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ANDREW PIERCE:
Another 7 planeloads of Romanians being brought in to pick fruit and veg. Are they being tested for virus? The Govt is warning of 2million people facing dole because of virus. deploy them first



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ANDREW PIERCE:
Another 7 planeloads of Romanians being brought in to pick fruit and veg. Are they being tested for virus? The Govt is warning of 2million people facing dole because of virus. deploy them first



OPINIONS:

on the face of it , it looks wrong.. must be loads who would love to escape the inner cities for a bit of work, fresh air and get away from the constant covid news ..
I know germany are doing exactly the same though..

Defo annis.anybody on furlough should be eligible to pick fruit. As long as social distancing is observed. I myself have worked throughout this crisis and would have volunteered if I hadn't been. So much for we are all in this together! There was no need to bring in outsiders and the risk they bring! Unbelievable!

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Paul Hustle:


If no one will get off their arses and work then unfortunately it’s a must Test first tho

We have a ridiculous benefits entitled underbelly.

Their "pay" means we will have to rely on Eastern European folk

problem is people dont want to pick fruit for crap money, Simply no demand for it here thats why the foreigners do it.

As for testing, the virus is so wode spread now it doesnt really matter of they are tested or not, if they are sticking to the guidelines and others areim it should not spread

problem is people dont want to pick fruit for crap money, Simply no demand for it here thats why the foreigners do it.

As for testing, the virus is so wode spread now it doesnt really matter of they are tested or not, if they are sticking to the guidelines and others areim it should not spread

I do think as things are this year there would be volunteers...stuck in a 6th floor flat in peckham and if you venture out every do-gooder windowtwitcher within 200 yards has a camera on you and reporting back to FB central..
fresh air and exercise/work has to be better surely ?

The government keep telling us that we have to stay indoors to save lives - has this advice changed to allowing us to go out picking fruit?

We are being told we must not go to the countryside and the police are empowered to enforce this.

Where are these people staying when they're over here? Are they all related to each other or are they maintaining social distancing before and after they are in work?

ANDREW PIERCE:
Another 7 planeloads of Romanians being brought in to pick fruit and veg. Are they being tested for virus? The Govt is warning of 2million people facing dole because of virus. deploy them first



OPINIONS:

More to it mate I watched the farmer on the bbc explain why he's paid 40k to fly these people over hes contracted to the agency ,this was going to happen this year anyway ,also hes paying the agency 400 pound per week for each employee, it is wrong he could of paid 400 a week to British nationals and he woukd have no problem especially now with the way the virus has gone

The government keep telling us that we have to stay indoors to save lives - has this advice changed to allowing us to go out picking fruit?

We are being told we must not go to the countryside and the police are empowered to enforce this.

Where are these people staying when they're over here? Are they all related to each other or are they maintaining social distancing before and after they are in work?

if people don't harvest there is no food mate...

ANDREW PIERCE:
Another 7 planeloads of Romanians being brought in to pick fruit and veg. Are they being tested for virus? The Govt is warning of 2million people facing dole because of virus. deploy them first



OPINIONS:

More to it mate I watched the farmer on the bbc explain why he's paid 40k to fly these people over hes contracted to the agency ,this was going to happen this year anyway ,also hes paying the agency 400 pound per week for each employee, it is wrong he could of paid 400 a week to British nationals and he woukd have no problem especially now with the way the virus has gone

its an explanation. but I don't think a good one... so many other things are cancelled contract or not...

The government keep telling us that we have to stay indoors to save lives - has this advice changed to allowing us to go out picking fruit?

We are being told we must not go to the countryside and the police are empowered to enforce this.

Where are these people staying when they're over here? Are they all related to each other or are they maintaining social distancing before and after they are in work?

if people don't harvest there is no food mate...

Just wondered if these jobs were actually made available to British workers at any point?

Are we just assuming that the only reason these guys are being flown in is because British workers have been given the opportunity and refused?

The government keep telling us that we have to stay indoors to save lives - has this advice changed to allowing us to go out picking fruit?

We are being told we must not go to the countryside and the police are empowered to enforce this.

Where are these people staying when they're over here? Are they all related to each other or are they maintaining social distancing before and after they are in work?

if people don't harvest there is no food mate...

Just wondered if these jobs were actually made available to British workers at any point?

Are we just assuming that the only reason these guys are being flown in is because British workers have been given the opportunity and refused?

from what wez said its an every year thing.. so id imagine normally its something farmers have trouble recruiting for...400 quid a week must be a small fortune to your average runanian but dand hard work..

From what I’ve heard no british people wanted this work and this was a last resort. Don’t know how true this is. But if it is I wonder where all the people who say immigrants are stealing are jobs are currently in full time employment.

Defo annis.anybody on furlough should be eligible to pick fruit. As long as social distancing is observed. I myself have worked throughout this crisis and would have volunteered if I hadn't been. So much for we are all in this together! There was no need to bring in outsiders and the risk they bring! Unbelievable!

Agree.
My interactions with furloughed workers is that they generally are treating it as a long holiday.
One person said to me they happy to be Furloughed. He said if it here was no virus around and things were normal and you were offered 3 months off work with 80% most would take it.

That to me sums up the way some are looking at this crisis hence why some break the lockdown. Interested to know what % of them are furloughed workers.

ANDREW PIERCE:
Another 7 planeloads of Romanians being brought in to pick fruit and veg. Are they being tested for virus? The Govt is warning of 2million people facing dole because of virus. deploy them first



OPINIONS:

More to it mate I watched the farmer on the bbc explain why he's paid 40k to fly these people over hes contracted to the agency ,this was going to happen this year anyway ,also hes paying the agency 400 pound per week for each employee, it is wrong he could of paid 400 a week to British nationals and he woukd have no problem especially now with the way the virus has gone

its an explanation. but I don't think a good one... so many other things are cancelled contract or not...

Agree

From what I’ve heard no british people wanted this work and this was a last resort. Don’t know how true this is. But if it is I wonder where all the people who say immigrants are stealing are jobs are currently in full time employment.

That's not true I seen a report that over 200,000 people signed up to a schemes most havnt heard anything back it's a scandal, theres an advert on line wanting to hear from people who applied and didnt hear anything back

From what I’ve heard no british people wanted this work and this was a last resort. Don’t know how true this is. But if it is I wonder where all the people who say immigrants are stealing are jobs are currently in full time employment.

That's not true I seen a report that over 200,000 people signed up to a schemes most havnt heard anything back it's a scandal, theres an advert on line wanting to hear from people who applied and didnt hear anything back

Just what furloughed people have said to me. It’s a tiny proportion. So who knows.

From what I’ve heard no british people wanted this work and this was a last resort. Don’t know how true this is. But if it is I wonder where all the people who say immigrants are stealing are jobs are currently in full time employment.

That's not true I seen a report that over 200,000 people signed up to a schemes most havnt heard anything back it's a scandal, theres an advert on line wanting to hear from people who applied and didnt hear anything back

Just what furloughed people have said to me. It’s a tiny proportion. So who knows.

yes I know a couple who between saving on travel, parking and paying less out of wages are better off and happy to have a break... I do know people that just want it over and go to work though..

Defo annis.anybody on furlough should be eligible to pick fruit. As long as social distancing is observed. I myself have worked throughout this crisis and would have volunteered if I hadn't been. So much for we are all in this together! There was no need to bring in outsiders and the risk they bring! Unbelievable!

Agree.
My interactions with furloughed workers is that they generally are treating it as a long holiday.
One person said to me they happy to be Furloughed. He said if it here was no virus around and things were normal and you were offered 3 months off work with 80% most would take it.

That to me sums up the way some are looking at this crisis hence why some break the lockdown. Interested to know what % of them are furloughed workers.

Unfortunately I think many people are stupid enough to think that being furloughed is a paid holiday.

Most of those who do must be so thick that they don't realise that there is a fair chance that the economy has been so fucked up by this lockdown that many hundreds of thousands are likely to lose their jobs either directly or indirectly as a result of what is currently happening.

And for those that are lucky enough to still have a job at the end of all this how do they think this money they've been getting for three months is going to be recouped? Do they think it's a generous gift from the government from some money pit the government set aside for a rainy day?

No - those lucky enough to still have a job will be repaying this for decades through higher taxation of various types.

And one report from Romania today of them getting a few thousand workers from Pakistan to do there work of which they can’t fill. Ain’t it funny how these things just go round and round

Defo annis.anybody on furlough should be eligible to pick fruit. As long as social distancing is observed. I myself have worked throughout this crisis and would have volunteered if I hadn't been. So much for we are all in this together! There was no need to bring in outsiders and the risk they bring! Unbelievable!

Agree.
My interactions with furloughed workers is that they generally are treating it as a long holiday.
One person said to me they happy to be Furloughed. He said if it here was no virus around and things were normal and you were offered 3 months off work with 80% most would take it.

That to me sums up the way some are looking at this crisis hence why some break the lockdown. Interested to know what % of them are furloughed workers.

Unfortunately I think many people are stupid enough to think that being furloughed is a paid holiday.

Most of those who do must be so thick that they don't realise that there is a fair chance that the economy has been so fucked up by this lockdown that many hundreds of thousands are likely to lose their jobs either directly or indirectly as a result of what is currently happening.

And for those that are lucky enough to still have a job at the end of all this how do they think this money they've been getting for three months is going to be recouped? Do they think it's a generous gift from the government from some money pit the government set aside for a rainy day?

No - those lucky enough to still have a job will be repaying this for decades through higher taxation of various types.

100% agree .. unemployment will rise, those still employed will have less of a market to sell to and the government are going to find it really tough with less people earning probably less money to tax..

Defo annis.anybody on furlough should be eligible to pick fruit. As long as social distancing is observed. I myself have worked throughout this crisis and would have volunteered if I hadn't been. So much for we are all in this together! There was no need to bring in outsiders and the risk they bring! Unbelievable!

Agree.
My interactions with furloughed workers is that they generally are treating it as a long holiday.
One person said to me they happy to be Furloughed. He said if it here was no virus around and things were normal and you were offered 3 months off work with 80% most would take it.

That to me sums up the way some are looking at this crisis hence why some break the lockdown. Interested to know what % of them are furloughed workers.

Unfortunately I think many people are stupid enough to think that being furloughed is a paid holiday.

Most of those who do must be so thick that they don't realise that there is a fair chance that the economy has been so fucked up by this lockdown that many hundreds of thousands are likely to lose their jobs either directly or indirectly as a result of what is currently happening.

And for those that are lucky enough to still have a job at the end of all this how do they think this money they've been getting for three months is going to be recouped? Do they think it's a generous gift from the government from some money pit the government set aside for a rainy day?

No - those lucky enough to still have a job will be repaying this for decades through higher taxation of various types.

100% agree .. unemployment will rise, those still employed will have less of a market to sell to and the government are going to find it really tough with less people earning probably less money to tax..

As well as potentially having hundreds of thousands of extra people claiming benefits.

And one report from Romania today of them getting a few thousand workers from Pakistan to do there work of which they can’t fill. Ain’t it funny how these things just go round and round

our farmers missing a trick here why not just get the obviously cheaper pakistanis

problem is people dont want to pick fruit for crap money, Simply no demand for it here thats why the foreigners do it.

As for testing, the virus is so wode spread now it doesnt really matter of they are tested or not, if they are sticking to the guidelines and others areim it should not spread

It's a 'double whammy' and you're so right; there is no appetitive/incentive for British people to do this work for many reasons including the benefit system, so the 'foreigners' need to be brought in, if we want the crops that will help sustain the nation not only in these trying times

Damned if they do and damned if they don't


Note: Nice of wind-up merchant 'FoghornLeghorn65' to add his usual intelligence to the conversation

Wind up merchant?

Intelligence?

From what I’ve heard no british people wanted this work and this was a last resort. Don’t know how true this is. But if it is I wonder where all the people who say immigrants are stealing are jobs are currently in full time employment.

This narrative about British workers being too lazy to take up physical work does my head in. There are plenty of British workers earning a living in physically hard jobs such as construction, road or even grave diggers.

The real reason employers prefer foreign nationals is they are easier to exploit. No breaks, no holiday pay or other employment rights as generally they are unaware of them or reluctant in take advantage of them due to being summarily dismissed and never working again in the UK.

From what I’ve heard no british people wanted this work and this was a last resort. Don’t know how true this is. But if it is I wonder where all the people who say immigrants are stealing are jobs are currently in full time employment.

This narrative about British workers being too lazy to take up physical work does my head in. There are plenty of British workers earning a living in physically hard jobs such as construction, road or even grave diggers.

The real reason employers prefer foreign nationals is they are easier to exploit. No breaks, no holiday pay or other employment rights as generally they are unaware of them or reluctant in take advantage of them due to being summarily dismissed and never working again in the UK.

Not often I agree with you but you are bang on

I'm not disputing many Brits work extremely hard many for the minimum wage.

Yet many more are quite happy to sit at home on benefits