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VAR UPDATE...

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:22 pm

Referees are to use pitch side monitors in the case of changing yellow card to red one if the var official says it should be a red and not a yellow referee will look at monitor for final say? This comes after the red card in arsenal game where it was felt the referee should have looked at screen to decide if card should be changed.
On side note snooker players want VAR in their sport after some dubious decisions made recently. :o

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:38 pm

Finally.

But it's not enough to just do that with red cards, it has to be for all VAR decisions - which I think should only be penalties, goals and red cards.

The Premier League haven't wanted referees to look at the monitors because they said it was cause delays to the game, but that's happening anyway.

It won't change this season, but for next season I think they have to change the offside when someone's nose being offside. They've been told by IFAB to not disallow those type goals through VAR.

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:19 pm

pembroke allan wrote:Referees are to use pitch side monitors in the case of changing yellow card to red one if the var official says it should be a red and not a yellow referee will look at monitor for final say? This comes after the red card in arsenal game where it was felt the referee should have looked at screen to decide if card should be changed.
On side note snooker players want VAR in their sport after some dubious decisions made recently. :o


It would work perfectly in Snooker as it's not a fluid game and would be easy to place the cameras needed

The only way VAR will work in my opinion is the Tennis way where managers get to challenge decisions instead of checking everything. If a manager gets 1 decision per half and doesnt challenge that's his fault, if he challenges and it's right then he keeps his challenge.

Would put more pressure on managers to get it right.

It would also bring up interesting discussions as to why and when managers choose to use them

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:33 pm

thomasblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Referees are to use pitch side monitors in the case of changing yellow card to red one if the var official says it should be a red and not a yellow referee will look at monitor for final say? This comes after the red card in arsenal game where it was felt the referee should have looked at screen to decide if card should be changed.
On side note snooker players want VAR in their sport after some dubious decisions made recently. :o


It would work perfectly in Snooker as it's not a fluid game and would be easy to place the cameras needed

The only way VAR will work in my opinion is the Tennis way where managers get to challenge decisions instead of checking everything. If a manager gets 1 decision per half and doesnt challenge that's his fault, if he challenges and it's right then he keeps his challenge.

Would put more pressure on managers to get it right.

It would also bring up interesting discussions as to why and when managers choose to use them


In tennis its only used on one type decision did ball hit line? Football as numerous decisions it can make! You'll start with 2 calls but garauntee managers be asking for 3 then 4 when the lose game because run out of challenges. :old:

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:42 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:Finally.

But it's not enough to just do that with red cards, it has to be for all VAR decisions - which I think should only be penalties, goals and red cards.

The Premier League haven't wanted referees to look at the monitors because they said it was cause delays to the game, but that's happening anyway.

It won't change this season, but for next season I think they have to change the offside when someone's nose being offside. They've been told by IFAB to not disallow those type goals through VAR.




Well the original idea was for clear obvious mistakes but when ref doesnt give a decision 2yds away but var gives it you know it's wrong thing to have? And from red card, penalty, mistaken identity offside... it's being used to determine handball against striker but not defence foe penalty (haven't seen one given) fouls 40yrds from goal if a goal is scored! And probably other things I've forgotten.. yes offside will be changed probably to the foot being offside which will be best solution no ambiguity then..

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:09 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Referees are to use pitch side monitors in the case of changing yellow card to red one if the var official says it should be a red and not a yellow referee will look at monitor for final say? This comes after the red card in arsenal game where it was felt the referee should have looked at screen to decide if card should be changed.
On side note snooker players want VAR in their sport after some dubious decisions made recently. :o


It would work perfectly in Snooker as it's not a fluid game and would be easy to place the cameras needed

The only way VAR will work in my opinion is the Tennis way where managers get to challenge decisions instead of checking everything. If a manager gets 1 decision per half and doesnt challenge that's his fault, if he challenges and it's right then he keeps his challenge.

Would put more pressure on managers to get it right.

It would also bring up interesting discussions as to why and when managers choose to use them


In tennis its only used on one type decision did ball hit line? Football as numerous decisions it can make! You'll start with 2 calls but garauntee managers be asking for 3 then 4 when the lose game because run out of challenges. :old:


If they get the challenges right it wont matter

I see your point though but whatever they do people will ways want more or to make a change or tweak. It will never be perfect and that's why it will never fully work in a sport like football.

Rugby seem to do it a bit better but even they get loads wrong or make contentious decisions

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:40 pm

thomasblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:Referees are to use pitch side monitors in the case of changing yellow card to red one if the var official says it should be a red and not a yellow referee will look at monitor for final say? This comes after the red card in arsenal game where it was felt the referee should have looked at screen to decide if card should be changed.
On side note snooker players want VAR in their sport after some dubious decisions made recently. :o


It would work perfectly in Snooker as it's not a fluid game and would be easy to place the cameras needed

The only way VAR will work in my opinion is the Tennis way where managers get to challenge decisions instead of checking everything. If a manager gets 1 decision per half and doesnt challenge that's his fault, if he challenges and it's right then he keeps his challenge.

Would put more pressure on managers to get it right.

It would also bring up interesting discussions as to why and when managers choose to use them


In tennis its only used on one type decision did ball hit line? Football as numerous decisions it can make! You'll start with 2 calls but garauntee managers be asking for 3 then 4 when the lose game because run out of challenges. :old:


If they get the challenges right it wont matter

I see your point though but whatever they do people will ways want more or to make a change or tweak. It will never be perfect and that's why it will never fully work in a sport like football.

Rugby seem to do it a bit better but even they get loads wrong or make contentious decisions



Rugby is prime example why wont work? It started as only tryline decision try or no try! Now it goes back upto 2 mins looking for offside knock ons forward pass and red cards ect.. in football seeing it being used outside its original remit already, and as incidents occur demand will grow for it to include these incidents especially if costs a match or a cup if in final.

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:18 am

pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Finally.

But it's not enough to just do that with red cards, it has to be for all VAR decisions - which I think should only be penalties, goals and red cards.

The Premier League haven't wanted referees to look at the monitors because they said it was cause delays to the game, but that's happening anyway.

It won't change this season, but for next season I think they have to change the offside when someone's nose being offside. They've been told by IFAB to not disallow those type goals through VAR.




Well the original idea was for clear obvious mistakes but when ref doesnt give a decision 2yds away but var gives it you know it's wrong thing to have? And from red card, penalty, mistaken identity offside... it's being used to determine handball against striker but not defence foe penalty (haven't seen one given) fouls 40yrds from goal if a goal is scored! And probably other things I've forgotten.. yes offside will be changed probably to the foot being offside which will be best solution no ambiguity then..


Agree with you.

Mentioned it before, what Mark Clattenburg said and he's right:


"Referees are using it to re-referee the game and that's not what VAR's for. It's for the scandal decisions like 'that's a dive', 'that's a penalty'. Not a push on the halfway line or a handball on the halfway line."

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:31 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Finally.

But it's not enough to just do that with red cards, it has to be for all VAR decisions - which I think should only be penalties, goals and red cards.

The Premier League haven't wanted referees to look at the monitors because they said it was cause delays to the game, but that's happening anyway.

It won't change this season, but for next season I think they have to change the offside when someone's nose being offside. They've been told by IFAB to not disallow those type goals through VAR.




Well the original idea was for clear obvious mistakes but when ref doesnt give a decision 2yds away but var gives it you know it's wrong thing to have? And from red card, penalty, mistaken identity offside... it's being used to determine handball against striker but not defence foe penalty (haven't seen one given) fouls 40yrds from goal if a goal is scored! And probably other things I've forgotten.. yes offside will be changed probably to the foot being offside which will be best solution no ambiguity then..


Agree with you.

Mentioned it before, what Mark Clattenburg said and he's right:


"Referees are using it to re-referee the game and that's not what VAR's for. It's for the scandal decisions like 'that's a dive', 'that's a penalty'. Not a push on the halfway line or a handball on the halfway line."



Not so much the referee but the official at stockly park is re refereeing game ? Ref on pitch doesnt give pen but stockly park does so var as made the decision..... :roll: and like said var decision making will expand as incidents impact on game especially when goal is scored.

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:42 am

pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Finally.

But it's not enough to just do that with red cards, it has to be for all VAR decisions - which I think should only be penalties, goals and red cards.

The Premier League haven't wanted referees to look at the monitors because they said it was cause delays to the game, but that's happening anyway.

It won't change this season, but for next season I think they have to change the offside when someone's nose being offside. They've been told by IFAB to not disallow those type goals through VAR.




Well the original idea was for clear obvious mistakes but when ref doesnt give a decision 2yds away but var gives it you know it's wrong thing to have? And from red card, penalty, mistaken identity offside... it's being used to determine handball against striker but not defence foe penalty (haven't seen one given) fouls 40yrds from goal if a goal is scored! And probably other things I've forgotten.. yes offside will be changed probably to the foot being offside which will be best solution no ambiguity then..


Agree with you.

Mentioned it before, what Mark Clattenburg said and he's right:


"Referees are using it to re-referee the game and that's not what VAR's for. It's for the scandal decisions like 'that's a dive', 'that's a penalty'. Not a push on the halfway line or a handball on the halfway line."



Not so much the referee but the official at stockly park is re refereeing game ? Ref on pitch doesnt give pen but stockly park does so var as made the decision..... :roll: and like said var decision making will expand as incidents impact on game especially when goal is scored.


Fair point :thumbright:

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:52 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Finally.

But it's not enough to just do that with red cards, it has to be for all VAR decisions - which I think should only be penalties, goals and red cards.

The Premier League haven't wanted referees to look at the monitors because they said it was cause delays to the game, but that's happening anyway.

It won't change this season, but for next season I think they have to change the offside when someone's nose being offside. They've been told by IFAB to not disallow those type goals through VAR.




Well the original idea was for clear obvious mistakes but when ref doesnt give a decision 2yds away but var gives it you know it's wrong thing to have? And from red card, penalty, mistaken identity offside... it's being used to determine handball against striker but not defence foe penalty (haven't seen one given) fouls 40yrds from goal if a goal is scored! And probably other things I've forgotten.. yes offside will be changed probably to the foot being offside which will be best solution no ambiguity then..


Agree with you.

Mentioned it before, what Mark Clattenburg said and he's right:


"Referees are using it to re-referee the game and that's not what VAR's for. It's for the scandal decisions like 'that's a dive', 'that's a penalty'. Not a push on the halfway line or a handball on the halfway line."



Not so much the referee but the official at stockly park is re refereeing game ? Ref on pitch doesnt give pen but stockly park does so var as made the decision..... :roll: and like said var decision making will expand as incidents impact on game especially when goal is scored.


Fair point :thumbright:



Do you no simplest thing to have done was for 4th official to have a monitor and only red cards or mistaken identity should be looked at the rest is all part of game! Now var as moved argument from on pitch to stockly park officials, so same thing different official as all decisions are subjective and down to interpretation ... not fan of var even after Chelsea debacle that I suspect will never be repeated on pitch again And not because of var either...

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:55 pm

Seemed to work well today with referees looking at the monitor for red card decisions.

Need to do the same with all VAR decisions now, so the match referee is in control again.

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:42 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:Seemed to work well today with referees looking at the monitor for red card decisions.

Need to do the same with all VAR decisions now, so the match referee is in control again.



Well they were instructed to do it for red cards only because premier league didnt like the criticism for red card in arsenal game where all critics ex refs said the ref should have decided if was red not var after ref initially gave yellow... their point being ref didn't see tackle other than in real time which was different to looking at it slower like var did? Hence instructions to use monitor for red cards. :thumbup: wont do it for other offences otherwise be all night with added time for every pen decision ect where do you draw line at its use? Red cards seems about right as it's easy to look at and be sure it was deserving of yellow or red.

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:56 am

pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Seemed to work well today with referees looking at the monitor for red card decisions.

Need to do the same with all VAR decisions now, so the match referee is in control again.



Well they were instructed to do it for red cards only because premier league didnt like the criticism for red card in arsenal game where all critics ex refs said the ref should have decided if was red not var after ref initially gave yellow... their point being ref didn't see tackle other than in real time which was different to looking at it slower like var did? Hence instructions to use monitor for red cards. :thumbup: wont do it for other offences otherwise be all night with added time for every pen decision ect where do you draw line at its use? Red cards seems about right as it's easy to look at and be sure it was deserving of yellow or red.


In one of the matches today, the referee looked at the monitor and within 30 seconds decided to change it a red.

Very quick to be fair.

Re: VAR UPDATE...

Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:11 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Seemed to work well today with referees looking at the monitor for red card decisions.

Need to do the same with all VAR decisions now, so the match referee is in control again.



Well they were instructed to do it for red cards only because premier league didnt like the criticism for red card in arsenal game where all critics ex refs said the ref should have decided if was red not var after ref initially gave yellow... their point being ref didn't see tackle other than in real time which was different to looking at it slower like var did? Hence instructions to use monitor for red cards. :thumbup: wont do it for other offences otherwise be all night with added time for every pen decision ect where do you draw line at its use? Red cards seems about right as it's easy to look at and be sure it was deserving of yellow or red.


In one of the matches today, the referee looked at the monitor and within 30 seconds decided to change it a red.

Very quick to be fair.



Perfect for this decision making and is quick to use and see incident! But will this encourage fa to say how great var is working and use var more in decision making? After all they are next to useless as an organisation and wouldn't put it past them to expand it..:old: