A Country United !?

Boris told us after the election that he will look after all of the UK and bring us together.

So firstly we have the scandal of NHS England gazumping the Welsh Assembly on testing kits.

Now we have this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52279578

Looks like Boris is looking after one country, just not the UK

So we're all in this together ................................. as long as you live in England.

Can't wait to see what the annual financial settlement for the devolved nations is going to be moving forward !!

Boris told us after the election that he will look after all of the UK and bring us together.

So firstly we have the scandal of NHS England gazumping the Welsh Assembly on testing kits.

Now we have this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52279578

Looks like Boris is looking after one country, just not the UK

So we're all in this together ................................. as long as you live in England.

Can't wait to see what the annual financial settlement for the devolved nations is going to be moving forward !!

I hear what you say but...
Is it possible that with an issue like PPE it should be controlled by central government and (hopefully) distributed fairly across UK hospitals as opposed to Wales accessing some and (understandably) just distributing to Welsh hospitals.
Just a thought

Boris told us after the election that he will look after all of the UK and bring us together.

So firstly we have the scandal of NHS England gazumping the Welsh Assembly on testing kits.

Now we have this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52279578

Looks like Boris is looking after one country, just not the UK

So we're all in this together ................................. as long as you live in England.

Can't wait to see what the annual financial settlement for the devolved nations is going to be moving forward !!

I hear what you say but...
Is it possible that with an issue like PPE it should be controlled by central government and (hopefully) distributed fairly across UK hospitals as opposed to Wales accessing some and (understandably) just distributing to Welsh hospitals.
Just a thought

Having it controlled centrally would clearly resolve this problem although then I would question why Health is devolved to each nation within the UK at all.

I think I'm more worried about the general attitude that flies in the face of what Boris said on the steps of No.10 on the day he became PM and as a result cost many lives in Wales and Scotland that might have been avoided if they were on a level playing field.

Boris told us after the election that he will look after all of the UK and bring us together.

So firstly we have the scandal of NHS England gazumping the Welsh Assembly on testing kits.

Now we have this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52279578

Looks like Boris is looking after one country, just not the UK

So we're all in this together ................................. as long as you live in England.

Can't wait to see what the annual financial settlement for the devolved nations is going to be moving forward !!

I hear what you say but...
Is it possible that with an issue like PPE it should be controlled by central government and (hopefully) distributed fairly across UK hospitals as opposed to Wales accessing some and (understandably) just distributing to Welsh hospitals.
Just a thought

Having it controlled centrally would clearly resolve this problem although then I would question why Health is devolved to each nation within the UK at all.

I think I'm more worried about the general attitude that flies in the face of what Boris said on the steps of No.10 on the day he became PM and as a result cost many lives in Wales and Scotland that might have been avoided if they were on a level playing field.

Until we know the facts (which we probably never will) it’s difficult to comment on it imho.
I’m not a big fan of devolved governments anyway but that’s another issue altogether.

Health provision in Wales is the responsibility of the Assembly, not Boris. A country united... the Welsh people had that, and voted against it.

Boris told us after the election that he will look after all of the UK and bring us together.

So firstly we have the scandal of NHS England gazumping the Welsh Assembly on testing kits.

Now we have this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52279578

Looks like Boris is looking after one country, just not the UK

So we're all in this together ................................. as long as you live in England.

Can't wait to see what the annual financial settlement for the devolved nations is going to be moving forward !!

More lies and accusations with no proof.

Sturgeon said "The first minister said although there was no clear evidence PPE was being diverted she wanted "assurances".
Just accusations and excuses for the lack of PPE in Scotland. She also said it is difficult as there is a world wide shortage.

The Welsh Assembly claims of being gazumped by England are efforts to cover up their incompetence. The company they allegedly had a deal with for equipment knew nothing about them, or the deal. The false claims that they had signed a deal soon ended when Vaughan Gethin was asked to show a copy of the agreement. The company clearly stated they only deal with the UK government.

The welsh health minister did say at the time that the welsh goverment had a written agreement with a company from overseas but was gazumped by westminster , the welsh minister vaugh gethin said "now was not the time" but it would be brought up some time in the future, no point in having powers devolved if there overpowered by england, but there is a history of this , english mps overiding the wishes of all welsh mps vote, to flood treweryn for liverpool been one example.

You may ask why Vaughan Gethin hadn’t planned for this epidemic. Isn’t that what a Health Minister should be doing?

You may ask why Vaughan Gethin hadn’t planned for this epidemic. Isn’t that what a Health Minister should be doing?

NHS Wales doubled ther bed capacity in readiness. That is simpy an incredible achievement thatnone of the UK countries have got anywhere near.

NHS Wales got in before NHS England in terms of ordering testing kits, before being gazumped (and yes this will come out after the crisis because it's pretty widely accepted on both sides of the argument but they've agreed to park it in the interests of focusing on what's coming).

Where exactly has NHS Wales fallen behind NHS England in it's planning in your opinion ? I'm intrigued.

Eventually, when we get through this there will be a lot of soul searching and hopefully a different taxation model and another vote on the Welsh (assembly) governments existence.

I voted against it over 20 years ago and it had regrettably proved me correct. Labour were dead keen and probably still are secretly on a second referendum in case we changed our minds, how about a pulse check on WAG.

Its for third raters. Anyone decent heads further down the M4 to London where the real power is. Ron Davies, Alun Michael, and Rhodri Morgan were average to good MP's. They were gods in Cardiff Bay.

If the concept is not poor the application certainly has been. Arlene Foster and Nicola Sturgeon must look at Drakeford a scream WTF, we got no chance with this loser on our side.

You may ask why Vaughan Gethin hadn’t planned for this epidemic. Isn’t that what a Health Minister should be doing?

NHS Wales doubled ther bed capacity in readiness. That is simpy an incredible achievement thatnone of the UK countries have got anywhere near.

NHS Wales got in before NHS England in terms of ordering testing kits, before being gazumped (and yes this will come out after the crisis because it's pretty widely accepted on both sides of the argument but they've agreed to park it in the interests of focusing on what's coming).

Where exactly has NHS Wales fallen behind NHS England in it's planning in your opinion ? I'm intrigued.

Doubled because we had hardly any in the first place!

You may ask why Vaughan Gethin hadn’t planned for this epidemic. Isn’t that what a Health Minister should be doing?

NHS Wales doubled ther bed capacity in readiness. That is simpy an incredible achievement thatnone of the UK countries have got anywhere near.

NHS Wales got in before NHS England in terms of ordering testing kits, before being gazumped (and yes this will come out after the crisis because it's pretty widely accepted on both sides of the argument but they've agreed to park it in the interests of focusing on what's coming).

Where exactly has NHS Wales fallen behind NHS England in it's planning in your opinion ? I'm intrigued.

Doubled because we had hardly any in the first place!

Probably correct but not far off the beds per person of the rest of the UK yet the increase was significantly bigger proportionately. Credit where it's due.

You may ask why Vaughan Gethin hadn’t planned for this epidemic. Isn’t that what a Health Minister should be doing?

NHS Wales doubled ther bed capacity in readiness. That is simpy an incredible achievement thatnone of the UK countries have got anywhere near.

NHS Wales got in before NHS England in terms of ordering testing kits, before being gazumped (and yes this will come out after the crisis because it's pretty widely accepted on both sides of the argument but they've agreed to park it in the interests of focusing on what's coming).

Where exactly has NHS Wales fallen behind NHS England in it's planning in your opinion ? I'm intrigued.

Your yardstick is how the other side appears to be doing. That doesn’t matter, but does show that it doesn’t matter if Wales gets it wrong, because the English did. Which is nowhere at all.

You may ask why Vaughan Gethin hadn’t planned for this epidemic. Isn’t that what a Health Minister should be doing?

NHS Wales doubled ther bed capacity in readiness. That is simpy an incredible achievement thatnone of the UK countries have got anywhere near.

NHS Wales got in before NHS England in terms of ordering testing kits, before being gazumped (and yes this will come out after the crisis because it's pretty widely accepted on both sides of the argument but they've agreed to park it in the interests of focusing on what's coming).

Where exactly has NHS Wales fallen behind NHS England in it's planning in your opinion ? I'm intrigued.

Your yardstick is how the other side appears to be doing. That doesn’t matter, but does show that it doesn’t matter if Wales gets it wrong, because the English did. Which is nowhere at all.

I agree with you on that, tis is not a race to the bottom.

However, I was responding to criticism aimed at the Assembly whereas they have clearly had the rug pulled from under them by the UK government.

I'll make it clear, I'm yet to see any government that has got this right. Don't forget President Trump said all this would be over by Easter

I know.. but I wouldn’t believe much he or anyone else says, everything’s changing quite quickly. Re: the Assembly, it’s a very expensive failure for me, and to watch them in chamber is embarrassing, and that’s being extremely kind.

I know.. but I wouldn’t believe much he or anyone else says, everything’s changing quite quickly. Re: the Assembly, it’s a very expensive failure for me, and to watch them in chamber is embarrassing, and that’s being extremely kind.

The point some of you are missing is the Senedd's preparation was far better than Westminster. I'm certainly not a Labour supporter but the facts are the Senedd had ordered 5000 test a day from Roche in Switzerland. Westminster took those test for England. 5000 would have made a great difference because testing is the only way to beat this. Then come this PPE saga where companies have been told to take orders from England only.
I respect political views even if disagreeing with them, but ignoring the truth is another thing. Lot's of you like to slag the Senedd off but take a minute to think of just some of the things Wales has led on - organ donation, cigarette ban in pubs etc, charge for plastic bags, minimum alcohol price, the list goes on. Wales can lead where others follow. After this crisis where Welsh lives are being treat as second class to those offer the border by Westminster you need to take a long look ar yourself.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2020-04- ... xFZyGGIgDw

Never mind power plants, M4, Swansea barrage, land swindle, atrocious investment, racetrack... all’s ok, we’ve got plastic bags and a fag ban. That’s the level this chimpanzee Assembly is operating at.

Never mind power plants, M4, Swansea barrage, land swindle, atrocious investment, racetrack... all’s ok, we’ve got plastic bags and a fag ban. That’s the level this chimpanzee Assembly is operating at.

Never mind power plants, M4, Swansea barrage, land swindle, atrocious investment, racetrack... all’s ok, we’ve got plastic bags and a fag ban. That’s the level this chimpanzee Assembly is operating at.

Erm Swansea barrage was stopped in Westminster. M4? Both sides to that one I know but you can’t aim for a greener Wales and the go building more motorways. If your team is playing badly then you change the manager don’t you and that’s what needed in the senedd. A party that cares about Wales with new exciting ideas. Not dame old unionist parties

Never mind power plants, M4, Swansea barrage, land swindle, atrocious investment, racetrack... all’s ok, we’ve got plastic bags and a fag ban. That’s the level this chimpanzee Assembly is operating at.

Absolutely spot on, the Assembly is all about gimmicks nothing more. Close it down

Never mind power plants, M4, Swansea barrage, land swindle, atrocious investment, racetrack... all’s ok, we’ve got plastic bags and a fag ban. That’s the level this chimpanzee Assembly is operating at.

Erm Swansea barrage was stopped in Westminster. M4? Both sides to that one I know but you can’t aim for a greener Wales and the go building more motorways. If your team is playing badly then you change the manager don’t you and that’s what needed in the senedd. A party that cares about Wales with new exciting ideas. Not dame old unionist parties

A greener Wales babbling chimp Drakeford said the W.A.G are not actively seeking increased business for Cardiff Airport because they don’t want to increase pollution so we all drag our cars to Bristol for flights.

2nd rate politicians in a 2nd rate institution.

Close it down

2nd rate politicians in a 2nd rate institution.

Close it down

And you rate those in Westminster!!! Look at the mess were in, the deaths, the suffering simply down to Westminster’s incompetence. It didn’t have to be like this look at New Zealand, Germany, Finland, Denmark etc

Never mind power plants, M4, Swansea barrage, land swindle, atrocious investment, racetrack... all’s ok, we’ve got plastic bags and a fag ban. That’s the level this chimpanzee Assembly is operating at.

Erm Swansea barrage was stopped in Westminster. M4? Both sides to that one I know but you can’t aim for a greener Wales and the go building more motorways. If your team is playing badly then you change the manager don’t you and that’s what needed in the senedd. A party that cares about Wales with new exciting ideas. Not dame old unionist parties

A greener Wales babbling chimp Drakeford said the W.A.G are not actively seeking increased business for Cardiff Airport because they don’t want to increase pollution so we all drag our cars to Bristol for flights.

I’m certainly not going to defend Drakeford, what’s needed is a change of government. You of all people should know how thing are in Scotland with a government that cares for it’s people.

I know.. but I wouldn’t believe much he or anyone else says, everything’s changing quite quickly. Re: the Assembly, it’s a very expensive failure for me, and to watch them in chamber is embarrassing, and that’s being extremely kind.

The point some of you are missing is the Senedd's preparation was far better than Westminster. I'm certainly not a Labour supporter but the facts are the Senedd had ordered 5000 test a day from Roche in Switzerland. Westminster took those test for England. 5000 would have made a great difference because testing is the only way to beat this. Then come this PPE saga where companies have been told to take orders from England only.
I respect political views even if disagreeing with them, but ignoring the truth is another thing. Lot's of you like to slag the Senedd off but take a minute to think of just some of the things Wales has led on - organ donation, cigarette ban in pubs etc, charge for plastic bags, minimum alcohol price, the list goes on. Wales can lead where others follow. After this crisis where Welsh lives are being treat as second class to those offer the border by Westminster you need to take a long look ar yourself.

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2020-04- ... xFZyGGIgDw

whats become clear is Wales couldn't cope with 5k tests a day...so therefore, far from having a rug pulled they were actually going deprive others of tests that could be carried out...basically youd rather kit be sat on shelves in Wales than used elsewhere....the exact attitude your critical of...

Eventually, when we get through this there will be a lot of soul searching and hopefully a different taxation model and another vote on the Welsh (assembly) governments existence.

I voted against it over 20 years ago and it had regrettably proved me correct. Labour were dead keen and probably still are secretly on a second referendum in case we changed our minds, how about a pulse check on WAG.

Its for third raters. Anyone decent heads further down the M4 to London where the real power is. Ron Davies, Alun Michael, and Rhodri Morgan were average to good MP's. They were gods in Cardiff Bay.

If the concept is not poor the application certainly has been. Arlene Foster and Nicola Sturgeon must look at Drakeford a scream WTF, we got no chance with this loser on our side.

This is absolutely spot on

2nd rate politicians in a 2nd rate institution.

Close it down

And you rate those in Westminster!!! Look at the mess were in, the deaths, the suffering simply down to Westminster’s incompetence. It didn’t have to be like this look at New Zealand, Germany, Finland, Denmark etc

Blaming London for Wales woes is the usual go to for the Nats.. devolution has failed because Wales doesn’t have any quality politicians, only third rate buffoons. It must be the fault of England.

How much did Adam Price cost us with his failed project? Oddly, he hasn’t said.