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thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.
Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:18 pm
skiprat wrote:Spot on. Loads of people out there don't get any sick pay when injured and unable to work .
Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:21 pm
thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.
Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:24 pm
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:32 pm
Thewifestheboss wrote:All sickys must be got rid of. Can't go on paying for passengers. Tough but that's life.
Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:08 pm
piledriver64 wrote:Thewifestheboss wrote:All sickys must be got rid of. Can't go on paying for passengers. Tough but that's life.
So that’s Tomlin gone then, based on your logic !!
Bamba would have already gone !!
Get real. Every club carries long term injuries, it happens and you just hope they come back strong !!
Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:17 pm
bluesince62 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.
That is simply not true thomasblue,if you are injured at work,your company are obliged to find you a position in the company,that suits your current injury needs,maybe not what you were signed up for,but a position nonetheless.most people who are injured whilst performing their duties,can also claim compensation! Not be fired as you suggest.if I had a bad injury that was due to me doing my work,there are things put in place where you cannot just be f@cked off.whilst I agree with you in terms of being a supporter, and what we would like to see happen,it simply can't.![]()
Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:28 pm
thomasblue wrote:bluesince62 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.
That is simply not true thomasblue,if you are injured at work,your company are obliged to find you a position in the company,that suits your current injury needs,maybe not what you were signed up for,but a position nonetheless.most people who are injured whilst performing their duties,can also claim compensation! Not be fired as you suggest.if I had a bad injury that was due to me doing my work,there are things put in place where you cannot just be f@cked off.whilst I agree with you in terms of being a supporter, and what we would like to see happen,it simply can't.![]()
Rubbish. If you offer services and sign a contract then are unable to carry out those services then you are not honouring the contract.
That contract can be seen as null and void. How can a player only be able to be fit for 10 minutes of a whole season ?
If he wants a role whilst injured make him a ball boy and pay him accordingly
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skiprat wrote:Not everyone gets paid on the sick. A lot of people who regularly go on the sick get shown the door.
Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:45 pm
skiprat wrote:Not everyone gets paid on the sick. A lot of people who regularly go on the sick get shown the door.
Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:46 am
Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:40 am
Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:Be good to know whether our deal with him was performance and appearance based. Its one thing signing someone with a bad recent history and putting him on full wages for the duration of his contract but its altogether different if given a contract on reduced money but increasing when a set number of games played.
Journos, and most fans, only ever interested in the "£30k a week" headline but I'm sure lots of these are only £30k a week when playing and winning.
No one in their right mind would be putting new contracts to the Connollys and Vassells of this world that weren't based like that. Same applies to Bamba really who whilst a massive fans favourite was very lucky to be given "a new contract" whilst he was out with his injury. Depends what the new contract actually offered and we don't know.
Its niaive to think we can just move these injured players on. We can, but at the cost of paying up their contracts. That's why they have a contract. And unlike a normal workplace environment they are contracted for what are fairly short periods of time compared to the general employment market. And, as has been said, injured footballers are in effect suffering work place injuries.
As for insurance, I really can't see insurance companies taking on a known risk like Vassell would be. And if they did the conditions would be lengthy and the premium would be very heavy indeed.
Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:19 am
dogfound wrote:Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:Be good to know whether our deal with him was performance and appearance based. Its one thing signing someone with a bad recent history and putting him on full wages for the duration of his contract but its altogether different if given a contract on reduced money but increasing when a set number of games played.
Journos, and most fans, only ever interested in the "£30k a week" headline but I'm sure lots of these are only £30k a week when playing and winning.
No one in their right mind would be putting new contracts to the Connollys and Vassells of this world that weren't based like that. Same applies to Bamba really who whilst a massive fans favourite was very lucky to be given "a new contract" whilst he was out with his injury. Depends what the new contract actually offered and we don't know.
Its niaive to think we can just move these injured players on. We can, but at the cost of paying up their contracts. That's why they have a contract. And unlike a normal workplace environment they are contracted for what are fairly short periods of time compared to the general employment market. And, as has been said, injured footballers are in effect suffering work place injuries.
As for insurance, I really can't see insurance companies taking on a known risk like Vassell would be. And if they did the conditions would be lengthy and the premium would be very heavy indeed.
its all well and good suggesting these performance related schemes...reality is the boy had a contract which probably had no such clauses because he had not been injury prone when he signed it. and another club showing interest in buying him , so why would anyone in their right mind come here under the suggested conditions ?
Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:12 am
montyblue wrote:JULES K
he did come on played for 10 mins and scored one goal i was there as a witness.
Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:59 am
Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:21 am
thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.
Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:04 am
thomasblue wrote:bluesince62 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.
That is simply not true thomasblue,if you are injured at work,your company are obliged to find you a position in the company,that suits your current injury needs,maybe not what you were signed up for,but a position nonetheless.most people who are injured whilst performing their duties,can also claim compensation! Not be fired as you suggest.if I had a bad injury that was due to me doing my work,there are things put in place where you cannot just be f@cked off.whilst I agree with you in terms of being a supporter, and what we would like to see happen,it simply can't.![]()
Rubbish. If you offer services and sign a contract then are unable to carry out those services then you are not honouring the contract.
That contract can be seen as null and void. How can a player only be able to be fit for 10 minutes of a whole season ?
If he wants a role whilst injured make him a ball boy and pay him accordingly
Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:37 pm
Chippy82 wrote:thomasblue wrote:bluesince62 wrote:thomasblue wrote:Players like this should be seen as being in breach of contract and released. In any other job if you are not physically able to complete your job you get released from duties. Its not fair on the club to subsidise his wages when he cant even play a match. His body is obviously not up to it.
That is simply not true thomasblue,if you are injured at work,your company are obliged to find you a position in the company,that suits your current injury needs,maybe not what you were signed up for,but a position nonetheless.most people who are injured whilst performing their duties,can also claim compensation! Not be fired as you suggest.if I had a bad injury that was due to me doing my work,there are things put in place where you cannot just be f@cked off.whilst I agree with you in terms of being a supporter, and what we would like to see happen,it simply can't.![]()
Rubbish. If you offer services and sign a contract then are unable to carry out those services then you are not honouring the contract.
That contract can be seen as null and void. How can a player only be able to be fit for 10 minutes of a whole season ?
If he wants a role whilst injured make him a ball boy and pay him accordingly
Exatly in my previous job that was very much reason why few staff lost there jobs because they couldnt do the job role all worked out of company