What's changed since September?

Who said this in September?

"At Christmas, if we're in that top six or thereabouts, our attitude towards the January transfer budget will be different as to if we may be in the bottom four or five. So if at Christmas we're in that top six and we need to strengthen in one or two positions, I'm sure he will have Vincent Tan's full support".

Of course it was Mr Dalman. Now I fully accept that we are not in the top six at the moment but in fairness to Harris he has done a decent enough job since he came in to get the club within two points of the top six but now it seems that it has been made clear to him (probably before he even took the job) that there will be no money available to him in January.

So why the apparent change of heart?

Has all of the Premier League money including the parachute payments been spent already?
Does Tan think Harris is such a good manager that he can get the team promoted without buying any reinforcements or does Tan feel that giving Harris money would make no difference to where we will finish?
Has Tan changed his mind since September?

Or was it all just bollocks from the chairman to start off with?

Perhaps when the season ticket renewals come round we'll get a full explanation of the vision the owner has for the club in the future.... or the usual bullshit about how committed they are to do everything they can to get back to the Premier League when really the only objective is to cut costs as much as possible and reduce the debt to zero.

Nothing wrong with that aim of course but it would be nice if they just admitted it instead of pretending otherwise.

honestly ?

Besides paying of debts at present we are waiting to see if need pay nante money and that could be 20m+ if we need to pay sala wages as well? So best wait see what happens during January maybe get some decent loans in for positions needed to sustain a push for top 6..

Besides paying of debts at present we are waiting to see if need pay nante money and that could be 20m+ if we need to pay sala wages as well? So best wait see what happens during January maybe get some decent loans in for positions needed to sustain a push for top 6..

There is no way we would be liable for the wages - unfortunately that part of his contract would be frustrated by the fact that he can't perform his part of the contract for which the pay would become due.

As for paying Nantes the full £15m then taking into account the £11m received from Fulham for Reid it should only be a net loss of £4m or at least it would have been without the costs involved in trying to avoid making the payment.

honestly ?

Yes honestly.

Or is it unreasonable to expect honesty where a football club is involved?

honestly ?

Yes honestly.

Or is it unreasonable to expect honesty where a football club is involved?

I don't see dishonesty ..just someone that's taken something as if its written in stone...apart from the bit that suits...we are 10th which I think is not in the top 6.
maybe we will strengthen, maybe we wont.. but making out you've been lied to , come off it..

Besides paying of debts at present we are waiting to see if need pay nante money and that could be 20m+ if we need to pay sala wages as well? So best wait see what happens during January maybe get some decent loans in for positions needed to sustain a push for top 6..

There is no way we would be liable for the wages - unfortunately that part of his contract would be frustrated by the fact that he can't perform his part of the contract for which the pay would become due.

As for paying Nantes the full £15m then taking into account the £11m received from Fulham for Reid it should only be a net loss of £4m or at least it would have been without the costs involved in trying to avoid making the payment.

Who is then? If he becomes legally our player someone has to honour his contract ? Unfortunately once player signs contact a club is liable for his wages until end of contract, if remember we've been stung numerous times having to pay up contracts to get rid of unwanted players, not sure because he's died makes any difference to contract he signed. But probably insurance can come into play but again that could be problematic due to circumstances...

honestly ?

Yes honestly.

Or is it unreasonable to expect honesty where a football club is involved?

I don't see dishonesty ..just someone that's taken something as if its written in stone...apart from the bit that suits...we are 10th which I think is not in the top 6.
maybe we will strengthen, maybe we wont.. but making out you've been lied to , come off it..

So you think that what the club have done so far this season has lived up to their avowed intention to give it "a real go" at promotion? And that saying there is no money available in January is a real sign that they're pulling out all the stops to try to get a top six finish?

As you say ....come off it.

Besides paying of debts at present we are waiting to see if need pay nante money and that could be 20m+ if we need to pay sala wages as well? So best wait see what happens during January maybe get some decent loans in for positions needed to sustain a push for top 6..

There is no way we would be liable for the wages - unfortunately that part of his contract would be frustrated by the fact that he can't perform his part of the contract for which the pay would become due.

As for paying Nantes the full £15m then taking into account the £11m received from Fulham for Reid it should only be a net loss of £4m or at least it would have been without the costs involved in trying to avoid making the payment.

Who is then? If he becomes legally our player someone has to honour his contract ? Unfortunately once player signs contact a club is liable for his wages until end of contract, if remember we've been stung numerous times having to pay up contracts to get rid of unwanted players, not sure because he's died makes any difference to contract he signed. But probably insurance can come into play but again that could be problematic due to circumstances...

The reason we had to pay up contracts is because we chose to do that to get the player off the books. The players could have refused and sat out their full contracts and we would have had to pay them in full.

Sala's contract would have been that he would be paid a salary in return for him training, playing games for and representing Cardiff City. If he dies then unfortunately he cannot perform his part of the contract which is therefore frustrated.

Would your employer continue to pay your wages for the remainder of your contract if you died whilst working for them? They may have some form of "death in service" benefit which is available but that is not common amongst all employers.

Besides paying of debts at present we are waiting to see if need pay nante money and that could be 20m+ if we need to pay sala wages as well? So best wait see what happens during January maybe get some decent loans in for positions needed to sustain a push for top 6..

There is no way we would be liable for the wages - unfortunately that part of his contract would be frustrated by the fact that he can't perform his part of the contract for which the pay would become due.

As for paying Nantes the full £15m then taking into account the £11m received from Fulham for Reid it should only be a net loss of £4m or at least it would have been without the costs involved in trying to avoid making the payment.

Who is then? If he becomes legally our player someone has to honour his contract ? Unfortunately once player signs contact a club is liable for his wages until end of contract, if remember we've been stung numerous times having to pay up contracts to get rid of unwanted players, not sure because he's died makes any difference to contract he signed. But probably insurance can come into play but again that could be problematic due to circumstances...

The reason we had to pay up contracts is because we chose to do that to get the player off the books. The players could have refused and sat out their full contracts and we would have had to pay them in full.

Sala's contract would have been that he would be paid a salary in return for him training, playing games for and representing Cardiff City. If he dies then unfortunately he cannot perform his part of the contract which is therefore frustrated.

Would your employer continue to pay your wages for the remainder of your contract if you died whilst working for them? They may have some form of "death in service" benefit which is available but that is not common amongst all employers.

Take it as your right, but as we know football contracts are not like any other business. So wouldn't be 100% confident we wouldn't be liable in some way for ameliano personal contract. Anyway wont be long till we find out. And I don't think it will impact on transfers as tan would surely have accounted for any eventuality.

Of course the Emiliano outcome (which is inevitable) will inks this future transfers! What planet are you on... it’s impacted them already and as we speak.

Quite obvious all is not well at boardroom level, a disconnect I would say.
Choo will be moved on if the Sala fee goes against the club just like all his predecessors.

Besides paying of debts at present we are waiting to see if need pay nante money and that could be 20m+ if we need to pay sala wages as well? So best wait see what happens during January maybe get some decent loans in for positions needed to sustain a push for top 6..

There is no way we would be liable for the wages - unfortunately that part of his contract would be frustrated by the fact that he can't perform his part of the contract for which the pay would become due.

As for paying Nantes the full £15m then taking into account the £11m received from Fulham for Reid it should only be a net loss of £4m or at least it would have been without the costs involved in trying to avoid making the payment.

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So reid cost us nothing then ?

Quite obvious all is not well at boardroom level, a disconnect I would say.
Choo will be moved on if the Sala fee goes against the club just like all his predecessors.

You're not wrong here, fella. VT is an angry man over several parts of the Sala saga and the very amiable Ken Choo is in the spotlight along with another member of staff (not Dalman)

Besides paying of debts at present we are waiting to see if need pay nante money and that could be 20m+ if we need to pay sala wages as well? So best wait see what happens during January maybe get some decent loans in for positions needed to sustain a push for top 6..

There is no way we would be liable for the wages - unfortunately that part of his contract would be frustrated by the fact that he can't perform his part of the contract for which the pay would become due.

As for paying Nantes the full £15m then taking into account the £11m received from Fulham for Reid it should only be a net loss of £4m or at least it would have been without the costs involved in trying to avoid making the payment.

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So reid cost us nothing then ?

No, Reid cost £11m but that was part of the monies spent before the Premier League season started - that money has gone. If Sala had not had that tragic crash we would indeed have spent an additional £15m plus his wages and Reid would still have been at the club but that tragically didn't happen.

What I mean is that if we have to pay the full £15m for Sala then at least we have £11m for Reid coming in at the end of the season to put towards that fee.

Besides paying of debts at present we are waiting to see if need pay nante money and that could be 20m+ if we need to pay sala wages as well? So best wait see what happens during January maybe get some decent loans in for positions needed to sustain a push for top 6..

There is no way we would be liable for the wages - unfortunately that part of his contract would be frustrated by the fact that he can't perform his part of the contract for which the pay would become due.

As for paying Nantes the full £15m then taking into account the £11m received from Fulham for Reid it should only be a net loss of £4m or at least it would have been without the costs involved in trying to avoid making the payment.

Who is then? If he becomes legally our player someone has to honour his contract ? Unfortunately once player signs contact a club is liable for his wages until end of contract, if remember we've been stung numerous times having to pay up contracts to get rid of unwanted players, not sure because he's died makes any difference to contract he signed. But probably insurance can come into play but again that could be problematic due to circumstances...

Surely if someone is still alive we at least have the option of playing or selling them and therefore there is a difference as that is no longer an option. I’d be surprised if we have to pay wages as well.

Either way, it’s a tragic loss of life.

I take back everything I've said on this thread!

If I were Tan I wouldn't spend a penny on that pile of shite.

honestly ?

Yes honestly.

Or is it unreasonable to expect honesty where a football club is involved?

I don't see dishonesty ..just someone that's taken something as if its written in stone...apart from the bit that suits...we are 10th which I think is not in the top 6.
maybe we will strengthen, maybe we wont.. but making out you've been lied to , come off it..

So you think that what the club have done so far this season has lived up to their avowed intention to give it "a real go" at promotion? And that saying there is no money available in January is a real sign that they're pulling out all the stops to try to get a top six finish?

As you say ....come off it.

I think the initial intentions were good.. and as a fan that's all you can ask for..
to throw money at a possible play off push ? .. there are about a dozen teams in the mix mate and even should we succeed its still a 4 team lottery where a couple of minor injuries or a crap ref can knock you out..

honestly ?

Yes honestly.

Or is it unreasonable to expect honesty where a football club is involved?

I don't see dishonesty ..just someone that's taken something as if its written in stone...apart from the bit that suits...we are 10th which I think is not in the top 6.
maybe we will strengthen, maybe we wont.. but making out you've been lied to , come off it..

So you think that what the club have done so far this season has lived up to their avowed intention to give it "a real go" at promotion? And that saying there is no money available in January is a real sign that they're pulling out all the stops to try to get a top six finish?

As you say ....come off it.

I think the initial intentions were good.. and as a fan that's all you can ask for..
to throw money at a possible play off push ? .. there are about a dozen teams in the mix mate and even should we succeed its still a 4 team lottery where a couple of minor injuries or a crap ref can knock you out..

Fair points and I agree with you about the lottery of the play offs.

I still wonder what changed since September - maybe they had a premonition that something like today's result might happen?

honestly ?

Yes honestly.

Or is it unreasonable to expect honesty where a football club is involved?

I don't see dishonesty ..just someone that's taken something as if its written in stone...apart from the bit that suits...we are 10th which I think is not in the top 6.
maybe we will strengthen, maybe we wont.. but making out you've been lied to , come off it..

So you think that what the club have done so far this season has lived up to their avowed intention to give it "a real go" at promotion? And that saying there is no money available in January is a real sign that they're pulling out all the stops to try to get a top six finish?

As you say ....come off it.

I think the initial intentions were good.. and as a fan that's all you can ask for..
to throw money at a possible play off push ? .. there are about a dozen teams in the mix mate and even should we succeed its still a 4 team lottery where a couple of minor injuries or a crap ref can knock you out..

Fair points and I agree with you about the lottery of the play offs.

I still wonder what changed since September - maybe they had a premonition that something like today's result might happen?

not sure much has changed. the table is much more open than they might have thought..?
if I was minted and owned a club I did not support { because our board are not Cardiff fans in the sense we are } I think if id made that statement I would be thinking a lot less clubs involved and quite a bit closer to top 2 as well...