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UK / SPAIN

I started from Day 1 of each country´s lockdown.

Trends are similar up to a few days ago but worryingly for the UK they are not following the downward trend of Spain and are actually going up.

This is probably why they are forecasting more deaths for UK than here

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isn't the population in the uk 20 million more than in Spain so the only way of looking at the figures is per a capita.

isn't the population in the uk 20 million more than in Spain so the only way of looking at the figures is per a capita.

About 14 mill bigger, but then Germany is far bigger population than Uk and they have one of the lowest Deaths.


I still feel Uk handled it way way to lightly Govt and some of the people.

i thought it was Spain 46 mill, UK not England alone 68 mill Germany 89mill, but with a population of 14 mill more that would equate to a fifth of population so i think we have not done that bad here when you think most things have carried on as normal as possible without the extreme measure of a total lockdown.Germany have tested and did a lot of contact tracing which have managed to keep the death rate down but the infection rate is high and have hijacked all the testing kits off roache to do this.

Weird the gov stats on the daily briefings dont look like that. infact our deaths seems to be going down now.

Weird the gov stats on the daily briefings dont look like that. infact our deaths seems to be going down now.

Your not reading it properly comparing days with UK at similar periods

Weird the gov stats on the daily briefings dont look like that. infact our deaths seems to be going down now.

its from day of lockdown... pretty much trebled in 5 days.. and then trebled again 5 days later...

UK rate is much lower than Spain at the moment, although the case rate is similar.

UK rate is much lower than Spain at the moment, although the case rate is similar.

UK are not including 1,000’s of care home deaths

Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 18/04/20
Postby TopCat CCFC » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:38 pm


Annis - if i can add FRANCE : ITALY with SPAIN At the time line above this might show how serious this is getting -

Deaths from the UK & ITALY Are the same with SPAIN and FRANCE around 2,000 - 3,000 more deaths .

If we were to add on the Home and Home Care deaths then the UK would have more deaths in Europe at this point .
All 3 FRANCE : ITALY : SPAIN Have shown Home + Care deaths in their results - the UK say it takes 5 days later to be added .

The only defence for anyone to avoid the truth is the population of each country - and we have all had different lockdowns.

If people don't listen to the guide lines this could get worse - AS positive tests have been over 55,000 for the last 11 days.

Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 18/04/20
Postby TopCat CCFC » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:38 pm


Annis - if i can add FRANCE : ITALY with SPAIN At the time line above this might show how serious this is getting -

Deaths from the UK & ITALY Are the same with SPAIN and FRANCE around 2,000 - 3,000 more deaths .

If we were to add on the Home and Home Care deaths then the UK would have more deaths in Europe at this point .
All 3 FRANCE : ITALY : SPAIN Have shown Home + Care deaths in their results - the UK say it takes 5 days later to be added .

The only defence for anyone to avoid the truth is the population of each country - and we have all had different lockdowns.

If people don't listen to the guide lines this could get worse - AS positive tests have been over 55,000 for the last 11 days.

Cheers

Deaths in care homes is something nobody can have control over,the Sunday before the so called lockdown when most people had started to social distance before the government decided to do it, i was amazed to see care home workers in uniform having a greggs before going to work when the general consensus was social distancing. i have a woman across the street from me who works in a care home and she is very careful but her three sons are out every night driving around and smoking dope up the mounting with other kids and that is why the problem is out of control in care homes.

Deaths in care homes is something nobody can have control over,the Sunday before the so called lockdown when most people had started to social distance before the government decided to do it, i was amazed to see care home workers in uniform having a greggs before going to work when the general consensus was social distancing. i have a woman across the street from me who works in a care home and she is very careful but her three sons are out every night driving around and smoking dope up the mounting with other kids and that is why the problem is out of control in care homes.

I agree but got out of control, no one doubted or said different.

We have said that UK’S death daily toll do not include the people dying in them, so there for it’s far worse than the UK announce daily .



The Daily Times



Early errors

Epidemiologists and former public health officials say the U.K.’s strategy for combating COVID-19 was muddled—leading to delays in purchasing essential equipment and tests, mixed messages about public health practices, and a lag behind its neighbors in implementing social distancing and other restrictions. That likely allowed the virus to spread fast and undetected.

Britain’s first mistake, according to Ashton, came around the time when the coronavirus was first confirmed in England, on Jan. 31. Prime Minister Boris Johnson chose not to chair a meeting of the government’s emergency COBRA committee, leaving his health secretary Matt Hancock to do so instead. “Because Johnson didn’t chair the meeting at the beginning of February, the government missed the opportunity to see that they needed to be ready to do lots of testing, that they would need to sort out stocks for personal protection and for oxygen and other supplies,” Ashton says.

Johnson’s decision not to step in until the beginning of March was “a surprise” that allowed shortages of vital health equipment, including tests, to sneak up on the British government, says Dr. Liam Smeeth, an epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. The mistake, he says, was that the government placed too much confidence in Britain’s scientists and doctors, without doing enough to obtain the scarce equipment they required to do their jobs. “During the Ebola outbreak, the government could say, what we need is some personal protective equipment or test kits, so let’s find a hundred million pounds and buy them,” Smeeth told TIME. “But it very rapidly became obvious in the coronavirus pandemic that this was a global problem, and therefore global supply chains just dried up. Instantly countries were competing for the supply of goods in a way that we hadn’t really seen before. I don’t think that was something people here were really prepared for.”

Still, in the early stages of the outbreak in February, Britain appeared to be coping well with identifying the infected and doing contact tracing. When the first two cases were identified in the northern city of York at the end of January, health officials put them into isolation and traced their contacts. The same was done for a man from Brighton, who had traveled to Singapore and then France before returning home and infecting four people. “The U.K. did really well with the earliest cases,” says Helen Ward, an epidemiologist at Imperial College London, whose colleagues are mathematical modelers advising the U.K. government on the spread of the disease. “I think they did a pretty good job.”

Sky New

Sunday 19th April 2020

7,500 deaths in care homes in England alone not included in UK Death Toll so far .

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From my point of view I agree more with Annis .I think the government got it wrong and still are .I think the lockdown was not soon enough and not severe enough.Still a wish washy lockdown at moment

From my point of view I agree more with Annis .I think the government got it wrong and still are .I think the lockdown was not soon enough and not severe enough.Still a wish washy lockdown at moment

From my point of view I agree more with Annis .I think the government got it wrong and still are .I think the lockdown was not soon enough and not severe enough.Still a wish washy lockdown at moment

It's only wishy washy because a percentage of the population are thick as shit and won't listen. Then there is London who think the rules don't apply to them

Pointless all the bickering about who or what country did a good / bad job. The deaths and economics will be a disaster for all countries. Anger should only be directed to one thing - CHINA, like the last 3 pandemics, their filthy stone age hygenie and a lying cheating government.

From my point of view I agree more with Annis .I think the government got it wrong and still are .I think the lockdown was not soon enough and not severe enough.Still a wish washy lockdown at moment

It's only wishy washy because a percentage of the population are thick as shit and won't listen. Then there is London who think the rules don't apply to them

Agree with you Tom - Sadly this is going to get worse as this week people have to start another 3 weeks of lockdown .
Good Weather in the UK next week - Parks to reopen - just had 2 bad days of rain most parts of UK -
Some people will take matters into their own hands - figs are not going down on an avg over the last 11 days .

UK minister: 'All governments make mistakes'

Senior UK minister Michael Gove has conceded that the government made mistakes in its handling of the coronavirus.

He told the BBC's Andrew Marr: "All governments make mistakes, including our own. We seek to learn and to improve every day.

"It is the case, I'm sure, at some point in the future, that there will be an opportunity for us to look back, to reflect and to learn some profound lessons."

His comments come following accusations that the UK government was slow to act in preparing for the health crisis.

Spain's death toll slows

Spain's death toll from the Covid-19 outbreak rose by 410 on Sunday, down from 565 on Saturday, the health ministry said, bringing the total to 20,453 deaths in one of the world's hardest-hit countries.

The number of overall coronavirus cases rose to 195,944 on Sunday from 191,726 on Saturday, it added.

From my point of view I agree more with Annis .I think the government got it wrong and still are .I think the lockdown was not soon enough and not severe enough.Still a wish washy lockdown at moment

Totally agree with John, it was late and way to laid back lockdown.

A walk in the park lockdown.

Parks open and family walks and bike rides what the hell is that all about.

Spain's death toll slows

Spain's death toll from the Covid-19 outbreak rose by 410 on Sunday, down from 565 on Saturday, the health ministry said, bringing the total to 20,453 deaths in one of the world's hardest-hit countries.

The number of overall coronavirus cases rose to 195,944 on Sunday from 191,726 on Saturday, it added.

With everyday that passes the data on deaths is in my opinion highlighting the mistakes our government has made during this whole crisis. The graph that Annis has shown, which monitors deaths from the start of lockdowns in both Spain & the UK, clearly shows that it is highly likely the UK will have the overall highest number of deaths than any other country in Europe.

Each day the UK government show a graph which tracks deaths in countries based on the day each country recorded 50 deaths for the first time. That's fine but like all statistics you can look at the information, As Annis has done, and you get a different picture.

If you compare the highest recorded daily deaths in each country Spain had 961 on the 2nd April, the UK recorded 980 on 10th April. In Spain it was 9 days later that deaths dropped below 600 for the first time, 525 0n April 11th. Since the UK had it's worst day we haven't had a day below 700 deaths and today is the 9th day since our highest recorded daily deaths. Anyone have any confidence we will have less than 600 deaths like Spain.

If recorded deaths don't start dropping, and quickly, it is hard to argue that our government failed to introduce a lockdown early enough and when they did it was not severe enough. Spain has had to endure a far tighter lockdown than the UK and generally their people have respected it better than some idiots in this country.

I don't like this current feeding frenzy of the UK media and their flatout culture of blame and really the only thing we can do is support the government and respect the lockdown.

Spain's death toll slows

Spain's death toll from the Covid-19 outbreak rose by 410 on Sunday, down from 565 on Saturday, the health ministry said, bringing the total to 20,453 deaths in one of the world's hardest-hit countries.

The number of overall coronavirus cases rose to 195,944 on Sunday from 191,726 on Saturday, it added.

With everyday that passes the data on deaths is in my opinion highlighting the mistakes our government has made during this whole crisis. The graph that Annis has shown, which monitors deaths from the start of lockdowns in both Spain & the UK, clearly shows that it is highly likely the UK will have the overall highest number of deaths than any other country in Europe.

Each day the UK government show a graph which tracks deaths in countries based on the day each country recorded 50 deaths for the first time. That's fine but like all statistics you can look at the information, As Annis has done, and you get a different picture.

If you compare the highest recorded daily deaths in each country Spain had 961 on the 2nd April, the UK recorded 980 on 10th April. In Spain it was 9 days later that deaths dropped below 600 for the first time, 525 0n April 11th. Since the UK had it's worst day we haven't had a day below 700 deaths and today is the 9th day since our highest recorded daily deaths. Anyone have any confidence we will have less than 600 deaths like Spain.

If recorded deaths don't start dropping, and quickly, it is hard to argue that our government failed to introduce a lockdown early enough and when they did it was not severe enough. Spain has had to endure a far tighter lockdown than the UK and generally their people have respected it better than some idiots in this country.

I don't like this current feeding frenzy of the UK media and their flatout culture of blame and really the only thing we can do is support the government and respect the lockdown.

im not sure we would have had a lockdown at all if it wasn't for public pressure on the internet and Macron threatening to cut our supplies off by closing the channel tunnel... and no government once locked down is ever going to admit it was a mistake especially when they can point at others that did likewise..
but...the big plus re corona virus here compared to elsewhere is that we don't have people dying in passages and a lack of ICU beds or respirators as was the case in countries that are being held up as models .. the idea was to flatten the curve...its not over by any stretch but we have given ourselves a chance we might yet succeed mate..

Spain's death toll slows

Spain's death toll from the Covid-19 outbreak rose by 410 on Sunday, down from 565 on Saturday, the health ministry said, bringing the total to 20,453 deaths in one of the world's hardest-hit countries.

The number of overall coronavirus cases rose to 195,944 on Sunday from 191,726 on Saturday, it added.

With everyday that passes the data on deaths is in my opinion highlighting the mistakes our government has made during this whole crisis. The graph that Annis has shown, which monitors deaths from the start of lockdowns in both Spain & the UK, clearly shows that it is highly likely the UK will have the overall highest number of deaths than any other country in Europe.

Each day the UK government show a graph which tracks deaths in countries based on the day each country recorded 50 deaths for the first time. That's fine but like all statistics you can look at the information, As Annis has done, and you get a different picture.

If you compare the highest recorded daily deaths in each country Spain had 961 on the 2nd April, the UK recorded 980 on 10th April. In Spain it was 9 days later that deaths dropped below 600 for the first time, 525 0n April 11th. Since the UK had it's worst day we haven't had a day below 700 deaths and today is the 9th day since our highest recorded daily deaths. Anyone have any confidence we will have less than 600 deaths like Spain.

If recorded deaths don't start dropping, and quickly, it is hard to argue that our government failed to introduce a lockdown early enough and when they did it was not severe enough. Spain has had to endure a far tighter lockdown than the UK and generally their people have respected it better than some idiots in this country.

I don't like this current feeding frenzy of the UK media and their flatout culture of blame and really the only thing we can do is support the government and respect the lockdown.

im not sure we would have had a lockdown at all if it wasn't for public pressure on the internet and Macron threatening to cut our supplies off by closing the channel tunnel... and no government once locked down is ever going to admit it was a mistake especially when they can point at others that did likewise..
but...the big plus re corona virus here compared to elsewhere is that we don't have people dying in passages and a lack of ICU beds or respirators as was the case in countries that are being held up as models .. the idea was to flatten the curve...its not over by any stretch but we have given ourselves a chance we might yet succeed mate..

Your spot on about the ICU beds and equipment as we have not seen scenes like those shown on TV from both Spain and Italy which were harrowing.

Well todays data shows UK deaths below 600 and like both Spain and Italy that drop has happened 9 days after the highest daily death totals in all 3 countries. It will be interesting to see the data for the next 7 days because if we track data from Spain which saw stabilisation around 500-600 followed by another reduction then at worst we will have had the same results as them.

Spain's death toll slows

Spain's death toll from the Covid-19 outbreak rose by 410 on Sunday, down from 565 on Saturday, the health ministry said, bringing the total to 20,453 deaths in one of the world's hardest-hit countries.

The number of overall coronavirus cases rose to 195,944 on Sunday from 191,726 on Saturday, it added.

With everyday that passes the data on deaths is in my opinion highlighting the mistakes our government has made during this whole crisis. The graph that Annis has shown, which monitors deaths from the start of lockdowns in both Spain & the UK, clearly shows that it is highly likely the UK will have the overall highest number of deaths than any other country in Europe.

Each day the UK government show a graph which tracks deaths in countries based on the day each country recorded 50 deaths for the first time. That's fine but like all statistics you can look at the information, As Annis has done, and you get a different picture.

If you compare the highest recorded daily deaths in each country Spain had 961 on the 2nd April, the UK recorded 980 on 10th April. In Spain it was 9 days later that deaths dropped below 600 for the first time, 525 0n April 11th. Since the UK had it's worst day we haven't had a day below 700 deaths and today is the 9th day since our highest recorded daily deaths. Anyone have any confidence we will have less than 600 deaths like Spain.

If recorded deaths don't start dropping, and quickly, it is hard to argue that our government failed to introduce a lockdown early enough and when they did it was not severe enough. Spain has had to endure a far tighter lockdown than the UK and generally their people have respected it better than some idiots in this country.

I don't like this current feeding frenzy of the UK media and their flatout culture of blame and really the only thing we can do is support the government and respect the lockdown.

im not sure we would have had a lockdown at all if it wasn't for public pressure on the internet and Macron threatening to cut our supplies off by closing the channel tunnel... and no government once locked down is ever going to admit it was a mistake especially when they can point at others that did likewise..
but...the big plus re corona virus here compared to elsewhere is that we don't have people dying in passages and a lack of ICU beds or respirators as was the case in countries that are being held up as models .. the idea was to flatten the curve...its not over by any stretch but we have given ourselves a chance we might yet succeed mate..

Your spot on about the ICU beds and equipment as we have not seen scenes like those shown on TV from both Spain and Italy which were harrowing.

Well todays data shows UK deaths below 600 and like both Spain and Italy that drop has happened 9 days after the highest daily death totals in all 3 countries. It will be interesting to see the data for the next 7 days because if we track data from Spain which saw stabilisation around 500-600 followed by another reduction then at worst we will have had the same results as them.

we are getting far more correct than incorrect mate... its easy to see the negatives as there are bound to be plenty { and not enough kit even had we stocked 10 times as much } but our experts were openly saying how lock down goes { the jumps in figures are readily available and very similar country to country } which is why we bought time to at least try to prep... by lockdown we had over 30k empty hospital beds, had bought tons of PPE and thousands of respirators.. which other lockdown countries had not abut jumped in head first anyway...
the numbers are likely to go back up though..read twice today some senior ministers and health advisors are considering running our hospitals hot to get over the hill..

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Govt mismanaged this on a massive scale

Spanish cases rise to over 200,000

The number of people diagnosed with coronavirus has risen to 200,210, according to Spain's health ministry.

Nearly 400 new deaths have also been reported since yesterday, bringing the total toll to 20,852.

Spain has the second-highest number of confirmed infection cases in the world, behind the US, figures from Johns Hopkins University say.

Coronavirus deaths in the UK

Across the UK, 16,060 people have died with coronavirus in hospitals, as of 5pm on 18 April - the latest official UK-wide figures available.

This figure, and the numbers below, are expected to be higher when non-hospital deaths are taken into account.
In terms of testing, 372,967 people have been tested across the UK, of which 120,067 tested positive.