FOOTBALL: “ THE WAR OF THE ROSES “
Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:55 am
“ THE WAR OF THE ROSES “
“ REAL HATRED / BUT I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO GO TO THIS MATCH “
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vWlGx0Vkx94 Hatred
WILL IT HAPPEN AGAIN NEXT SEASON?
I want to be there
Alex Ferguson says like a scene from the film Zulu going to End lland road
This season LEEDS took 2,000 fans to Old Trafford midweek for a youth game and sang hatred songs for 90 mins.
REAL HATRED
I know fans from both sides and LEEDS only hate one club , Man United.
Man United hate Liverpool, Man City but also detest LEEDS.
My good friend Nicky Muff from Leeds:
"During the early nineties we played Scum three times in a couple of weeks .One of the games a Rangers fan came to one of the games at Elland Road ...I ask him of the atmosphere compare to the old firm his reply was .....this is Hate.”
Video :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N7JPSOhL1 ... e=youtu.be
“ REAL HATRED / BUT I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO GO TO THIS MATCH “
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vWlGx0Vkx94 Hatred
WILL IT HAPPEN AGAIN NEXT SEASON?
I want to be there
Alex Ferguson says like a scene from the film Zulu going to End lland road
This season LEEDS took 2,000 fans to Old Trafford midweek for a youth game and sang hatred songs for 90 mins.
REAL HATRED
I know fans from both sides and LEEDS only hate one club , Man United.
Man United hate Liverpool, Man City but also detest LEEDS.
My good friend Nicky Muff from Leeds:
"During the early nineties we played Scum three times in a couple of weeks .One of the games a Rangers fan came to one of the games at Elland Road ...I ask him of the atmosphere compare to the old firm his reply was .....this is Hate.”
Video :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N7JPSOhL1 ... e=youtu.be
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Re: “ I have always wanted to go to this UK derby match “
Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:06 am
A Man United fan and close friend over here , just pm me after reading what I put
Mark:
“I know they hate us , but it will never be a derby and will never be as important as the Liverpool game, we hate them for the Munich songs, they are total idiotic has beens or never beens. It is however sad about Norman Hunter mind, proper footballer, real hard case on the field the type of which we don’t seen nowadays or in-fact for many years.”
“I have done both games many times, Belend road is real hatred, vile & disgusting from their side but Anfield is proper football occasion.”
“ Leeds fans are vile end of.”
Mark:
“I know they hate us , but it will never be a derby and will never be as important as the Liverpool game, we hate them for the Munich songs, they are total idiotic has beens or never beens. It is however sad about Norman Hunter mind, proper footballer, real hard case on the field the type of which we don’t seen nowadays or in-fact for many years.”
“I have done both games many times, Belend road is real hatred, vile & disgusting from their side but Anfield is proper football occasion.”
“ Leeds fans are vile end of.”
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Re: “ I have always wanted to go to this UK derby match “
Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:13 am
The rivalry between Manchester United and Leeds that turned to hate
As my team prepare to face their fiercest foes once again, memories flood back of a feud that became poisonous
In 1994, on the death of Sir Matt Busby, a minute's silence was held, and impeccably observed, at almost every ground. But not at Ewood Park. There, hundreds of Leeds United fans disrupted the tribute to the former Manchester United manager by chanting: "There's only one Don Revie."
Only four years had passed since Italia 90, when Paul Gascoigne and Luciano Pavarotti made watching the game respectable again. No one wanted to be reminded of the tribal loathing that had turned the game in the 1980s into a form of social leprosy.
The condemnation was stringent and widespread. The club itself was hugely embarrassed and the manager, Howard Wilkinson, declared himself "numb". The perpetrators, he said, were "out of touch with the rest of football". The chairman, Leslie Silver, vowed to ban them for life and Revie's widow, Elsie, said her husband would have been "horrified" by the fans' behaviour had he still been alive.
Those fans deserved their comeuppance, and not only because of their lack of respect for Busby. Revie's name was dragged through the mud, along with that of Leeds. But much of the criticism was disingenuous. No one who truly understood what it had meant to be a Leeds supporter over the age of 30 should have been remotely surprised by the episode.
For once, however, what was chanted was not about Leeds' then three-decade long poisonous mutual animosity with Manchester United. Not really, anyway. It was a protest about the lack of official recognition afforded Revie at the time of his death on the day Michael Thomas won the title for Arsenal at Anfield in 1989 and the disparity between the universal praise bestowed on Busby and the vilification that dogged the former Leeds and England manager in retirement that had even manifested itself in the liberal employment of snide remarks in his obituaries.
But it was easier to fall back on the old clichés when reporting the incident: Leeds fans were beyond the pale and had displayed the inferiority complex we suffer towards Manchester United with a reprehensible outburst that offended just about everyone. In fact, however notorious it became, it was the one incident notionally directed by supporters of one of the two clubs at the other since the rivalry began in the mid-60s that was not wholly inspired by spite.
Some amateur anthropologists have claimed the antagonism dates back to some visceral remnant of the Wars of the Roses, but a more accurate assessment would locate the origins of this relatively modern football feud to on-field events in the spring of 1965. With both sides going for the Double, they played an FA Cup semi-final at Hillsborough that turned into a ragged, violent draw. Nobby Stiles's early dreadful tackle on Leeds' left-winger Albert Johanneson set the tone for a game which quickly degenerated into a series of skirmishes on and off the ball between Jack Charlton and Denis Law, and Billy Bremner and Pat Crerand.
The ill feeling spread to the terraces and scuffles, fights and assaults were reported by the city constabularies of Sheffield and Nottingham after that game and the replay four days later at the City Ground, which Leeds won with Billy Bremner's 89th-minute goal. Manchester United, though, had the last laugh, pipping Leeds to the title on goal average while Revie's team, in their first season after promotion, were runners-up in League and Cup.
Up until Manchester United were relegated in 1974, as Leeds enjoyed the upper hand on the pitch with only three defeats in 25 games, trouble between the supporters escalated; it then took a more vicious turn still after the Reds' year of mayhem in the Second Division. It was in their first season back that I went to my first game at Elland Road between the two and the atmosphere was febrile with menace and the most exciting I have ever witnessed.
The transfers from Leeds of Joe Jordan and Gordon McQueen in 1978 made matters worse and the games until we went down in 1982 were defined by violence and "Judas" taunts. Up to 1992 the transfers from Old Trafford to Elland Road – Johnny Giles and Gordon Strachan – had been more effective than the ones going the other way. But then there was Eric Cantona, who had become an adored talisman as his irresistible cameos restored the fans' belief that we could really beat Manchester United to the First Division championship in 1992.
Only months after delighting at the profound misery etched on Alex Ferguson's face as he conceded the title, pretty gracelessly, at Anfield we sold him the Frenchman for next to nothing. They immediately won their first title for 26 years and established a domestic hegemony that endures to this day.
The hostility directed at Cantona on his returns to Elland Road was palpable. A friend's father, who had the season ticket next to me, said during one of those games with dismay: "This isn't rivalry. It's hatred." He was spot-on. A taunting poster erected by Nike on Elland Road during Euro 96 – "1966 was a great year for football. Eric was born" – hardly helped matters.
Some of it is fairly anodyne – they accuse us of enjoying intimate relationships with sheep, we counter by alleging that they come from Godalming. The term "scum" is applied to each other by both and indeed, six years after we were relegated and effectively become irrelevant, a match at Old Trafford rarely goes by without the mass singing of "we all hate Leeds scum".
Battle recommences tomorrow for the first time since Alan Smith scored an equaliser for us there in 2004 – and the first time since the habitual Leeds badge-kisser went back on his pledge "never to sign for them" and high-tailed it over the Pennines.
We haven't won at Old Trafford since 1981, a 28-year gap that has been a weight on Leeds' supporters shoulders. In some ways the game is a twitch on the thread, a memory of what it used to be like and a chance to rekindle the days when we took them on as equals. For once, however, after Simon Grayson's skilful rejuvenation of a moribund club and with everyone focused on promotion from the purgatory of three years in League One, we are rather more preoccupied with getting a bigger monkey off our backs.
As my team prepare to face their fiercest foes once again, memories flood back of a feud that became poisonous
In 1994, on the death of Sir Matt Busby, a minute's silence was held, and impeccably observed, at almost every ground. But not at Ewood Park. There, hundreds of Leeds United fans disrupted the tribute to the former Manchester United manager by chanting: "There's only one Don Revie."
Only four years had passed since Italia 90, when Paul Gascoigne and Luciano Pavarotti made watching the game respectable again. No one wanted to be reminded of the tribal loathing that had turned the game in the 1980s into a form of social leprosy.
The condemnation was stringent and widespread. The club itself was hugely embarrassed and the manager, Howard Wilkinson, declared himself "numb". The perpetrators, he said, were "out of touch with the rest of football". The chairman, Leslie Silver, vowed to ban them for life and Revie's widow, Elsie, said her husband would have been "horrified" by the fans' behaviour had he still been alive.
Those fans deserved their comeuppance, and not only because of their lack of respect for Busby. Revie's name was dragged through the mud, along with that of Leeds. But much of the criticism was disingenuous. No one who truly understood what it had meant to be a Leeds supporter over the age of 30 should have been remotely surprised by the episode.
For once, however, what was chanted was not about Leeds' then three-decade long poisonous mutual animosity with Manchester United. Not really, anyway. It was a protest about the lack of official recognition afforded Revie at the time of his death on the day Michael Thomas won the title for Arsenal at Anfield in 1989 and the disparity between the universal praise bestowed on Busby and the vilification that dogged the former Leeds and England manager in retirement that had even manifested itself in the liberal employment of snide remarks in his obituaries.
But it was easier to fall back on the old clichés when reporting the incident: Leeds fans were beyond the pale and had displayed the inferiority complex we suffer towards Manchester United with a reprehensible outburst that offended just about everyone. In fact, however notorious it became, it was the one incident notionally directed by supporters of one of the two clubs at the other since the rivalry began in the mid-60s that was not wholly inspired by spite.
Some amateur anthropologists have claimed the antagonism dates back to some visceral remnant of the Wars of the Roses, but a more accurate assessment would locate the origins of this relatively modern football feud to on-field events in the spring of 1965. With both sides going for the Double, they played an FA Cup semi-final at Hillsborough that turned into a ragged, violent draw. Nobby Stiles's early dreadful tackle on Leeds' left-winger Albert Johanneson set the tone for a game which quickly degenerated into a series of skirmishes on and off the ball between Jack Charlton and Denis Law, and Billy Bremner and Pat Crerand.
The ill feeling spread to the terraces and scuffles, fights and assaults were reported by the city constabularies of Sheffield and Nottingham after that game and the replay four days later at the City Ground, which Leeds won with Billy Bremner's 89th-minute goal. Manchester United, though, had the last laugh, pipping Leeds to the title on goal average while Revie's team, in their first season after promotion, were runners-up in League and Cup.
Up until Manchester United were relegated in 1974, as Leeds enjoyed the upper hand on the pitch with only three defeats in 25 games, trouble between the supporters escalated; it then took a more vicious turn still after the Reds' year of mayhem in the Second Division. It was in their first season back that I went to my first game at Elland Road between the two and the atmosphere was febrile with menace and the most exciting I have ever witnessed.
The transfers from Leeds of Joe Jordan and Gordon McQueen in 1978 made matters worse and the games until we went down in 1982 were defined by violence and "Judas" taunts. Up to 1992 the transfers from Old Trafford to Elland Road – Johnny Giles and Gordon Strachan – had been more effective than the ones going the other way. But then there was Eric Cantona, who had become an adored talisman as his irresistible cameos restored the fans' belief that we could really beat Manchester United to the First Division championship in 1992.
Only months after delighting at the profound misery etched on Alex Ferguson's face as he conceded the title, pretty gracelessly, at Anfield we sold him the Frenchman for next to nothing. They immediately won their first title for 26 years and established a domestic hegemony that endures to this day.
The hostility directed at Cantona on his returns to Elland Road was palpable. A friend's father, who had the season ticket next to me, said during one of those games with dismay: "This isn't rivalry. It's hatred." He was spot-on. A taunting poster erected by Nike on Elland Road during Euro 96 – "1966 was a great year for football. Eric was born" – hardly helped matters.
Some of it is fairly anodyne – they accuse us of enjoying intimate relationships with sheep, we counter by alleging that they come from Godalming. The term "scum" is applied to each other by both and indeed, six years after we were relegated and effectively become irrelevant, a match at Old Trafford rarely goes by without the mass singing of "we all hate Leeds scum".
Battle recommences tomorrow for the first time since Alan Smith scored an equaliser for us there in 2004 – and the first time since the habitual Leeds badge-kisser went back on his pledge "never to sign for them" and high-tailed it over the Pennines.
We haven't won at Old Trafford since 1981, a 28-year gap that has been a weight on Leeds' supporters shoulders. In some ways the game is a twitch on the thread, a memory of what it used to be like and a chance to rekindle the days when we took them on as equals. For once, however, after Simon Grayson's skilful rejuvenation of a moribund club and with everyone focused on promotion from the purgatory of three years in League One, we are rather more preoccupied with getting a bigger monkey off our backs.
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Re: “ I have always wanted to go to this UK derby match “
Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:15 am
Couldn’t tell you and don’t give a damn.
But as a LEEDS fan for 53 years I can tell you there is something that seems to run through the body of a lot of LUFC fans that you cannot get rid of. I won’t go into great detail here but I witnessed at first hand intimidation from Salford Yanks fans in the late sixties,let’s say after that 68 win of theirs. LEEDS were on the up and the Salford lot were on the slide, so every meeting between the White/Red rose became very hostile and during that seventies before the police had learned how to tackle such behaviour violence flared on many occasions. If we manage to get promoted this time around those feelings will emerge and provide an atmosphere which may hit a level above previous meetings, a thing I doubt would have been possible. As a teenager I would easily use the word hate when describing my feelings towards that lot, at my age now the word hate does not apply, I can talk for ages about my past experiences of this particular fixture but I have no respect at all for them and that is a more powerful thing than any abusive word . ALAW MOT WACCOE
But as a LEEDS fan for 53 years I can tell you there is something that seems to run through the body of a lot of LUFC fans that you cannot get rid of. I won’t go into great detail here but I witnessed at first hand intimidation from Salford Yanks fans in the late sixties,let’s say after that 68 win of theirs. LEEDS were on the up and the Salford lot were on the slide, so every meeting between the White/Red rose became very hostile and during that seventies before the police had learned how to tackle such behaviour violence flared on many occasions. If we manage to get promoted this time around those feelings will emerge and provide an atmosphere which may hit a level above previous meetings, a thing I doubt would have been possible. As a teenager I would easily use the word hate when describing my feelings towards that lot, at my age now the word hate does not apply, I can talk for ages about my past experiences of this particular fixture but I have no respect at all for them and that is a more powerful thing than any abusive word . ALAW MOT WACCOE
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Re: FOOTBALL: “ THE WAR OF THE ROSES “
Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:18 am
Manchester United have an intense rivalry with Leeds United that began as early as 1906 but has its roots much further back in history.
The War of the Roses in the 15th Century, fought between the House of Lancaster (the red rose) and the House of York (the white rose) created a sense of bitterness between the two areas from either side of the Pennines that has never truly disappeared. The fact one team plays in red and the other in white (well, since 1961 anyway) only accentuates that link. It is also a fact that Manchester and Leeds were rivals for business during the Industrial Revolution during the 18th and 19th centuries, and even now compete for new companies investing in the cities.
The War of the Roses in the 15th Century, fought between the House of Lancaster (the red rose) and the House of York (the white rose) created a sense of bitterness between the two areas from either side of the Pennines that has never truly disappeared. The fact one team plays in red and the other in white (well, since 1961 anyway) only accentuates that link. It is also a fact that Manchester and Leeds were rivals for business during the Industrial Revolution during the 18th and 19th centuries, and even now compete for new companies investing in the cities.
Re: FOOTBALL: “ THE WAR OF THE ROSES “
Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:28 am
Re: FOOTBALL: “ THE WAR OF THE ROSES “
Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:35 am
SIR ALEX FERGUSON:
How Sir Alex Ferguson described the last Manchester United v Leeds United as the rivals agree pre-season friendly
The legendary former manager has had a number of run-ins with the club's rivals, including having a cup of Bovril thrown at him, while he called the previous experience 'frightening'
By Damian Mannion
22nd November 2018, 2:44 pm
Updated: 22nd November 2018, 2:59 pm
Manchester United v Leeds United is on.
The two rivals will face each other next summer in a pre-season ‘friendly’, which will be the first time they have come face-to-face in eight years.
Theirs is a bitter rivalry and the last time they met – in a 2011 League Cup match – manager Sir Alex Ferguson said Leeds’ fans made it a ‘frightening’ experience.
On their first visit to Leeds since October 2003, United stayed in a city centre hotel, which then forced police to make a last-minute change to the club’s route to Elland Road after a chanting mob congregated outside of where they stayed.
“We had a lot of problems outside the hotel,” Ferguson said at the time. “I don’t know how many hundreds of them there were, but it was like the film Zulu. The police were fantastic, though. It was frightening. There were seven police vans around the hotel protecting the team.
“I don’t understand it between Leeds and Manchester United. But it’s there and it’s not nice.
“Liverpool-Manchester United games, as we have said before, have always been fierce in many aspects and sometimes supporters can play a bad part in particular games. But it never reaches the levels of Leeds versus United. It’s just modern society I suppose.”
Fergie will tell you he wasn’t even aware of the animosity between the sides when he first arrived at Old Trafford from Aberdeen in 1986.
How Sir Alex Ferguson described the last Manchester United v Leeds United as the rivals agree pre-season friendly
The legendary former manager has had a number of run-ins with the club's rivals, including having a cup of Bovril thrown at him, while he called the previous experience 'frightening'
By Damian Mannion
22nd November 2018, 2:44 pm
Updated: 22nd November 2018, 2:59 pm
Manchester United v Leeds United is on.
The two rivals will face each other next summer in a pre-season ‘friendly’, which will be the first time they have come face-to-face in eight years.
Theirs is a bitter rivalry and the last time they met – in a 2011 League Cup match – manager Sir Alex Ferguson said Leeds’ fans made it a ‘frightening’ experience.
On their first visit to Leeds since October 2003, United stayed in a city centre hotel, which then forced police to make a last-minute change to the club’s route to Elland Road after a chanting mob congregated outside of where they stayed.
“We had a lot of problems outside the hotel,” Ferguson said at the time. “I don’t know how many hundreds of them there were, but it was like the film Zulu. The police were fantastic, though. It was frightening. There were seven police vans around the hotel protecting the team.
“I don’t understand it between Leeds and Manchester United. But it’s there and it’s not nice.
“Liverpool-Manchester United games, as we have said before, have always been fierce in many aspects and sometimes supporters can play a bad part in particular games. But it never reaches the levels of Leeds versus United. It’s just modern society I suppose.”
Fergie will tell you he wasn’t even aware of the animosity between the sides when he first arrived at Old Trafford from Aberdeen in 1986.
Re: FOOTBALL: “ THE WAR OF THE ROSES “
Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:49 am
MANCHESTER UNITED'S friendly against Leeds in Australia was marred by a vicious brawl between the two sets of supporters.
Footage has emerged of fans inside Perth's Optus Stadium trading blows during the match between the two fierce rivals on Wednesday.
Footage has emerged of fans inside Perth's Optus Stadium trading blows during the match between the two fierce rivals on Wednesday.
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Re: FOOTBALL: “ THE WAR OF THE ROSES “
Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:52 am
Sir Alex Ferguson said the sight of the Manchester United team hotel besieged by Leeds fans was "like something out of Zulu".
Should they play at Elland Road again, United will not be using a city centre hotel as they did before Tuesday night's 3-0 win in the Carling Cup which was marred by 24 arrests. While Leeds supporters indulged in their familiar, tasteless reference to the Munich Disaster, there was one banner in the away end that said: "Istanbul", a reference to the two Yorkshire fans killed before a Champions League fixture with Galatasaray in 2000. Ferguson said the atmosphere around the team hotel before kick-off was "frightening".
Should they play at Elland Road again, United will not be using a city centre hotel as they did before Tuesday night's 3-0 win in the Carling Cup which was marred by 24 arrests. While Leeds supporters indulged in their familiar, tasteless reference to the Munich Disaster, there was one banner in the away end that said: "Istanbul", a reference to the two Yorkshire fans killed before a Champions League fixture with Galatasaray in 2000. Ferguson said the atmosphere around the team hotel before kick-off was "frightening".
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