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‘ Time for some changes ‘

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:06 pm

The football is awful and it will only change if we change personel and tactics

1- Smithies for Etheridge
Etheridge has been poor since returning to the side and his distribution is killing off any chance of quick breakaways or even keeping the ball. Smithies is a better all round keeper.

2 - Richards for Peltier
We need some pace and overlapping from our full backs, Richard's if fit supplies that whilst Peltier is solid defensively he lacks any type of quality going forward

3 - Bamba for Nelson
The return of Sol Bamba as a leader in this side could be massive. Nelson has done well but is still earning at this level.

4 - I would change the whole midfield but at the moment we dont have any options for change other than asking Pack to actually pass the ball forward.

5 - Play the wingers as a front 3 instead of any of our strikers.
Madine is average at this level but has zero confidence , Glatzel is garbage and is not championship standard , Bogle and Ward are backup only .

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:21 pm

Spot on sensible and obvious post

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:37 pm

Rather chnange the "manager".

Agree with 1 and 2.

3 I disagree with, I like Nelson.

4 we don't have the options

5 Wingers are hardly performing themselves. I think Glatzel is fine if we had any kids of tactics.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:45 pm

Disagree point 3.

Disagree point 5. Try Paterson as number 9 for a few games.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:51 pm

The main change I'd like to see is to play like the home side and take the game to the away side rather than sit back and play on the break which we do, but aren't very good at.

I'd build a side around Nelson as hes young and only going to get better unlike the other 3 we have

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:58 pm

You got point 3 wrong, Bamba in for flynt Nelson is the only centre back with any pace.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:19 pm

2blue2handle wrote:Rather chnange the "manager".

Agree with 1 and 2.

3 I disagree with, I like Nelson.

4 we don't have the options

5 Wingers are hardly performing themselves. I think Glatzel is fine if we had any kids of tactics.

Agree with all your alterations to OP apart from changing manager.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:20 pm

dazza wrote:You got point 3 wrong, Bamba in for flynt Nelson is the only centre back with any pace.

Both can also play out from back quite well but I actually thought Flint was t too bad today.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:50 pm

Lose 1 in 8 and sack the manager ???
He’s not signed a single player yet so give Harris sons credit ....the cart horses are all from Warnock stable

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:54 pm

Blueman39 wrote:Lose 1 in 8 and sack the manager ???
He’s not signed a single player yet so give Harris sons credit ....the cart horses are all from Warnock stable


Exactly, lost one in eight with a team that's not his. He needs AT THE VERY LEAST two transfer windows.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:29 pm

The football style has been rubbish for many a year.
No pace in team with poor passing .
The plus side is
We have become a hard team to beat, with a great team spirit.
The new manager has done well so far with only one defeat.
He needs 3 transfer windows to change squad as we have a lot of players to sort out.
Only then can we see what he is capable.
Until he has at least two transfer windows i will back him. :bluebird:

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:37 pm

bluebirdrob wrote:The football style has been rubbish for many a year.
No pace in team with poor passing .
The plus side is
We have become a hard team to beat, with a great team spirit.
The new manager has done well so far with only one defeat.
He needs 3 transfer windows to change squad as we have a lot of players to sort out.
Only then can we see what he is capable.
Until he has at least two transfer windows i will back him. :bluebird:

I agree but it’s not always as simple as it seems as some of the dead wood have contracts for another year or two and I’d imagine there’s a few who are more than happy to stick around picking up a wage.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:58 pm

thomasblue wrote:The football is awful and it will only change if we change personel and tactics

1- Smithies for Etheridge
Etheridge has been poor since returning to the side and his distribution is killing off any chance of quick breakaways or even keeping the ball. Smithies is a better all round keeper.

2 - Richards for Peltier
We need some pace and overlapping from our full backs, Richard's if fit supplies that whilst Peltier is solid defensively he lacks any type of quality going forward

3 - Bamba for Nelson
The return of Sol Bamba as a leader in this side could be massive. Nelson has done well but is still earning at this level.

4 - I would change the whole midfield but at the moment we dont have any options for change other than asking Pack to actually pass the ball forward.

5 - Play the wingers as a front 3 instead of any of our strikers.
Madine is average at this level but has zero confidence , Glatzel is garbage and is not championship standard , Bogle and Ward are backup only .


1 - I’m on the fence with this one but I do think Etheridge needs a rest
2 - definitely with you on this one, Jazz is a much better all round player than Pelts is
3 - most definitely disagree on this one, Nelson has been our best centre back and he actually has pace, he is still learning you say so what better way to learn faster than to actually play. I would bring in Bamba though but for Flint not Nelson
4 - I disagree on this one too, we don’t have better than the midfield out there and please don’t say Ralls as he’s not the answer
5 - out of all the strikers I would play Glatzel every time as he’s the best option at the moment, it’s not his fault he hasn’t had the service

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 1:57 pm

Jazz for pettier as he injured for Sunday.
Put Patterson up front with Tomlin
Play whyte instead of Mendez..
No options to change the midfield , Pack needs to play further forward though
Would say Smithies for Etheridge, but seeing as we only post 1 in 8 can’t change team too much.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:02 pm

i think Madine would work well with the wingers sitting more forward and a bit narrower. He can lay it off to Tomlin, wingers have some one to play a give and go with.

Well it works well in my head, be better then the shit we do now

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:17 pm

Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:58 pm

Personally I think we should try Nelson and Bamba. They are both our best ball playing center halves and I think Nelson would learn alot from Bamba.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:45 pm

nubbsy wrote:Personally I think we should try Nelson and Bamba. They are both our best ball playing center halves and I think Nelson would learn alot from Bamba.

Spot on :thumbup:

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:54 pm

valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:03 pm

thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up



What makes you say that Nelson is league one at best ?
Nelson is strong and has pace, something we dont have alot of.

It's all opinions but I struggle to see your points on certain players you seem to take a dislike to

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:08 pm

thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

Nelson has been more consistent than any of our centre backs so I don’t quite get how you can say he’s 4th choice :? :shock:
As for being league one standard then you’re very wrong, if he’s league one standard then Flint is league two :roll:
Nelson for me is the first defensive name on the team sheet. Of course he’s going to be caught out of position sometimes just as the rest of our defenders, if he was the perfect defender then he’d be playing in the premier league with a better team than us.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m so glad you’re not our manager :D

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:15 pm

The problem is in front of the defence. Watched on tv on Saturday, Pack is strolling about as he has limited mobility. I think teams are targeting Pack as our main weakness. The lack of press by him(and Ralls) leaves Nelson and Flint to deal with any overload, making it look as tho it’s their mistake when really they’ve been drawn.

Playing with wingers is great if you give them good service. When we do, they tend to give varying degrees of service to our strikers. I think Neil Harris will be quick in off loading players, but it’ll probably be the summer.
Saying that, it’s fine lines at this level and we’re doing fairly well, even tho it doesn’t seem like it. We won’t get relegated.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:19 pm

Steve Ross wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

Nelson has been more consistent than any of our centre backs so I don’t quite get how you can say he’s 4th choice :? :shock:
As for being league one standard then you’re very wrong, if he’s league one standard then Flint is league two :roll:
Nelson for me is the first defensive name on the team sheet. Of course he’s going to be caught out of position sometimes just as the rest of our defenders, if he was the perfect defender then he’d be playing in the premier league with a better team than us.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m so glad you’re not our manager :D


Because he uses the old chestnut - ‘he gets caught out of position’!
What defensive player doesn’t from time to time if you analyse every goal conceded? Especially in the championship.

Personally, I’d like to see Bamba and Nelson given a run.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:21 pm

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
Steve Ross wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

Nelson has been more consistent than any of our centre backs so I don’t quite get how you can say he’s 4th choice :? :shock:
As for being league one standard then you’re very wrong, if he’s league one standard then Flint is league two :roll:
Nelson for me is the first defensive name on the team sheet. Of course he’s going to be caught out of position sometimes just as the rest of our defenders, if he was the perfect defender then he’d be playing in the premier league with a better team than us.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m so glad you’re not our manager :D


Because he uses the old chestnut - ‘he gets caught out of position’!
What defensive player doesn’t from time to time if you analyse every goal conceded? Especially in the championship.

Personally, I’d like to see Bamba and Nelson given a run.

I’m praying that Bamba and Nelson are given a run. Our 2 best CB’s imo

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:33 pm

Steve Ross wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

Nelson has been more consistent than any of our centre backs so I don’t quite get how you can say he’s 4th choice :? :shock:
As for being league one standard then you’re very wrong, if he’s league one standard then Flint is league two :roll:
Nelson for me is the first defensive name on the team sheet. Of course he’s going to be caught out of position sometimes just as the rest of our defenders, if he was the perfect defender then he’d be playing in the premier league with a better team than us.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m so glad you’re not our manager :D


He league one standard because that's the highest he has played at in his career up until now.
As I said he has done well but the clear facts are that he is only playing due to injuries and suspensions. He was dropped as soon as Morrison was fully fit. He only started because Morrison and Bamba were out injured and is only playing now because Morrison is suspended. Hes done well but hes not as good as the other 3 and I fully expect him to take his place back on the bench next week or so.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:35 pm

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
Steve Ross wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

Nelson has been more consistent than any of our centre backs so I don’t quite get how you can say he’s 4th choice :? :shock:
As for being league one standard then you’re very wrong, if he’s league one standard then Flint is league two :roll:
Nelson for me is the first defensive name on the team sheet. Of course he’s going to be caught out of position sometimes just as the rest of our defenders, if he was the perfect defender then he’d be playing in the premier league with a better team than us.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m so glad you’re not our manager :D


Because he uses the old chestnut - ‘he gets caught out of position’!
What defensive player doesn’t from time to time if you analyse every goal conceded? Especially in the championship.

Personally, I’d like to see Bamba and Nelson given a run.


Take the rose tinted glasses off and watch the goals back paying attention to Nelsom at all times and his positioning.
Just like Etheridge and Glatzel people only want to see the good parts and ignore the bad .

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:36 pm

thomasblue wrote:
Steve Ross wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

Nelson has been more consistent than any of our centre backs so I don’t quite get how you can say he’s 4th choice :? :shock:
As for being league one standard then you’re very wrong, if he’s league one standard then Flint is league two :roll:
Nelson for me is the first defensive name on the team sheet. Of course he’s going to be caught out of position sometimes just as the rest of our defenders, if he was the perfect defender then he’d be playing in the premier league with a better team than us.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m so glad you’re not our manager :D


He league one standard because that's the highest he has played at in his career up until now.
As I said he has done well but the clear facts are that he is only playing due to injuries and suspensions. He was dropped as soon as Morrison was fully fit. He only started because Morrison and Bamba were out injured and is only playing now because Morrison is suspended. Hes done well but hes not as good as the other 3 and I fully expect him to take his place back on the bench next week or so.



So on that basis, Smithies is championship level and Etheridge is PL level. Thanks for that :thumbup:

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:41 pm

Charlie Harper wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
Steve Ross wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

Nelson has been more consistent than any of our centre backs so I don’t quite get how you can say he’s 4th choice :? :shock:
As for being league one standard then you’re very wrong, if he’s league one standard then Flint is league two :roll:
Nelson for me is the first defensive name on the team sheet. Of course he’s going to be caught out of position sometimes just as the rest of our defenders, if he was the perfect defender then he’d be playing in the premier league with a better team than us.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m so glad you’re not our manager :D


He league one standard because that's the highest he has played at in his career up until now.
As I said he has done well but the clear facts are that he is only playing due to injuries and suspensions. He was dropped as soon as Morrison was fully fit. He only started because Morrison and Bamba were out injured and is only playing now because Morrison is suspended. Hes done well but hes not as good as the other 3 and I fully expect him to take his place back on the bench next week or so.



So on that basis, Smithies is championship level and Etheridge is PL level. Thanks for that :thumbup:


A bit different having 1 season at premier league level compared to 6 seasons in league 2
Lets be fair you cant even compare Etheridge playing history because he spent his first 8 seasons warming the bench before he got a move to the dizzy heights of Walsall.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:47 pm

thomasblue wrote:
OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
Steve Ross wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

thomasblue wrote:
valleyrambill wrote:Nelson is a great player I totally disagree with that one plus Ethridge has saved us a few times however I agree
with his kicking but don't remember Smithie being any better with his kicking


Nelson is a league one standard centre back who is on a good run of form. He has been caught out of position a few times but has got away with it. When it comes to a choice of Bamba , morrison and flint then Nelson should be 4th choice in reality . But he does deserve his place at the moment he has done really well but the question is can he keep it up

Nelson has been more consistent than any of our centre backs so I don’t quite get how you can say he’s 4th choice :? :shock:
As for being league one standard then you’re very wrong, if he’s league one standard then Flint is league two :roll:
Nelson for me is the first defensive name on the team sheet. Of course he’s going to be caught out of position sometimes just as the rest of our defenders, if he was the perfect defender then he’d be playing in the premier league with a better team than us.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m so glad you’re not our manager :D


Because he uses the old chestnut - ‘he gets caught out of position’!
What defensive player doesn’t from time to time if you analyse every goal conceded? Especially in the championship.

Personally, I’d like to see Bamba and Nelson given a run.


Take the rose tinted glasses off and watch the goals back paying attention to Nelsom at all times and his positioning.
Just like Etheridge and Glatzel people only want to see the good parts and ignore the bad .


The one thing I don’t do is watch City with rose tinted glasses on. I’ve watched them for far too many years for that. I’m objective and will criticise when needed.

Perhaps you should see the bigger picture instead of having a downer on a particular player and never seeing the good things.

Re: ‘ Time for some changes ‘

Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:49 pm

I'd try NML up front....no high balls just balls to feet or towards the channels. Whyte on one wing, Junior on the other and Tomlin at no 10 or even alongside Mendez. Plenty of skill and pace in that forward line, ideal for lots of link play, dummy runs and trickery in and around the box. Would prove a handful at this level and tons better to watch than long balls to Glatzel only to see him crumble at every challenge or the occasional flick on when Madine plays. All we need then is a complete rebuild in midfield, a RB and CB and we'll be laughing.