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Paterson up front

Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:12 pm

Worth a try, top scorer in premier League, I've given Glatzel chance after chance but he's just not strong enough or good enough.

Re: Paterson up front

Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:14 pm

I would try patters as main striker against carlisle see how he does,he was unlucky today but did get on it, and glatzel does seem to struggle when close to goal.

Re: Paterson up front

Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:15 pm

montyblue wrote:I would try patters as main striker against carlisle see how he does,he was unlucky today but did get on it, and glatzel does seem to struggle when close to goal.


Glatzel is just so frustrating, there's a good player in there somewhere.

Re: Paterson up front

Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:20 pm

bamba crew

Warnock could' nt, or harris cannot seem to draw out the best of him which is unfortunate.

Re: Paterson up front

Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:48 pm

BAMBA CREW wrote:
montyblue wrote:I would try patters as main striker against carlisle see how he does,he was unlucky today but did get on it, and glatzel does seem to struggle when close to goal.


Glatzel is just so frustrating, there's a good player in there somewhere.



There is you see it at times but it just doesn't turn into a goal or clear chance! Patterson just don't rate, his header should been in but after today keep same side with Murphy on at start instead! Glatzel needs support and closer passing not 40yd ball with 2 players around him..if he had the cross Patterson had I'm sure he'd have scored.

Re: Paterson up front

Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:16 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
BAMBA CREW wrote:
montyblue wrote:I would try patters as main striker against carlisle see how he does,he was unlucky today but did get on it, and glatzel does seem to struggle when close to goal.


Glatzel is just so frustrating, there's a good player in there somewhere.



There is you see it at times but it just doesn't turn into a goal or clear chance! Patterson just don't rate, his header should been in but after today keep same side with Murphy on at start instead! Glatzel needs support and closer passing not 40yd ball with 2 players around him..if he had the cross Patterson had I'm sure he'd have scored.



Allan, I just dont think he would have been in that position, he hasn't come to terms with this league and the quality and physicality of the defenders and where you need to be to find the gaps. He is like a centre half magnet.
He has said the German second division is slower but more technical, so he is used of drifting into space through midfielders holding onto the ball. We just don't do it, (not very well)

So thats my only crumb of comfort, he is not going to get any worse (age,experience,physicality), so there are positives

Re: Paterson up front

Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:31 pm

Nonsense to say Glatzel would have scored Paterson chance .Glatzel missed chances before he went off. Just looking at the negatives in Paterson is embarrassing.

Re: Paterson up front

Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:30 pm

I also believe the time has come to give Patterson a run of games up top again. He proved he can score goals for us in the past two seasons and may be the answer given a few games. To me, he is better in the air than all our other strikers and always gives 100%. Glatzel, Ward and Bogle have all had a fair share of games this season, but with poor goal returns have proved not to be the answer up front. At least, let's try something different.

Re: Paterson up front

Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:35 pm

Alas I fear NH has the tactical nouse of his dad NW

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:38 pm

montyblue wrote:I would try patters as main striker against carlisle see how he does,he was unlucky today but did get on it, and glatzel does seem to struggle when close to goal.


Think your right montyblue - may not be the best twinkle toed footballer but strong, gets stuck in and puts in a shift when fit. I would try against Carlisle. :thumbup: :bluescarf:

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:41 pm

montyblue wrote:bamba crew

Warnock could' nt, or harris cannot seem to draw out the best of him which is unfortunate.



maybe this is his best.

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:46 pm

Grandstand wrote:Nonsense to say Glatzel would have scored Paterson chance .Glatzel missed chances before he went off. Just looking at the negatives in Paterson is embarrassing.



agree
he wouldn't have been in the same place as CP. Wasn't in the right place for his first half header .. and even if by some freak accident he was there in the right place there is zero chance the ball is going in the net from one of those toblerone headers.

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:47 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
BAMBA CREW wrote:
montyblue wrote:I would try patters as main striker against carlisle see how he does,he was unlucky today but did get on it, and glatzel does seem to struggle when close to goal.


Glatzel is just so frustrating, there's a good player in there somewhere.



There is you see it at times but it just doesn't turn into a goal or clear chance! Patterson just don't rate, his header should been in but after today keep same side with Murphy on at start instead! Glatzel needs support and closer passing not 40yd ball with 2 players around him..if he had the cross Patterson had I'm sure he'd have scored.



Allan, I just dont think he would have been in that position, he hasn't come to terms with this league and the quality and physicality of the defenders and where you need to be to find the gaps. He is like a centre half magnet.
He has said the German second division is slower but more technical, so he is used of drifting into space through midfielders holding onto the ball. We just don't do it, (not very well)

So thats my only crumb of comfort, he is not going to get any worse (age,experience,physicality), so there are positives



Probably right about positioning but he knew what to do against Leeds when good ball was put into right area? If only we can consistently give him good balls rather than random 1 a game like he as had most of season we may see best of him and more goals.

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:49 pm

Given Glatzel chance after chance yet he’s only been here since late July/early August. 5 and a half months isn’t a enough considering this is new territory and he’s had 2 different managers

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:10 pm

BluebirdForever wrote:Given Glatzel chance after chance yet he’s only been here since late July/early August. 5 and a half months isn’t a enough considering this is new territory and he’s had 2 different managers



how long is enough ?
Guerra
Macheda
le Fondre
gounongbe
madine
bogle
all have had less game time
even ward has had less starts in 3 seasons than this bloke has had since August

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:52 pm

dogfound wrote:
BluebirdForever wrote:Given Glatzel chance after chance yet he’s only been here since late July/early August. 5 and a half months isn’t a enough considering this is new territory and he’s had 2 different managers



how long is enough ?
Guerra
Macheda
le Fondre
gounongbe
madine
bogle
all have had less game time
even ward has had less starts in 3 seasons than this bloke has had since August

All started less and also all failed. See the connection? It’s that we don’t give strikers enough time. So how long is enough? Longer than this.

We have to accept that this is a nothing season and it’s for the best. If by some miracle we made the play offs and went up we’d never be ready for it and we’d be back in this position in 2 years. Focus on rebuilding is best.

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:54 pm

BluebirdForever wrote:Given Glatzel chance after chance yet he’s only been here since late July/early August. 5 and a half months isn’t a enough considering this is new territory and he’s had 2 different managers



And we play anti striker football :thumbup:

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:09 pm

BLUEBIRD FOREVER

You say focus on rebuiling have you seen what harris is thinking of gregory from stoke revolutionary.

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:12 pm

montyblue wrote:BLUEBIRD FOREVER

You say focus on rebuiling have you seen what harris is thinking of gregory from stoke revolutionary.



Look its January window we are looking at
cheap players freebies or loans like 99.9% of clubs what you expecting messi? :o rebuilding is for the summer when better players can become available. :thumbup:

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:38 pm

PEMBROKE ALLAN


We might aswell wait till the summer then rather than bring in players we cannot off load, or that are so unispiring that it could effect gate receipts

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:39 pm

Paterson is crap - that’s being kind to him. We’ve tried ward and he is hit and miss glatzel is inconsistent but I like him. However, Harris needs to concentrate on getting a midfield in situ, because what we have is woeful.
For all the Warnock lovers he really did leave us with absolutely no quality and players who are so inconsistent it’s unbelievable.

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:51 pm

BluebirdForever wrote:
dogfound wrote:
BluebirdForever wrote:Given Glatzel chance after chance yet he’s only been here since late July/early August. 5 and a half months isn’t a enough considering this is new territory and he’s had 2 different managers



how long is enough ?
Guerra
Macheda
le Fondre
gounongbe
madine
bogle
all have had less game time
even ward has had less starts in 3 seasons than this bloke has had since August

All started less and also all failed. See the connection? It’s that we don’t give strikers enough time. So how long is enough? Longer than this.

We have to accept that this is a nothing season and it’s for the best. If by some miracle we made the play offs and went up we’d never be ready for it and we’d be back in this position in 2 years. Focus on rebuilding is best.



seriously.. THATS the connection ?????????????? obviously because they went on to play for clubs who gave them a proper chance and prospered .
I have accepted we are not going up ..teams tend not to bounce straight back up

Re: Paterson up front

Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:35 pm

montyblue wrote:PEMBROKE ALLAN


We might aswell wait till the summer then rather than bring in players we cannot off load, or that are so unispiring that it could effect gate receipts



Yes we should that is when better players can be bought may cost bit more than loan players but hopefully be something to build on? But there again half people on here dont believe NH can build a team so wont stop the whinging whoever we sign or dont sign. :old:

Re: Paterson up front

Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:12 am

montyblue wrote:BLUEBIRD FOREVER

You say focus on rebuiling have you seen what harris is thinking of gregory from stoke revolutionary.

I don’t agree on Gregory but to be fair nothing concrete has happened yet

Re: Paterson up front

Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:19 am

dogfound wrote:
BluebirdForever wrote:
dogfound wrote:
BluebirdForever wrote:Given Glatzel chance after chance yet he’s only been here since late July/early August. 5 and a half months isn’t a enough considering this is new territory and he’s had 2 different managers



how long is enough ?
Guerra
Macheda
le Fondre
gounongbe
madine
bogle
all have had less game time
even ward has had less starts in 3 seasons than this bloke has had since August

All started less and also all failed. See the connection? It’s that we don’t give strikers enough time. So how long is enough? Longer than this.

We have to accept that this is a nothing season and it’s for the best. If by some miracle we made the play offs and went up we’d never be ready for it and we’d be back in this position in 2 years. Focus on rebuilding is best.



seriously.. THATS the connection ?????????????? obviously because they went on to play for clubs who gave them a proper chance and prospered .
I have accepted we are not going up ..teams tend not to bounce straight back up

Well Madine has only just left us, Bogle is still with us and so is Ward. Le Fondre hasn’t done too badly since leaving 8 goals in 17, 6 goals in 19 and 7 goals in 36 in his 3 spells at Bolton, and meanwhile he has 31 goals in 42 games for Sydney at 33 years. Guerra is doing ok at his club atm (23 in 90) meanwhile Macheda and Gounongbe seem to have disappeared off the map. Didn’t Gounongbe actually retire after not being able to find a club? But out of that list they are the only two who haven’t done better elsewhere.

We certainly won’t bounce back up and I don’t think we will go up with Harris and I think that’s just how it is. Hopefully I’m wrong but doesn’t look that way

Re: Paterson up front

Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:44 am

I so want Glatzel to prove us all wrong, and prove he is not another Idris Saadi. I fear that even with lots more game time, that’s not going happen. If we are not making changes this window in the striker department, then I would start up top with Callum, I agree, he finds better striker positions than Glatzel, works centre backs harder, but if only he heads Murphy’s cross back from whence it came like my coach used to try and drill into me back in 1908, then it’s a goal. That’s the striker we need, with a quicker brain than these two. Are they out there for the money we have?

Re: Paterson up front

Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:18 am

BluebirdForever wrote:
dogfound wrote:
BluebirdForever wrote:
dogfound wrote:
BluebirdForever wrote:Given Glatzel chance after chance yet he’s only been here since late July/early August. 5 and a half months isn’t a enough considering this is new territory and he’s had 2 different managers



how long is enough ?
Guerra
Macheda
le Fondre
gounongbe
madine
bogle
all have had less game time
even ward has had less starts in 3 seasons than this bloke has had since August

All started less and also all failed. See the connection? It’s that we don’t give strikers enough time. So how long is enough? Longer than this.

We have to accept that this is a nothing season and it’s for the best. If by some miracle we made the play offs and went up we’d never be ready for it and we’d be back in this position in 2 years. Focus on rebuilding is best.



seriously.. THATS the connection ?????????????? obviously because they went on to play for clubs who gave them a proper chance and prospered .
I have accepted we are not going up ..teams tend not to bounce straight back up

Well Madine has only just left us, Bogle is still with us and so is Ward. Le Fondre hasn’t done too badly since leaving 8 goals in 17, 6 goals in 19 and 7 goals in 36 in his 3 spells at Bolton, and meanwhile he has 31 goals in 42 games for Sydney at 33 years. Guerra is doing ok at his club atm (23 in 90) meanwhile Macheda and Gounongbe seem to have disappeared off the map. Didn’t Gounongbe actually retire after not being able to find a club? But out of that list they are the only two who haven’t done better elsewhere.

We certainly won’t bounce back up and I don’t think we will go up with Harris and I think that’s just how it is. Hopefully I’m wrong but doesn’t look that way



not too bad...playing for a worse team and not a regular....no mate..thats a lot worse..
but my point was countering the time thing where you seem to think 18 games is not enough...its a better run than any of those ever had...18 games not enough time ????????

Re: Paterson up front

Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:32 pm

dogfound wrote:
BluebirdForever wrote:
dogfound wrote:
BluebirdForever wrote:
dogfound wrote:
BluebirdForever wrote:Given Glatzel chance after chance yet he’s only been here since late July/early August. 5 and a half months isn’t a enough considering this is new territory and he’s had 2 different managers



how long is enough ?
Guerra
Macheda
le Fondre
gounongbe
madine
bogle
all have had less game time
even ward has had less starts in 3 seasons than this bloke has had since August

All started less and also all failed. See the connection? It’s that we don’t give strikers enough time. So how long is enough? Longer than this.

We have to accept that this is a nothing season and it’s for the best. If by some miracle we made the play offs and went up we’d never be ready for it and we’d be back in this position in 2 years. Focus on rebuilding is best.



seriously.. THATS the connection ?????????????? obviously because they went on to play for clubs who gave them a proper chance and prospered .
I have accepted we are not going up ..teams tend not to bounce straight back up

Well Madine has only just left us, Bogle is still with us and so is Ward. Le Fondre hasn’t done too badly since leaving 8 goals in 17, 6 goals in 19 and 7 goals in 36 in his 3 spells at Bolton, and meanwhile he has 31 goals in 42 games for Sydney at 33 years. Guerra is doing ok at his club atm (23 in 90) meanwhile Macheda and Gounongbe seem to have disappeared off the map. Didn’t Gounongbe actually retire after not being able to find a club? But out of that list they are the only two who haven’t done better elsewhere.

We certainly won’t bounce back up and I don’t think we will go up with Harris and I think that’s just how it is. Hopefully I’m wrong but doesn’t look that way



not too bad...playing for a worse team and not a regular....no mate..thats a lot worse..
but my point was countering the time thing where you seem to think 18 games is not enough...its a better run than any of those ever had...18 games not enough time ????????

You seriously think 18 games (not all starts) in a foreign country for a team who wouldn’t service you well and is set up defensively, is enough? In my opinion he’s getting better so I would be happy to give him a while longer. You keep criticising our own players if you want.

Re: Paterson up front

Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:25 pm

Try Flint ;)

Re: Paterson up front

Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:44 pm

TopCat CCFC wrote:Try Flint ;)

Ha ha