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EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:04 am

Cardiff's appeal against Emiliano Sala transfer fee likely to be heard in spring 2020
By PA Media


Cardiff's appeal against paying the first instalment of 6 million euros (£5.3m) to Nantes for Emiliano Sala is likely to be heard next spring.

The appeal will go before the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Lausanne, Switzerland, although the final decision is not expected before June 2020.

Argentine striker Sala died in January when the plane carrying him from France to his new club crashed in the English Channel.

Cardiff and Nantes have since been in dispute over fee payments, with the Welsh club saying they were not liable for the full £15m transfer fee because Sala was not officially their player when he died.

But FIFA ruled in September that Cardiff - who were in the Premier League at the time of the accident - must pay for Sala.

A CAS statement read: "The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has registered the appeal filed by Cardiff City Football Club against Football Club de Nantes in relation to the decision issued by the Bureau of the FIFA Players' Status Committee on 30 October 2019 (the Challenged Decision).

"In accordance with the Code of Sports-related Arbitration, the rules governing CAS procedures, an appeal arbitration procedure has been opened.

"The counsels for Cardiff City FC and for FC Nantes have agreed to set an ad hoc procedural calendar. A hearing is likely to be fixed in spring 2020.

"A final award is not expected before June 2020. CAS will not comment any further on the ongoing proceedings."

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:07 am

My apologies if this one has been done before (the date of writing was no clear) but I'm sure the vast majority will welcome the end of this particular saga at which point we can all move on; sadly without Emiliano himself; something that I feel is often forgotten in the arguments and condescension that occurs when the matter is brought up and decisions have not yet been considered

RIP, Emiliano Sala. May you rest in peace :cry:

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:48 am

It's not really "looming" but I agree with your take on the human side of this tragedy especially at this time of year. Thoughts with his family.

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:06 pm

Has to go to this , if we are ruled against then its final and should be partly insuranced also will be able to go after the planes insurance too

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:21 pm

wez1927 wrote:Has to go to this , if we are ruled against then its final and should be partly insuranced also will be able to go after the planes insurance too


Whatever the outcome it will not be the end of it. The losing party will look at recovering their loses via other means such as "Plane Insurance" or whatever other public liability insurance is about. Further investigations are expected but it will all be under the radar instead of public view.

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:56 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Has to go to this , if we are ruled against then its final and should be partly insuranced also will be able to go after the planes insurance too


Whatever the outcome it will not be the end of it. The losing party will look at recovering their loses via other means such as "Plane Insurance" or whatever other public liability insurance is about. Further investigations are expected but it will all be under the radar instead of public view.

Agree

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:37 pm

[quote="wez1927"]Has to go to this , if we are ruled against then its final and should be partly insuranced also will be able to go after the planes insurance too[/quote



wouldn't any plane loss of life insurance payment go to the next of kin ?
plus if the plane was being used commercially it voids the insurance.
personally I hope the CAS hearing brings this to an end....

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:07 pm

I think this will rumble on for a few years yet regardless of the outcome of the CAS.

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:51 pm

thomasblue wrote:I think this will rumble on for a few years yet regardless of the outcome of the CAS.



I really hope not..

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:07 pm

dogfound wrote:
thomasblue wrote:I think this will rumble on for a few years yet regardless of the outcome of the CAS.



I really hope not..


I just dont see how it wont.
If we win or lose There will be court cases to come against the owners of the plane, agents involved in the transfer and anyone else deemed to have acted wrongly over this probably by both us and Nantes.

Possible transfer bans and objections to transfer bans which we will dispute so will mean more hearings with the EFL and possibly CAS again

Emilianos family will still want closure and answers to who was responsible which could end up in even more court hearings.

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:59 pm

thomasblue wrote:
dogfound wrote:
thomasblue wrote:I think this will rumble on for a few years yet regardless of the outcome of the CAS.



I really hope not..


I just dont see how it wont.
If we win or lose There will be court cases to come against the owners of the plane, agents involved in the transfer and anyone else deemed to have acted wrongly over this probably by both us and Nantes.

Possible transfer bans and objections to transfer bans which we will dispute so will mean more hearings with the EFL and possibly CAS again

Emilianos family will still want closure and answers to who was responsible which could end up in even more court hearings.



I thought the CAS decision was final regarding the transfer..i assumed all parties would have agreed to that .?. I don't know ,but it seems pointless having arbitration if the losers can just keep appealing ?

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:12 pm

dogfound wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
dogfound wrote:
thomasblue wrote:I think this will rumble on for a few years yet regardless of the outcome of the CAS.



I really hope not..


I just dont see how it wont.
If we win or lose There will be court cases to come against the owners of the plane, agents involved in the transfer and anyone else deemed to have acted wrongly over this probably by both us and Nantes.

Possible transfer bans and objections to transfer bans which we will dispute so will mean more hearings with the EFL and possibly CAS again

Emilianos family will still want closure and answers to who was responsible which could end up in even more court hearings.



I thought the CAS decision was final regarding the transfer..i assumed all parties would have agreed to that .?. I don't know ,but it seems pointless having arbitration if the losers can just keep appealing ?

I'm no expert on such things (theres only one 'know all' on this Forum) but I would think it difficult for the club (City) not to abide by the CAS decision

After that, I think their only recourse might be one of chasing individuals through the Courts on a solely monetary basis

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:18 pm

Sven wrote:
dogfound wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
dogfound wrote:
thomasblue wrote:I think this will rumble on for a few years yet regardless of the outcome of the CAS.



I really hope not..


I just dont see how it wont.
If we win or lose There will be court cases to come against the owners of the plane, agents involved in the transfer and anyone else deemed to have acted wrongly over this probably by both us and Nantes.

Possible transfer bans and objections to transfer bans which we will dispute so will mean more hearings with the EFL and possibly CAS again

Emilianos family will still want closure and answers to who was responsible which could end up in even more court hearings.



I thought the CAS decision was final regarding the transfer..i assumed all parties would have agreed to that .?. I don't know ,but it seems pointless having arbitration if the losers can just keep appealing ?

I'm no expert on such things (theres only one 'know all' on this Forum) but I would think it difficult for the club (City) not to abide by the CAS decision

After that, I think their only recourse might be one of chasing individuals through the Courts on a solely monetary basis



that's how I see it..
it seems to have gone on forever already.. hard to believe that this time a year ago hardly any of us had a clue of who Emiliano Sala was.. I certainly didn't.

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:21 pm

I highly expect CAS to say exactly the same as FIFA.

We should have paid them in the first place, and avoided this mess.

Cardiff City Football Club do not come out of this well.

I can only feel sorry for the family who are having to hear these stories in the UK, in France and in South America very often.

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:56 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:I highly expect CAS to say exactly the same as FIFA.

We should have paid them in the first place, and avoided this mess.

Cardiff City Football Club do not come out of this well.

I can only feel sorry for the family who are having to hear these stories in the UK, in France and in South America very often.




I agree we should have paid but we are where we are and should we lose I hope it stops..

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:22 pm

dogfound wrote:
Sven wrote:
dogfound wrote:
thomasblue wrote:
dogfound wrote:
thomasblue wrote:I think this will rumble on for a few years yet regardless of the outcome of the CAS.



I really hope not..


I just dont see how it wont.
If we win or lose There will be court cases to come against the owners of the plane, agents involved in the transfer and anyone else deemed to have acted wrongly over this probably by both us and Nantes.

Possible transfer bans and objections to transfer bans which we will dispute so will mean more hearings with the EFL and possibly CAS again

Emilianos family will still want closure and answers to who was responsible which could end up in even more court hearings.



I thought the CAS decision was final regarding the transfer..i assumed all parties would have agreed to that .?. I don't know ,but it seems pointless having arbitration if the losers can just keep appealing ?

I'm no expert on such things (theres only one 'know all' on this Forum) but I would think it difficult for the club (City) not to abide by the CAS decision

After that, I think their only recourse might be one of chasing individuals through the Courts on a solely monetary basis



that's how I see it..
it seems to have gone on forever already.. hard to believe that this time a year ago hardly any of us had a clue of who Emiliano Sala was.. I certainly didn't.


I'm no expert in this but I'm assuming this hearing is just to decide whether he was our player or not by contract and thereby judging whether payment is due by Cardiff. Whichever way they decide the losing club will take a different legal route against anybody involved for financial reasons meaning more court cases.
I cant see it just being finalised from this one hearing.
If they side with Cardiff we will then be looking to recoup costs and losses fighting this and Nantes will be trying to claim the other way through insurance.
Either way you would think there will be other hearings regarding who was responsible for the tragedy if anybody.

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:57 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:I highly expect CAS to say exactly the same as FIFA.

We should have paid them in the first place, and avoided this mess.

Cardiff City Football Club do not come out of this well.

I can only feel sorry for the family who are having to hear these stories in the UK, in France and in South America very often.

Fifa only looked at te registration of the player even they admitted they didn't look at the contracts ,I expect city to win this on the contract issues

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:04 pm

wez1927 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:I highly expect CAS to say exactly the same as FIFA.

We should have paid them in the first place, and avoided this mess.

Cardiff City Football Club do not come out of this well.

I can only feel sorry for the family who are having to hear these stories in the UK, in France and in South America very often.

Fifa only looked at te registration of the player even they admitted they didn't look at the contracts ,I expect city to win this on the contract issues



FIFA dismissed Cardiffs contention that his premier league contract being rejected should void the transfer. does not mean it had not been considered..
from their perspective we had signed him. all the relevant paper work and registrations regarding the transfer were in order and had been done..so completing forms relating to those competitions in which we wanted him to play in is down to ourselves...

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:42 pm

Guys as I told you this comes down to two parts and it is a very simple scenario, yet again Cardiff’s advisors have been atrocious although again I suspect it is Tan being single minded. Let’s not forget while he has invested well at times in various non sport related businesses... he is not an educated man, dropping out of school at 14/15 and has had no successful sports investments to date.

Anyway, this comes down to the claim that he wasn’t registered for PL competition. That argument at the time I stated looked to be put together by an intern, it’s irrelevant that he was/wasn’t registered to the PL. The contract signed was completely valid - but until the signing on fee structure was amended to comply with the Premier League then he would not be able to play in that particular competition.

Secondly the flight being arranged by the agent. This was not under the instructions of Nantes meaning they are not liable. It’s as simple as that.

Those are the two things Cardiff are claiming. Both are laughable. Should have paid at the start, it has now cost far more in cash and also in reputation damage - again exactly what I said would happen at the start of the saga.

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:45 am

tannerblue wrote:Guys as I told you this comes down to two parts and it is a very simple scenario, yet again Cardiff’s advisors have been atrocious although again I suspect it is Tan being single minded. Let’s not forget while he has invested well at times in various non sport related businesses... he is not an educated man, dropping out of school at 14/15 and has had no successful sports investments to date.

Anyway, this comes down to the claim that he wasn’t registered for PL competition. That argument at the time I stated looked to be put together by an intern, it’s irrelevant that he was/wasn’t registered to the PL. The contract signed was completely valid - but until the signing on fee structure was amended to comply with the Premier League then he would not be able to play in that particular competition.

Secondly the flight being arranged by the agent. This was not under the instructions of Nantes meaning they are not liable. It’s as simple as that.

Those are the two things Cardiff are claiming. Both are laughable. Should have paid at the start, it has now cost far more in cash and also in reputation damage - again exactly what I said would happen at the start of the saga.



And there's that trumpet again :roll: Why are you concerned if it has cost more cash? Not your club, shouldn't be your concern really. Why don't you write to Tan and tell him? You could be his new financial advisor :laughing5: :old: :bluebird:

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 1:28 am

bluesince62 wrote:
tannerblue wrote:Guys as I told you this comes down to two parts and it is a very simple scenario, yet again Cardiff’s advisors have been atrocious although again I suspect it is Tan being single minded. Let’s not forget while he has invested well at times in various non sport related businesses... he is not an educated man, dropping out of school at 14/15 and has had no successful sports investments to date.

Anyway, this comes down to the claim that he wasn’t registered for PL competition. That argument at the time I stated looked to be put together by an intern, it’s irrelevant that he was/wasn’t registered to the PL. The contract signed was completely valid - but until the signing on fee structure was amended to comply with the Premier League then he would not be able to play in that particular competition.

Secondly the flight being arranged by the agent. This was not under the instructions of Nantes meaning they are not liable. It’s as simple as that.

Those are the two things Cardiff are claiming. Both are laughable. Should have paid at the start, it has now cost far more in cash and also in reputation damage - again exactly what I said would happen at the start of the saga.



And there's that trumpet again :roll: Why are you concerned if it has cost more cash? Not your club, shouldn't be your concern really. Why don't you write to Tan and tell him? You could be his new financial advisor :laughing5: :old: :bluebird:


Trumpet? No trumpet, I’m just responding to a thread that is discussion the CAS decision. I told you what the case revolves around and why it won’t win.

I’d be happy to tell Tan the same, however I would assume there are plenty of people around the club able to give the same advice, however the fact these ridiculous decisions keep getting made suggests he isn’t taking advice. Let’s not forget he dropped out of school at 14/15 and has not had any successful sports investments. I suppose you thought the rebrand was an astute group decision too did you? :roll:

Unsure why you think that means I am “concerned” however. This forum says “all fans welcome” and it is an interesting case where a club is refusing to pay a transfer fee. Not the norm. Have some sense.

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 3:06 am

welshcasual wrote:
bluesince62 wrote:
tannerblue wrote:Guys as I told you this comes down to two parts and it is a very simple scenario, yet again Cardiff’s advisors have been atrocious although again I suspect it is Tan being single minded. Let’s not forget while he has invested well at times in various non sport related businesses... he is not an educated man, dropping out of school at 14/15 and has had no successful sports investments to date.

Anyway, this comes down to the claim that he wasn’t registered for PL competition. That argument at the time I stated looked to be put together by an intern, it’s irrelevant that he was/wasn’t registered to the PL. The contract signed was completely valid - but until the signing on fee structure was amended to comply with the Premier League then he would not be able to play in that particular competition.

Secondly the flight being arranged by the agent. This was not under the instructions of Nantes meaning they are not liable. It’s as simple as that.

Those are the two things Cardiff are claiming. Both are laughable. Should have paid at the start, it has now cost far more in cash and also in reputation damage - again exactly what I said would happen at the start of the saga.



And there's that trumpet again :roll: Why are you concerned if it has cost more cash? Not your club, shouldn't be your concern really. Why don't you write to Tan and tell him? You could be his new financial advisor :laughing5: :old: :bluebird:


Trumpet? No trumpet, I’m just responding to a thread that is discussion the CAS decision. I told you what the case revolves around and why it won’t win.

I’d be happy to tell Tan the same, however I would assume there are plenty of people around the club able to give the same advice, however the fact these ridiculous decisions keep getting made suggests he isn’t taking advice. Let’s not forget he dropped out of school at 14/15 and has not had any successful sports investments. I suppose you thought the rebrand was an astute group decision too did you? :roll:

Unsure why you think that means I am “concerned” however. This forum says “all fans welcome” and it is an interesting case where a club is refusing to pay a transfer fee. Not the norm. Have some sense.



You after the record of how many stupid names you can put on here in one day? You are a sick joke :thumbup:

Re: EMILIANO SALA CONCLUSION LOOMING?

Wed Dec 25, 2019 4:07 am

Makes no difference to me Al, the only person that puts any importance on usernames seems to be you. :roll: