Clear out needed and harris needs time

Neil Harris wasnt my choice to be manager but tbf has made a reasonable start with a team he has assembled. A huge clear out needs to start in January and finished next summer. Harris deserves time to mould his own team before he is judged. Seeing messages from fans saying he isn't good enough and football is boring isnt fair at this early stage.

If top of my head the following players need to leave

Paterson
Connolly
Richard's
Peltier
Flint
Smithies
Day
Murphy
Madine
Ward
Glatzel

No doubt a few others I have forgotten

Will he have 2 transfer windows?

I would have thought so he was given 3.5 year contract. If no progress in 12 months time he might be in trouble then

Need to give the new Scout a chance.. see how that goes.

I was thinking more of the sala fee and repurcussions if we lose the case

Neil Harris wasnt my choice to be manager but tbf has made a reasonable start with a team he has assembled. A huge clear out needs to start in January and finished next summer. Harris deserves time to mould his own team before he is judged. Seeing messages from fans saying he isn't good enough and football is boring isnt fair at this early stage.

If top of my head the following players need to leave

Paterson
Connolly
Richard's
Peltier
Flint
Smithies
Day
Murphy
Madine
Ward
Glatzel

No doubt a few others I have forgotten

We'd be lucky to get anything over £5m in total for the players you've mentioned.

Yeah, because getting rid of most the squad will do wonders for team chemistry

Clear out needed if we want to proceed but that includes Harris for me. He's a poor choice, playing the same way, no plan, odd selections from time to time. He isn't the answer if we wanted to progress from Warnock.

Neil Harris wasnt my choice to be manager but tbf has made a reasonable start with a team he has assembled. A huge clear out needs to start in January and finished next summer. Harris deserves time to mould his own team before he is judged. Seeing messages from fans saying he isn't good enough and football is boring isnt fair at this early stage.

If top of my head the following players need to leave

Paterson
Connolly
Richard's
Peltier
Flint
Smithies
Day
Murphy
Madine
Ward
Glatzel

No doubt a few others I have forgotten

too many changes is exactly the reason we are not top 6 now...
and continuity was a massive contributor to being promoted..

Neil Harris wasnt my choice to be manager but tbf has made a reasonable start with a team he has assembled. A huge clear out needs to start in January and finished next summer. Harris deserves time to mould his own team before he is judged. Seeing messages from fans saying he isn't good enough and football is boring isnt fair at this early stage.

If top of my head the following players need to leave

Paterson
Connolly
Richard's
Peltier
Flint
Smithies
Day
Murphy
Madine
Ward
Glatzel

No doubt a few others I have forgotten

too many changes is exactly the reason we are not top 6 now...
and continuity was a massive contributor to being promoted..

Luckily Warnock had a very good core of players and built on it with cheaper players looking to prove themselves.

I have no idea what last summer was other than a complete mess and against everything that worked previously.

Warnock knows how to save rather than build imo.

Harris I'm not sure what he's good at yet.

Neil Harris wasnt my choice to be manager but tbf has made a reasonable start with a team he has assembled. A huge clear out needs to start in January and finished next summer. Harris deserves time to mould his own team before he is judged. Seeing messages from fans saying he isn't good enough and football is boring isnt fair at this early stage.

If top of my head the following players need to leave

Paterson
Connolly
Richard's
Peltier
Flint
Smithies
Day
Murphy
Madine
Ward
Glatzel

No doubt a few others I have forgotten

too many changes is exactly the reason we are not top 6 now...
and continuity was a massive contributor to being promoted..

Luckily Warnock had a very good core of players and built on it with cheaper players looking to prove themselves.

I have no idea what last summer was other than a complete mess and against everything that worked previously.

Warnock knows how to save rather than build imo.

Harris I'm not sure what he's good at yet.

Don't agree with a few o your list,yes we need to offload the deadwood,not of Harris's doing as he inherited the squad,I'm prepared to give Harris time on them grounds alone,7 games and 1 defeat is hardly a poor return.

Neil Harris wasnt my choice to be manager but tbf has made a reasonable start with a team he has assembled. A huge clear out needs to start in January and finished next summer. Harris deserves time to mould his own team before he is judged. Seeing messages from fans saying he isn't good enough and football is boring isnt fair at this early stage.

If top of my head the following players need to leave

Paterson
Connolly
Richard's
Peltier
Flint
Smithies
Day
Murphy
Madine
Ward
Glatzel

No doubt a few others I have forgotten

too many changes is exactly the reason we are not top 6 now...
and continuity was a massive contributor to being promoted..

Luckily Warnock had a very good core of players and built on it with cheaper players looking to prove themselves.

I have no idea what last summer was other than a complete mess and against everything that worked previously.

Warnock knows how to save rather than build imo.

Harris I'm not sure what he's good at yet.

what do you mean you don't know what last summer was about...we lost a load of players who had been major contributors without being able to do a great deal about it...and bring replacements in which is always a gamble ..its not wave a magic wand and suddenly cheaper replacements become as good or better than what you've lost.. im sure had we still had arter, camarasa, gunner, reid, manga and a fit sol we would be further up the table..the idea you can just lose them and continue un effected is not reasonable..

Roll on Jan .

Small matter of players contracts will hamper any clear out. Added to which they are on good contracts and won't willingly leave unless their terms are matched by other clubs.

Some realism required. The debate should be who is played not who goes.

Flint and Glatzel big money signings no doubt on good money. It pains me, but they are going to be available for selection for some while yet. As will be Vassell and Bogle.

I fear there are not many on that list whose contracts don't have next season too.

It's fairly evident to me that Harris was picked because he wouldn't be asking for ten new players. The direction is clear even if we don't like it.

Best we can hope for come January in my opinion is a chance to pick up some quality PL club youngsters on loan. Sir Neil wasn't trusted by PL clubs in this regard but hopefully harris will be.

Neil Harris wasnt my choice to be manager but tbf has made a reasonable start with a team he has assembled. A huge clear out needs to start in January and finished next summer. Harris deserves time to mould his own team before he is judged. Seeing messages from fans saying he isn't good enough and football is boring isnt fair at this early stage.

If top of my head the following players need to leave

Paterson
Connolly
Richard's
Peltier
Flint
Smithies
Day
Murphy
Madine
Ward
Glatzel

No doubt a few others I have forgotten

too many changes is exactly the reason we are not top 6 now...
and continuity was a massive contributor to being promoted..

Luckily Warnock had a very good core of players and built on it with cheaper players looking to prove themselves.

I have no idea what last summer was other than a complete mess and against everything that worked previously.

Warnock knows how to save rather than build imo.

Harris I'm not sure what he's good at yet.

what do you mean you don't know what last summer was about...we lost a load of players who had been major contributors without being able to do a great deal about it...and bring replacements in which is always a gamble ..its not wave a magic wand and suddenly cheaper replacements become as good or better than what you've lost.. im sure had we still had arter, camarasa, gunner, reid, manga and a fit sol we would be further up the table..the idea you can just lose them and continue un effected is not reasonable..

On the plus side, at least we don't still have Niasse.

I think the frustration comes from the circumstances of those departed all of which were known and the replacements being a shadow of those gone. Its not like last day of the window some club buys our star man with no time to replace. Club knew Gunnar and Bruno were going and loans ending and Sol out.

Whichever way its looked at our last three windows have done nothing for the clubs future. Murphy and Reid so called future buys, one left and the other might as well have left from performances he's producing. Only Nelson looks like he might be a bright light.

I would try and move on

Etheridge
Connolly
Richard's
Murphy
Madine
Glatzel
Bogle

I doubt anybody will pay for or match the wages we pay for Glatzel, Madine or Murphy so I guess they will stay guess loaned out.

Etheridge is not as good as Smithies in my opinion so if we can get a few million for him then that could be used to boost our squad

Will anybody want a sicknote like Richard's? I doubt it

Connolly will go to a championship club easily

Clear out needed if we want to proceed but that includes Harris for me. He's a poor choice, playing the same way, no plan, odd selections from time to time. He isn't the answer if we wanted to progress from Warnock.

Luke and I rarely agree, but for me your Spot on

He has a good enough squad that will always keep us up and virtually guarantee and that’s as far as Harris would take us in my opinion and for me he is a very good League 1 Manager.
Millwall fans say virtually the same.

Neil Harris wasnt my choice to be manager but tbf has made a reasonable start with a team he has assembled. A huge clear out needs to start in January and finished next summer. Harris deserves time to mould his own team before he is judged. Seeing messages from fans saying he isn't good enough and football is boring isnt fair at this early stage.

If top of my head the following players need to leave

Paterson
Connolly
Richard's
Peltier
Flint
Smithies
Day
Murphy
Madine
Ward
Glatzel

No doubt a few others I have forgotten

too many changes is exactly the reason we are not top 6 now...
and continuity was a massive contributor to being promoted..

Luckily Warnock had a very good core of players and built on it with cheaper players looking to prove themselves.

I have no idea what last summer was other than a complete mess and against everything that worked previously.

Warnock knows how to save rather than build imo.

Harris I'm not sure what he's good at yet.

what do you mean you don't know what last summer was about...we lost a load of players who had been major contributors without being able to do a great deal about it...and bring replacements in which is always a gamble ..its not wave a magic wand and suddenly cheaper replacements become as good or better than what you've lost.. im sure had we still had arter, camarasa, gunner, reid, manga and a fit sol we would be further up the table..the idea you can just lose them and continue un effected is not reasonable..

On the plus side, at least we don't still have Niasse.

I think the frustration comes from the circumstances of those departed all of which were known and the replacements being a shadow of those gone. Its not like last day of the window some club buys our star man with no time to replace. Club knew Gunnar and Bruno were going and loans ending and Sol out.

Whichever way its looked at our last three windows have done nothing for the clubs future. Murphy and Reid so called future buys, one left and the other might as well have left from performances he's producing. Only Nelson looks like he might be a bright light.

to replace like for like would have taken considerably more dosh...which it seems we were not prepared to pay...
your right about it not being any great surprise when loans and contracts end but I was responding to the save not build bit...you can not build under those circumstances..should this side make the play offs and go up..then next summer its buy 2 10 mill championship players another 2 cheapies.. and loan 3 we will struggle big time...if relegated you lose the loans plus one of the 10 mill guys..plus 3 of the better long term performers...you need a flaming magician to build on that..you have to start from scratch finding what partnerships work. on team togetherness/spirit.. and a lot of purchases just never work,at all clubs...

It's fairly evident to me that Harris was picked because he wouldn't be asking for ten new players. The direction is clear even if we don't like it.

Best we can hope for come January in my opinion is a chance to pick up some quality PL club youngsters on loan. Sir Neil wasn't trusted by PL clubs in this regard but hopefully harris will be.

As the style of play under Harris is no different from that under Warnock I can't see many PL managers rushing to loan out their promising youngsters to us I'm afraid.

Clubs like Brentford not only have a geographical advantage when it comes to attracting young players on loan but their football is more in line with the way most teams play nowadays.

It's fairly evident to me that Harris was picked because he wouldn't be asking for ten new players. The direction is clear even if we don't like it.

Best we can hope for come January in my opinion is a chance to pick up some quality PL club youngsters on loan. Sir Neil wasn't trusted by PL clubs in this regard but hopefully harris will be.

As the style of play under Harris is no different from that under Warnock I can't see many PL managers rushing to loan out their promising youngsters to us I'm afraid.

Clubs like Brentford not only have a geographical advantage when it comes to attracting young players on loan but their football is more in line with the way most teams play nowadays.

Clubs are more reluctant to loan their players out unless there is clause about appearances? This is not good for player moral who get dropped, and yes we do suffer from style play when it comes to loans which generally means expensive unwanted players like arta are the only ones coming to us..

Neil Harris wasnt my choice to be manager but tbf has made a reasonable start with a team he has assembled. A huge clear out needs to start in January and finished next summer. Harris deserves time to mould his own team before he is judged. Seeing messages from fans saying he isn't good enough and football is boring isnt fair at this early stage.

If top of my head the following players need to leave

Paterson
Connolly
Richard's
Peltier
Flint
Smithies
Day
Murphy
Madine
Ward
Glatzel

No doubt a few others I have forgotten

too many changes is exactly the reason we are not top 6 now...
and continuity was a massive contributor to being promoted..

Luckily Warnock had a very good core of players and built on it with cheaper players looking to prove themselves.

I have no idea what last summer was other than a complete mess and against everything that worked previously.

Warnock knows how to save rather than build imo.

Harris I'm not sure what he's good at yet.

what do you mean you don't know what last summer was about...we lost a load of players who had been major contributors without being able to do a great deal about it...and bring replacements in which is always a gamble ..its not wave a magic wand and suddenly cheaper replacements become as good or better than what you've lost.. im sure had we still had arter, camarasa, gunner, reid, manga and a fit sol we would be further up the table..the idea you can just lose them and continue un effected is not reasonable..

At the end of the day its his job to get replacements. We have ended up with a terribly unbalanced squad.

Although i have doubts in Harris, he is our man, so must be given time to shape the team and squad.

This upcoming window is known as a sellers market, so if we are to get any value I believe all our players need to be available.

We have enough to stay up so selling two, three or even four from Morrison,Flint, Sol,Bacuna,Ralls,Pack,Vaulks,Murphy,NML,Holliet, Glatzel,Madine, Ward, Whyte, Tomlin, Etheridge or Smithies (although not both) won't be a bad thing.

I am surprised if we are really in for the Spanish winger, I doubt we'll get any in. We need to see if any of our kids are any good

Neil Harris wasnt my choice to be manager but tbf has made a reasonable start with a team he has assembled. A huge clear out needs to start in January and finished next summer. Harris deserves time to mould his own team before he is judged. Seeing messages from fans saying he isn't good enough and football is boring isnt fair at this early stage.

If top of my head the following players need to leave

Paterson
Connolly
Richard's
Peltier
Flint
Smithies
Day
Murphy
Madine
Ward
Glatzel

No doubt a few others I have forgotten

too many changes is exactly the reason we are not top 6 now...
and continuity was a massive contributor to being promoted..

Luckily Warnock had a very good core of players and built on it with cheaper players looking to prove themselves.

I have no idea what last summer was other than a complete mess and against everything that worked previously.

Warnock knows how to save rather than build imo.

Harris I'm not sure what he's good at yet.

what do you mean you don't know what last summer was about...we lost a load of players who had been major contributors without being able to do a great deal about it...and bring replacements in which is always a gamble ..its not wave a magic wand and suddenly cheaper replacements become as good or better than what you've lost.. im sure had we still had arter, camarasa, gunner, reid, manga and a fit sol we would be further up the table..the idea you can just lose them and continue un effected is not reasonable..

At the end of the day its his job to get replacements. We have ended up with a terribly unbalanced squad.

he did get replacements...and yes the unbalanced squad cliché....but have used them all.

And Bogle and Bamba can be added to the list.

Small matter of players contracts will hamper any clear out. Added to which they are on good contracts and won't willingly leave unless their terms are matched by other clubs.

Some realism required. The debate should be who is played not who goes.

Flint and Glatzel big money signings no doubt on good money. It pains me, but they are going to be available for selection for some while yet. As will be Vassell and Bogle.

I fear there are not many on that list whose contracts don't have next season too.

thiats is how I see it. we will apparently lose b.murphy and traore and maybe a couple out on loan.. I don't quite understand these long unrealistic lists especially when written by people who have followed football for years and by now should be understanding how contracts work...

Roll On Jan ....

Small matter of players contracts will hamper any clear out. Added to which they are on good contracts and won't willingly leave unless their terms are matched by other clubs.

Some realism required. The debate should be who is played not who goes.

Flint and Glatzel big money signings no doubt on good money. It pains me, but they are going to be available for selection for some while yet. As will be Vassell and Bogle.

I fear there are not many on that list whose contracts don't have next season too.

You saved me replying. My thoughts exactly.

Neil Harris wasnt my choice to be manager but tbf has made a reasonable start with a team he has assembled. A huge clear out needs to start in January and finished next summer. Harris deserves time to mould his own team before he is judged. Seeing messages from fans saying he isn't good enough and football is boring isnt fair at this early stage.

If top of my head the following players need to leave

Paterson
Connolly
Richard's
Peltier
Flint
Smithies
Day
Murphy
Madine
Ward
Glatzel

No doubt a few others I have forgotten

It’s not just a simple case of getting rid of players. Apart from Day, Connolly and Jazz, everyone else has played a fair amount of games this season. We don’t have the cash to replace all those players. Realistically the only people on that list who will be leaving in January are Smithies and Murphy. Think Bogle is another player who will be going out. Maybe Coxe and Brown going out on loan if Harris can bring in cover.

Bit hard to judge Harris at the moment because this isn’t his squad. He inherited a team completely lacking in pace and quality and completely changing the way we play in the time he’s been here was always going to be unrealistic. Changing that will take time. Lose a few in January and bring 1 or 2 in. Lose a few out of contract players in the summer and bring in a few more.