives makes sense...

Please stay home. Stay safe. Protect our brilliant NHS. Look after the vulnerable and elderly. This is a life threatening disease that can seriously affect anybody. A friend mine, recently married, otherwise healthy in his twenties is currently in hospital fighting this disease.

The shock horror will not work here in the UK.It is obvious there is more traffic however people are by and large compliant.As for rampant, out of control it is not.We do not here of the Nightingale facilities in Cardiff and London well they are largely empty.The government screwed up and the care homes are really paying the price.Here in Wales it is not that bad so I do not buy the "Sun says" comments found on here helpful at all.The figures are horrible but that will pale into insignificance unless we start the economy soon 5-7 million out of work and thousands of missed cancers make equally horrendous headlines.This will be a political decision based on economic necessity and largely speaking a utilitarian one. If this sounds harsh well we be better get used to it I cannot see a free market party destroying it's own economy, for that is where we are heading its consequences will be felt for a generation and make the austerity of recent years look like a scout jamboree.

The shock horror will not work here in the UK.It is obvious there is more traffic however people are by and large compliant.As for rampant, out of control it is not.We do not here of the Nightingale facilities in Cardiff and London well they are largely empty.The government screwed up and the care homes are really paying the price.Here in Wales it is not that bad so I do not buy the "Sun says" comments found on here helpful at all.The figures are horrible but that will pale into insignificance unless we start the economy soon 5-7 million out of work and thousands of missed cancers make equally horrendous headlines.This will be a political decision based on economic necessity and largely speaking a utilitarian one. If this sounds harsh well we be better get used to it I cannot see a free market party destroying it's own economy, for that is where we are heading its consequences will be felt for a generation and make the austerity of recent years look like a scout jamboree.

The shock horror will not work here in the UK.It is obvious there is more traffic however people are by and large compliant.As for rampant, out of control it is not.We do not here of the Nightingale facilities in Cardiff and London well they are largely empty.The government screwed up and the care homes are really paying the price.Here in Wales it is not that bad so I do not buy the "Sun says" comments found on here helpful at all.The figures are horrible but that will pale into insignificance unless we start the economy soon 5-7 million out of work and thousands of missed cancers make equally horrendous headlines.This will be a political decision based on economic necessity and largely speaking a utilitarian one. If this sounds harsh well we be better get used to it I cannot see a free market party destroying it's own economy, for that is where we are heading its consequences will be felt for a generation and make the austerity of recent years look like a scout jamboree.

This government has blood on their hands. They ignored PPE stockpile recommendations, they were slow to stop flights in to this country and they were too slow to lockdown. The huge death toll was avoidable. However, the narrative in this country has to change. We can't focus on this. Yes, thousands have needlessly died but most people survive this horrid disease. Fear propaganda is gripping our nation and that will kill way more than Corona. We have to learn to live with this disease and accept the risks. Every day you go out the front door there are always risks. But we must go out. More people will die of corona until there is a vaccine but if we hide away and facilitate the absolute destruction of our economy then this will kill hundreds of thousands if not millions globally. We must go back to work. Without an economy there is no NHS too. This is the is the grim 'new normal'.

The shock horror will not work here in the UK.It is obvious there is more traffic however people are by and large compliant.As for rampant, out of control it is not.We do not here of the Nightingale facilities in Cardiff and London well they are largely empty.The government screwed up and the care homes are really paying the price.Here in Wales it is not that bad so I do not buy the "Sun says" comments found on here helpful at all.The figures are horrible but that will pale into insignificance unless we start the economy soon 5-7 million out of work and thousands of missed cancers make equally horrendous headlines.This will be a political decision based on economic necessity and largely speaking a utilitarian one. If this sounds harsh well we be better get used to it I cannot see a free market party destroying it's own economy, for that is where we are heading its consequences will be felt for a generation and make the austerity of recent years look like a scout jamboree.

This government has blood on their hands. They ignored PPE stockpile recommendations, they were slow to stop flights in to this country and they were too slow to lockdown. The huge death toll was avoidable. However, the narrative in this country has to change. We can't focus on this. Yes, thousands have needlessly died but most people survive this horrid disease. Fear propaganda is gripping our nation and that will kill way more than Corona. We have to learn to live with this disease and accept the risks. Every day you go out the front door there are always risks. But we must go out. More people will die of corona until there is a vaccine but if we hide away and facilitate the absolute destruction of our economy then this will kill hundreds of thousands if not millions globally. We must go back to work. Without an economy there is no NHS too. This is the is the grim 'new normal'.

the government doesn't have anymore blood on its hands than every other government in every other country..the assumption was everywhere that the infection rate was higher than it is which set in motion all over the world knocking up temporary hospitals, manufacturing respirators and sourcing PPE.... yes there was a PPE shortage here but if your going to be level and reasonable it wasn't as bad here as some despite what pan and anna rosemary or thyme said in that not very balanced programme... as for the lockdowns. have they really worked ? cases and deaths shot up and haven't come back down to anywhere near the pre lockdown levels ...anywhere... well apart from China.

Yep, time to get things moving again.

Just to be clear though easing of lockdown.. Is different to removal of social distancing.

Those wanting too can stay lockdown, so why make it official.

Not sure about England but only 160 new cases in wales and 17 deaths yesterday.
I think they should ease them somewhat next week, allow small shops and cafes to takeaway etc....get the building trades open, selco, travis etc....

84% adults 'not left their homes'

Efforts to observe social distancing have been praised by NHS England's medical director, Prof Stephen Powis.

He told the daily Downing Street press conference that 84% of adults had said they had not left their homes in the past seven days except for the permitted reasons.

He pointed to a slide which showed that new cases had increased but so had the number of tests.

"Overall the number is relatively stable," he said.

A copper I know in Cardiff told me they’ve been amazed how well people have adhered to the lockdown and they expecting it to be far more difficult to police. A few idiots in certain areas were never going to comply anyway.
All in all, people of Wales have protected their NHS. But now it’s time to get the NHS going again for the 1000’s of people waiting for operations and scans etc....

The shock horror will not work here in the UK.It is obvious there is more traffic however people are by and large compliant.As for rampant, out of control it is not.We do not here of the Nightingale facilities in Cardiff and London well they are largely empty.The government screwed up and the care homes are really paying the price.Here in Wales it is not that bad so I do not buy the "Sun says" comments found on here helpful at all.The figures are horrible but that will pale into insignificance unless we start the economy soon 5-7 million out of work and thousands of missed cancers make equally horrendous headlines.This will be a political decision based on economic necessity and largely speaking a utilitarian one. If this sounds harsh well we be better get used to it I cannot see a free market party destroying it's own economy, for that is where we are heading its consequences will be felt for a generation and make the austerity of recent years look like a scout jamboree.

There has to be some opening of businesses, safely , the social distancing and essential travel has to stay , but if there is no getting back to to work safely, no economy can take this hit for many months without leaving many millions out of work, with no hope of employment.
Already the financial crash of 2008 fades into insignificance compared to the hit currently happening to the economy.
With many receiving the 80% furloughed salary , perhaps its yet to hit home, there may not be jobs to go back to.

The shock horror will not work here in the UK.It is obvious there is more traffic however people are by and large compliant.As for rampant, out of control it is not.We do not here of the Nightingale facilities in Cardiff and London well they are largely empty.The government screwed up and the care homes are really paying the price.Here in Wales it is not that bad so I do not buy the "Sun says" comments found on here helpful at all.The figures are horrible but that will pale into insignificance unless we start the economy soon 5-7 million out of work and thousands of missed cancers make equally horrendous headlines.This will be a political decision based on economic necessity and largely speaking a utilitarian one. If this sounds harsh well we be better get used to it I cannot see a free market party destroying it's own economy, for that is where we are heading its consequences will be felt for a generation and make the austerity of recent years look like a scout jamboree.

There has to be some opening of businesses, safely , the social distancing and essential travel has to stay , but if there is no getting back to to work safely, no economy can take this hit for many months without leaving many millions out of work, with no hope of employment.
Already the financial crash of 2008 fades into insignificance compared to the hit currently happening to the economy.
With many receiving the 80% furloughed salary , perhaps its yet to hit home, there may not be jobs to go back to.

That’s a great point, I’m sure that many thousands of people currently furloughed think they will just walk straight back into their jobs..unfortunately, this will not be the case as many hundreds if not thousands of businesses will not survive this lockdown

Hopefully, I’m being too pessimistic but you have to be realistic many, many thousands of jobs will unfortunately be gone

From Facebook

Perspective:

WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT ...
I heard that we are all in the same boat, but it's not like that. We are in the same storm, but not in the same boat. Your ship could be shipwrecked and mine might not be. Or vice versa.

For some, quarantine is optimal. A moment of reflection, of re-connection, easy in flip flops, with a cocktail or coffee. For others, this is a desperate financial & family crisis.

For some that live alone they're facing endless loneliness. While for others it is peace, rest & time with their mother, father, sons & daughters.

With the weekly increase in unemployment some are bringing in more money to their households than they were working. Others are working more hours for less money due to pay cuts or loss in sales.

For some not getting on with Family domestic abuse is rife...we never know whwt goes on behind closed doors.

Some were concerned about getting a certain candy for Easter while others were concerned if there would be enough bread, milk and eggs for the weekend.

Some want to go back to work because they don't qualify for unemployment and are running out of money. Others want to kill those who break the quarantine.

Some are home spending 2-3 hours/day helping their child with online schooling while others are spending 2-3 hours/day to educate their children on top of a 10-12 hour workday.

Some have experienced the near death of the virus, some have already lost someone from it and some are not sure if their loved ones are going to make it. Others don't believe this is a big deal.

Some have faith in God and expect miracles during this 2020. Others say the worst is yet to come.

So, friends, we are not in the same boat. We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different.

Each of us will emerge, in our own way, from this storm. It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. Not just looking, actually seeing.

We are all on different ships during this storm experiencing a very different journey.

84% adults 'not left their homes'

Efforts to observe social distancing have been praised by NHS England's medical director, Prof Stephen Powis.

He told the daily Downing Street press conference that 84% of adults had said they had not left their homes in the past seven days except for the permitted reasons.

He pointed to a slide which showed that new cases had increased but so had the number of tests.

"Overall the number is relatively stable," he said.

A copper I know in Cardiff told me they’ve been amazed how well people have adhered to the lockdown and they expecting it to be far more difficult to police. A few idiots in certain areas were never going to comply anyway.
All in all, people of Wales have protected their NHS. But now it’s time to get the NHS going again for the 1000’s of people waiting for operations and scans etc....

agree mate....much more to it than than the very selfish ill thought out slogan health v wealth slogan the idiots shout..

How do other countries count their covid figures ?

Do they include only deaths where a test has taken place and proved positive ?
Do they only include deaths in hospital ?
Do they include deaths in care homes ?

We are nothing special good or bad. We are no different from anyone else really. So for the person quoting Poland or anywhere else - I would question your figures and see what they actually include.

How do other countries count their covid figures ?

Do they include only deaths where a test has taken place and proved positive ?
Do they only include deaths in hospital ?
Do they include deaths in care homes ?

We are nothing special good or bad. We are no different from anyone else really. So for the person quoting Poland or anywhere else - I would question your figures and see what they actually include.

just do not know mate...you can find a number of articles from many countries pointing to false figures with care home deaths not included..


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/worl ... -toll.html

How do other countries count their covid figures ?

Do they include only deaths where a test has taken place and proved positive ?
Do they only include deaths in hospital ?
Do they include deaths in care homes ?

We are nothing special good or bad. We are no different from anyone else really. So for the person quoting Poland or anywhere else - I would question your figures and see what they actually include.

Heard Italy doesn't count care home and in community deaths only hospitals, germany don't record a covid death unless its of the disease and not of a underlying problem ,in Britain we've been counting it if its a positive test in hospital or if a doctor suspects it in the community and puts it on the death certificate

How do other countries count their covid figures ?

Do they include only deaths where a test has taken place and proved positive ?
Do they only include deaths in hospital ?
Do they include deaths in care homes ?

We are nothing special good or bad. We are no different from anyone else really. So for the person quoting Poland or anywhere else - I would question your figures and see what they actually include.

Heard Italy doesn't count care home and in community deaths only hospitals, germany don't record a covid death unless its of the disease and not of a underlying problem ,in Britain we've been counting it if its a positive test in hospital or if a doctor suspects it in the community and puts it on the death certificate

In Italy, only a tiny percentage have covid as direct cause of death,on the death certificates( it was 12% only!! )The rest had it,but it wasn't actual cause of death, majority had 2 sometimes 3 serious underlying conditions, even in spain it's dodgy,as numbers there inclues people who haven't been tested, but showing signs of covid,so registered as covid death? ? We will never know the "true" figures I guesswork is not acceptable in the 21st century,and that's what's happening, figures being manipulated, for whatever agenda there is.

How do other countries count their covid figures ?

Do they include only deaths where a test has taken place and proved positive ?
Do they only include deaths in hospital ?
Do they include deaths in care homes ?

We are nothing special good or bad. We are no different from anyone else really. So for the person quoting Poland or anywhere else - I would question your figures and see what they actually include.

Heard Italy doesn't count care home and in community deaths only hospitals, germany don't record a covid death unless its of the disease and not of a underlying problem ,in Britain we've been counting it if its a positive test in hospital or if a doctor suspects it in the community and puts it on the death certificate

In Italy, only a tiny percentage have covid as direct cause of death,on the death certificates( it was 12% only!! )The rest had it,but it wasn't actual cause of death, majority had 2 sometimes 3 serious underlying conditions, even in spain it's dodgy,as numbers there inclues people who haven't been tested, but showing signs of covid,so registered as covid death? ? We will never know the "true" figures I guesswork is not acceptable in the 21st century,and that's what's happening, figures being manipulated, for whatever agenda there is.

Pneumonia was the main one. I didn’t realise either that they can’t put over 80’s on a ventilator anyway, something about it being too much for their bodies to even cope with.

Britain will not return to 'business as usual' this month

Britain will not return to "business as usual" this month after Boris Johnson sets out his roadmap for how the UK may come out of the coronavirus lockdown, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has said.

He told Sky's Sophy Ridge On Sunday: "I don't think we should expect us to go from this situation that we have at the moment of social distancing back to where we were in February - that's clearly not going to happen and I don't think anyone imagines that for one moment.

"The most important thing is that the absolute focus of what the Prime Minister will be announcing later in the week is that what we do do going forward doesn't undo the brilliant work people have been doing to get that R number below 1 - the all-critical reproduction rate doesn't come back up because that's when we'd see a second spike.

"So no I'm afraid it is definitely not going to be business as usual but we do want to make sure that people understand where the routemap lies."