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The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell after h

Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:37 pm

The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell after he pulls up lame on nightmare return to action


Monday 1st March 2020

By Glen Williams


The Bluebirds striker was named to start against Watford for Steve Morison's under-23s but limped off in the first half after chasing a ball through from Brad Smith

Early reports suggest Vassell will miss the rest of the season.


Isaac Vassell hobbles off for Cardiff City's Under-23s


Isaac Vassell endured a nightmare turn to competitive action when he limped off just 25 minutes into Cardiff City's under-23s match against Watford.

Excitement was building over the player's return to action, with first-team boss Neil Harris tentatively hoping the striker would be back in senior contention within the next month or so.

But he now appears to have suffered an almighty setback.



There had been barely 25 minutes played at Leckwith when Brad Smith, Cardiff's January signing who is yet to play for the senior side, slid through Vassell for what looked to be a one-on-one with the Watford goalkeeper.

But, in sprinting for the ball, he pulled up, feeling the top and side of his leg. He has been sidelined with what we understand to be a torn quad since September and it looked like flare-up of that very area.

He subsequently pulled his shirt over his face in clear agony and limped towards Steve Morison, swiftly replaced by Isaak Davies.

Harris came from the stands to greet and console the player, who furiously hit the hurdles at Leckwith's sports park on his way down the tunnel.

Harris put his arm around the player's shoulder as they both disappeared down the tunnel.


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It is another massive blow for the striker, who would have harboured hopes making a comeback sooner rather than later after a nightmare stint on the physio's bench this term.

In this, his first competitive match in around five months, he certainly looked a little rusty.

Earlier in the match, Tom Sang had fizzed a ball across the box, finding Vassell just five yards out and with an open goal in front of him.

The forward, however, completely fluffed his lines with a clean-air shot, before suffering the game-ending blow.

The guy simply can't catch a break.
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Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:24 pm

Vassell after he pulls up lame on nightmare return to action anyone would 5hink he's a, racehorse. Let's hope its not to serious.


Monday 1st

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:35 pm

unfortunatly it looks like he is going to remain a 1 hit wonder.

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:45 pm

Managed to hit the barriers alright.

Another sick note sorry.

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:01 pm

JULES K

he did come on played for 10 mins and scored one goal i was there as a witness.

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:12 pm

Matt Connoly
Jazz
Isaac
Pretty rotten luck for all these players, but where was the due dilligence from the Ceo and Chairman who surely sanctioned these contract extentions and the purchase of Isaac on good salaries and a transfer fee.

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:12 pm

Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:25 pm

Spot on. Loads of people out there don't get any sick pay when injured and unable to work .

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:12 pm

thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.



That is simply not true thomasblue,if you are injured at work,your company are obliged to find you a position in the company,that suits your current injury needs,maybe not what you were signed up for,but a position nonetheless.most people who are injured whilst performing their duties,can also claim compensation! Not be fired as you suggest.if I had a bad injury that was due to me doing my work,there are things put in place where you cannot just be f@cked off.whilst I agree with you in terms of being a supporter, and what we would like to see happen,it simply can't. :old: :bluebird:

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:18 pm

skiprat wrote:Spot on. Loads of people out there don't get any sick pay when injured and unable to work .



Eh? Maybe part time workers who don't earn enough to be covered by statutory sick pay.he could argue that as the injury took place,whilst doing his work,he wants compensation (probably not as a footballer) my brother suffered serious ankle injury whilst doing a job he has done for 40 years,was on full pay for at least 6 months,and that's the council,he also received £17,500 through a claim for his injuries.surely some of his wage would be covered by the club's insurance or something?? :old: :bluebird:

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:21 pm

thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.



In breach of contract? Whilst doing his job! He could claim compo in that case,for getting injured whilst performing his duties.I would imagine any players wages would be less,whilst out injured. :old: :bluebird:

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:24 pm

All sickys must be got rid of. Can't go on paying for passengers. Tough but that's life.

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:30 pm

Don’t forget Transfer committee formed 4yrs ago Tan, Choo, Dalman and any manager we have at the time all have their say in new signings.

Vassell was injury prone at Birmingham and had been injured for well over a year .


Also for me Vassell has been rushed back.

The whole committee once again have to take the blame for £millions wasted.

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:32 pm

Thewifestheboss wrote:All sickys must be got rid of. Can't go on paying for passengers. Tough but that's life.


So that’s Tomlin gone then, based on your logic !!

Bamba would have already gone !!

Get real. Every club carries long term injuries, it happens and you just hope they come back strong !!

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:08 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
Thewifestheboss wrote:All sickys must be got rid of. Can't go on paying for passengers. Tough but that's life.


So that’s Tomlin gone then, based on your logic !!

Bamba would have already gone !!

Get real. Every club carries long term injuries, it happens and you just hope they come back strong !!




sorry mate but I think your talking about real world stuff...
we are talking here about people that think only Cardiff players get injured and those in charge should be a cross between Dr Killdare and Nostradamus..

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:17 pm

bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.



That is simply not true thomasblue,if you are injured at work,your company are obliged to find you a position in the company,that suits your current injury needs,maybe not what you were signed up for,but a position nonetheless.most people who are injured whilst performing their duties,can also claim compensation! Not be fired as you suggest.if I had a bad injury that was due to me doing my work,there are things put in place where you cannot just be f@cked off.whilst I agree with you in terms of being a supporter, and what we would like to see happen,it simply can't. :old: :bluebird:


Rubbish. If you offer services and sign a contract then are unable to carry out those services then you are not honouring the contract.
That contract can be seen as null and void. How can a player only be able to be fit for 10 minutes of a whole season ?
If he wants a role whilst injured make him a ball boy and pay him accordingly

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:28 pm

thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.



That is simply not true thomasblue,if you are injured at work,your company are obliged to find you a position in the company,that suits your current injury needs,maybe not what you were signed up for,but a position nonetheless.most people who are injured whilst performing their duties,can also claim compensation! Not be fired as you suggest.if I had a bad injury that was due to me doing my work,there are things put in place where you cannot just be f@cked off.whilst I agree with you in terms of being a supporter, and what we would like to see happen,it simply can't. :old: :bluebird:


Rubbish. If you offer services and sign a contract then are unable to carry out those services then you are not honouring the contract.
That contract can be seen as null and void. How can a player only be able to be fit for 10 minutes of a whole season ?
If he wants a role whilst injured make him a ball boy and pay him accordingly



of course its rubbish...players get sacked every week... :?

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:42 pm

Sad but terminate contact.

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:47 pm

Gutted for him but even more gutted for us

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:50 pm

Not everyone gets paid on the sick. A lot of people who regularly go on the sick get shown the door.

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:59 pm

skiprat wrote:Not everyone gets paid on the sick. A lot of people who regularly go on the sick get shown the door.



happens all the time mate Bale got sacked for the 5th time just a few weeks ago..

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:45 pm

skiprat wrote:Not everyone gets paid on the sick. A lot of people who regularly go on the sick get shown the door.


Get real mate a footballer injured in a match or training is not on the sick they effectively have a work placed injury

Different to an office worker having seven bouts of short term absence that you will get fired for without a severe medical condition, now an office worker who’s chair collapsed and the injured themselves would be classed as a workplace injury or any other accident in work effectively for which you will not be dismissed and you would likely be able to claim compensation

The other guys point about being not fit for the job may mean that a club would seek a termination for a player that’s always injured but that would cost also, most clubs just won’t renew a players contract and most clubs have insurance to cover wages whilst a player is out injured

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:46 am

Be good to know whether our deal with him was performance and appearance based. Its one thing signing someone with a bad recent history and putting him on full wages for the duration of his contract but its altogether different if given a contract on reduced money but increasing when a set number of games played.

Journos, and most fans, only ever interested in the "£30k a week" headline but I'm sure lots of these are only £30k a week when playing and winning.

No one in their right mind would be putting new contracts to the Connollys and Vassells of this world that weren't based like that. Same applies to Bamba really who whilst a massive fans favourite was very lucky to be given "a new contract" whilst he was out with his injury. Depends what the new contract actually offered and we don't know.

Its niaive to think we can just move these injured players on. We can, but at the cost of paying up their contracts. That's why they have a contract. And unlike a normal workplace environment they are contracted for what are fairly short periods of time compared to the general employment market. And, as has been said, injured footballers are in effect suffering work place injuries.

As for insurance, I really can't see insurance companies taking on a known risk like Vassell would be. And if they did the conditions would be lengthy and the premium would be very heavy indeed.

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:40 am

Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:Be good to know whether our deal with him was performance and appearance based. Its one thing signing someone with a bad recent history and putting him on full wages for the duration of his contract but its altogether different if given a contract on reduced money but increasing when a set number of games played.

Journos, and most fans, only ever interested in the "£30k a week" headline but I'm sure lots of these are only £30k a week when playing and winning.

No one in their right mind would be putting new contracts to the Connollys and Vassells of this world that weren't based like that. Same applies to Bamba really who whilst a massive fans favourite was very lucky to be given "a new contract" whilst he was out with his injury. Depends what the new contract actually offered and we don't know.

Its niaive to think we can just move these injured players on. We can, but at the cost of paying up their contracts. That's why they have a contract. And unlike a normal workplace environment they are contracted for what are fairly short periods of time compared to the general employment market. And, as has been said, injured footballers are in effect suffering work place injuries.

As for insurance, I really can't see insurance companies taking on a known risk like Vassell would be. And if they did the conditions would be lengthy and the premium would be very heavy indeed.




its all well and good suggesting these performance related schemes...reality is the boy had a contract which probably had no such clauses because he had not been injury prone when he signed it. and another club showing interest in buying him , so why would anyone in their right mind come here under the suggested conditions ?

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:19 am

dogfound wrote:
Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:Be good to know whether our deal with him was performance and appearance based. Its one thing signing someone with a bad recent history and putting him on full wages for the duration of his contract but its altogether different if given a contract on reduced money but increasing when a set number of games played.

Journos, and most fans, only ever interested in the "£30k a week" headline but I'm sure lots of these are only £30k a week when playing and winning.

No one in their right mind would be putting new contracts to the Connollys and Vassells of this world that weren't based like that. Same applies to Bamba really who whilst a massive fans favourite was very lucky to be given "a new contract" whilst he was out with his injury. Depends what the new contract actually offered and we don't know.

Its niaive to think we can just move these injured players on. We can, but at the cost of paying up their contracts. That's why they have a contract. And unlike a normal workplace environment they are contracted for what are fairly short periods of time compared to the general employment market. And, as has been said, injured footballers are in effect suffering work place injuries.

As for insurance, I really can't see insurance companies taking on a known risk like Vassell would be. And if they did the conditions would be lengthy and the premium would be very heavy indeed.




its all well and good suggesting these performance related schemes...reality is the boy had a contract which probably had no such clauses because he had not been injury prone when he signed it. and another club showing interest in buying him , so why would anyone in their right mind come here under the suggested conditions ?


I don't disagree dogfound. Fully aware of the complexitues of recruitment. His previous contract also relevant. How much, how long left. I realise people don't move for less. I can't imagine clubs were queing up to buy Flint and Glatzel and we are no doubt paying those two more than we should.

I appreciate how difficult it is but our record over recent seasons isn't very good at a time when we have been high profile and expected to be competitive at top end of chamionship which has to make us more attractive.

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:12 am

montyblue wrote:JULES K

he did come on played for 10 mins and scored one goal i was there as a witness.



Fair enough monty but I'm thinking long term here, gutted for the lad but how long before these little niggles turn into something more serious? Also easy to use him for some as yet ANOTHER stick to beat the club with.
The question needs to be asked of who are doing our medicals not the transfer committee.

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:59 am

I think we have to face facts - he is talented, he can get fit, but his body cant remain injury free, there is obviously a flaw in the bones / muscles / ligaments of Isaac that means his body cant handle the demands of playing professional football.

Time to move on etc

Feel very sorry for him - as there is probably nothing he can do about it - and it stopping his career

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:21 am

thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.



You don't half talk some shit

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:04 am

thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.



That is simply not true thomasblue,if you are injured at work,your company are obliged to find you a position in the company,that suits your current injury needs,maybe not what you were signed up for,but a position nonetheless.most people who are injured whilst performing their duties,can also claim compensation! Not be fired as you suggest.if I had a bad injury that was due to me doing my work,there are things put in place where you cannot just be f@cked off.whilst I agree with you in terms of being a supporter, and what we would like to see happen,it simply can't. :old: :bluebird:


Rubbish. If you offer services and sign a contract then are unable to carry out those services then you are not honouring the contract.
That contract can be seen as null and void. How can a player only be able to be fit for 10 minutes of a whole season ?
If he wants a role whilst injured make him a ball boy and pay him accordingly

Exatly in my previous job that was very much reason why few staff lost there jobs because they couldnt do the job role all worked out of company

Re: The furious reaction of Cardiff City's Isaac Vassell aft

Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:37 pm

Chippy82 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.



That is simply not true thomasblue,if you are injured at work,your company are obliged to find you a position in the company,that suits your current injury needs,maybe not what you were signed up for,but a position nonetheless.most people who are injured whilst performing their duties,can also claim compensation! Not be fired as you suggest.if I had a bad injury that was due to me doing my work,there are things put in place where you cannot just be f@cked off.whilst I agree with you in terms of being a supporter, and what we would like to see happen,it simply can't. :old: :bluebird:


Rubbish. If you offer services and sign a contract then are unable to carry out those services then you are not honouring the contract.
That contract can be seen as null and void. How can a player only be able to be fit for 10 minutes of a whole season ?
If he wants a role whilst injured make him a ball boy and pay him accordingly

Exatly in my previous job that was very much reason why few staff lost there jobs because they couldnt do the job role all worked out of company



well the company broke the law then. you cant sack someone for injuring themselves at work..