Marlon Pack is terrible

What a shocking player absolutely terrible so deep massive hole in the midfield so we have to play long balls drop him terrible signing

Spot on he is a centre half at best

He depletes our midfield so much theres a massive gap poor bacuna has too do a 2 man job

It's cos Pack and Bacuna are both defensive midfielders - he would be much better if he was behind an Central midfielder. But Harris insists on playing him with Bacuna who also plays deep. Why not chuck Vaulks/Ralls in with either Bacuna/Pack and see what happens - has to be better than this shower of poo

I dont agree with that pack sits way to deep almost a CB waste of a player if we had a midfield that battled looked for passes and was actually in midfield it would take a lot of stress of the defence pack just leaves a gaping hole and invites pressure total shit player

I say it every week mate. New post after new post.

Yet week in and out our best passer in the team.... People just don't see the job he does. Insane.

Yet week in and out our best passer in the team.... People just don't see the job he does. Insane.

I find it mind boggling too.
plus the fact that if you swap him the new player will play further up the field without our manager noticing..

Pack is a complete and absolute waste of a position and a player. If either of our chs could pass 20 yards it would help. They can't but packs role still beyond my understanding. Too slow in possession and out of possession. No where near the level required for top half of championship let alone playoffs. He's never been there through his career and its clear way

Pack is a complete and absolute waste of a position and a player. If either of our chs could pass 20 yards it would help. They can't but packs role still beyond my understanding. Too slow in possession and out of possession. No where near the level required for top half of championship let alone playoffs. He's never been there through his career and its clear way

there are better out there , and worse. . better costs more

He’s not terrible but he’s really slow.

He’s definitely not a patch on Aron Gunnarsson

Flints not a patch on Bruno Manga

Glatzel not a patch on Zohore

That’s our problem now combine that now with a second rate manager we are pretty much fucked.

He’s not terrible but he’s really slow.

He’s definitely not a patch on Aron Gunnarsson

Flints not a patch on Bruno Manga

Glatzel not a patch on Zohore

That’s our problem now combine that now with a second rate manager we are pretty much fucked.

The first four lines I'm in complete agreement with.

He’s not terrible but he’s really slow.

He’s definitely not a patch on Aron Gunnarsson

Flints not a patch on Bruno Manga

Glatzel not a patch on Zohore

That’s our problem now combine that now with a second rate manager we are pretty much fucked.

was 15 mill enough to replace them ,Bobby Reid cover Sol while out injured plus the loan players we lost ?

He’s not terrible but he’s really slow.

He’s definitely not a patch on Aron Gunnarsson

Flints not a patch on Bruno Manga

Glatzel not a patch on Zohore

That’s our problem now combine that now with a second rate manager we are pretty much fucked.

was 15 mill enough to replace them ,Bobby Reid cover Sol while out injured plus the loan players we lost ?

For the money we've spent we should have come closer. We bought two chs and the one we didn't pay much for is much better than the one we splashed out big money on.

Yet week in and out our best passer in the team.... People just don't see the job he does. Insane.

The same happened to Gary Medel. People dont see the whole picture only that he doesnt to bombing forward or making big tackles

I do think he would make a very good centre back though

Yet week in and out our best passer in the team.... People just don't see the job he does. Insane.

The same happened to Gary Medel. People dont see the whole picture only that he doesnt to bombing forward or making big tackles

I do think he would make a very good centre back though

I don't expect Pack has ever been considered in the same context as Gary Medal before. And nor should he be. No comparison whatsoever. Pack is a shadow of Gunnar let alone Medal.

I think with Pack the problem is because he sits so deep when he makes a mistake, it’s almost always going to offer a treat counter attacking chance for the opposition. And at other times he can slow a counter attack for ourselves down to much. Defensively I think he reads the game well enough but he does lack pace. Overall I think he does a decent enough job. But playing him alongside Bacuna doesn’t seem to work to well.

He’s not terrible but he’s really slow.

He’s definitely not a patch on Aron Gunnarsson

Flints not a patch on Bruno Manga

Glatzel not a patch on Zohore

That’s our problem now combine that now with a second rate manager we are pretty much fucked.

“Glatzel not a patch on Zohore”. That’s harsh

He’s not terrible but he’s really slow.

He’s definitely not a patch on Aron Gunnarsson

Flints not a patch on Bruno Manga

Glatzel not a patch on Zohore

That’s our problem now combine that now with a second rate manager we are pretty much fucked.

“Glatzel not a patch on Zohore”. That’s harsh

Why?

On his day Zohore a real player. We saw the best of him for about three months. He beat players with ease whether with a trick or pace and could finish. And good in the air. Not seen Glatzel do any of that.

Yet week in and out our best passer in the team.... People just don't see the job he does. Insane.

The same happened to Gary Medel. People dont see the whole picture only that he doesnt to bombing forward or making big tackles

I do think he would make a very good centre back though

I don't expect Pack has ever been considered in the same context as Gary Medal before. And nor should he be. No comparison whatsoever. Pack is a shadow of Gunnar let alone Medal.

No comparison ?
Do you actually watch these players or just spout nonsense on here ?

They play the same position and both have had the same abuse aimed at them regarding work rate, tackling and positioning.

Both are fantastic passers of the ball but lack in other areas.

Gunnarsson was a workhorse player like Arter. They are different types of defensive midfielder.
You either have one to control the ball and dictate play like Medel or you have a workhorse like Gunnar.
Quite simple really and there are multiple examples of this role which can be played either way.

Yet week in and out our best passer in the team.... People just don't see the job he does. Insane.

The same happened to Gary Medel. People dont see the whole picture only that he doesnt to bombing forward or making big tackles

I do think he would make a very good centre back though

I don't expect Pack has ever been considered in the same context as Gary Medal before. And nor should he be. No comparison whatsoever. Pack is a shadow of Gunnar let alone Medal.

No comparison ?
Do you actually watch these players or just spout nonsense on here ?

They play the same position and both have had the same abuse aimed at them regarding work rate, tackling and positioning.

Both are fantastic passers of the ball but lack in other areas.

Gunnarsson was a workhorse player like Arter. They are different types of defensive midfielder.
You either have one to control the ball and dictate play like Medel or you have a workhorse like Gunnar.
Quite simple really and there are multiple examples of this role which can be played either way.

I was referencing the pairs overall quality not their specific strengths and weaknesses. Medel came to us with 80 la liga games for seville behind him and left us to play 90 games for inter Milan. 126 caps for Chile who have been ranked in the top ten for most of that time and two copa america victories. Pack has managed to finish in the top half of the championship once for Bristol City.

Yet week in and out our best passer in the team.... People just don't see the job he does. Insane.

The same happened to Gary Medel. People dont see the whole picture only that he doesnt to bombing forward or making big tackles

I do think he would make a very good centre back though

I don't expect Pack has ever been considered in the same context as Gary Medal before. And nor should he be. No comparison whatsoever. Pack is a shadow of Gunnar let alone Medal.

No comparison ?
Do you actually watch these players or just spout nonsense on here ?

They play the same position and both have had the same abuse aimed at them regarding work rate, tackling and positioning.

Both are fantastic passers of the ball but lack in other areas.

Gunnarsson was a workhorse player like Arter. They are different types of defensive midfielder.
You either have one to control the ball and dictate play like Medel or you have a workhorse like Gunnar.
Quite simple really and there are multiple examples of this role which can be played either way.

I was referencing the pairs overall quality not their specific strengths and weaknesses. Medel came to us with 80 la liga games for seville behind him and left us to play 90 games for inter Milan. 126 caps for Chile who have been ranked in the top ten for most of that time and two copa america victories. Pack has managed to finish in the top half of the championship once for Bristol City.

Obviously Medel was the much better player that's not even a debate.
The fact is they play the same position and the fans make the same arguments against Pack as they did with Medel. It's actually the exact opposite for Gunnar and Arter where the fans moaned they couldn't pass the ball but were hard working. Now fans say Pack is a great passer but cant do anything else. People need to realise that are championship players for a reason, if they could do it all they wouldnt be playing for us

He’s not terrible but he’s really slow.

He’s definitely not a patch on Aron Gunnarsson

Flints not a patch on Bruno Manga

Glatzel not a patch on Zohore

That’s our problem now combine that now with a second rate manager we are pretty much fucked.

“Glatzel not a patch on Zohore”. That’s harsh

...and inaccurate imo.

He’s not terrible but he’s really slow.

He’s definitely not a patch on Aron Gunnarsson

Flints not a patch on Bruno Manga

Glatzel not a patch on Zohore

That’s our problem now combine that now with a second rate manager we are pretty much fucked.

“Glatzel not a patch on Zohore”. That’s harsh

Zohore was a threat even when he had a shit game the opposition still knew what he could do.

Glatzel is the king of the scuff shot.

He’s not terrible but he’s really slow.

He’s definitely not a patch on Aron Gunnarsson

Flints not a patch on Bruno Manga

Glatzel not a patch on Zohore

That’s our problem now combine that now with a second rate manager we are pretty much fucked.

“Glatzel not a patch on Zohore”. That’s harsh

Zohore was a threat even when he had a shit game the opposition still knew what he could do.

Glatzel is the king of the scuff shot.

Harsh as much of the time KZ couldn’t be bothered, but you’re entitled to your opinion.

He’s not terrible but he’s really slow.

He’s definitely not a patch on Aron Gunnarsson

Flints not a patch on Bruno Manga

Glatzel not a patch on Zohore

That’s our problem now combine that now with a second rate manager we are pretty much fucked.

was 15 mill enough to replace them ,Bobby Reid cover Sol while out injured plus the loan players we lost ?

For the money we've spent we should have come closer. We bought two chs and the one we didn't pay much for is much better than the one we splashed out big money on.

closer.. really ? yes we did seem to get lucky with Nelson.. im sure other clubs that looked but didn't bite are sorry they did not..
as for Flint , he isn't anywhere near as poor as some are making out.. admittedly the pairing with Morrison doesn't work great. but while Mozza was out we had no other realistic option and he and Nelson played in 5 wins and a few draws...
as for big money.. you should be on the comedians.. we don't spend big money. that's Tans prerogative and I don't expect him to. but people spouting big money and poor signings when the budget wasn't big enough to replace 1 of those 7 adequately let alone all 7 ..nah..

He’s not terrible but he’s really slow.

He’s definitely not a patch on Aron Gunnarsson

Flints not a patch on Bruno Manga

Glatzel not a patch on Zohore

That’s our problem now combine that now with a second rate manager we are pretty much fucked.

“Glatzel not a patch on Zohore”. That’s harsh

Why?

On his day Zohore a real player. We saw the best of him for about three months. He beat players with ease whether with a trick or pace and could finish. And good in the air. Not seen Glatzel do any of that.

agree, its why WBA paid 8 mill. we didn't see enough of it but when Zohore was on his game he was unplayable.. and teams were afraid of him.. that's really not the case with Glatzel who just tries hard.

Pack isn’t terrible, he is being exposed as having a poor game due to the way he is positioned in the midfield. He can pick a pass , and when he is up for it, can work the keeper with shots from outside the box. But he is Slow, and once again why Warnock recruited him for a midfield already lacking pace is beyond me. Actually, a squad lacking in pace.

As for Zohore, we all saw him have a spell of blinders for us and give central defenders nightmares, but then they became more infrequent, and for me selling for the fee was the right thing to do.

Flint, some over the top harsh criticism on here, I understand why, but once again, like Pack , Warnock decided to add even more slowness to the already slow defence/squad. Pack and Flint were recruited by Warnock at a time when pacier options could have added something different to this side, once again very poor dealings by Warnock and the transfer committee.

Drops way to deep when receiving the ball. Basically drops into defence to take the ball off our defenders which then limits our attacking options. Are our defenders incapable of playing a 10yard pass into midfield to him?

Drops way to deep when receiving the ball. Basically drops into defence to take the ball off our defenders which then limits our attacking options. Are our defenders incapable of playing a 10yard pass into midfield to him?

When we can see that why can't two centre halfs, Pack himself, warnock, Harris and and goodness knows how many analysts and sports science staff?