Does Harris set us up to defensive?

A few things have got me wondering this but be interesting to know from people who have seen more games.

Harris recently said something along the lines of if you cant win games you got to make sure you dont concede which is pretty obvious but wonder it it's more about the way he sees games. Are we playing to often for a draw, to keep it tight and try to nick a goal. Are we inviting to much pressure and then conceding to early and often.

We seem to concede so many goals but then seem more than capable of scoring when we are behind, when the pressure it off and when we are allowed to attack more.

just a thought really.

A few things have got me wondering this but be interesting to know from people who have seen more games.

Harris recently said something along the lines of if you cant win games you got to make sure you dont concede which is pretty obvious but wonder it it's more about the way he sees games. Are we playing to often for a draw, to keep it tight and try to nick a goal. Are we inviting to much pressure and then conceding to early and often.

We seem to concede so many goals but then seem more than capable of scoring when we are behind, when the pressure it off and when we are allowed to attack more.

just a thought really.

I don't get the "when the pressure is off" bit,surely the pressure is on,when you go 2 goals down at home? Harris may have decided to go back to the same style players are used to? We are certainly not as defensive as we were under warnock,when it was clear we played not to concede, and only started to have a go in the last 15 mins,or if we were a goal down,waiting an age to use the subs,all traits from a Warnock team.I'm prepared to give Harris time to mould a team of his own,then see what direction we are heading after first 10/12 games of the new season.we are still only just outside the play offs, but a win today would have put us that bit closer. Good game to watch though

A few things have got me wondering this but be interesting to know from people who have seen more games.

Harris recently said something along the lines of if you cant win games you got to make sure you dont concede which is pretty obvious but wonder it it's more about the way he sees games. Are we playing to often for a draw, to keep it tight and try to nick a goal. Are we inviting to much pressure and then conceding to early and often.

We seem to concede so many goals but then seem more than capable of scoring when we are behind, when the pressure it off and when we are allowed to attack more.

just a thought really.

I don't get the "when the pressure is off" bit,surely the pressure is on,when you go 2 goals down at home? Harris may have decided to go back to the same style players are used to? We are certainly not as defensive as we were under warnock,when it was clear we played not to concede, and only started to have a go in the last 15 mins,or if we were a goal down,waiting an age to use the subs,all traits from a Warnock team.I'm prepared to give Harris time to mould a team of his own,then see what direction we are heading after first 10/12 games of the new season.we are still only just outside the play offs, but a win today would have put us that bit closer. Good game to watch though

it just seems to happen so often. If your losing 2-0 at home or away really then you have to go for it. We seem to get a decent amount of goals its just it feels like it's mostly in retaliation to conceding goals.

I think that's the 3rd home draw in a row now, if we want to get nearer the playoffs that has to change.

Yes our defensive set up from set pieces is awful. Nobody left up for the counterattack. Brentford literally had everyone in or just outside our box from Corners. Didn’t help us having people back either as we still conceded from it.

Yes our defensive set up from set pieces is awful. Nobody left up for the counterattack. Brentford literally had everyone in or just outside our box from Corners. Didn’t help us having people back either as we still conceded from it.

Totally agree, and the fact that their keeper was on the halfway line when they had a corner says it all.

Yes our defensive set up from set pieces is awful. Nobody left up for the counterattack. Brentford literally had everyone in or just outside our box from Corners. Didn’t help us having people back either as we still conceded from it.

it makes no sense, I think Malky used to do the same. You leave one player up top and they will almost certainly drop two players back.

Yes our defensive set up from set pieces is awful. Nobody left up for the counterattack. Brentford literally had everyone in or just outside our box from Corners. Didn’t help us having people back either as we still conceded from it.

Totally agree, and the fact that their keeper was on the halfway line when they had a corner says it all.

You would think Morrison would be the on field instructor tbf.but I did notice how different Brentford s approach was to ours!

We concede as many goals in the first 15mins as the last..(18%). Most goals(20%) are conceded 61-75mins.. so not sure.

There are positives to this game, I thought Sanderson, ralls and bacuna played well Patterson put a shift in and we stopped Brentford after the first 20mins from playing the decent football they usually play.

There are positives to this game, I thought Sanderson, ralls and bacuna played well Patterson put a shift in and we stopped Brentford after the first 20mins from playing the decent football they usually play.

Agree mate

Yes our defensive set up from set pieces is awful. Nobody left up for the counterattack. Brentford literally had everyone in or just outside our box from Corners. Didn’t help us having people back either as we still conceded from it.

Totally agree, and the fact that their keeper was on the halfway line when they had a corner says it all.

You would think Morrison would be the on field instructor tbf.but I did notice how different Brentford s approach was to ours!

that's not something players decide..

To say that Harris sets up too defensive would be to say he has a plan - something I’ve yet to see in any game

We were to slow to stop the players at the start, and thought we could beat them in the midfield. We then started getting at them and avoid going through the middle by going long. Should have done this from the start, we were never going to beat them in a passing game. Although a draw, really enjoyed the overall commitment and the game.

I have never noticed a definite plan since he took over apart from constantly chasing the game.

The plan is so cunning Baz, you just can’t see it..that’s it’s genius.

We were to slow to stop the players at the start, and thought we could beat them in the midfield. We then started getting at them and avoid going through the middle by going long. Should have done this from the start, we were never going to beat them in a passing game. Although a draw, really enjoyed the overall commitment and the game.

he should have learned this in the away game when we were comprehensively taken apart for an hour....went long and the game changed , they didn't cope well with long ball at all and were lucky to not have dropped points at the end..

How many times have we gone 2-0 down under Harris?

How many times have we gone 2-0 down under Harris?

6

How many times have we gone 2-0 down under Harris?

6

that's surprising in such a short space of time.

I guess this is where my original concern came from.

That suggests, that if Harris does set up defensively, that the quality of the opposition is better. Be interesting to know how many of those games Flint played. Today, the free kick you can’t do much about, that’s just quality. Anyway, the anti Harris crew will look for anomaly as fault on his part.

That suggests, that if Harris does set up defensively, that the quality of the opposition is better. Be interesting to know how many of those games Flint played. Today, the free kick you can’t do much about, that’s just quality. Anyway, the anti Harris crew will look for anomaly as fault on his part.

its not easy trying to win games whern you've given your opponents a start..
we have conceded the first goal more often than not under Harris .
so the anomaly { something out of the ordinary } is when we score first.

That suggests, that if Harris does set up defensively, that the quality of the opposition is better. Be interesting to know how many of those games Flint played. Today, the free kick you can’t do much about, that’s just quality. Anyway, the anti Harris crew will look for anomaly as fault on his part.

well since QPR { after which he has been left out } we have played 10
1 was a scoreless draw
3 games we scored 1st
6 times our opponents scored first...
so the blame flint instead of Harris don't really work either..

Yes our defensive set up from set pieces is awful. Nobody left up for the counterattack. Brentford literally had everyone in or just outside our box from Corners. Didn’t help us having people back either as we still conceded from it.

Totally agree, and the fact that their keeper was on the halfway line when they had a corner says it all.

You would think Morrison would be the on field instructor tbf.but I did notice how different Brentford s approach was to ours!

that's not something players decide..

How do you work that out then? So NOBODY on the pitch gives instructions to others? Because for all you practice in training,the match set up will not be on script from the opposition, someone must take the lead,and from a lot of fans opinions that's one of Morrison's strength,his leadership.

Yes our defensive set up from set pieces is awful. Nobody left up for the counterattack. Brentford literally had everyone in or just outside our box from Corners. Didn’t help us having people back either as we still conceded from it.

Totally agree, and the fact that their keeper was on the halfway line when they had a corner says it all.

You would think Morrison would be the on field instructor tbf.but I did notice how different Brentford s approach was to ours!

that's not something players decide..

How do you work that out then? So NOBODY on the pitch gives instructions to others? Because for all you practice in training,the match set up will not be on script from the opposition, someone must take the lead,and from a lot of fans opinions that's one of Morrison's strength,his leadership.

yes of course players talk to each other..instruct if you like.. a game plan is not quite the same thing though now is it...
well puzzled with the work it out thing... 11 men back defending dead balls and it might not be part of Harris game plan ? mate if that's the case he shouldn't be the car park manager let alone 1st team manager..

Yes our defensive set up from set pieces is awful. Nobody left up for the counterattack. Brentford literally had everyone in or just outside our box from Corners. Didn’t help us having people back either as we still conceded from it.

its not something you see often but DJ would have everyone back when he first came here. and I think Malky did it too..i think the idea is to over congest the box. the downside is you can get pinned back for a period. like you I think id prefer the outlet

That suggests, that if Harris does set up defensively, that the quality of the opposition is better. Be interesting to know how many of those games Flint played. Today, the free kick you can’t do much about, that’s just quality. Anyway, the anti Harris crew will look for anomaly as fault on his part.

its not easy trying to win games whern you've given your opponents a start..
we have conceded the first goal more often than not under Harris .
so the anomaly { something out of the ordinary } is when we score first.

Yes, but Harris has no control over mistakes by our players, or quality opposition strikes like yesterday.

There’s plenty of knives out, but that’s easy..better players is the answer, but that’s out of his control also. Still maintain he’s doing a good job.

That suggests, that if Harris does set up defensively, that the quality of the opposition is better. Be interesting to know how many of those games Flint played. Today, the free kick you can’t do much about, that’s just quality. Anyway, the anti Harris crew will look for anomaly as fault on his part.

well since QPR { after which he has been left out } we have played 10
1 was a scoreless draw
3 games we scored 1st
6 times our opponents scored first...
so the blame flint instead of Harris don't really work either..

But you answered 6 to the original question that was under harris how many times have we gone 2 NIL DOWN
now youve co fused all with in correct details
As youve just said weve gone behind 6 times not therefore going 2 NIL DOWN

Either way it suggests his initial tactics in games are often wrong and have to be changed. Such a misfire in selection of tactics is worrying

That suggests, that if Harris does set up defensively, that the quality of the opposition is better. Be interesting to know how many of those games Flint played. Today, the free kick you can’t do much about, that’s just quality. Anyway, the anti Harris crew will look for anomaly as fault on his part.

well since QPR { after which he has been left out } we have played 10
1 was a scoreless draw
3 games we scored 1st
6 times our opponents scored first...
so the blame flint instead of Harris don't really work either..

But you answered 6 to the original question that was under harris how many times have we gone 2 NIL DOWN
now youve co fused all with in correct details
As youve just said weve gone behind 6 times not therefore going 2 NIL DOWN

6 was the correct answer to the post I quoted..
and the above is how we have done since Flint has not played { which is a reply to a completely different poster }