Time for VAR post!

Seen couple of var incidents and it is slowly taking over the game 1st one was psg and real.... Real awarded pen but var checked for a foul 50yds away in build up and gave a foul! Since when did var check for fouls outside area its not in the protocol.... 2nd offside is now solely var decision spurs game today lino flagged offside 40yds out spurs players ignored as ref didnt blow whistle kane went down under challenge (as he does) var looked at possible pen So now what is lino for if players and refs just going to ignore him?

Never wanted it and my feelings haven't changed.

When the ball hits the net, I don't really want to wait two minutes before I know if it's worth celebrating or not, especially when they still get it wrong. Just as well let the ref take a wild guess as someone sitting miles away in front of a monitor.

When the ball hits the net, I don't really want to wait two minutes before I know if it's worth celebrating or not, especially when they still get it wrong. Just as well let the ref take a wild guess as someone sitting miles away in front of a monitor.

ITS suppose to assist officials not take over their jobs? The 2 incidents I highlighted is just tip of what it is doing! It will start to go back further into build up of goals and then real confusion.... just not sure whats happened to protocol it was suppose to be operating under because it seems to have been dropped rather quickly...

VAR Is Here To Stay In British Football No Matter What, Im Glad Its Not In The EFL Because There Would Be More Uncertainty In Decisions. IF VAR Was In Place Last Season We Probably Would Of Survived.

VAR Is Here To Stay In British Football No Matter What, Im Glad Its Not In The EFL Because There Would Be More Uncertainty In Decisions. IF VAR Was In Place Last Season We Probably Would Of Survived.

That's probably only based on chelsea game other games we may have been on wrong end of var ? It's more or less done away with linesman and referee is controlled by var officials 200miles away from game! But like you say its here to stay unfortunately... and instead of debating refs mistakes we are debating someone making decision not on pitch

It’s pointless linesmen raising their flags for offside now, as play continues just in case the linesman is wrong. What happened to VAR being used ONLY when a clear and obvious error is made? Every goal in the Premiership now gets checked by VAR just in case an attackers toe nail is just ahead of the last man. The disallowed Sheffield United goal against Spurs recently was a disgrace! I think our goal against Chelsea should be VAR checked as that’s a clear and obvious error, but anything else should be left for the officials. Linesmen aren’t currently needed for offsides with VAR, they’re only needed to give throw ins and the amount of pauses and disruptions with VAR is ruining the game.

It’s pointless linesmen raising their flags for offside now, as play continues just in case the linesman is wrong. What happened to VAR being used ONLY when a clear and obvious error is made? Every goal in the Premiership now gets checked by VAR just in case an attackers toe nail is just ahead of the last man. The disallowed Sheffield United goal against Spurs recently was a disgrace! I think our goal against Chelsea should be VAR checked as that’s a clear and obvious error, but anything else should be left for the officials. Linesmen aren’t currently needed for offsides with VAR, they’re only needed to give throw ins and the amount of pauses and disruptions with VAR is ruining the game.

The refs are being sidelined more and more as well! To day again in spurs game kane goes down in area (again) ref clearly waving arms to dismiss claim of penalty but var still checked if a pen on the screen ....WHY? Ref in no doubt so var shouldn't need to look at anything god knows what eoikd been situation if var gave pen would make ref look a total tw*t and incompetent

I want no part of a game where I can’t celebrate a goal when the ball hits the net.

Absolute crock of shit and it’s ruining the sport.

This is modern football and impact of SKY/BT etc.

For years we had this in depth analysis and mega camera angles pouring through decisions during and after games highlighting errors all over. There was a clamour for video refs on the back of this constant sort of replay overkill.

Now it's here, people think it's ruining the game. I agree it is used too often and it's far too slow. However people demanded correct decisions and bemoaned the financial implications of incorrect decisions, especially last season with so many calls going against us. People continually suggested that VAR could have kept us up last season.

Careful what you wish for!!!

Players haven't helped either. Too many collapse if so much as a breath of wind touches them. They have played their part in making it harder to referee a game.

The West Ham goal that was dissalowed yesterday was absolute nonsense aswell

This is modern football and impact of SKY/BT etc.

For years we had this in depth analysis and mega camera angles pouring through decisions during and after games highlighting errors all over. There was a clamour for video refs on the back of this constant sort of replay overkill.

Now it's here, people think it's ruining the game. I agree it is used too often and it's far too slow. However people demanded correct decisions and bemoaned the financial implications of incorrect decisions, especially last season with so many calls going against us. People continually suggested that VAR could have kept us up last season.

Careful what you wish for!!!

Not sure on what basis var would have kept us up last season! Yes if you start season from chelsea game it would have but unfortunately season started 36 games earlier .... trouble is now camera does lie depending on angle you look at picture... classic yesterday sanè deemed offside by a toe nail but another picture appeared to have him onside which was right? It will come to point when team loses cup final or lose premier tital because var saw something that no one else in world saw just because he slowed picture down 5k times to spot a player being tripped by toe nail! Can imagine managers view then...

This is modern football and impact of SKY/BT etc.

For years we had this in depth analysis and mega camera angles pouring through decisions during and after games highlighting errors all over. There was a clamour for video refs on the back of this constant sort of replay overkill.

Now it's here, people think it's ruining the game. I agree it is used too often and it's far too slow. However people demanded correct decisions and bemoaned the financial implications of incorrect decisions, especially last season with so many calls going against us. People continually suggested that VAR could have kept us up last season.

Careful what you wish for!!!

Not sure on what basis var would have kept us up last season! Yes if you start season from chelsea game it would have but unfortunately season started 36 games earlier .... trouble is now camera does lie depending on angle you look at picture... classic yesterday sanè deemed offside by a toe nail but another picture appeared to have him onside which was right? It will come to point when team loses cup final or lose premier tital because var saw something that no one else in world saw just because he slowed picture down 5k times to spot a player being tripped by toe nail! Can imagine managers view then...

We could have had 36 penalties for or against, but it was stated by punters many many times.

It wont be long until they have every angle covered, they almost do already. Regardless, the media and the public wanted it. Now they don’t like it.

This is modern football and impact of SKY/BT etc.

For years we had this in depth analysis and mega camera angles pouring through decisions during and after games highlighting errors all over. There was a clamour for video refs on the back of this constant sort of replay overkill.

Now it's here, people think it's ruining the game. I agree it is used too often and it's far too slow. However people demanded correct decisions and bemoaned the financial implications of incorrect decisions, especially last season with so many calls going against us. People continually suggested that VAR could have kept us up last season.

Careful what you wish for!!!

Not sure on what basis var would have kept us up last season! Yes if you start season from chelsea game it would have but unfortunately season started 36 games earlier .... trouble is now camera does lie depending on angle you look at picture... classic yesterday sanè deemed offside by a toe nail but another picture appeared to have him onside which was right? It will come to point when team loses cup final or lose premier tital because var saw something that no one else in world saw just because he slowed picture down 5k times to spot a player being tripped by toe nail! Can imagine managers view then...

We could have had 36 penalties for or against, but it was stated by punters many many times.

It wont be long until they have every angle covered, they almost do already. Regardless, the media and the public wanted it. Now they don’t like it.

Problem managers are having with it is offside by toenails and no goal if it hits hand accidental or otherwise in buildup to goal but no pen if opposition handball it under same circumstances!! These things not in the brochure for var when sold to clubs, you can see why managers are piddled off! Now to add to problem lino is not required for offside as players and refs have decided just ignore him when he flags and rely on var at end of movement...

The sooner we get VAR the better - they just need to work on when/how it gets applied, which will improve over time.

The sooner we get VAR the better - they just need to work on when/how it gets applied, which will improve over time.

It's been in operation in europe 2 seasons and theyve not got it right yet! Real had pen overturned other day because var said there was a foul earlier in move 50yds away in other half ! since when is that part of var protocol? And since var introduced weve had law change on handball so that is added to var reviews where will it end?

The sooner we get VAR the better - they just need to work on when/how it gets applied, which will improve over time.

It's been in operation in europe 2 seasons and theyve not got it right yet! Real had pen overturned other day because var said there was a foul earlier in move 50yds away in other half ! since when is that part of var protocol? And since var introduced weve had law change on handball so that is added to var reviews where will it end?

This is why I say they need to fine tune the use of VAR - I do however strongly believe it is the future and the sooner we get it the better.

The sooner we get VAR the better - they just need to work on when/how it gets applied, which will improve over time.

It's been in operation in europe 2 seasons and theyve not got it right yet! Real had pen overturned other day because var said there was a foul earlier in move 50yds away in other half ! since when is that part of var protocol? And since var introduced weve had law change on handball so that is added to var reviews where will it end?

This is why I say they need to fine tune the use of VAR - I do however strongly believe it is the future and the sooner we get it the better.

Yes agree but one slight problem? As I've just mentioned rules changed var gets more involved and just like rugby var will creep more and more into incidents not covered by initial protocol... remember what var is supposed to be for? Well tell me where does a foul 50yrds from where a pen is given is mentioned in var protocol as a reviewable event? "Ans" it is not mentioned far from it in fact... can of worms comes to mind as far as where do you stop with var...

I was a supporter of it, and pleased when the Premier League joined the rest of Europe in bringing it in.

Theyre focusing on the right things. In other leagues they spend a long time looking at things like a push on the half way line or whether to give a player a yellow card - these aren't scandalous decisions. It's only being used on goals, penalties and red cards which is the right approach.

But there is a lot going wrong with it. A decision in one match appears to contradict a decision in another match.

I still support it because I think it will come good, but referees need a bit of time to get used to it. But I think it's lead to more correct decisions in the Premier League than last season, even if they do get a few wrong.

It's a lot worse in other countries in Europe.

One thing I would like to see Premier League referees do that they do in Europe, is look at the pitch monitor. They're the match referee and should have the final decision. The monitors are there and there have been long delays as it is, so I don't see the issue with using that function.

The sooner we get VAR the better - they just need to work on when/how it gets applied, which will improve over time.

It's been in operation in europe 2 seasons and theyve not got it right yet! Real had pen overturned other day because var said there was a foul earlier in move 50yds away in other half ! since when is that part of var protocol? And since var introduced weve had law change on handball so that is added to var reviews where will it end?

This is why I say they need to fine tune the use of VAR - I do however strongly believe it is the future and the sooner we get it the better.

you cant fine tune 2nd rate humans. if you could, why not just fine tune the 1st rate refs...
its not technology its referring the opinion of an expert to someone that's less of an expert...how is that ever going to work properly...the offsides are a joke. its not even possible to call some of the ones given....

The sooner we get VAR the better - they just need to work on when/how it gets applied, which will improve over time.

It's been in operation in europe 2 seasons and theyve not got it right yet! Real had pen overturned other day because var said there was a foul earlier in move 50yds away in other half ! since when is that part of var protocol? And since var introduced weve had law change on handball so that is added to var reviews where will it end?

This is why I say they need to fine tune the use of VAR - I do however strongly believe it is the future and the sooner we get it the better.

you cant fine tune 2nd rate humans. if you could, why not just fine tune the 1st rate refs...
its not technology its referring the opinion of an expert to someone that's less of an expert...how is that ever going to work properly...the offsides are a joke. its not even possible to call some of the ones given....

They are planning a review of offside laws to stop this stupid toenail being offside rule as at present.. simple thing would be that whole of one foot needs to be ahead of defender not finger or shoulder or armpit even! A foot and that would unequivocally be offside that would even speed up process .... at moment you could argue 99.9% of these millimetre decisions are in fact attackers being level with defenders which was not offside prior to var

The sooner we get VAR the better - they just need to work on when/how it gets applied, which will improve over time.

It's been in operation in europe 2 seasons and theyve not got it right yet! Real had pen overturned other day because var said there was a foul earlier in move 50yds away in other half ! since when is that part of var protocol? And since var introduced weve had law change on handball so that is added to var reviews where will it end?

This is why I say they need to fine tune the use of VAR - I do however strongly believe it is the future and the sooner we get it the better.

you cant fine tune 2nd rate humans. if you could, why not just fine tune the 1st rate refs...
its not technology its referring the opinion of an expert to someone that's less of an expert...how is that ever going to work properly...the offsides are a joke. its not even possible to call some of the ones given....

They are planning a review of offside laws to stop this stupid toenail being offside rule as at present.. simple thing would be that whole of one foot needs to be ahead of defender not finger or shoulder or armpit even! A foot and that would unequivocally be offside that would even speed up process .... at moment you could argue 99.9% of these millimetre decisions are in fact attackers being level with defenders which was not offside prior to var

mate the receiving player running at full tilt is covering 1 centimeter per 1 thousandth of a second...yet we have had milimeter decisions.. its impossible for the VAR blokes to get the ball release that accurate.. NASA would struggle.

The sooner we get VAR the better - they just need to work on when/how it gets applied, which will improve over time.

It's been in operation in europe 2 seasons and theyve not got it right yet! Real had pen overturned other day because var said there was a foul earlier in move 50yds away in other half ! since when is that part of var protocol? And since var introduced weve had law change on handball so that is added to var reviews where will it end?

This is why I say they need to fine tune the use of VAR - I do however strongly believe it is the future and the sooner we get it the better.

you cant fine tune 2nd rate humans. if you could, why not just fine tune the 1st rate refs...
its not technology its referring the opinion of an expert to someone that's less of an expert...how is that ever going to work properly...the offsides are a joke. its not even possible to call some of the ones given....

They are planning a review of offside laws to stop this stupid toenail being offside rule as at present.. simple thing would be that whole of one foot needs to be ahead of defender not finger or shoulder or armpit even! A foot and that would unequivocally be offside that would even speed up process .... at moment you could argue 99.9% of these millimetre decisions are in fact attackers being level with defenders which was not offside prior to var

mate the receiving player running at full tilt is covering 1 centimeter per 1 thousandth of a second...yet we have had milimeter decisions.. its impossible for the VAR blokes to get the ball release that accurate.. NASA would struggle.

They are using speeds of camera that are not designed for var! as I said previously some pictures show one part offside another shows it onside it is bonkers to say they are correct 100%, what they are doing is releasing picture that they want fans to see to show they are right when in reality they are unsure as the rest of us when we see the pictures..

The sooner we get VAR the better - they just need to work on when/how it gets applied, which will improve over time.

It's been in operation in europe 2 seasons and theyve not got it right yet! Real had pen overturned other day because var said there was a foul earlier in move 50yds away in other half ! since when is that part of var protocol? And since var introduced weve had law change on handball so that is added to var reviews where will it end?

This is why I say they need to fine tune the use of VAR - I do however strongly believe it is the future and the sooner we get it the better.

you cant fine tune 2nd rate humans. if you could, why not just fine tune the 1st rate refs...
its not technology its referring the opinion of an expert to someone that's less of an expert...how is that ever going to work properly...the offsides are a joke. its not even possible to call some of the ones given....

They are planning a review of offside laws to stop this stupid toenail being offside rule as at present.. simple thing would be that whole of one foot needs to be ahead of defender not finger or shoulder or armpit even! A foot and that would unequivocally be offside that would even speed up process .... at moment you could argue 99.9% of these millimetre decisions are in fact attackers being level with defenders which was not offside prior to var

mate the receiving player running at full tilt is covering 1 centimeter per 1 thousandth of a second...yet we have had milimeter decisions.. its impossible for the VAR blokes to get the ball release that accurate.. NASA would struggle.

They are using speeds of camera that are not designed for var! as I said previously some pictures show one part offside another shows it onside it is bonkers to say they are correct 100%, what they are doing is releasing picture that they want fans to see to show they are right when in reality they are unsure as the rest of us when we see the pictures..

the FIFA guy said as much last week, saying it impossible to call such fine margins.

The sooner we get VAR the better - they just need to work on when/how it gets applied, which will improve over time.

It's been in operation in europe 2 seasons and theyve not got it right yet! Real had pen overturned other day because var said there was a foul earlier in move 50yds away in other half ! since when is that part of var protocol? And since var introduced weve had law change on handball so that is added to var reviews where will it end?

This is why I say they need to fine tune the use of VAR - I do however strongly believe it is the future and the sooner we get it the better.

you cant fine tune 2nd rate humans. if you could, why not just fine tune the 1st rate refs...
its not technology its referring the opinion of an expert to someone that's less of an expert...how is that ever going to work properly...the offsides are a joke. its not even possible to call some of the ones given....

They are planning a review of offside laws to stop this stupid toenail being offside rule as at present.. simple thing would be that whole of one foot needs to be ahead of defender not finger or shoulder or armpit even! A foot and that would unequivocally be offside that would even speed up process .... at moment you could argue 99.9% of these millimetre decisions are in fact attackers being level with defenders which was not offside prior to var

mate the receiving player running at full tilt is covering 1 centimeter per 1 thousandth of a second...yet we have had milimeter decisions.. its impossible for the VAR blokes to get the ball release that accurate.. NASA would struggle.

They are using speeds of camera that are not designed for var! as I said previously some pictures show one part offside another shows it onside it is bonkers to say they are correct 100%, what they are doing is releasing picture that they want fans to see to show they are right when in reality they are unsure as the rest of us when we see the pictures..

the FIFA guy said as much last week, saying it impossible to call such fine margins.

Whats a joke is fact that people running football know the problem and are doing SFA about it ! Oh we will revue it mmm why not just simply say now offside will be if a players foot is beyond last player so simple..... handball is biggest joke ever reinvented how can you have defenders hand ball no pen but attackers handball
accidentally or otherwise no goal all in same sentence ! And they cannot act on this until they revue it next year!!

The sooner we get VAR the better - they just need to work on when/how it gets applied, which will improve over time.

It's been in operation in europe 2 seasons and theyve not got it right yet! Real had pen overturned other day because var said there was a foul earlier in move 50yds away in other half ! since when is that part of var protocol? And since var introduced weve had law change on handball so that is added to var reviews where will it end?

This is why I say they need to fine tune the use of VAR - I do however strongly believe it is the future and the sooner we get it the better.

you cant fine tune 2nd rate humans. if you could, why not just fine tune the 1st rate refs...
its not technology its referring the opinion of an expert to someone that's less of an expert...how is that ever going to work properly...the offsides are a joke. its not even possible to call some of the ones given....

They are planning a review of offside laws to stop this stupid toenail being offside rule as at present.. simple thing would be that whole of one foot needs to be ahead of defender not finger or shoulder or armpit even! A foot and that would unequivocally be offside that would even speed up process .... at moment you could argue 99.9% of these millimetre decisions are in fact attackers being level with defenders which was not offside prior to var

mate the receiving player running at full tilt is covering 1 centimeter per 1 thousandth of a second...yet we have had milimeter decisions.. its impossible for the VAR blokes to get the ball release that accurate.. NASA would struggle.

They are using speeds of camera that are not designed for var! as I said previously some pictures show one part offside another shows it onside it is bonkers to say they are correct 100%, what they are doing is releasing picture that they want fans to see to show they are right when in reality they are unsure as the rest of us when we see the pictures..

the FIFA guy said as much last week, saying it impossible to call such fine margins.

Whats a joke is fact that people running football know the problem and are doing SFA about it ! Oh we will revue it mmm why not just simply say now offside will be if a players foot is beyond last player so simple..... handball is biggest joke ever reinvented how can you have defenders hand ball no pen but attackers handball
accidentally or otherwise no goal all in same sentence ! And they cannot act on this until they revue it next year!!

Ceferine { I said fifa but he is actually Uefa } also said they had all the top managers { Zidane, Klopp, pep etc } look at a hand ball incident and asked them if it was hand ball the result was half said yes and the other half said no....

The sooner we get VAR the better - they just need to work on when/how it gets applied, which will improve over time.

It's been in operation in europe 2 seasons and theyve not got it right yet! Real had pen overturned other day because var said there was a foul earlier in move 50yds away in other half ! since when is that part of var protocol? And since var introduced weve had law change on handball so that is added to var reviews where will it end?

This is why I say they need to fine tune the use of VAR - I do however strongly believe it is the future and the sooner we get it the better.

you cant fine tune 2nd rate humans. if you could, why not just fine tune the 1st rate refs...
its not technology its referring the opinion of an expert to someone that's less of an expert...how is that ever going to work properly...the offsides are a joke. its not even possible to call some of the ones given....

They are planning a review of offside laws to stop this stupid toenail being offside rule as at present.. simple thing would be that whole of one foot needs to be ahead of defender not finger or shoulder or armpit even! A foot and that would unequivocally be offside that would even speed up process .... at moment you could argue 99.9% of these millimetre decisions are in fact attackers being level with defenders which was not offside prior to var

mate the receiving player running at full tilt is covering 1 centimeter per 1 thousandth of a second...yet we have had milimeter decisions.. its impossible for the VAR blokes to get the ball release that accurate.. NASA would struggle.

They are using speeds of camera that are not designed for var! as I said previously some pictures show one part offside another shows it onside it is bonkers to say they are correct 100%, what they are doing is releasing picture that they want fans to see to show they are right when in reality they are unsure as the rest of us when we see the pictures..

the FIFA guy said as much last week, saying it impossible to call such fine margins.

Whats a joke is fact that people running football know the problem and are doing SFA about it ! Oh we will revue it mmm why not just simply say now offside will be if a players foot is beyond last player so simple..... handball is biggest joke ever reinvented how can you have defenders hand ball no pen but attackers handball
accidentally or otherwise no goal all in same sentence ! And they cannot act on this until they revue it next year!!

Ceferine { I said fifa but he is actually Uefa } also said they had all the top managers { Zidane, Klopp, pep etc } look at a hand ball incident and asked them if it was hand ball the result was half said yes and the other half said no....

Just about sums it up! But handball is a one sided rule no matter why ball hits a player and his team scores then it is automatically ruled out. If same incident stopped a goal it's not automatically handball its the opinion of var not ref as he cant be arsed to look at monitor! and your example just proves var is not correct it just says it is as it is refereeing game now and cannot be seen to be wrong...