O/T Ha ha now rail fares

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

I thought there was a crisis with the homeless , child poverty , and the NHS underfunded...?
but I know. lets spend money on subsidising rail fares , tuition fees and give free broadband. that will sort it out..

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

I thought there was a crisis with the homeless , child poverty , and the NHS underfunded...?
but I know. lets spend money on subsidising rail fares , tuition fees and give free broadband. that will sort it out..

Why is there a crisis with homeless, child poverty, and underfunded NHS? Ahh yes, due to 9 years of Conservative government. These will only continue to get progressively worse should the Tories be foolishly voted back in.

Our only hope is a Corbyn led Labour Government. We'd be so much better off now had he won the 2017 election.

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

I thought there was a crisis with the homeless , child poverty , and the NHS underfunded...?
but I know. lets spend money on subsidising rail fares , tuition fees and give free broadband. that will sort it out..

Why is there a crisis with homeless, child poverty, and underfunded NHS? Ahh yes, due to 9 years of Conservative government. These will only continue to get progressively worse should the Tories be foolishly voted back in.

Our only hope is a Corbyn led Labour Government. We'd be so much better off now had he won the 2017 election.

So we don't have problems here in Wales which has been Labour run for years.

When do we get free porn??

Oh. We already do! Damn you free market and selling advertising space

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

I thought there was a crisis with the homeless , child poverty , and the NHS underfunded...?
but I know. lets spend money on subsidising rail fares , tuition fees and give free broadband. that will sort it out..

Why is there a crisis with homeless, child poverty, and underfunded NHS? Ahh yes, due to 9 years of Conservative government. These will only continue to get progressively worse should the Tories be foolishly voted back in.

Our only hope is a Corbyn led Labour Government. We'd be so much better off now had he won the 2017 election.

the point is ffs. if you are hungry, homeless and waiting an op..do you need free tuition ,free broadband and cheap rail fares..
no mate...you get some money you get yourself a pad, get some more your better nourished..

btw I have children and grandchildren. this lets go for it now stuff is for the selfish socialists...

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Andy MacDonald said on the radio that it will be funded out of the road fund licence in particular and road budgets in general. I suspect motoring will be for the privileged in the not so distant future.

Andy MacDonald said on the radio that it will be funded out of the road fund licence in particular and road budgets in general. I suspect motoring will be for the privileged in the not so distant future.

Well I guess that means we will see road tax increased, fuel duty increased, vat increases on anything linked to motoring, and with the railways nationalised we will all be screwed because they will be on strike every other week. Not to worry though, it will only affect workers for 4 days a week instead of five.

LATEST - free rail travel for Under 16's

Worst part is that people will fall for all the Labour fantasy Island promises !!!

There is only 1 promise Labour will Keep and that is to Bankrupt the country within the first parliament.

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

I thought there was a crisis with the homeless , child poverty , and the NHS underfunded...?
but I know. lets spend money on subsidising rail fares , tuition fees and give free broadband. that will sort it out..

Why is there a crisis with homeless, child poverty, and underfunded NHS? Ahh yes, due to 9 years of Conservative government. These will only continue to get progressively worse should the Tories be foolishly voted back in.

Our only hope is a Corbyn led Labour Government. We'd be so much better off now had he won the 2017 election.

Child Poverty in UK ? "ffs" - more like selfish irresponsible bad budgeting parents (booze, fags,Loans,etc,etc)

Andy MacDonald said on the radio that it will be funded out of the road fund licence in particular and road budgets in general. I suspect motoring will be for the privileged in the not so distant future.

Well I guess that means we will see road tax increased, fuel duty increased, vat increases on anything linked to motoring, and with the railways nationalised we will all be screwed because they will be on strike every other week. Not to worry though, it will only affect workers for 4 days a week instead of five.

most trains servicing London run at over capacity at the moment , some at 150% of official capacity.
so much of whats being said makes zero sense to me.. but as im finding out reading on here it makes perfect sense to some people.??????????
the time to have done this encouraging rail travel was in 1979 when passenger numbers were at their lowest for a hundred years..

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

I thought there was a crisis with the homeless , child poverty , and the NHS underfunded...?
but I know. lets spend money on subsidising rail fares , tuition fees and give free broadband. that will sort it out..

Why is there a crisis with homeless, child poverty, and underfunded NHS? Ahh yes, due to 9 years of Conservative government. These will only continue to get progressively worse should the Tories be foolishly voted back in.

Our only hope is a Corbyn led Labour Government. We'd be so much better off now had he won the 2017 election.

Ha ha deluded
Austerity caused by the labour government in 2010
That left the conservative party to govern the uk that was financialy ruined when they took over
Just like every labour government has done since the 1940s

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

I thought there was a crisis with the homeless , child poverty , and the NHS underfunded...?
but I know. lets spend money on subsidising rail fares , tuition fees and give free broadband. that will sort it out..

Why is there a crisis with homeless, child poverty, and underfunded NHS? Ahh yes, due to 9 years of Conservative government. These will only continue to get progressively worse should the Tories be foolishly voted back in.

Our only hope is a Corbyn led Labour Government. We'd be so much better off now had he won the 2017 election.

Child Poverty in UK ? "ffs" - more like selfish irresponsible bad budgeting parents (booze, fags,Loans,etc,etc)

Got to agree

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

I thought there was a crisis with the homeless , child poverty , and the NHS underfunded...?
but I know. lets spend money on subsidising rail fares , tuition fees and give free broadband. that will sort it out..

Why is there a crisis with homeless, child poverty, and underfunded NHS? Ahh yes, due to 9 years of Conservative government. These will only continue to get progressively worse should the Tories be foolishly voted back in.

Our only hope is a Corbyn led Labour Government. We'd be so much better off now had he won the 2017 election.

Ha ha deluded
Austerity caused by the labour government in 2010
That left the conservative party to govern the uk that was financialy ruined when they took over
Just like every labour government has done since the 1940s

Pretty sure Labour wasnt responsible for the 2008 worldwide financial crisis.
Since the 40s? Yeah thats complete bullshit, name 1 country besides america that wasnt fucked after the war.

It would cost 1.5 billion paid for by drivers they say
Not in thier manifesto or costed just like the near 60 billion for the waspi women
These giveaways are pie in the sky
They are just aiming at the groups they think will fall for for thier lies
Ie the 16 to 24 year olds and hard done by wospi women
The biggest problem with all these free policies other than they are not remotly financially possible
Is that they are for everyone especially the well.off who actualy can afford these things anyway
As an example teresa may qualifies as a wospi women and would get £22 thousand in compensation
Surely these freebies should be means tested if they were to be considered as feesable

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

I thought there was a crisis with the homeless , child poverty , and the NHS underfunded...?
but I know. lets spend money on subsidising rail fares , tuition fees and give free broadband. that will sort it out..

Why is there a crisis with homeless, child poverty, and underfunded NHS? Ahh yes, due to 9 years of Conservative government. These will only continue to get progressively worse should the Tories be foolishly voted back in.

Our only hope is a Corbyn led Labour Government. We'd be so much better off now had he won the 2017 election.

Child Poverty in UK ? "ffs" - more like selfish irresponsible bad budgeting parents (booze, fags,Loans,etc,etc)

Jesus,a new low in ignorance.

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

I thought there was a crisis with the homeless , child poverty , and the NHS underfunded...?
but I know. lets spend money on subsidising rail fares , tuition fees and give free broadband. that will sort it out..

Why is there a crisis with homeless, child poverty, and underfunded NHS? Ahh yes, due to 9 years of Conservative government. These will only continue to get progressively worse should the Tories be foolishly voted back in.

Our only hope is a Corbyn led Labour Government. We'd be so much better off now had he won the 2017 election.

Child Poverty in UK ? "ffs" - more like selfish irresponsible bad budgeting parents (booze, fags,Loans,etc,etc)

Jesus,a new low in ignorance.

Just like a true Tory

So those of us who drive will pay for cheaper rail fares for middle class commuters, in the SE of Englandshire. What kind of socialism is that.

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

I thought there was a crisis with the homeless , child poverty , and the NHS underfunded...?
but I know. lets spend money on subsidising rail fares , tuition fees and give free broadband. that will sort it out..

Why is there a crisis with homeless, child poverty, and underfunded NHS? Ahh yes, due to 9 years of Conservative government. These will only continue to get progressively worse should the Tories be foolishly voted back in.

Our only hope is a Corbyn led Labour Government. We'd be so much better off now had he won the 2017 election.

Child Poverty in UK ? "ffs" - more like selfish irresponsible bad budgeting parents (booze, fags,Loans,etc,etc)

Jesus,a new low in ignorance.

Just like a true Tory

I have a relative with three children who consider themselves to be in the poverty bracket. They still have the full Sky package, Netflix and both smoke. I am not saying that they do not fall into the official definition of poverty, but one person's idea of poverty may not be the same as another person. I never considered myself as poverty stricken when I was a kid, but listening to the modern generation, perhaps I was.

First it was free tuition fees ,that hasn't worked now 33percent of train fares ,next it will be free pint at football games that might work ,Corbyn makes it up as he goes along ,

I thought there was a crisis with the homeless , child poverty , and the NHS underfunded...?
but I know. lets spend money on subsidising rail fares , tuition fees and give free broadband. that will sort it out..

Why is there a crisis with homeless, child poverty, and underfunded NHS? Ahh yes, due to 9 years of Conservative government. These will only continue to get progressively worse should the Tories be foolishly voted back in.

Our only hope is a Corbyn led Labour Government. We'd be so much better off now had he won the 2017 election.

Child Poverty in UK ? "ffs" - more like selfish irresponsible bad budgeting parents (booze, fags,Loans,etc,etc)

Jesus,a new low in ignorance.

you can not have this all ends up, its either a very big problem... problem number 1,2,3 and 56
or you can spend money on broadband, rail fares, tuition fees, free brothels full of abbott lookalikes or whatever else last nights dream was about.

Cannot believe how many people on this thread actually think the tories have done a good job the last 9 years

Also cannot believe how many people blame labour for austerity which was introduced by the tories out of choice not necessity I might add

The 2008 banking crisis caused the crash not the labour government for starters and had they not bailed out RBS northern rock and the like the economic disaster would have been 10 times what it was

It’s also worth noting that neither Germany or France resorted to austerity despite facing a similar situation in 2008 and their economies grew much faster through 2010-2015 than our austerity ridden one, why you might ask? Because it’s proven in economics that you can’t cut your way out a of recession encouraging consumer spending and investing in public services is what is needed even if you have to borrow more to do so

We are 9 years on and I’m sure the tories would have people believe still the cuts were needed and that brexit has caused the glum growth in the economy the last 9 years when in actual fact between 2008-2010 under labour after the economic crash our growth outstripped both Europe and the United States then austerity and bang we are miles behind again

It’s also worth noting that many public sector jobs have been cut during their tenure and its widely renknowned that most public sector workers earn close to average or above UK salaries or did in 2010 (pay cap since) and by cutting those jobs in the hundreds of thousands that they have the last 9 years has also massively impacted the economy as those jobs tend to have people who have a relatively reasonable disposable income, disposable income being spent who’s have thought helps boost the economy no spenders who’s have thought a much weaker economy

I could go on all day about economics theories and practical examples

Simple fact is the wealth gap has increased around 8-10% in the last 10 years between the rich and the poor if anyone expect that’s to change of the NHS to improve or unemployment to improve (I don’t mean stupid zero hour contracts currently used to mask the figures either) then you cannot vote Tory

If you also are making your vote purely on brexit then whilst I under stand your frustration I voted leave by the way I cannot and will not vote purely on brexit as this decision is not about brexit it is about who will put more value in the country the next 5 years and that is certainly not a Tory government

This government has not mentioned one positive that they have brought to the country during this campaign ask yourself why ??

How can a party who have been in power 9 years fail to show off their achievements???

BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ACHIEVEMENTS AT ALL APRT FROM

MORE FOOD BANKS
POOR ECONOMIC GROWTH
FAILURE TO DELIVER BREXIT
WEALTH GAP INCREASED
POLICE OFFICERS CUT
FIREFIGHTERS CUT
NURSES CUT
DOCTORS CUT
NHS CONTRACTS OFFERED OUT
ADDED 1.2TRN TO NATIONAL DEBT MORE THAN ANY LABOUR GOVERNMENT SINCE RECORDS BEGAN
PUBLIC SECTOR PAY CAP 9 years and counting
AWARDED ALL MPS 11% PAY RISE
CUT DISABILITY ALLOWANCE
INTRODUCED BEDROOM TAX

I’m sure people can add plenty more that’s off the top of my head

Cannot believe how many people on this thread actually think the tories have done a good job the last 9 years

Also cannot believe how many people blame labour for austerity which was introduced by the tories out of choice not necessity I might add

The 2008 banking crisis caused the crash not the labour government for starters and had they not bailed out RBS northern rock and the like the economic disaster would have been 10 times what it was

It’s also worth noting that neither Germany or France resorted to austerity despite facing a similar situation in 2008 and their economies grew much faster through 2010-2015 than our austerity ridden one, why you might ask? Because it’s proven in economics that you can’t cut your way out a of recession encouraging consumer spending and investing in public services is what is needed even if you have to borrow more to do so

We are 9 years on and I’m sure the tories would have people believe still the cuts were needed and that brexit has caused the glum growth in the economy the last 9 years when in actual fact between 2008-2010 under labour after the economic crash our growth outstripped both Europe and the United States then austerity and bang we are miles behind again

It’s also worth noting that many public sector jobs have been cut during their tenure and its widely renknowned that most public sector workers earn close to average or above UK salaries or did in 2010 (pay cap since) and by cutting those jobs in the hundreds of thousands that they have the last 9 years has also massively impacted the economy as those jobs tend to have people who have a relatively reasonable disposable income, disposable income being spent who’s have thought helps boost the economy no spenders who’s have thought a much weaker economy

I could go on all day about economics theories and practical examples

Simple fact is the wealth gap has increased around 8-10% in the last 10 years between the rich and the poor if anyone expect that’s to change of the NHS to improve or unemployment to improve (I don’t mean stupid zero hour contracts currently used to mask the figures either) then you cannot vote Tory

If you also are making your vote purely on brexit then whilst I under stand your frustration I voted leave by the way I cannot and will not vote purely on brexit as this decision is not about brexit it is about who will put more value in the country the next 5 years and that is certainly not a Tory government

This government has not mentioned one positive that they have brought to the country during this campaign ask yourself why ??

How can a party who have been in power 9 years fail to show off their achievements???

BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ACHIEVEMENTS AT ALL APRT FROM

MORE FOOD BANKS
POOR ECONOMIC GROWTH
FAILURE TO DELIVER BREXIT
WEALTH GAP INCREASED
POLICE OFFICERS CUT
FIREFIGHTERS CUT
NURSES CUT
DOCTORS CUT
NHS CONTRACTS OFFERED OUT
ADDED 1.2TRN TO NATIONAL DEBT MORE THAN ANY LABOUR GOVERNMENT SINCE RECORDS BEGAN
PUBLIC SECTOR PAY CAP 9 years and counting
AWARDED ALL MPS 11% PAY RISE
CUT DISABILITY ALLOWANCE
INTRODUCED BEDROOM TAX

I’m sure people can add plenty more that’s off the top of my head

Your second line tickled me.Only this week Boris said to the nation that he didn't agree with austerity and told the then government.All that makes him not responsible in his view for that list.

Cannot believe how many people on this thread actually think the tories have done a good job the last 9 years

Also cannot believe how many people blame labour for austerity which was introduced by the tories out of choice not necessity I might add

The 2008 banking crisis caused the crash not the labour government for starters and had they not bailed out RBS northern rock and the like the economic disaster would have been 10 times what it was

It’s also worth noting that neither Germany or France resorted to austerity despite facing a similar situation in 2008 and their economies grew much faster through 2010-2015 than our austerity ridden one, why you might ask? Because it’s proven in economics that you can’t cut your way out a of recession encouraging consumer spending and investing in public services is what is needed even if you have to borrow more to do so

We are 9 years on and I’m sure the tories would have people believe still the cuts were needed and that brexit has caused the glum growth in the economy the last 9 years when in actual fact between 2008-2010 under labour after the economic crash our growth outstripped both Europe and the United States then austerity and bang we are miles behind again

It’s also worth noting that many public sector jobs have been cut during their tenure and its widely renknowned that most public sector workers earn close to average or above UK salaries or did in 2010 (pay cap since) and by cutting those jobs in the hundreds of thousands that they have the last 9 years has also massively impacted the economy as those jobs tend to have people who have a relatively reasonable disposable income, disposable income being spent who’s have thought helps boost the economy no spenders who’s have thought a much weaker economy

I could go on all day about economics theories and practical examples

Simple fact is the wealth gap has increased around 8-10% in the last 10 years between the rich and the poor if anyone expect that’s to change of the NHS to improve or unemployment to improve (I don’t mean stupid zero hour contracts currently used to mask the figures either) then you cannot vote Tory

If you also are making your vote purely on brexit then whilst I under stand your frustration I voted leave by the way I cannot and will not vote purely on brexit as this decision is not about brexit it is about who will put more value in the country the next 5 years and that is certainly not a Tory government

This government has not mentioned one positive that they have brought to the country during this campaign ask yourself why ??

How can a party who have been in power 9 years fail to show off their achievements???

BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ACHIEVEMENTS AT ALL APRT FROM

MORE FOOD BANKS
POOR ECONOMIC GROWTH
FAILURE TO DELIVER BREXIT
WEALTH GAP INCREASED
POLICE OFFICERS CUT
FIREFIGHTERS CUT
NURSES CUT
DOCTORS CUT
NHS CONTRACTS OFFERED OUT
ADDED 1.2TRN TO NATIONAL DEBT MORE THAN ANY LABOUR GOVERNMENT SINCE RECORDS BEGAN
PUBLIC SECTOR PAY CAP 9 years and counting
AWARDED ALL MPS 11% PAY RISE
CUT DISABILITY ALLOWANCE
INTRODUCED BEDROOM TAX

I’m sure people can add plenty more that’s off the top of my head

so the answer to all those capital letters is
cheap rail fares
free rail travel for under 16s
and high fibre broadband.
there are about 6 hundred other promises he has made as well.

no I don't think the torys have done a good job by a normal yardstick.
but whats on offer is just silly and its unaffordable. debt is never labours fault but you only have to look at the manifesto to know that in 4 years the country will be a financial mess...no doubt youll find something new to blame though..

its very very simple...there just is not the money.
labours record on priority and balancing books isn't great..
but this fella sounds like he came down in the last shower

Gordon Brown Did not exactly help much when the banking crisis hit. Don't usually copy and paste, but below is a bit from The Guardian. Could write a whole book on what was a complicated matter, but Brown had changed the way our banks were regulated. He is not entirely blameless when we discuss the near collapse of our banks.


"It was the watchdog that didn't bark. When the Financial Services Authority (FSA) was created in its current form by Gordon Brown, it was modelled on the all-powerful US regulators, but it is likely that it will be remembered for only thing: presiding over the near-meltdown of the UK's banking system".

Cannot believe how many people on this thread actually think the tories have done a good job the last 9 years

Also cannot believe how many people blame labour for austerity which was introduced by the tories out of choice not necessity I might add

The 2008 banking crisis caused the crash not the labour government for starters and had they not bailed out RBS northern rock and the like the economic disaster would have been 10 times what it was

It’s also worth noting that neither Germany or France resorted to austerity despite facing a similar situation in 2008 and their economies grew much faster through 2010-2015 than our austerity ridden one, why you might ask? Because it’s proven in economics that you can’t cut your way out a of recession encouraging consumer spending and investing in public services is what is needed even if you have to borrow more to do so

We are 9 years on and I’m sure the tories would have people believe still the cuts were needed and that brexit has caused the glum growth in the economy the last 9 years when in actual fact between 2008-2010 under labour after the economic crash our growth outstripped both Europe and the United States then austerity and bang we are miles behind again

It’s also worth noting that many public sector jobs have been cut during their tenure and its widely renknowned that most public sector workers earn close to average or above UK salaries or did in 2010 (pay cap since) and by cutting those jobs in the hundreds of thousands that they have the last 9 years has also massively impacted the economy as those jobs tend to have people who have a relatively reasonable disposable income, disposable income being spent who’s have thought helps boost the economy no spenders who’s have thought a much weaker economy

I could go on all day about economics theories and practical examples

Simple fact is the wealth gap has increased around 8-10% in the last 10 years between the rich and the poor if anyone expect that’s to change of the NHS to improve or unemployment to improve (I don’t mean stupid zero hour contracts currently used to mask the figures either) then you cannot vote Tory

If you also are making your vote purely on brexit then whilst I under stand your frustration I voted leave by the way I cannot and will not vote purely on brexit as this decision is not about brexit it is about who will put more value in the country the next 5 years and that is certainly not a Tory government

This government has not mentioned one positive that they have brought to the country during this campaign ask yourself why ??

How can a party who have been in power 9 years fail to show off their achievements???

BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ACHIEVEMENTS AT ALL APRT FROM

MORE FOOD BANKS
POOR ECONOMIC GROWTH
FAILURE TO DELIVER BREXIT
WEALTH GAP INCREASED
POLICE OFFICERS CUT
FIREFIGHTERS CUT
NURSES CUT
DOCTORS CUT
NHS CONTRACTS OFFERED OUT
ADDED 1.2TRN TO NATIONAL DEBT MORE THAN ANY LABOUR GOVERNMENT SINCE RECORDS BEGAN
PUBLIC SECTOR PAY CAP 9 years and counting
AWARDED ALL MPS 11% PAY RISE
CUT DISABILITY ALLOWANCE
INTRODUCED BEDROOM TAX

I’m sure people can add plenty more that’s off the top of my head

so the answer to all those capital letters is
cheap rail fares
free rail travel for under 16s
and high fibre broadband.
there are about 6 hundred other promises he has made as well.

no I don't think the torys have done a good job by a normal yardstick.
but whats on offer is just silly and its unaffordable. debt is never labours fault but you only have to look at the manifesto to know that in 4 years the country will be a financial mess...no doubt youll find something new to blame though..

its very very simple...there just is not the money.
labours record on priority and balancing books isn't great..
but this fella sounds like he came down in the last shower

Got to laugh NO BREXIT BECAUSE LABOUR OBJECTED! WAG BIG PAY RISE LABOUR CONTROLLED! NURSES NOT CUT NATURAL WASTAGE MORE LEAVE THAN JOIN! SAME FOR DOCTORS! ECONOMIC GROWTH UP AND DOWN DEPENDS ON WHEN YOU CALCULATE IT! Could go on but get the drift? not sure how country can afford the 150billion+ give away announced by Corbyn? Oh musnt forget trident? just keep 4 nuclear subs in mothballs as wont use their weapons hate to think of the cost doing that..

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Cannot believe how many people on this thread actually think the tories have done a good job the last 9 years

Also cannot believe how many people blame labour for austerity which was introduced by the tories out of choice not necessity I might add

The 2008 banking crisis caused the crash not the labour government for starters and had they not bailed out RBS northern rock and the like the economic disaster would have been 10 times what it was

It’s also worth noting that neither Germany or France resorted to austerity despite facing a similar situation in 2008 and their economies grew much faster through 2010-2015 than our austerity ridden one, why you might ask? Because it’s proven in economics that you can’t cut your way out a of recession encouraging consumer spending and investing in public services is what is needed even if you have to borrow more to do so

We are 9 years on and I’m sure the tories would have people believe still the cuts were needed and that brexit has caused the glum growth in the economy the last 9 years when in actual fact between 2008-2010 under labour after the economic crash our growth outstripped both Europe and the United States then austerity and bang we are miles behind again

It’s also worth noting that many public sector jobs have been cut during their tenure and its widely renknowned that most public sector workers earn close to average or above UK salaries or did in 2010 (pay cap since) and by cutting those jobs in the hundreds of thousands that they have the last 9 years has also massively impacted the economy as those jobs tend to have people who have a relatively reasonable disposable income, disposable income being spent who’s have thought helps boost the economy no spenders who’s have thought a much weaker economy

I could go on all day about economics theories and practical examples

Simple fact is the wealth gap has increased around 8-10% in the last 10 years between the rich and the poor if anyone expect that’s to change of the NHS to improve or unemployment to improve (I don’t mean stupid zero hour contracts currently used to mask the figures either) then you cannot vote Tory

If you also are making your vote purely on brexit then whilst I under stand your frustration I voted leave by the way I cannot and will not vote purely on brexit as this decision is not about brexit it is about who will put more value in the country the next 5 years and that is certainly not a Tory government

This government has not mentioned one positive that they have brought to the country during this campaign ask yourself why ??

How can a party who have been in power 9 years fail to show off their achievements???

BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ACHIEVEMENTS AT ALL APRT FROM

MORE FOOD BANKS
POOR ECONOMIC GROWTH
FAILURE TO DELIVER BREXIT
WEALTH GAP INCREASED
POLICE OFFICERS CUT
FIREFIGHTERS CUT
NURSES CUT
DOCTORS CUT
NHS CONTRACTS OFFERED OUT
ADDED 1.2TRN TO NATIONAL DEBT MORE THAN ANY LABOUR GOVERNMENT SINCE RECORDS BEGAN
PUBLIC SECTOR PAY CAP 9 years and counting
AWARDED ALL MPS 11% PAY RISE
CUT DISABILITY ALLOWANCE
INTRODUCED BEDROOM TAX

I’m sure people can add plenty more that’s off the top of my head

Your second line tickled me.Only this week Boris said to the nation that he didn't agree with austerity and told the then government.All that makes him not responsible in his view for that list.

Of course he would say that now Cos his plans include re hiring the jobs his government cut last two terms

Cannot believe how many people on this thread actually think the tories have done a good job the last 9 years

Also cannot believe how many people blame labour for austerity which was introduced by the tories out of choice not necessity I might add

The 2008 banking crisis caused the crash not the labour government for starters and had they not bailed out RBS northern rock and the like the economic disaster would have been 10 times what it was

It’s also worth noting that neither Germany or France resorted to austerity despite facing a similar situation in 2008 and their economies grew much faster through 2010-2015 than our austerity ridden one, why you might ask? Because it’s proven in economics that you can’t cut your way out a of recession encouraging consumer spending and investing in public services is what is needed even if you have to borrow more to do so

We are 9 years on and I’m sure the tories would have people believe still the cuts were needed and that brexit has caused the glum growth in the economy the last 9 years when in actual fact between 2008-2010 under labour after the economic crash our growth outstripped both Europe and the United States then austerity and bang we are miles behind again

It’s also worth noting that many public sector jobs have been cut during their tenure and its widely renknowned that most public sector workers earn close to average or above UK salaries or did in 2010 (pay cap since) and by cutting those jobs in the hundreds of thousands that they have the last 9 years has also massively impacted the economy as those jobs tend to have people who have a relatively reasonable disposable income, disposable income being spent who’s have thought helps boost the economy no spenders who’s have thought a much weaker economy

I could go on all day about economics theories and practical examples

Simple fact is the wealth gap has increased around 8-10% in the last 10 years between the rich and the poor if anyone expect that’s to change of the NHS to improve or unemployment to improve (I don’t mean stupid zero hour contracts currently used to mask the figures either) then you cannot vote Tory

If you also are making your vote purely on brexit then whilst I under stand your frustration I voted leave by the way I cannot and will not vote purely on brexit as this decision is not about brexit it is about who will put more value in the country the next 5 years and that is certainly not a Tory government

This government has not mentioned one positive that they have brought to the country during this campaign ask yourself why ??

How can a party who have been in power 9 years fail to show off their achievements???

BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ACHIEVEMENTS AT ALL APRT FROM

MORE FOOD BANKS
POOR ECONOMIC GROWTH
FAILURE TO DELIVER BREXIT
WEALTH GAP INCREASED
POLICE OFFICERS CUT
FIREFIGHTERS CUT
NURSES CUT
DOCTORS CUT
NHS CONTRACTS OFFERED OUT
ADDED 1.2TRN TO NATIONAL DEBT MORE THAN ANY LABOUR GOVERNMENT SINCE RECORDS BEGAN
PUBLIC SECTOR PAY CAP 9 years and counting
AWARDED ALL MPS 11% PAY RISE
CUT DISABILITY ALLOWANCE
INTRODUCED BEDROOM TAX

I’m sure people can add plenty more that’s off the top of my head

so the answer to all those capital letters is
cheap rail fares
free rail travel for under 16s
and high fibre broadband.
there are about 6 hundred other promises he has made as well.

no I don't think the torys have done a good job by a normal yardstick.
but whats on offer is just silly and its unaffordable. debt is never labours fault but you only have to look at the manifesto to know that in 4 years the country will be a financial mess...no doubt youll find something new to blame though..

its very very simple...there just is not the money.
labours record on priority and balancing books isn't great..
but this fella sounds like he came down in the last shower

Got to laugh NO BREXIT BECAUSE LABOUR OBJECTED! WAG BIG PAY RISE LABOUR CONTROLLED! NURSES NOT CUT NATURAL WASTAGE MORE LEAVE THAN JOIN! SAME FOR DOCTORS! ECONOMIC GROWTH UP AND DOWN DEPENDS ON WHEN YOU CALCULATE IT! Could go on but get the drift? not sure how country can afford the 150billion+ give away announced by Corbyn? Oh musnt forget trident? just keep 4 nuclear subs in mothballs as wont use their weapons hate to think of the cost doing that..

More than just labour have gone against brexit, across all parties it is shameful

But it was the Tory government who came up with the idea and put it to vote was it not?

I want out as I said but looking back if the pig lover wasn’t such an arrogant tosser who thought he knew the public the brexit mess which now threatens to ruin the election would not exist and more people would be voting on policy than brexit which unfortunately is exactly what is going to happen

I’m Pretty sure nurses have had their bursaries removed which is probably why you’ll find most leave along with the pay cap, I’d need to double check that though but if memory serves correctly I’m sure the bursaries have been removed

I gave you a 5 years example of growth the reason why you can’t cut your way through a recession this is the opinion of most highly regarded economists and proven to be effective as in post war times when national debt and GDP was through the roof job creation spending on infrastructure are what brought about strength and the eventual bring down of the debt not stifling the economy towards disaster

I have not said anywhere I agree with Corbyns policy, a lot of his policy has merits do I think kids need free rail fare not really would that encourage people to use public transport more probably can non public owned transport cope right now no so overall currently it’s not a great idea

Could the money he wants to put into the things you mention be used better elsewhere, yes I believe it could NHS and social care for a start, the NHS also needs a full overhaul far too much money is wasted in government

My overall point is that the tories do not want to do any of this stuff they will say it just to remain in power, I’m yet to see a single surplus on the deficit in the 9 years they have been in power they promised that they would get the debt in line through cuts in actual fact all they have done is raise unemployment collect less taxes and cut public services to the brink and in that time increase national debt more than all governments until 2010 combined that’s some going for a government that said the public service cuts were essential to putting public finances back in order. Had they made some surpluses yearly I’d argue it’s a job well done the fact is they made not one and debt has gone from £900m to £2.2trillion in their time in office, homelessness is up food bank use is up and real wages are lower than they have been at any point in the last 15 years if that’s 9 years to be proud of then and something you want for another 4 years then please vote away

For a country to be supposedly the 5th richest in the world to have millions of people visiting a food bank every week is an utter disgrace and that is down to government policy in most cases granted I’d imagine some cases are people and their own priorities but not everyone will choose fags and booze over rent and food

Millions visiting food banks every week? That can't be accurate...tens of thousands maybe?

I think food banks a better more efficient way of helping the destitute