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You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull out

Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:57 am

Wez will be happy he did predict it
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2019/12/ ... gBw6S2ZNQI

POLAND SPAIN IS THE EU TO CRUMBLE?

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:34 am

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2019/12/ ... gB6rS2ZNQI
correct link didn't have the bins on

wez what you reckon?

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:15 am

I have spoken to many Spanish and they want out as prices soared here when they joined and they believe the EU will crumble Daya.

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:16 am

Daya wrote:Wez will be happy he did predict it
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2019/12/ ... gBw6S2ZNQI

POLAND SPAIN IS THE EU TO CRUMBLE?

Told you ages ago , the eu have become to political, empire building

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:33 am

What most ardent remainers seem to ignore when discussing with leave voters is that many just want to be free of a political union where another body is given precidence over their own national governments on increasing areas.

Most are happy with trade and cooperation. Ease of travel also great. But why are we giving up swathes of decision making powers? Being against the political EU doesn't make you racist or bigoted. It doesn't make you stupid or ignorant. It just means you want to do things in a different way.

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:45 am

welshrarebit wrote:What most ardent remainers seem to ignore when discussing with leave voters is that many just want to be free of a political union where another body is given precidence over their own national governments on increasing areas.

Most are happy with trade and cooperation. Ease of travel also great. But why are we giving up swathes of decision making powers? Being against the political EU doesn't make you racist or bigoted. It doesn't make you stupid or ignorant. It just means you want to do things in a different way.


We joined the European Common Market (ECM) in the 1970s. We should have kept to that model.

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:47 am

wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Wez will be happy he did predict it
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2019/12/ ... gBw6S2ZNQI

POLAND SPAIN IS THE EU TO CRUMBLE?

Told you ages ago , the eu have become to political, empire building


Should have kept to the original idea of the Common Market.

We then had free trade and right of movement BUT not right of work. if we kept that model then Brexit would have been a fantasy.

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:48 am

I suspect had we done that we would still be part of it.

It's mission creep now with them. Make small little changes so year by year they claim it's only a single law here or there. But taken as a whole it's rafts of changes.

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:04 pm

A super-state run by Germany & France would be the result if it wasn't for the fact that it will implode before that stage is reached. Unless they return to it's original function, we will not be the only country to want out.

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:24 pm

Only two countries have benefited from the Euro, Germany and The Netherlands all the rest would be better off if they had retained their own currency.

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:00 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Wez will be happy he did predict it
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2019/12/ ... gBw6S2ZNQI

POLAND SPAIN IS THE EU TO CRUMBLE?

Told you ages ago , the eu have become to political, empire building




Wez said long ago that EU didn't want Brexit because it will encourage other countries to leave! Also Poland are In trouble with EU because Poland removed judges against EU
rules and that may not end well either... :old:

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:20 pm

I'd be surprised if Poland left while they're net beneficiaries of £9 billion quid a year. If they were told tomorrow they had to pat they're way they' d be out before us. Spain on the other hand get out what they pay in, more or less, so maybe.

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:21 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Wez will be happy he did predict it
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2019/12/ ... gBw6S2ZNQI

POLAND SPAIN IS THE EU TO CRUMBLE?

Told you ages ago , the eu have become to political, empire building




Wez said long ago that EU didn't want Brexit because it will encourage other countries to leave! Also Poland are In trouble with EU because Poland removed judges against EU
rules and that may not end well either... :old:
I called it before the referendum, and brexit will speed it up the euro zone has left countries like Spain, Portugal,Italy Greece behind and the eu are starting to act like a country and not a trading bloc its finished, it will crumble in the next decade once we leave

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:25 pm

They should have kept it as a trade union like it originally was, holding too much power over other countries is just a recipe for disaster.

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:16 pm

wez1927 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Daya wrote:Wez will be happy he did predict it
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2019/12/ ... gBw6S2ZNQI

POLAND SPAIN IS THE EU TO CRUMBLE?

Told you ages ago , the eu have become to political, empire building




Wez said long ago that EU didn't want Brexit because it will encourage other countries to leave! Also Poland are In trouble with EU because Poland removed judges against EU
rules and that may not end well either... :old:
I called it before the referendum, and brexit will speed it up the euro zone has left countries like Spain, Portugal,Italy Greece behind and the eu are starting to act like a country and not a trading bloc its finished, it will crumble in the next decade once we leave



Let's hope so they are imposing EU laws on lots more things quietly so wont notice until it's to late like poland situation? Basically Poland said up yours junkers we do what we want and junkers "EU ' dont like it

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:29 pm

Here is just one personal example of how the EU has benefited massively the Poorer countries within the Euro Club.

And why would they want to leave something that has changed their fortunes on a massive scale. Not to mention all the so called politicians collecting their "Gravy Train" wages from Brussels and Strasbourg.

In the early 1980's in the last throws of British military Influence in Malta, after Mr Mintoff, F-cked us off, I was stationed near Valletta. Believe me when I tell you that it was a shithole of a place with friendly people and a happy place to be.

I left the Military at the end of the 1980's and Civvy Street awaited. marriage , Kids, Etc.

Returned on holiday to Valletta in 2012 and Could not believe my eyes how much this friendly shitehole had changed - People still as friendly as ever but WEALTH, INFRASTRUCTURE, My God - the centre of Valletta was like a modern Glass structured city, akin any top European modern city.

Malta Only Joined the EU in 2004 but it has benefited them Massively !

So, the EU has been More than Brilliant for them and they have certainly sucked as much as they could out of it - Good luck to them BUT How many other countries now in the EU have massively benefited out of the "so called" Richer EU nations ?

I say that all seems great on the face of it - that everyone is a winner - and every country is on an equal footing in Europe. Afterall that was supposed to be the whole aim of the EU - to make us all EQUAL.

Really?

Well how come lots of businesses, factories and farming transferred from Germany, France, UK, only to be relocated to places like Poland, Czechia, Estonia, Romania, etc ? where labour is much much cheaper, land is much cheaper, planning much less strict, health & safety not enforced, - WHEN WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE EQUAL INSIDE THE EU. -

BOL-CKS EH !!!!

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:27 pm

powysblue wrote:Here is just one personal example of how the EU has benefited massively the Poorer countries within the Euro Club.

And why would they want to leave something that has changed their fortunes on a massive scale. Not to mention all the so called politicians collecting their "Gravy Train" wages from Brussels and Strasbourg.

In the early 1980's in the last throws of British military Influence in Malta, after Mr Mintoff, F-cked us off, I was stationed near Valletta. Believe me when I tell you that it was a shithole of a place with friendly people and a happy place to be.

I left the Military at the end of the 1980's and Civvy Street awaited. marriage , Kids, Etc.

Returned on holiday to Valletta in 2012 and Could not believe my eyes how much this friendly shitehole had changed - People still as friendly as ever but WEALTH, INFRASTRUCTURE, My God - the centre of Valletta was like a modern Glass structured city, akin any top European modern city.

Malta Only Joined the EU in 2004 but it has benefited them Massively !

So, the EU has been More than Brilliant for them and they have certainly sucked as much as they could out of it - Good luck to them BUT How many other countries now in the EU have massively benefited out of the "so called" Richer EU nations ?

I say that all seems great on the face of it - that everyone is a winner - and every country is on an equal footing in Europe. Afterall that was supposed to be the whole aim of the EU - to make us all EQUAL.

Really?

Well how come lots of businesses, factories and farming transferred from Germany, France, UK, only to be relocated to places like Poland, Czechia, Estonia, Romania, etc ? where labour is much much cheaper, land is much cheaper, planning much less strict, health & safety not enforced, - WHEN WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE EQUAL INSIDE THE EU. -

BOL-CKS EH !!!!

I was in Malta last month and couldn’t believe the amount of building work that’s going on there,I was talking to a taxi driver and he was saying about when they had the vote to join us in the eu, he said he voted against it as he wanted to stay as he was but he said it’s the best thing that’s ever happened to his country now he said there’s no unemployment and he earns a good wage and everything’s looking rosy, So like its said the poorer countries are benefiting, but it’s our money there benefiting from

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:07 pm

casa gil wrote:
powysblue wrote:Here is just one personal example of how the EU has benefited massively the Poorer countries within the Euro Club.

And why would they want to leave something that has changed their fortunes on a massive scale. Not to mention all the so called politicians collecting their "Gravy Train" wages from Brussels and Strasbourg.

In the early 1980's in the last throws of British military Influence in Malta, after Mr Mintoff, F-cked us off, I was stationed near Valletta. Believe me when I tell you that it was a shithole of a place with friendly people and a happy place to be.

I left the Military at the end of the 1980's and Civvy Street awaited. marriage , Kids, Etc.

Returned on holiday to Valletta in 2012 and Could not believe my eyes how much this friendly shitehole had changed - People still as friendly as ever but WEALTH, INFRASTRUCTURE, My God - the centre of Valletta was like a modern Glass structured city, akin any top European modern city.

Malta Only Joined the EU in 2004 but it has benefited them Massively !

So, the EU has been More than Brilliant for them and they have certainly sucked as much as they could out of it - Good luck to them BUT How many other countries now in the EU have massively benefited out of the "so called" Richer EU nations ?

I say that all seems great on the face of it - that everyone is a winner - and every country is on an equal footing in Europe. Afterall that was supposed to be the whole aim of the EU - to make us all EQUAL.

Really?

Well how come lots of businesses, factories and farming transferred from Germany, France, UK, only to be relocated to places like Poland, Czechia, Estonia, Romania, etc ? where labour is much much cheaper, land is much cheaper, planning much less strict, health & safety not enforced, - WHEN WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE EQUAL INSIDE THE EU. -

BOL-CKS EH !!!!

I was in Malta last month and couldn’t believe the amount of building work that’s going on there,I was talking to a taxi driver and he was saying about when they had the vote to join us in the eu, he said he voted against it as he wanted to stay as he was but he said it’s the best thing that’s ever happened to his country now he said there’s no unemployment and he earns a good wage and everything’s looking rosy, So like its said the poorer countries are benefiting, but it’s our money there benefiting from



spot on...
all that nonsense about the figure on the bus and the NHS...
does it matter where its spent as long as its here that its being spent...

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:28 pm

dogfound wrote:
casa gil wrote:
powysblue wrote:Here is just one personal example of how the EU has benefited massively the Poorer countries within the Euro Club.

And why would they want to leave something that has changed their fortunes on a massive scale. Not to mention all the so called politicians collecting their "Gravy Train" wages from Brussels and Strasbourg.

In the early 1980's in the last throws of British military Influence in Malta, after Mr Mintoff, F-cked us off, I was stationed near Valletta. Believe me when I tell you that it was a shithole of a place with friendly people and a happy place to be.

I left the Military at the end of the 1980's and Civvy Street awaited. marriage , Kids, Etc.

Returned on holiday to Valletta in 2012 and Could not believe my eyes how much this friendly shitehole had changed - People still as friendly as ever but WEALTH, INFRASTRUCTURE, My God - the centre of Valletta was like a modern Glass structured city, akin any top European modern city.

Malta Only Joined the EU in 2004 but it has benefited them Massively !

So, the EU has been More than Brilliant for them and they have certainly sucked as much as they could out of it - Good luck to them BUT How many other countries now in the EU have massively benefited out of the "so called" Richer EU nations ?

I say that all seems great on the face of it - that everyone is a winner - and every country is on an equal footing in Europe. Afterall that was supposed to be the whole aim of the EU - to make us all EQUAL.

Really?

Well how come lots of businesses, factories and farming transferred from Germany, France, UK, only to be relocated to places like Poland, Czechia, Estonia, Romania, etc ? where labour is much much cheaper, land is much cheaper, planning much less strict, health & safety not enforced, - WHEN WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE EQUAL INSIDE THE EU. -

BOL-CKS EH !!!!

I was in Malta last month and couldn’t believe the amount of building work that’s going on there,I was talking to a taxi driver and he was saying about when they had the vote to join us in the eu, he said he voted against it as he wanted to stay as he was but he said it’s the best thing that’s ever happened to his country now he said there’s no unemployment and he earns a good wage and everything’s looking rosy, So like its said the poorer countries are benefiting, but it’s our money there benefiting from



spot on...
all that nonsense about the figure on the bus and the NHS...
does it matter where its spent as long as its here that its being spent...


I am not sure why the UK population have to work additional years before they have access to their state pension while many of these countries being helped by our contributions are able to retire far earlier. If they are to become richer, does it make sense to have the population contributing to the wealth of the country by working fewer years which means that they are being paid from the pension pot for many more years. Not sure how this works. Our government have calculated that things needed to change here with more people taking money from the pot as life expectancy increases, and you would assume countries like Malta would take similar measures. Perhaps they will all have to take stock of things now one of their biggest contributors are going to be trying to put their own house in order rather than being instructed as to how their own funds can be spent.

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:43 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
dogfound wrote:
casa gil wrote:
powysblue wrote:Here is just one personal example of how the EU has benefited massively the Poorer countries within the Euro Club.

And why would they want to leave something that has changed their fortunes on a massive scale. Not to mention all the so called politicians collecting their "Gravy Train" wages from Brussels and Strasbourg.

In the early 1980's in the last throws of British military Influence in Malta, after Mr Mintoff, F-cked us off, I was stationed near Valletta. Believe me when I tell you that it was a shithole of a place with friendly people and a happy place to be.

I left the Military at the end of the 1980's and Civvy Street awaited. marriage , Kids, Etc.

Returned on holiday to Valletta in 2012 and Could not believe my eyes how much this friendly shitehole had changed - People still as friendly as ever but WEALTH, INFRASTRUCTURE, My God - the centre of Valletta was like a modern Glass structured city, akin any top European modern city.

Malta Only Joined the EU in 2004 but it has benefited them Massively !

So, the EU has been More than Brilliant for them and they have certainly sucked as much as they could out of it - Good luck to them BUT How many other countries now in the EU have massively benefited out of the "so called" Richer EU nations ?

I say that all seems great on the face of it - that everyone is a winner - and every country is on an equal footing in Europe. Afterall that was supposed to be the whole aim of the EU - to make us all EQUAL.

Really?

Well how come lots of businesses, factories and farming transferred from Germany, France, UK, only to be relocated to places like Poland, Czechia, Estonia, Romania, etc ? where labour is much much cheaper, land is much cheaper, planning much less strict, health & safety not enforced, - WHEN WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE EQUAL INSIDE THE EU. -

BOL-CKS EH !!!!

I was in Malta last month and couldn’t believe the amount of building work that’s going on there,I was talking to a taxi driver and he was saying about when they had the vote to join us in the eu, he said he voted against it as he wanted to stay as he was but he said it’s the best thing that’s ever happened to his country now he said there’s no unemployment and he earns a good wage and everything’s looking rosy, So like its said the poorer countries are benefiting, but it’s our money there benefiting from



spot on...
all that nonsense about the figure on the bus and the NHS...
does it matter where its spent as long as its here that its being spent...


I am not sure why the UK population have to work additional years before they have access to their state pension while many of these countries being helped by our contributions are able to retire far earlier. If they are to become richer, does it make sense to have the population contributing to the wealth of the country by working fewer years which means that they are being paid from the pension pot for many more years. Not sure how this works. Our government have calculated that things needed to change here with more people taking money from the pot as life expectancy increases, and you would assume countries like Malta would take similar measures. Perhaps they will all have to take stock of things now one of their biggest contributors are going to be trying to put their own house in order rather than being instructed as to how their own funds can be spent.




Simple really France ect ect had their own employment/pension policies same as us so when EU was formed they were kept as they were.. it is unsustainable in France but as soon as gvmnt wants to change it the unions riot! Here we dont have militant unions anymore so any gvmnt can simply change things when they like... hence reason why migrants want to come here EU countries do not cater for outsiders getting state aid like housing! I know worked in France.... but in this country we don't have such restrictions so when migrants come here we cannot say no to benefits because we fall foul of EU legislation that says we must afford people same rights as our own people.... france have no such problem because dont give anything near what we do in 1st place :old:

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:23 am

Nexit will be the next one to happen, Netherlands have started the ball rolling

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:01 am

Steve Zodiak wrote:
dogfound wrote:
casa gil wrote:
powysblue wrote:Here is just one personal example of how the EU has benefited massively the Poorer countries within the Euro Club.

And why would they want to leave something that has changed their fortunes on a massive scale. Not to mention all the so called politicians collecting their "Gravy Train" wages from Brussels and Strasbourg.

In the early 1980's in the last throws of British military Influence in Malta, after Mr Mintoff, F-cked us off, I was stationed near Valletta. Believe me when I tell you that it was a shithole of a place with friendly people and a happy place to be.

I left the Military at the end of the 1980's and Civvy Street awaited. marriage , Kids, Etc.

Returned on holiday to Valletta in 2012 and Could not believe my eyes how much this friendly shitehole had changed - People still as friendly as ever but WEALTH, INFRASTRUCTURE, My God - the centre of Valletta was like a modern Glass structured city, akin any top European modern city.

Malta Only Joined the EU in 2004 but it has benefited them Massively !

So, the EU has been More than Brilliant for them and they have certainly sucked as much as they could out of it - Good luck to them BUT How many other countries now in the EU have massively benefited out of the "so called" Richer EU nations ?

I say that all seems great on the face of it - that everyone is a winner - and every country is on an equal footing in Europe. Afterall that was supposed to be the whole aim of the EU - to make us all EQUAL.

Really?

Well how come lots of businesses, factories and farming transferred from Germany, France, UK, only to be relocated to places like Poland, Czechia, Estonia, Romania, etc ? where labour is much much cheaper, land is much cheaper, planning much less strict, health & safety not enforced, - WHEN WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE EQUAL INSIDE THE EU. -

BOL-CKS EH !!!!

I was in Malta last month and couldn’t believe the amount of building work that’s going on there,I was talking to a taxi driver and he was saying about when they had the vote to join us in the eu, he said he voted against it as he wanted to stay as he was but he said it’s the best thing that’s ever happened to his country now he said there’s no unemployment and he earns a good wage and everything’s looking rosy, So like its said the poorer countries are benefiting, but it’s our money there benefiting from



spot on...
all that nonsense about the figure on the bus and the NHS...
does it matter where its spent as long as its here that its being spent...


I am not sure why the UK population have to work additional years before they have access to their state pension while many of these countries being helped by our contributions are able to retire far earlier. If they are to become richer, does it make sense to have the population contributing to the wealth of the country by working fewer years which means that they are being paid from the pension pot for many more years. Not sure how this works. Our government have calculated that things needed to change here with more people taking money from the pot as life expectancy increases, and you would assume countries like Malta would take similar measures. Perhaps they will all have to take stock of things now one of their biggest contributors are going to be trying to put their own house in order rather than being instructed as to how their own funds can be spent.



To be fair most of the countries pay vastly more contributions into the state pension than we do in the uk Take Germany it is 19% of salary France very similar . We just don’t pay enough into pensions at state level We also have employers pensions scheme which most eu countries don’t It just different systems

Re: You had Brexit we got Spaxit As Spain threatens to pull

Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:58 pm

Milkybarkid wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
dogfound wrote:
casa gil wrote:
powysblue wrote:Here is just one personal example of how the EU has benefited massively the Poorer countries within the Euro Club.

And why would they want to leave something that has changed their fortunes on a massive scale. Not to mention all the so called politicians collecting their "Gravy Train" wages from Brussels and Strasbourg.

In the early 1980's in the last throws of British military Influence in Malta, after Mr Mintoff, F-cked us off, I was stationed near Valletta. Believe me when I tell you that it was a shithole of a place with friendly people and a happy place to be.

I left the Military at the end of the 1980's and Civvy Street awaited. marriage , Kids, Etc.

Returned on holiday to Valletta in 2012 and Could not believe my eyes how much this friendly shitehole had changed - People still as friendly as ever but WEALTH, INFRASTRUCTURE, My God - the centre of Valletta was like a modern Glass structured city, akin any top European modern city.

Malta Only Joined the EU in 2004 but it has benefited them Massively !

So, the EU has been More than Brilliant for them and they have certainly sucked as much as they could out of it - Good luck to them BUT How many other countries now in the EU have massively benefited out of the "so called" Richer EU nations ?

I say that all seems great on the face of it - that everyone is a winner - and every country is on an equal footing in Europe. Afterall that was supposed to be the whole aim of the EU - to make us all EQUAL.

Really?

Well how come lots of businesses, factories and farming transferred from Germany, France, UK, only to be relocated to places like Poland, Czechia, Estonia, Romania, etc ? where labour is much much cheaper, land is much cheaper, planning much less strict, health & safety not enforced, - WHEN WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE EQUAL INSIDE THE EU. -

BOL-CKS EH !!!!

I was in Malta last month and couldn’t believe the amount of building work that’s going on there,I was talking to a taxi driver and he was saying about when they had the vote to join us in the eu, he said he voted against it as he wanted to stay as he was but he said it’s the best thing that’s ever happened to his country now he said there’s no unemployment and he earns a good wage and everything’s looking rosy, So like its said the poorer countries are benefiting, but it’s our money there benefiting from



spot on...
all that nonsense about the figure on the bus and the NHS...
does it matter where its spent as long as its here that its being spent...


I am not sure why the UK population have to work additional years before they have access to their state pension while many of these countries being helped by our contributions are able to retire far earlier. If they are to become richer, does it make sense to have the population contributing to the wealth of the country by working fewer years which means that they are being paid from the pension pot for many more years. Not sure how this works. Our government have calculated that things needed to change here with more people taking money from the pot as life expectancy increases, and you would assume countries like Malta would take similar measures. Perhaps they will all have to take stock of things now one of their biggest contributors are going to be trying to put their own house in order rather than being instructed as to how their own funds can be spent.



To be fair most of the countries pay vastly more contributions into the state pension than we do in the uk Take Germany it is 19% of salary France very similar . We just don’t pay enough into pensions at state level We also have employers pensions scheme which most eu countries don’t It just different systems



Unfortunately our pension schemes have been raided by governments for a very long time they thought the nest t egg of couple billion was to much so decided we'll have some of that but like most govmts they got greedy and took out far to much hence you get situation where there is no money in pot to pay the pensions of people who are living longer so more of a drain on funds ! Only safe pension is like mine a gvmnt one.