ealing_ayatollah wrote:Tricky one as there are some people who I would love to have see hang for the pain they inflicted on others.
But ultimately, it's still a no for me.
It comes down to the question, how can we morally do something as a society that we think is the most heinous of crimes if it is done by an individual.
Prison sentences should be much harsher and prison life should be far less comfortable for murderers and rapists though.
thomasblue wrote:Yes
Paedophiles
Terrorists
Murderers
I would say it would have to be 100% undeniable guilt through DNA or CCTV coverage though.
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:Tricky one as there are some people who I would love to have see hang for the pain they inflicted on others.
But ultimately, it's still a no for me.
It comes down to the question, how can we morally do something as a society that we think is the most heinous of crimes if it is done by an individual.
Prison sentences should be much harsher and prison life should be far less comfortable for murderers and rapists though.
I do see your points. Don’t you think it could also act as a deterrent though?
powysblue wrote:I say a strong "NO"
BUT not for the reason that many are stating.
MAKE THEM SUFFER IT'S HARDER THAN DEATH.
This may sound harsh but I'm sure it would work.
If I was in Charge of the prison and Justice system and could pronounce ongoing policy (which will never happen).
Firstly we would get over the fact that prison is for Punishment and very rarely for rehabilitation (rehabilitation would come as "two strikes and your out" system before prison (with exception of murder or other terrible crimes) to give new criminals a chance to change their lives around as most prisoners are habitual offenders - they do not learn from prison).
Go into all prisons - get rid of all en-suite toilets (slopping out brought back), house cells of 4 (2 x bunks), High energy slop for food, no TV, No phones, No contact with family (maybe a USA screen and phone system).
In the courtyard of every prison dig up the concrete back down to soil.
From Monday to Friday ALL prisoners will dig a massive hole. Give them Sat/Sun Off to sit in cell and think about life, then next Monday to Friday ALL prisoners will fill the hole back in - and so on and so on, no matter of weather, sickness, etc, ALL will participate.
I'm sure after a couple of weeks most weekends will be filled with thoughts akin to "F-ck this, I never want to come back here again".
This would have a very REAL deterrent effect on prisoners and having the added effect of family, children, friends all being told "you never want to go inside, it's a hell hole". to lower prison population.
Then judges could shorten sentences. improve rehab with more money from tax savings.
I say we have to stop what is happening inside prisons with prisoners running prisons, chaos for prison officers, best food, TV in cell's, Mobile Phones, Drugs - TOO SOFT WE ARE.
I can here all the "Lilly Liver'd Liberals" now.
Of course this will never happen.
ealing_ayatollah wrote:powysblue wrote:I say a strong "NO"
BUT not for the reason that many are stating.
MAKE THEM SUFFER IT'S HARDER THAN DEATH.
This may sound harsh but I'm sure it would work.
If I was in Charge of the prison and Justice system and could pronounce ongoing policy (which will never happen).
Firstly we would get over the fact that prison is for Punishment and very rarely for rehabilitation (rehabilitation would come as "two strikes and your out" system before prison (with exception of murder or other terrible crimes) to give new criminals a chance to change their lives around as most prisoners are habitual offenders - they do not learn from prison).
Go into all prisons - get rid of all en-suite toilets (slopping out brought back), house cells of 4 (2 x bunks), High energy slop for food, no TV, No phones, No contact with family (maybe a USA screen and phone system).
In the courtyard of every prison dig up the concrete back down to soil.
From Monday to Friday ALL prisoners will dig a massive hole. Give them Sat/Sun Off to sit in cell and think about life, then next Monday to Friday ALL prisoners will fill the hole back in - and so on and so on, no matter of weather, sickness, etc, ALL will participate.
I'm sure after a couple of weeks most weekends will be filled with thoughts akin to "F-ck this, I never want to come back here again".
This would have a very REAL deterrent effect on prisoners and having the added effect of family, children, friends all being told "you never want to go inside, it's a hell hole". to lower prison population.
Then judges could shorten sentences. improve rehab with more money from tax savings.
I say we have to stop what is happening inside prisons with prisoners running prisons, chaos for prison officers, best food, TV in cell's, Mobile Phones, Drugs - TOO SOFT WE ARE.
I can here all the "Lilly Liver'd Liberals" now.
Of course this will never happen.
I agree with this. It'll never happen but it is what's needed to make prison an actual deterrent.
thomasblue wrote:Yes
Paedophiles
Terrorists
Murderers
I would say it would have to be 100% undeniable guilt through DNA or CCTV coverage though.
ealing_ayatollah wrote:powysblue wrote:I say a strong "NO"
BUT not for the reason that many are stating.
MAKE THEM SUFFER IT'S HARDER THAN DEATH.
This may sound harsh but I'm sure it would work.
If I was in Charge of the prison and Justice system and could pronounce ongoing policy (which will never happen).
Firstly we would get over the fact that prison is for Punishment and very rarely for rehabilitation (rehabilitation would come as "two strikes and your out" system before prison (with exception of murder or other terrible crimes) to give new criminals a chance to change their lives around as most prisoners are habitual offenders - they do not learn from prison).
Go into all prisons - get rid of all en-suite toilets (slopping out brought back), house cells of 4 (2 x bunks), High energy slop for food, no TV, No phones, No contact with family (maybe a USA screen and phone system).
In the courtyard of every prison dig up the concrete back down to soil.
From Monday to Friday ALL prisoners will dig a massive hole. Give them Sat/Sun Off to sit in cell and think about life, then next Monday to Friday ALL prisoners will fill the hole back in - and so on and so on, no matter of weather, sickness, etc, ALL will participate.
I'm sure after a couple of weeks most weekends will be filled with thoughts akin to "F-ck this, I never want to come back here again".
This would have a very REAL deterrent effect on prisoners and having the added effect of family, children, friends all being told "you never want to go inside, it's a hell hole". to lower prison population.
Then judges could shorten sentences. improve rehab with more money from tax savings.
I say we have to stop what is happening inside prisons with prisoners running prisons, chaos for prison officers, best food, TV in cell's, Mobile Phones, Drugs - TOO SOFT WE ARE.
I can here all the "Lilly Liver'd Liberals" now.
Of course this will never happen.
I agree with this. It'll never happen but it is what's needed to make prison an actual deterrent.
RV Casual wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:powysblue wrote:I say a strong "NO"
BUT not for the reason that many are stating.
MAKE THEM SUFFER IT'S HARDER THAN DEATH.
This may sound harsh but I'm sure it would work.
If I was in Charge of the prison and Justice system and could pronounce ongoing policy (which will never happen).
Firstly we would get over the fact that prison is for Punishment and very rarely for rehabilitation (rehabilitation would come as "two strikes and your out" system before prison (with exception of murder or other terrible crimes) to give new criminals a chance to change their lives around as most prisoners are habitual offenders - they do not learn from prison).
Go into all prisons - get rid of all en-suite toilets (slopping out brought back), house cells of 4 (2 x bunks), High energy slop for food, no TV, No phones, No contact with family (maybe a USA screen and phone system).
In the courtyard of every prison dig up the concrete back down to soil.
From Monday to Friday ALL prisoners will dig a massive hole. Give them Sat/Sun Off to sit in cell and think about life, then next Monday to Friday ALL prisoners will fill the hole back in - and so on and so on, no matter of weather, sickness, etc, ALL will participate.
I'm sure after a couple of weeks most weekends will be filled with thoughts akin to "F-ck this, I never want to come back here again".
This would have a very REAL deterrent effect on prisoners and having the added effect of family, children, friends all being told "you never want to go inside, it's a hell hole". to lower prison population.
Then judges could shorten sentences. improve rehab with more money from tax savings.
I say we have to stop what is happening inside prisons with prisoners running prisons, chaos for prison officers, best food, TV in cell's, Mobile Phones, Drugs - TOO SOFT WE ARE.
I can here all the "Lilly Liver'd Liberals" now.
Of course this will never happen.
I agree with this. It'll never happen but it is what's needed to make prison an actual deterrent.
Fantasy.
Prison is not an easy place to be, anyone who thinks that offenders are living a life of luxury are listening to the wrong people.
They are hard, unforgiving places
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:RV Casual wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:powysblue wrote:I say a strong "NO"
BUT not for the reason that many are stating.
MAKE THEM SUFFER IT'S HARDER THAN DEATH.
This may sound harsh but I'm sure it would work.
If I was in Charge of the prison and Justice system and could pronounce ongoing policy (which will never happen).
Firstly we would get over the fact that prison is for Punishment and very rarely for rehabilitation (rehabilitation would come as "two strikes and your out" system before prison (with exception of murder or other terrible crimes) to give new criminals a chance to change their lives around as most prisoners are habitual offenders - they do not learn from prison).
Go into all prisons - get rid of all en-suite toilets (slopping out brought back), house cells of 4 (2 x bunks), High energy slop for food, no TV, No phones, No contact with family (maybe a USA screen and phone system).
In the courtyard of every prison dig up the concrete back down to soil.
From Monday to Friday ALL prisoners will dig a massive hole. Give them Sat/Sun Off to sit in cell and think about life, then next Monday to Friday ALL prisoners will fill the hole back in - and so on and so on, no matter of weather, sickness, etc, ALL will participate.
I'm sure after a couple of weeks most weekends will be filled with thoughts akin to "F-ck this, I never want to come back here again".
This would have a very REAL deterrent effect on prisoners and having the added effect of family, children, friends all being told "you never want to go inside, it's a hell hole". to lower prison population.
Then judges could shorten sentences. improve rehab with more money from tax savings.
I say we have to stop what is happening inside prisons with prisoners running prisons, chaos for prison officers, best food, TV in cell's, Mobile Phones, Drugs - TOO SOFT WE ARE.
I can here all the "Lilly Liver'd Liberals" now.
Of course this will never happen.
I agree with this. It'll never happen but it is what's needed to make prison an actual deterrent.
Fantasy.
Prison is not an easy place to be, anyone who thinks that offenders are living a life of luxury are listening to the wrong people.
They are hard, unforgiving places
If that’s the case why are there so many Reoffenders mate?
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