Playing without the ball

Think Harris should show the Liverpool v Everton game to the players, and watch how hard the Liverpool players worked with out the ball.
The closing down of Everton was excellent almost forcing them into errors or giving the ball away, would like to see that commitment from our players.

Agree

I thought we already done that in most of our games.

Agree and the best thing is you don’t have to have any skill in what Liverpool do Just attitude , fitness and a lot of practice
The average player is lucky to have the ball at his feet for two minutes a game So what you do without it is vital to a great performance

Think Harris should show the Liverpool v Everton game to the players, and watch how hard the Liverpool players worked with out the ball.
The closing down of Everton was excellent almost forcing them into errors or giving the ball away, would like to see that commitment from our players.

obviously we are not Liverpool.. but I doubt there is any team in the league who have won more games having so little possession than us...its been the main stay of our game for 3 years mate

Think Harris should show the Liverpool v Everton game to the players, and watch how hard the Liverpool players worked with out the ball.
The closing down of Everton was excellent almost forcing them into errors or giving the ball away, would like to see that commitment from our players.

obviously we are not Liverpool.. but I doubt there is any team in the league who have won more games having so little possession than us...its been the main stay of our game for 3 years mate

It is a little different pressing to win the ball back for 33% of the game as you have it for the other 66%. We would need to do that in reverse.

In fairness a fully fit Paterson did a very good job in our promotion season and Arter obviously brings that too. Its clearly lacking currently.

Think Harris should show the Liverpool v Everton game to the players, and watch how hard the Liverpool players worked with out the ball.
The closing down of Everton was excellent almost forcing them into errors or giving the ball away, would like to see that commitment from our players.

obviously we are not Liverpool.. but I doubt there is any team in the league who have won more games having so little possession than us...its been the main stay of our game for 3 years mate

It is a little different pressing to win the ball back for 33% of the game as you have it for the other 66%. We would need to do that in reverse.

In fairness a fully fit Paterson did a very good job in our promotion season and Arter obviously brings that too. Its clearly lacking currently.

my first line was we are not Liverpool...obviously..
but you can not win football games with 30 odd per cent pos without loads of effort and commitment during the 60 odd per cent you do not have it..

You just don't wake up one day and decide we'll press. It has to be a design and you get a certain type of player.

Paterson tries, he is but he is just not quick or mobile enough to press and you can't press (successfully) on your own.

Warnocks coaching team had a pretty unusual defensive system that flummoxed a lot of teams. The man marking is a sort of press, it stopped some pretty good teams from doing what they do. Wolves who were obviously a class above the championship struggled with far superior man for man players.

Klopp is ahead of the game, So is Pep (with far superior resources). Jose had it and the jury is out on Potch.
Warnock has an "X factor" for the championship, he got the team to be greater than the sum of its parts for 2 seasons.

What I am scared of is turning into those teams i used to laugh at when they tried to play out because that is the fashion and we would beat them quite comfortably, you need the players to be very good at it. Being OK means you'll probably be a relegation to mid table team.

We need mobility and speed especially in midfield as we don't win the second ball often enough seeing as its our game plan to bang it long and straight at every restart. That is why I am still baffled by the summer signings of Flint and Pack. Whitts wasn't athletic enough but Pack is with only half the technical ability.

If Burnley played that Liverpool kids team I would think they would have over powered them and beat them as they would have imposed what they are good at over Liverpools.

You just don't wake up one day and decide we'll press. It has to be a design and you get a certain type of player.

Paterson tries, he is but he is just not quick or mobile enough to press and you can't press (successfully) on your own.

Warnocks coaching team had a pretty unusual defensive system that flummoxed a lot of teams. The man marking is a sort of press, it stopped some pretty good teams from doing what they do. Wolves who were obviously a class above the championship struggled with far superior man for man players.

Klopp is ahead of the game, So is Pep (with far superior resources). Jose had it and the jury is out on Potch.
Warnock has an "X factor" for the championship, he got the team to be greater than the sum of its parts for 2 seasons.

What I am scared of is turning into those teams i used to laugh at when they tried to play out because that is the fashion and we would beat them quite comfortably, you need the players to be very good at it. Being OK means you'll probably be a relegation to mid table team.

We need mobility and speed especially in midfield as we don't win the second ball often enough seeing as its our game plan to bang it long and straight at every restart. That is why I am still baffled by the summer signings of Flint and Pack. Whitts wasn't athletic enough but Pack is with only half the technical ability.

If Burnley played that Liverpool kids team I would think they would have over powered them and beat them as they would have imposed what they are good at over Liverpools.

agree with almost all that .. not sure why your baffled at those in comings though..
for 2mill you get pack
for 4 you get flint
for 8 you get zohore
for 11 you get reid..
not exactly pushing the boat out were we ? ...god knows how much Whitts playing regularly and at his peak for another championship club would be worth now.. but I bet it wouldn't be in our price range..