O/T oh dear Corbyn in the crap

I'm pretty sure when he says 'the meaning' he's referring to the meaning of elyboy posting it, not the literal meaning Voltaire said the quote?

Although I'm with you in that the quote is almost definitely not genuinely by Voltaire

Again the Marxist was made to look unelectable notwithstanding the socialists planted in the audience applauding his Neo Marxist propaganda

Being critical of Israel does not equal anti semitism.

the OP is about anti Semitism in the Labour party. not Israel.

Corbyn is a racist.. its hardly news.

How's he a racist?

he is anti semetic and has been throughout his career/life. and I don't mean a few jokes like MM , its why this investigation has run and run with very little being done. yet on the surface seems a simple thing to put to bed..

Is anti semitism racism? Even if it was when has he been specifically anti semitic (rather than anti Israel)?

Genuinely asking btw not saying there isn't examples, it's just the whole criticism of Corbyn being anti semitic seems to just be built around his pro Palestine anti Israeli history and views

Corbyn is a lot of things but

not sure Corbyn controls us
or that Voltaire said that either..

The meaning relates the fact that some Jews seem to purposefully confuse criticism of Israel and Zionism with anti Semitism, which are 2 different things. You seem to have your own confusion to deal with.

oh...Voltaire DIED in the 1700s..
so even if it was said by him I doubt he was talking about confusion between Zionism and Israel almost 200 years later..
jeez....

If it came across that i thought Voltaire was refering to Isreal then that was not my intention, most people know Isreal is a new country. it's the sentiment of the quote that rings true today for me, especially with Corbyn.

Tbh I don't know who Voltaire was referring to, he took exile in Britain after falling foul of French power brokers, so he could've been alluding to them.

Although many Jewish people were quite influential in France and kicked out numerous times over the centuries, mainly for what the authorities at the time saw as attempts to trap people in endless debt through a fondness of Usary. Who knows...
They were always invited back when the Royals needed to borrow money. I've read of a large Jewish involvement in the French revolution, it's anyones guess...

Either way, if you're a politician today and you challenge Isreal *and* todays model of Usary/ international bankers. Which Corbyn has...If elected, he better wear a tin hat. The 2 most notable political leaders to challenge them in the last 50 years were American president JFK and Colonel Gaddafi. Not that i'm pointing the finger at Isreal, it's certainly just a coincidence.

I'm pretty sure when he says 'the meaning' he's referring to the meaning of elyboy posting it, not the literal meaning Voltaire said the quote?

Although I'm with you in that the quote is almost definitely not genuinely by Voltaire

Almost definitely...not definately then

Being critical of Israel does not equal anti semitism.

the OP is about anti Semitism in the Labour party. not Israel.

Corbyn is a racist.. its hardly news.

How's he a racist?

he is anti semetic and has been throughout his career/life. and I don't mean a few jokes like MM , its why this investigation has run and run with very little being done. yet on the surface seems a simple thing to put to bed..

Is anti semitism racism? Even if it was when has he been specifically anti semitic (rather than anti Israel)?

Genuinely asking btw not saying there isn't examples, it's just the whole criticism of Corbyn being anti semitic seems to just be built around his pro Palestine anti Israeli history and views

Corbyn is a lot of things but

not sure Corbyn controls us
or that Voltaire said that either..

That quote came from an American White Supremecist, however despite its dodgy origins it has a lot of truth in it.

Anyone have a link to the article?

It looks as if comrade corbyn got his info on nhs from his Soviet buddies! Should be more careful where he gets his info from because it will now be discredited as Russian interference whether info true or not....

Jock is that definitely true? Online people seem split on it's origin.

I ask, because Anything Expressing white identity is now questioned or dismissed by the globalist media as "white supremacy" in the same way Corbyn is smeared as as anti semitic for questioning Isreali power. Globalists have weaponised these terms, mangling their meaning & i have to say i'm seeing more and more anti Christian/European rhetoric from eminent Jewish people, i could give coutnless verifiable examples, it has shocked me but apparently this tension isn't new & goes back 2.000 years.
i'm from a varied background and people i speak with of all races think it's gone too far...and find it bizarre. There was recently a media outcry of "white supremacism" in America because somebody hung a bedsheet over a motorway bridge with the words "it's ok to be white" in response(i think) to a University holding a discussion where only ethnic minorities were asked to attend. How can that be right? I do not fully understand this manufactured antipathy. Even the abhorrent Africa/America slave trade wasn't a white operation but was ended by white Christians, yet the "globalist" media have never given me that perspective...even as food for thought.

In France, the debate is further ahead and people are questioning what is going on, from all communities...
French rappers even toast about the "great replacement" ...refering to the demographic change in Europe. A conspiracy theory obviously...

I can honestly say that i've never met a white supremacist in my life.

Being critical of Israel does not equal anti semitism.

the OP is about anti Semitism in the Labour party. not Israel.

Corbyn is a racist.. its hardly news.

How's he a racist?

he is anti semetic and has been throughout his career/life. and I don't mean a few jokes like MM , its why this investigation has run and run with very little being done. yet on the surface seems a simple thing to put to bed..

Is anti semitism racism? Even if it was when has he been specifically anti semitic (rather than anti Israel)?

Genuinely asking btw not saying there isn't examples, it's just the whole criticism of Corbyn being anti semitic seems to just be built around his pro Palestine anti Israeli history and views

Corbyn is a lot of things but

not sure Corbyn controls us
or that Voltaire said that either..

The meaning relates the fact that some Jews seem to purposefully confuse criticism of Israel and Zionism with anti Semitism, which are 2 different things. You seem to have your own confusion to deal with.

oh...Voltaire DIED in the 1700s..
so even if it was said by him I doubt he was talking about confusion between Zionism and Israel almost 200 years later..
jeez....

Of course he wasn’t talkings about anti semitism, although it existed long before Voltaire’s birth. He was referring to an emotionally loaded position designed to deflect blame away from wrong doing, a form of immunity from responsibility with emotional blackmail An option open to any social group in theory

Corbyn is wrong for primeminister and is definatly wrong for us in wales !!
Hes definitely what's labbled and he can eat my shit !

Jock is that definitely true? Online people seem split on it's origin.

I ask, because Anything Expressing white identity is now questioned or dismissed by the globalist media as "white supremacy" in the same way Corbyn is smeared as as anti semitic for questioning Isreali power. Globalists have weaponised these terms, mangling their meaning & i have to say i'm seeing more and more anti Christian/European rhetoric from eminent Jewish people, i could give coutnless verifiable examples, it has shocked me but apparently this tension isn't new & goes back 2.000 years.
i'm from a varied background and people i speak with of all races think it's gone too far...and find it bizarre. There was recently a media outcry of "white supremacism" in America because somebody hung a bedsheet over a motorway bridge with the words "it's ok to be white" in response(i think) to a University holding a discussion where only ethnic minorities were asked to attend. How can that be right? I do not fully understand this manufactured antipathy. Even the abhorrent Africa/America slave trade wasn't a white operation but was ended by white Christians, yet the "globalist" media have never given me that perspective...even as food for thought.

In France, the debate is further ahead and people are questioning what is going on, from all communities...
French rappers even toast about the "great replacement" ...refering to the demographic change in Europe. A conspiracy theory obviously...

I can honestly say that i've never met a white supremacist in my life.

Don’t know for sure the origins, sounds like something Voltaire would say but the little I’ve seen online say some Yank Crackpot, like I said either way there’s much truth in it. The march of the far left through our institutions and academia has seen words like racist or Facist used to close down debate. Time for a grown up debate on immigration and Islam in this country .

Jock is that definitely true? Online people seem split on it's origin.

I ask, because Anything Expressing white identity is now questioned or dismissed by the globalist media as "white supremacy" in the same way Corbyn is smeared as as anti semitic for questioning Isreali power. Globalists have weaponised these terms, mangling their meaning & i have to say i'm seeing more and more anti Christian/European rhetoric from eminent Jewish people, i could give coutnless verifiable examples, it has shocked me but apparently this tension isn't new & goes back 2.000 years.
i'm from a varied background and people i speak with of all races think it's gone too far...and find it bizarre. There was recently a media outcry of "white supremacism" in America because somebody hung a bedsheet over a motorway bridge with the words "it's ok to be white" in response(i think) to a University holding a discussion where only ethnic minorities were asked to attend. How can that be right? I do not fully understand this manufactured antipathy. Even the abhorrent Africa/America slave trade wasn't a white operation but was ended by white Christians, yet the "globalist" media have never given me that perspective...even as food for thought.

In France, the debate is further ahead and people are questioning what is going on, from all communities...
French rappers even toast about the "great replacement" ...refering to the demographic change in Europe. A conspiracy theory obviously...

I can honestly say that i've never met a white supremacist in my life.

Don’t know for sure the origins, sounds like something Voltaire would say but the little I’ve seen online say some Yank Crackpot, like I said either way there’s much truth in it. The march of the far left through our institutions and academia has seen words like racist or Facist used to close down debate. Time for a grown up debate on immigration and Islam in this country .

I agree Jock, it is time for an honest debate. I just can not see it happening, we have slowly lost the right to criticise and speak freely. Baroness Varsi is pushing for an islamaphobic law, enforcing tighter controls on criticism of any form of Islam. i think it's only a matter before we see this law passed.

Jock is that definitely true? Online people seem split on it's origin.

I ask, because Anything Expressing white identity is now questioned or dismissed by the globalist media as "white supremacy" in the same way Corbyn is smeared as as anti semitic for questioning Isreali power. Globalists have weaponised these terms, mangling their meaning & i have to say i'm seeing more and more anti Christian/European rhetoric from eminent Jewish people, i could give coutnless verifiable examples, it has shocked me but apparently this tension isn't new & goes back 2.000 years.
i'm from a varied background and people i speak with of all races think it's gone too far...and find it bizarre. There was recently a media outcry of "white supremacism" in America because somebody hung a bedsheet over a motorway bridge with the words "it's ok to be white" in response(i think) to a University holding a discussion where only ethnic minorities were asked to attend. How can that be right? I do not fully understand this manufactured antipathy. Even the abhorrent Africa/America slave trade wasn't a white operation but was ended by white Christians, yet the "globalist" media have never given me that perspective...even as food for thought.

In France, the debate is further ahead and people are questioning what is going on, from all communities...
French rappers even toast about the "great replacement" ...refering to the demographic change in Europe. A conspiracy theory obviously...

I can honestly say that i've never met a white supremacist in my life.

Don’t know for sure the origins, sounds like something Voltaire would say but the little I’ve seen online say some Yank Crackpot, like I said either way there’s much truth in it. The march of the far left through our institutions and academia has seen words like racist or Facist used to close down debate. Time for a grown up debate on immigration and Islam in this country .

I agree Jock, it is time for an honest debate. I just can not see it happening, we have slowly lost the right to criticise and speak freely. Baroness Varsi is pushing for an islamaphobic law, enforcing tighter controls on criticism of any form of Islam. i think it's only a matter before we see this law passed.

Islamaphobia, a term first coined by the Islamist extremists during the Iranian revolution........to stop criticism of their barbaric interpretation of Islam. Now it’s mainstream.

Jock is that definitely true? Online people seem split on it's origin.

I ask, because Anything Expressing white identity is now questioned or dismissed by the globalist media as "white supremacy" in the same way Corbyn is smeared as as anti semitic for questioning Isreali power. Globalists have weaponised these terms, mangling their meaning & i have to say i'm seeing more and more anti Christian/European rhetoric from eminent Jewish people, i could give coutnless verifiable examples, it has shocked me but apparently this tension isn't new & goes back 2.000 years.
i'm from a varied background and people i speak with of all races think it's gone too far...and find it bizarre. There was recently a media outcry of "white supremacism" in America because somebody hung a bedsheet over a motorway bridge with the words "it's ok to be white" in response(i think) to a University holding a discussion where only ethnic minorities were asked to attend. How can that be right? I do not fully understand this manufactured antipathy. Even the abhorrent Africa/America slave trade wasn't a white operation but was ended by white Christians, yet the "globalist" media have never given me that perspective...even as food for thought.

In France, the debate is further ahead and people are questioning what is going on, from all communities...
French rappers even toast about the "great replacement" ...refering to the demographic change in Europe. A conspiracy theory obviously...

I can honestly say that i've never met a white supremacist in my life.

Don’t know for sure the origins, sounds like something Voltaire would say but the little I’ve seen online say some Yank Crackpot, like I said either way there’s much truth in it. The march of the far left through our institutions and academia has seen words like racist or Facist used to close down debate. Time for a grown up debate on immigration and Islam in this country .

I agree Jock, it is time for an honest debate. I just can not see it happening, we have slowly lost the right to criticise and speak freely. Baroness Varsi is pushing for an islamaphobic law, enforcing tighter controls on criticism of any form of Islam. i think it's only a matter before we see this law passed.

Islamaphobia, a term first coined by the Islamist extremists during the Iranian revolution........to stop criticism of their barbaric interpretation of Islam. Now it’s mainstream.

'(the term Islamophobia) is attested in English as early as 1923, to quote the French word islamophobie, found in a thesis published by Alain Quellien in 1910 to describe a "a prejudice against Islam that is widespread among the peoples of Western and Christian civilization".' From wikipedia with all the sources for that linked in if you do want to check.

Iranian revolution was late 70s so no that's not true I'm afraid.

Jock is that definitely true? Online people seem split on it's origin.

I ask, because Anything Expressing white identity is now questioned or dismissed by the globalist media as "white supremacy" in the same way Corbyn is smeared as as anti semitic for questioning Isreali power. Globalists have weaponised these terms, mangling their meaning & i have to say i'm seeing more and more anti Christian/European rhetoric from eminent Jewish people, i could give coutnless verifiable examples, it has shocked me but apparently this tension isn't new & goes back 2.000 years.
i'm from a varied background and people i speak with of all races think it's gone too far...and find it bizarre. There was recently a media outcry of "white supremacism" in America because somebody hung a bedsheet over a motorway bridge with the words "it's ok to be white" in response(i think) to a University holding a discussion where only ethnic minorities were asked to attend. How can that be right? I do not fully understand this manufactured antipathy. Even the abhorrent Africa/America slave trade wasn't a white operation but was ended by white Christians, yet the "globalist" media have never given me that perspective...even as food for thought.

In France, the debate is further ahead and people are questioning what is going on, from all communities...
French rappers even toast about the "great replacement" ...refering to the demographic change in Europe. A conspiracy theory obviously...

I can honestly say that i've never met a white supremacist in my life.

Don’t know for sure the origins, sounds like something Voltaire would say but the little I’ve seen online say some Yank Crackpot, like I said either way there’s much truth in it. The march of the far left through our institutions and academia has seen words like racist or Facist used to close down debate. Time for a grown up debate on immigration and Islam in this country .

I agree Jock, it is time for an honest debate. I just can not see it happening, we have slowly lost the right to criticise and speak freely. Baroness Varsi is pushing for an islamaphobic law, enforcing tighter controls on criticism of any form of Islam. i think it's only a matter before we see this law passed.

Islamaphobia, a term first coined by the Islamist extremists during the Iranian revolution........to stop criticism of their barbaric interpretation of Islam. Now it’s mainstream.

'(the term Islamophobia) is attested in English as early as 1923, to quote the French word islamophobie, found in a thesis published by Alain Quellien in 1910 to describe a "a prejudice against Islam that is widespread among the peoples of Western and Christian civilization".' From wikipedia with all the sources for that linked in if you do want to check.

Iranian revolution was late 70s so no that's not true I'm afraid.

By "coined" i took it as meaning weaponised politically, as was the context of my post. The term was rare Before the Iranian revolution.

Jock is that definitely true? Online people seem split on it's origin.

I ask, because Anything Expressing white identity is now questioned or dismissed by the globalist media as "white supremacy" in the same way Corbyn is smeared as as anti semitic for questioning Isreali power. Globalists have weaponised these terms, mangling their meaning & i have to say i'm seeing more and more anti Christian/European rhetoric from eminent Jewish people, i could give coutnless verifiable examples, it has shocked me but apparently this tension isn't new & goes back 2.000 years.
i'm from a varied background and people i speak with of all races think it's gone too far...and find it bizarre. There was recently a media outcry of "white supremacism" in America because somebody hung a bedsheet over a motorway bridge with the words "it's ok to be white" in response(i think) to a University holding a discussion where only ethnic minorities were asked to attend. How can that be right? I do not fully understand this manufactured antipathy. Even the abhorrent Africa/America slave trade wasn't a white operation but was ended by white Christians, yet the "globalist" media have never given me that perspective...even as food for thought.

In France, the debate is further ahead and people are questioning what is going on, from all communities...
French rappers even toast about the "great replacement" ...refering to the demographic change in Europe. A conspiracy theory obviously...

I can honestly say that i've never met a white supremacist in my life.

Don’t know for sure the origins, sounds like something Voltaire would say but the little I’ve seen online say some Yank Crackpot, like I said either way there’s much truth in it. The march of the far left through our institutions and academia has seen words like racist or Facist used to close down debate. Time for a grown up debate on immigration and Islam in this country .

I agree Jock, it is time for an honest debate. I just can not see it happening, we have slowly lost the right to criticise and speak freely. Baroness Varsi is pushing for an islamaphobic law, enforcing tighter controls on criticism of any form of Islam. i think it's only a matter before we see this law passed.

Islamaphobia, a term first coined by the Islamist extremists during the Iranian revolution........to stop criticism of their barbaric interpretation of Islam. Now it’s mainstream.

'(the term Islamophobia) is attested in English as early as 1923, to quote the French word islamophobie, found in a thesis published by Alain Quellien in 1910 to describe a "a prejudice against Islam that is widespread among the peoples of Western and Christian civilization".' From wikipedia with all the sources for that linked in if you do want to check.

Iranian revolution was late 70s so no that's not true I'm afraid.

By "coined" i took it as meaning weaponised politically, as was the context of my post. The term was rare Before the Iranian revolution.

Coined means to invent something though not to weaponise it politically. He's also mentioned this previously on the board to which I gave the same response, and that wasn't tied in to the 'context' of your post. I agree all for an open and honest debate but it's impossible when both sides will just repeat lies or at best use very misleading information to get their point across.

Corbyn in the crap...

Corbyn is the crap.

Jock is that definitely true? Online people seem split on it's origin.

I ask, because Anything Expressing white identity is now questioned or dismissed by the globalist media as "white supremacy" in the same way Corbyn is smeared as as anti semitic for questioning Isreali power. Globalists have weaponised these terms, mangling their meaning & i have to say i'm seeing more and more anti Christian/European rhetoric from eminent Jewish people, i could give coutnless verifiable examples, it has shocked me but apparently this tension isn't new & goes back 2.000 years.
i'm from a varied background and people i speak with of all races think it's gone too far...and find it bizarre. There was recently a media outcry of "white supremacism" in America because somebody hung a bedsheet over a motorway bridge with the words "it's ok to be white" in response(i think) to a University holding a discussion where only ethnic minorities were asked to attend. How can that be right? I do not fully understand this manufactured antipathy. Even the abhorrent Africa/America slave trade wasn't a white operation but was ended by white Christians, yet the "globalist" media have never given me that perspective...even as food for thought.

In France, the debate is further ahead and people are questioning what is going on, from all communities...
French rappers even toast about the "great replacement" ...refering to the demographic change in Europe. A conspiracy theory obviously...

I can honestly say that i've never met a white supremacist in my life.

Don’t know for sure the origins, sounds like something Voltaire would say but the little I’ve seen online say some Yank Crackpot, like I said either way there’s much truth in it. The march of the far left through our institutions and academia has seen words like racist or Facist used to close down debate. Time for a grown up debate on immigration and Islam in this country .

I agree Jock, it is time for an honest debate. I just can not see it happening, we have slowly lost the right to criticise and speak freely. Baroness Varsi is pushing for an islamaphobic law, enforcing tighter controls on criticism of any form of Islam. i think it's only a matter before we see this law passed.

Islamaphobia, a term first coined by the Islamist extremists during the Iranian revolution........to stop criticism of their barbaric interpretation of Islam. Now it’s mainstream.

'(the term Islamophobia) is attested in English as early as 1923, to quote the French word islamophobie, found in a thesis published by Alain Quellien in 1910 to describe a "a prejudice against Islam that is widespread among the peoples of Western and Christian civilization".' From wikipedia with all the sources for that linked in if you do want to check.

Iranian revolution was late 70s so no that's not true I'm afraid.

By "coined" i took it as meaning weaponised politically, as was the context of my post. The term was rare Before the Iranian revolution.

Coined means to invent something though not to weaponise it politically. He's also mentioned this previously on the board to which I gave the same response, and that wasn't tied in to the 'context' of your post. I agree all for an open and honest debate but it's impossible when both sides will just repeat lies or at best use very misleading information to get their point across.

If i remember correctly his previous allusion was a similar to context to this.

Islamaphobia as a political weapon was "coined" in the 80s from Iran was it not?

If i remember correctly his previous allusion was a similar to context to this.

Islamaphobia as a political weapon was "coined" in the 80s from Iran was it not?

If I started out this thread by saying "Anti-semitism is just a word invented by israel so they can avoid criticism when they bomb palestinians" it would be incorrect. If i later said "well I obviously meant they were the first to weaponise it politically" it wouldn't validate the fact that what I first said was incorrect.

Either way no you're wrong, islamophobia as a political weapon can be traced back to Voltaire, it's in a picture quote so definitely legit.

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If i remember correctly his previous allusion was a similar to context to this.

Islamaphobia as a political weapon was "coined" in the 80s from Iran was it not?

If I started out this thread by saying "Anti-semitism is just a word invented by israel so they can avoid criticism when they bomb palestinians" it would be incorrect. If i later said "well I obviously meant they were the first to weaponise it politically" it wouldn't validate the fact that what I first said was incorrect.

Either way no you're wrong, islamophobia as a political weapon can be traced back to Voltaire, it's in a picture quote so definitely legit.

I suggested that terms were being weaponised politically and Jock, in response, accurately suggested this particular method was coined in 80s Iran. I don't get what you're objecting to...

Voltaire is far less important than the sentiment of message. for most..

Jock is that definitely true? Online people seem split on it's origin.

I ask, because Anything Expressing white identity is now questioned or dismissed by the globalist media as "white supremacy" in the same way Corbyn is smeared as as anti semitic for questioning Isreali power. Globalists have weaponised these terms, mangling their meaning & i have to say i'm seeing more and more anti Christian/European rhetoric from eminent Jewish people, i could give coutnless verifiable examples, it has shocked me but apparently this tension isn't new & goes back 2.000 years.
i'm from a varied background and people i speak with of all races think it's gone too far...and find it bizarre. There was recently a media outcry of "white supremacism" in America because somebody hung a bedsheet over a motorway bridge with the words "it's ok to be white" in response(i think) to a University holding a discussion where only ethnic minorities were asked to attend. How can that be right? I do not fully understand this manufactured antipathy. Even the abhorrent Africa/America slave trade wasn't a white operation but was ended by white Christians, yet the "globalist" media have never given me that perspective...even as food for thought.

In France, the debate is further ahead and people are questioning what is going on, from all communities...
French rappers even toast about the "great replacement" ...refering to the demographic change in Europe. A conspiracy theory obviously...

I can honestly say that i've never met a white supremacist in my life.

Don’t know for sure the origins, sounds like something Voltaire would say but the little I’ve seen online say some Yank Crackpot, like I said either way there’s much truth in it. The march of the far left through our institutions and academia has seen words like racist or Facist used to close down debate. Time for a grown up debate on immigration and Islam in this country .

I agree Jock, it is time for an honest debate. I just can not see it happening, we have slowly lost the right to criticise and speak freely. Baroness Varsi is pushing for an islamaphobic law, enforcing tighter controls on criticism of any form of Islam. i think it's only a matter before we see this law passed.

Islamaphobia, a term first coined by the Islamist extremists during the Iranian revolution........to stop criticism of their barbaric interpretation of Islam. Now it’s mainstream.

'(the term Islamophobia) is attested in English as early as 1923, to quote the French word islamophobie, found in a thesis published by Alain Quellien in 1910 to describe a "a prejudice against Islam that is widespread among the peoples of Western and Christian civilization".' From wikipedia with all the sources for that linked in if you do want to check.

Iranian revolution was late 70s so no that's not true I'm afraid.

I stand corrected but don’t recall being pulled up on it previously. What I will say it came into prominence after the Iranian Revolution and was pushed by Islamists to stem criticism of their crackpot theology.