Will you ever listen/learn?

I remember being slated and called a troll when I told you all that the perfect time to part ways with Warnock was upon relegation. I explained in great detail why.

I said that this was a perfect time to put a marker in the sand for what was looking like a tactic (Warnock ball) becoming more obsolete as the overspill of talent from the player hoarding in the PL was filtering down. I said that there will never be a better time to restructure the playing staff and build an identity the club is clearly crying out for than the relegation pre season with players being moved on and players needing to be brought in naturally anyway. I also said that Warnock announcing it was his last year will make players not respond well as there is no long term consequences to poor performance or lack of effort. Even if it’s subconscious, effort won’t be at usual standards just like any other workplace in a similar scenario. That last point particularly was met with great annoyance and probably ended with yet another ban (for just being sensible and correct, which my trusty friend old Father Time always does and proves my points for me).

Now each one of those points seems to be recognised by the masses and discussed on here as if the mainstream opinion. To add to this, I said if Warnock was relieved of his duties halfway through the season, the lack of foresight seen by not changing him in pre season - would only lead to a like for like replacement (and actually predicted Harris would be the man) which won’t help anything as the squad will be geared towards that outdated style meaning it just continues. Not only that, but key transfer funds used by Warnock to continue his style in the knowledge that the longest he would be staying was for another 9 months will hamstring the club not not be able to transition easily. Again this was met with furious responses and all the name calling and personal remarks under the sun... and yep, probably ended up in yet another ban...

Now I have a quick scan of the forum and see people moaning about that exact scenario, a like for like replacement in the managerial department and not much changing.

This happens year after year. Whilst the regularity and consistency of this is amusing, it’s equally bemusing how begrudging and hostile people continue to be towards posts that are quite clearly absolutely sensible with a track record that speaks for itself. There is a saying that “you can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink”, I can only help so much.

Just wanted to point that out.

(I will await yet more furious responses by the same old crew, or even the subsequent frustrated banning/deleting... but we will all know deep down that I was right again, not that anyone would ever want to admit it).

Hindsite is a great thing

If you could possibly show proof by finding where and when you said all these things by copying and pasting them in this thread that would be great.

Hindsite is a great thing

If you could possibly show proof by finding where and when you said all these things by copying and pasting them in this thread that would be great.

No hindsight required at all, I said them very much at the time (as always), it just needs a modicum of foresight and a bit of footballing and business knowledge.

Finding them will be a needle in a haystack though considering every time I post something of that ilk I get banned. But I will give it a shot.

''You are where you are because there is no long term plan in place. No identity, no blueprint and no continuation.

Every time you get a new manager then it is a a blank page and a re-boot.

I have been telling you for years, you need to find an identity that the whole club are comfortable with and sick to it and work towards it. Every player purchase, every manager appointment, every coach and every youth team adopts that policy and it becomes the way the club is.

When Warnock goes then the new manager, whoever it may be, is faced with a fanbase seemingly ready to move away from the current style yet inherits a squad of oversized hoofballers. This means any change is expensive, a logistical nightmare with shipping everyone off and makes implementing the style seamlessly an impossible short term task.

You need a vision, direction, patience, commitment and persistence. Without that, in 2 years time you will be having the same conversation.''

Sept 6th:-

I have always praised Warnock and openly said his record is fantastic. But I have also said that the lack of succession plan meant that this year will be an odd one, the club is almost in limbo in between plans. It will be looked upon as a wasted year when a clean break and the best opportunity to build a fresh was available. The Championship used to reward physicality, it doesn't anymore, its a very technical league and Warnock's tactics are outdated. It was poor foresight from the club in my opinion.

''IF... the news is correct (regarding Warnock). Then all signs point to Harris.

- (Financial) - With the Sala case looking to go Nantes’ way, I don’t imagine the club will be wanting to pay compensation for a new manager who will have some negotiation power with salary due to current position.

- (Logistics) - A manager is needed pretty soon and negotiations between 3 parties (Bowyer, Charlton and Cardiff) is often much harder and longer than negotiations between 2 (one of which is unattached).

- (Compatibility) - The current squad has been assembled to Warnocks physical, long ball style. Overhauling that in January is unlikely, in fact overhauling that in 2 or 3 windows is unlikely. Meaning any manager coming in will need to fit the skill set of the squad at hand. That points to Harris, who is a younger version of Warnock in style.''

6th Sept

''I can't understand why he stayed on other than to pick up his pay, certainly makes no sense for the good of the club.

He has said he is off next season for sure, so Tan correctly didn't give him heaps of money to play with as the players he brought in may not be wanted next year when the new guy comes in. None of the players are playing for their future either as they know whatever happens, it's a fresh slate next season. Seems a wasted year to me.

But no doubt this opinion is completely shocking and only exists to wind you up... right?''

With all due respect, your claim that Warnock should have been sacked when relegation was looming last season was a mere prediction. Yes, you had sufficient evidence to back it up and yes, your prediction was a good one. However I think there were also two reasons why we didn’t do so.

Firstly, there was a degree of respect. Arguably, we could have stayed in the Premiership last season, although luck worked in our favour at times, there were also other times where we had absolutely no luck whatsoever. We didn’t do terribly in the Premiership and for me, personally, I found last season thoroughly enjoyable and excitable. I think the board were hoping for a ‘Sean Dyche’ time where they stick with their manager and he guides them back up. Warnock is a manager who has succeeded in what no other manager has ever done in his promotion record. But did he inherit a club that was in form and stable? No, he pulled us out of the relegation zone within the Championship and united the club in various ways:
1) Points accumulation
2) Quality of the squad
3) Fan cohesion
4) Squad cohesion
5) Staff relationships
And there was also a degree of integrity within this respect. Cardiff as a club (for at least as long as I’ve followed them) have not sacked any managers until they see they have no option. Dave Jones was not getting us anywhere, Malky had issues with the board (possibly a grey area), Solskjaer was awful, Slade was ok but not good enough and Trollope terrible. But we gave each of these managers a sufficient time period to prove themselves. If we had sacked Warnock at the end of the season when he had hoped to stay another year, where is that integrity which most modern football clubs appear to lack?

Secondly, I believe the club find greater difficulty in sacking a manager, constructing short term, medium term and long term plans, then to bring in a manager who can accompany these goals. There was a post on here not long ago speaking of how difficult it can be to attract players to Cardiff because of its location. Maybe this applies to managers too, I don’t know, but it certainly makes the job more difficult for the manager if he can’t sign the players to fulfil his goals. On top of that, we have an owner who (with all due respect) hasn’t got a football mind. Yet he is still competing in the second division, and occasionally the hardest league in the world. On top of that, we are still in debt, we are facing a legal battle over the Emiliano Sala case and we have a huge squad with a fairly high percentage of players regarded as ‘dead wood’.

If at the beginning of the season, you looked at all the available managers out there but then realised that you already have a manager who has a record number of promotions. Seeing as we would save time, money and integrity, I probably would have stayed with him too. I understand your argument completely but I’m just saying although it was arguably the wrong call to stay with him, it isn’t as black and white as it may seem.

With all due respect, your claim that Warnock should have been sacked when relegation was looming last season was a mere prediction. Yes, you had sufficient evidence to back it up and yes, your prediction was a good one. However I think there were also two reasons why we didn’t do so.

Firstly, there was a degree of respect. Arguably, we could have stayed in the Premiership last season, although luck worked in our favour at times, there were also other times where we had absolutely no luck whatsoever. We didn’t do terribly in the Premiership and for me, personally, I found last season thoroughly enjoyable and excitable. I think the board were hoping for a ‘Sean Dyche’ time where they stick with their manager and he guides them back up. Warnock is a manager who has succeeded in what no other manager has ever done in his promotion record. But did he inherit a club that was in form and stable? No, he pulled us out of the relegation zone within the Championship and united the club in various ways:
1) Points accumulation
2) Quality of the squad
3) Fan cohesion
4) Squad cohesion
5) Staff relationships
And there was also a degree of integrity within this respect. Cardiff as a club (for at least as long as I’ve followed them) have not sacked any managers until they see they have no option. Dave Jones was not getting us anywhere, Malky had issues with the board (possibly a grey area), Solskjaer was awful, Slade was ok but not good enough and Trollope terrible. But we gave each of these managers a sufficient time period to prove themselves. If we had sacked Warnock at the end of the season when he had hoped to stay another year, where is that integrity which most modern football clubs appear to lack?

Secondly, I believe the club find greater difficulty in sacking a manager, constructing short term, medium term and long term plans, then to bring in a manager who can accompany these goals. There was a post on here not long ago speaking of how difficult it can be to attract players to Cardiff because of its location. Maybe this applies to managers too, I don’t know, but it certainly makes the job more difficult for the manager if he can’t sign the players to fulfil his goals. On top of that, we have an owner who (with all due respect) hasn’t got a football mind. Yet he is still competing in the second division, and occasionally the hardest league in the world. On top of that, we are still in debt, we are facing a legal battle over the Emiliano Sala case and we have a huge squad with a fairly high percentage of players regarded as ‘dead wood’.

If at the beginning of the season, you looked at all the available managers out there but then realised that you already have a manager who has a record number of promotions. Seeing as we would save time, money and integrity, I probably would have stayed with him too. I understand your argument completely but I’m just saying although it was arguably the wrong call to stay with him, it isn’t as black and white as it may seem.

Fair response, however a small point, It wasn't a prediction as you say. I had no inkling one way or another what the club would do. I just knew what they SHOULD have done and said it countless times, these posts here are the tip of the iceberg. I actually made the point last season that this should be the plan and the consequences of not doing so. But that thread may well have been deleted since as these views, as I said, are never taken very well at the time and only months down the line do people then realise they agree afterall.

Hindsight is not necessary. It was pretty obvious that Warnock should have been persuaded to retire after our relegation was confirmed with him being guaranteed of a proper send off at CCS rather than having the memory of him resigning after losing to Bristol City and him slipping away in the night so to speak.

His disastrous summer transfer purchases and failure to shift dead wood almost ensured a mediocre season.

And City would have had a new manager and a new start but we are where we are now.

It's back to give us some xmas cheer thought it was a bit to quiet!

It's back to give us some xmas cheer thought it was a bit to quiet!

They say he is banned then make him a sticky

Couldn’t agree more with the post. I like you called to replace NW after promotion but would caveat that with, I think we were unlucky to some extent when we got relegated. However, when NW left I was hoping for a manager along the lines of Gerrard, Lampard and would have gone for Bellamy. I know some of you don’t like that but look at the fact that a premier league legend has taken him to Anderlecht so there is trust in Bellamy that seems lacking with some posters on here. I believe it will take 3/4 transfer windows to sort out a bloated and poor quality squad that lacks pace and creativity with players uncomfortable on the ball. I will say I am happy with some of what I’m hearing from NH then bemused by other quotes. I think we need to get rid of at least 12/15 players, bring in 6 quality players with pace which would give us 20 senior pros topped up with under 18/23 players. Over to you NH, VT, MD and CH.

It's back to give us some xmas cheer thought it was a bit to quiet!

They say he is banned then make him a sticky

Then maybe, just maybe someone is starting to see sense.

The OP's quite right,there are some dickheads on here but by far the worst are the patronising "I told you so brigade".

The OP's quite right,there are some dickheads on here but by far the worst are the patronising "I told you so brigade".

The “I told you so” brigade would not be a thing if people (or dickheads as you call them) were respectful in the first place and people were allowed to express ultimately correct views without having to deal with abuse, bannings and all the rest of the nonsense that goes on when people don’t like a certain post.

Give me the ones that are able to put sensible thoughts on the forum and be able to revisit them after reams of unjustified abuse any day over those that create false realities and abuse anything that threatens it.. because at least with the first option we get some actual real, thoughtful and informed football posts out of it.

I haven’t read any of this thread because your opinion is worthless to me and most people on this board.

Your about as useful as the sprouts on my Xmas dinner.

Do you want a medal?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, bore off you tool !

The problem with getting rid of Warnock at the end of our premier league season is that there is no better manager at getting teams promoted from the championship than Warnock. I thought his pre seasons signings looked ok (Flint apart) but somehow it has not worked out. Have to say Harris is looking more and more like Warnocks mini me as time goes on. Thought we looked awful yesterday. How hard is it to get players who can actually pass a ball to a player in the same team even Barnsley can manage it.

We are just going to have to accept that this is going to be a nothing season and hope that Harris can turn it around in a couple of transfer windows. He will have to do it on the cheap too with the Sala thing hanging over us.

It's back to give us some xmas cheer thought it was a bit to quiet!

They say he is banned then make him a sticky

Then maybe, just maybe someone is starting to see sense.

Your having a laugh! If memory serves me right this is not 1st time you've put out this same self righteous crap on here regarding NW ..... you are the biggest "richard cranium" ever to come on here bar none.... shame we havent got a smiley (know it all figure) you be famous in your own mind....

'T'is the season to be jolly. Complements of the season to everyone!!!!

This has been done to death, I never wantedWarnock as manager, not a fan of his football or signings no matter how much I like him as a bloke. I was glad to see him gone , should have been a lot sooner, but let us put this to bed and start looking forward chaps.

It’s Harris and the squad Warnock left him should be the focus of our threads

It's back to give us some xmas cheer thought it was a bit to quiet!

They say he is banned then make him a sticky

it is what it is...

Do you want a medal?

I think he wants a few biscuits and a pat on the head.

It's back to give us some xmas cheer thought it was a bit to quiet!

They say he is banned then make him a sticky

it is what it is...

Yes like an itch you cannot reach so suffer until it goes away all be it temporarily

No biscuits or medals required.

I’m more than happy just pointing it out. It vindicates all that I have said for months in the face of staunch backlash, bannings and personal remarks. The more you understand that I call things right the more people will stop the nonsense every time I post a thoughtful view for the fear of having to face reality down the line. Maybe, just maybe, the forum will then improve.

But as I said early on in the gambit, you can take a horse to water...

No biscuits or medals required.

I’m more than happy just pointing it out. It vindicates all that I have said for months in the face of staunch backlash, bannings and personal remarks. The more you understand that I call things right the more people will stop the nonsense every time I post a thoughtful view for the fear of having to face reality down the line. Maybe, just maybe, the forum will then improve.

But as I said early on in the gambit, you can take a horse to water...

"Feed The Horses " - Feed The Horses "

No biscuits or medals required.

I’m more than happy just pointing it out. It vindicates all that I have said for months in the face of staunch backlash, bannings and personal remarks. The more you understand that I call things right the more people will stop the nonsense every time I post a thoughtful view for the fear of having to face reality down the line. Maybe, just maybe, the forum will then improve.

But as I said early on in the gambit, you can take a horse to water...

"Feed The Horses " - Feed The Horses "

... kind of

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, bore off you tool !

Well this broken clock has the ability to be proven correct almost every single time.

Even regarding the Sala saga, I was banned and called a troll for that. I called it right every step of the way and explained in great detail why.