" The problems have been there all season.. "

The problems have been there all season, a result like this was always going to happen at some point.

That's what many have said on here and you know what? They're absolutely right.

But that is not the fault of Neil Harris, however unpopular this opinion may be right now with everyone out to get him at the moment.

This, despite fans praising him in recent weeks for the wins over Forest and Sheffield Wednesday.

No, the man responsible for these problems is the previous manager.

As people have rightly said, the problems have been there all season. Neil Harris only took over as manager in November.

The previous manager wasted money on players, many who hardly played for us under him.

I'm not judging Harris by this result, just as I didn't judge him by the Forest or Sheffield Wednesday results.

I think I read somewhere we have the oldest average aged squad in the league. That's not Neil Harris' fault, it's the previous manager's.

Far too early to judge Harris, no matter how bad today was.

He's not going anywhere anytime soon so fans may as well support him.

Just a FACT for you all, we got 14 points in Warnock's last seven games. A lot of you thought he should have stayed for some strange reason.

We have picked up 16 points in Harris' first seven games, a slight improvement.

The problems have been there all season, a result like this was always going to happen at some point.

That's what many have said on here and you know what? They're absolutely right.

But that is not the fault of Neil Harris, however unpopular this opinion may be right now with everyone out to get him at the moment.

This, despite fans praising him in recent weeks for the wins over Forest and Sheffield Wednesday.

No, the man responsible for these problems is the previous manager.

As people have rightly said, the problems have been there all season. Neil Harris only took over as manager in November.

The previous manager wasted money on players, many who hardly played for us under him.

I'm not judging Harris by this result, just as I didn't judge him by the Forest or Sheffield Wednesday results.

I think I read somewhere we have the oldest average aged squad in the league. That's not Neil Harris' fault, it's the previous manager's.

Far too early to judge Harris, no matter how bad today was.

He's not going anywhere anytime soon so fans may as well support him.

Just a FACT for you all, we got 14 points in Warnock's last seven games. A lot of you thought he should have stayed for some strange reason.

We have picked up 16 points in Harris' first seven games, a slight improvement.

Harris has had a tough start with the fixture list too !!!

I DO NOT think the right manager has been chosen BUT whoever was chosen would have the same problem .Yes you are right when you say that this kind of result has been waiting to happen and has only been avoided because of bad finishing from opposing teams.The bottom line is whoever took over they have the same problem of turning Warnock players into playing real football..Warnock is to blame for the squad of players we have here not the new manager

The defence has been atrocious all season but Harris has to take a huge part of the blame yesterday. He chose to start with 3 centre backs and Jazz and Bacuna as wing backs. Warnock never used that formation and we certainly never took a battering in the championship like that under Warnock. Since Harris came to the club we have also started a lot of games slowly and have conceded a lot of goals just after half time. The last few home performances u see Harris have also been atrocious, far worse than Warnock. I’m convinced that any competent experienced manager, like Hughton, could still get this squad in the play offs. Look how Millwall are faring with Rowett.

14 points in Warnock’s last 7? He should have stayed. Title winning form that.

The defence has been atrocious all season but Harris has to take a huge part of the blame yesterday. He chose to start with 3 centre backs and Jazz and Bacuna as wing backs. Warnock never used that formation and we certainly never took a battering in the championship like that under Warnock. Since Harris came to the club we have also started a lot of games slowly and have conceded a lot of goals just after half time. The last few home performances u see Harris have also been atrocious, far worse than Warnock. I’m convinced that any competent experienced manager, like Hughton, could still get this squad in the play offs. Look how Millwall are faring with Rowett.

But it finished the game against Wednesday and looked solid then.

Many on here advocated for that. It should be good. Players played shit.

The defence has been atrocious all season but Harris has to take a huge part of the blame yesterday. He chose to start with 3 centre backs and Jazz and Bacuna as wing backs. Warnock never used that formation and we certainly never took a battering in the championship like that under Warnock. Since Harris came to the club we have also started a lot of games slowly and have conceded a lot of goals just after half time. The last few home performances u see Harris have also been atrocious, far worse than Warnock. I’m convinced that any competent experienced manager, like Hughton, could still get this squad in the play offs. Look how Millwall are faring with Rowett.

But it finished the game against Wednesday and looked solid then.

Many on here advocated for that. It should be good. Players played shit.

All very well finishing off a game in a formation but far different starting one. We had no idea what we were doing yesterday. We didn’t sit deep and try to counter and we didn’t press high. It was a total mess and that’s down to Harris.

Another good point you raised is the players attitude. Under Warnock I can’t remember seeing players looking so unmotivated and unbothered. The amount of times QPR just strolled through our defence was embarrassing.

Yep, when you look at the players Warnock brought in you really have to question what direction he was going in.

Nelson - probably the best of his buys and I rate him, but Warnock wouldn't play him and he was as bad as the rest yesterday
Glatzel - I do think he's got something but was never going to be a target man that fitted a Warnock team. He could still be a good buy but only because Warnock has gone !
Whyte - Potential but nowhere close to being a Championship regular
Flint - awful and even at his best could never play with Bamba or Morrison as too slow
Vaulkes - weird ! Bought him singing his praises and then hardly played him. Plays well for Wales but another one who didn't fit in with the Warnock style.
Day - I still think he bought Day to be back-up to Etheridge and they'd sell Smithies but Day's performance when he came on as sub quickly put an end to that !!

Harris, or anyone, would have their work cut out to make something out of this mish mash of a squad. I wasn't overly excited by his appointment and I'm getting increasingly worried but this mess is not solely down to him and Warnock cannot be blameless. Afterall, it was he who always maintained he had the final say on signings so he can't hide behind the "Transfer Committee" or anyone else.

If we don't shift some players and get some good loan signings in during the January window (even if we have to wait until the end of the month) then this could turn out to be a season to forget !

I heard Dalman was in with the fans yesterday. I wonder how long he stayed and what his view was !!??

I agree. Warnock spent a lot of money building a squad totally lacking in any sort of pace or quality. It says a lot that we are relying on a player, who wasn’t fit to play for 2 seasons, as our only creative output. The gamble of Sticking with warnock didn’t payoff and now we have a manager with little experience managing a very average squad that is setup to play a certain way. We needed a clean break from Warnock and for the club to go in a new direction whilst we still had the parachute payments to lean on. I can’t see us changing much under Harris and he’ll probably be here until the end of next season, at least.

I havnt written Harris off yet though as this isn’t his squad, I think any manager would have struggled with this group of players. We are also still only 3 points off the playoffs.

The defence has been atrocious all season but Harris has to take a huge part of the blame yesterday. He chose to start with 3 centre backs and Jazz and Bacuna as wing backs. Warnock never used that formation and we certainly never took a battering in the championship like that under Warnock. Since Harris came to the club we have also started a lot of games slowly and have conceded a lot of goals just after half time. The last few home performances u see Harris have also been atrocious, far worse than Warnock. I’m convinced that any competent experienced manager, like Hughton, could still get this squad in the play offs. Look how Millwall are faring with Rowett.

But it finished the game against Wednesday and looked solid then.

Many on here advocated for that. It should be good. Players played shit.

All very well finishing off a game in a formation but far different starting one. We had no idea what we were doing yesterday. We didn’t sit deep and try to counter and we didn’t press high. It was a total mess and that’s down to Harris.

Another good point you raised is the players attitude. Under Warnock I can’t remember seeing players looking so unmotivated and unbothered. The amount of times QPR just strolled through our defence was embarrassing.

agree it looked a mess from start to finish and yes its down to harris..
and its down to him to sort it..3 home games this month so he has a fighting chance.

The truth of the matter is it is not entirely Warnocks fault and not entirely Harris's fault. The players have to take a fair chunk of blame as they are underperforming. In our promotion season the players were a fair bit more than the sum of their parts and overachieved. This lot are less than the sum of their parts and are underachieving. Not sure if any manager could get this team to the playoffs maybe they are just not good enough.

I was happy enough with the signings at the start of the season and thought they were good enough to just make the playoffs but there is something missing with this lot not sure what it is, maybe a lack of character as a team or perhaps just not good enough. We could perhaps do with a hard b*stard team leader type of captain to give them a kick up the arse at times.

Does this mean Warnock is also to receive the credit for the wins under Harris?

The defence has been atrocious all season but Harris has to take a huge part of the blame yesterday. He chose to start with 3 centre backs and Jazz and Bacuna as wing backs. Warnock never used that formation and we certainly never took a battering in the championship like that under Warnock. Since Harris came to the club we have also started a lot of games slowly and have conceded a lot of goals just after half time. The last few home performances u see Harris have also been atrocious, far worse than Warnock. I’m convinced that any competent experienced manager, like Hughton, could still get this squad in the play offs. Look how Millwall are faring with Rowett.

But it finished the game against Wednesday and looked solid then.

Many on here advocated for that. It should be good. Players played shit.

All very well finishing off a game in a formation but far different starting one. We had no idea what we were doing yesterday. We didn’t sit deep and try to counter and we didn’t press high. It was a total mess and that’s down to Harris.

Another good point you raised is the players attitude. Under Warnock I can’t remember seeing players looking so unmotivated and unbothered. The amount of times QPR just strolled through our defence was embarrassing.

You obviously didn't see Swansea game that was as bad but given the oposition it made it worse than yesterday.

The defence has been atrocious all season but Harris has to take a huge part of the blame yesterday. He chose to start with 3 centre backs and Jazz and Bacuna as wing backs. Warnock never used that formation and we certainly never took a battering in the championship like that under Warnock. Since Harris came to the club we have also started a lot of games slowly and have conceded a lot of goals just after half time. The last few home performances u see Harris have also been atrocious, far worse than Warnock. I’m convinced that any competent experienced manager, like Hughton, could still get this squad in the play offs. Look how Millwall are faring with Rowett.

But it finished the game against Wednesday and looked solid then.

Many on here advocated for that. It should be good. Players played shit.

All very well finishing off a game in a formation but far different starting one. We had no idea what we were doing yesterday. We didn’t sit deep and try to counter and we didn’t press high. It was a total mess and that’s down to Harris.

Another good point you raised is the players attitude. Under Warnock I can’t remember seeing players looking so unmotivated and unbothered. The amount of times QPR just strolled through our defence was embarrassing.

You obviously didn't see Swansea game that was as bad but given the oposition it made it worse than yesterday.

I agree about the Jacks game.

It didn't surprise me that we lost against the Jacks but I was astonished that a Warnock team could play a local derby with so little passion or will to win. I think we all knew at that point that something had to change.

Yesterday we were inept and tactically naïve but more worrying was the lack of players standing up and trying to change the way the game was going.

A repeat of such passionless performances against the Jacks and the knives will, rightly, be out.

The defence has been atrocious all season but Harris has to take a huge part of the blame yesterday. He chose to start with 3 centre backs and Jazz and Bacuna as wing backs. Warnock never used that formation and we certainly never took a battering in the championship like that under Warnock. Since Harris came to the club we have also started a lot of games slowly and have conceded a lot of goals just after half time. The last few home performances u see Harris have also been atrocious, far worse than Warnock. I’m convinced that any competent experienced manager, like Hughton, could still get this squad in the play offs. Look how Millwall are faring with Rowett.

But it finished the game against Wednesday and looked solid then.

Many on here advocated for that. It should be good. Players played shit.

All very well finishing off a game in a formation but far different starting one. We had no idea what we were doing yesterday. We didn’t sit deep and try to counter and we didn’t press high. It was a total mess and that’s down to Harris.

Another good point you raised is the players attitude. Under Warnock I can’t remember seeing players looking so unmotivated and unbothered. The amount of times QPR just strolled through our defence was embarrassing.

You obviously didn't see Swansea game that was as bad but given the oposition it made it worse than yesterday.

I agree about the Jacks game.

It didn't surprise me that we lost against the Jacks but I was astonished that a Warnock team could play a local derby with so little passion or will to win. I think we all knew at that point that something had to change.

Yesterday we were inept and tactically naïve but more worrying was the lack of players standing up and trying to change the way the game was going.

A repeat of such passionless performances against the Jacks and the knives will, rightly, be out.

sorry but we were absolutely battered at the liberty... every bit as much as yesterday it was actually spirit and passion that stopped the scoreline being a lot lot worse..

The defence has been atrocious all season but Harris has to take a huge part of the blame yesterday. He chose to start with 3 centre backs and Jazz and Bacuna as wing backs. Warnock never used that formation and we certainly never took a battering in the championship like that under Warnock. Since Harris came to the club we have also started a lot of games slowly and have conceded a lot of goals just after half time. The last few home performances u see Harris have also been atrocious, far worse than Warnock. I’m convinced that any competent experienced manager, like Hughton, could still get this squad in the play offs. Look how Millwall are faring with Rowett.

But it finished the game against Wednesday and looked solid then.

Many on here advocated for that. It should be good. Players played shit.

All very well finishing off a game in a formation but far different starting one. We had no idea what we were doing yesterday. We didn’t sit deep and try to counter and we didn’t press high. It was a total mess and that’s down to Harris.

Another good point you raised is the players attitude. Under Warnock I can’t remember seeing players looking so unmotivated and unbothered. The amount of times QPR just strolled through our defence was embarrassing.

You obviously didn't see Swansea game that was as bad but given the oposition it made it worse than yesterday.

I agree about the Jacks game.

It didn't surprise me that we lost against the Jacks but I was astonished that a Warnock team could play a local derby with so little passion or will to win. I think we all knew at that point that something had to change.

Yesterday we were inept and tactically naïve but more worrying was the lack of players standing up and trying to change the way the game was going.

A repeat of such passionless performances against the Jacks and the knives will, rightly, be out.

Yesterday should have been about high pressing of their back 4 as it is their weakness but it was the opposite from our players? Was it formation or just players not doing jobs either way never seen such a lethargic performance in many years.

The defence has been atrocious all season but Harris has to take a huge part of the blame yesterday. He chose to start with 3 centre backs and Jazz and Bacuna as wing backs. Warnock never used that formation and we certainly never took a battering in the championship like that under Warnock. Since Harris came to the club we have also started a lot of games slowly and have conceded a lot of goals just after half time. The last few home performances u see Harris have also been atrocious, far worse than Warnock. I’m convinced that any competent experienced manager, like Hughton, could still get this squad in the play offs. Look how Millwall are faring with Rowett.

But it finished the game against Wednesday and looked solid then.

Many on here advocated for that. It should be good. Players played shit.

It will take a while to make our defence watertight again. Even a manager of Mourinho's standing can't get Spurs a clean sheet away from home, so to expect our current crop to improve considerably under a new manager is wishful thinking.

Yes, this scoreline would have been unthinkable under Warnock and yes the way the team was set up contributed to the debacle but let's see what response Harris can get out of the players and just as important, who can he get in the January window to significantly improve the team.