Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:55 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Jock wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:epping blue wrote:theclaw wrote:I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.
Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.
Is that the same conservatives who have been in charge for the entirety of the brexit negotiations? Or is that the same conservatives who could've 'delivered' brexit but rejected Mays deal (including phalafel Johnson) to only now have her deal but surrendering on every positive?
Or is it the same conservatives who won't even work out the cost of their brexit deal because they don't care about you, only their money?
Or do you have thing for being Russia's plaything and want to add to a near decade of poverty and austerity by having nearly half a decade more of it just to get through brexit that will have.... More job losses and poverty before getting F'd by America in a trade deal? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.
Mays deal kept us in the Customs Union, just as the one Corbyn is proposing would, so it was not what 17.5m voted for.
I asked you previously which Corbyn you preferred, the one who promised to smash the EU which he called a bankers Europe that harms the socialist cause. Or the new Jezza that wants to give us a choice between staying in the EU or staying in the EU with no voting rights?
Apologies for forgetting to reply last time.
If he's changed his mind then I'm fine with that. If he hasn't but has decided that the best thing for labour/the country is to ask whether we want to stay with clear options (as you can't say all 17.5 million people wanted to leave the customs union) then I'm fine with that. Even farage has gone from wanting a Norway style deal to no deal to wanting a second referendum so if he can't make up his mind then I'm not going to slate someone for changing there's or deciding to do what's best for his party.
Plus he hasn't negotiated anything so I can't read too much into his plans
Not sure why the 17.5m people who voted to leave would expect us to remain in the customs union. The leaflet sent to every household in the UK stated what would happen and the fact there would be no access to the single market. We all had access to the information clearly presented to us by the government who hoped and expected a comfortable win for the remain camp. It should be remembered that the leaflet sent to all of us stated nothing other than a doom and gloom scenario if we voted in favour of Brexit. They only managed to fool less than half those who voted.
But that leaflet was dismissed as fake news so....
And a leaflet isn't law is it?
It wasn't dismissed as fake news in the run up to the referendum. Just so happened that enough people were not taken in by it when it came to voting.. Just as well as all the predictions of doom and gloom as to the outcome just by us voting to leave have still not come to fruition more than three years after the event. As I have said on here in the past, still waiting for that emergency budget to save our economy, the one that would be needed within weeks of a leave vote.
You do know that the government isn't ruling out an emergency budget so maybe you're a bit premature there.
Sadly enough people were taken in by the leave lies... No downsides? No job losses? Brexit dividends? Turkey's immediate joining? No hard border?
Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:57 pm
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:00 pm
dogfound wrote:Corbyn seems to want to turn the clock back to the day before Maggie took office...
its like he thinks he can go back and fix all the things that were wrong by doing them again..
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:23 pm
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:31 pm
theclaw wrote:I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:35 pm
Danny Says wrote:Why do the BBC fill a studio full of (young) anti conservatives, and show such disrespect to the Prime Minister and put in largely red herrings and questions which just do not address the real issues in this election?
Why won’t the BBC allow the PM to promote his manifesto and when he talks sense on Brexit and the economy he’s shouted down and interrupted. (Except for one last moment thankfully)
Boris Johnson should be applauded for not rising to such inflammatory and largely irrelevant hysterical outbursts.
Fiona Bruce has been appalling and atypical of the BBC; the average age of this leftist audience is such an imbalance of the nation.
Woe betide the electorate at large take notice of this absolute anti Tory propaganda.
The BBC have never forgiven the Tories for precipitating Brexit. The BBC are so left wing it’s cringing and unwittingly therefore are promoting a Marxist revolution which would ruin the country which would be ruinous.
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:36 pm
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:37 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Jock wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:epping blue wrote:theclaw wrote:I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.
Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.
Is that the same conservatives who have been in charge for the entirety of the brexit negotiations? Or is that the same conservatives who could've 'delivered' brexit but rejected Mays deal (including phalafel Johnson) to only now have her deal but surrendering on every positive?
Or is it the same conservatives who won't even work out the cost of their brexit deal because they don't care about you, only their money?
Or do you have thing for being Russia's plaything and want to add to a near decade of poverty and austerity by having nearly half a decade more of it just to get through brexit that will have.... More job losses and poverty before getting F'd by America in a trade deal? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.
Mays deal kept us in the Customs Union, just as the one Corbyn is proposing would, so it was not what 17.5m voted for.
I asked you previously which Corbyn you preferred, the one who promised to smash the EU which he called a bankers Europe that harms the socialist cause. Or the new Jezza that wants to give us a choice between staying in the EU or staying in the EU with no voting rights?
Apologies for forgetting to reply last time.
If he's changed his mind then I'm fine with that. If he hasn't but has decided that the best thing for labour/the country is to ask whether we want to stay with clear options (as you can't say all 17.5 million people wanted to leave the customs union) then I'm fine with that. Even farage has gone from wanting a Norway style deal to no deal to wanting a second referendum so if he can't make up his mind then I'm not going to slate someone for changing there's or deciding to do what's best for his party.
Plus he hasn't negotiated anything so I can't read too much into his plans
Not sure why the 17.5m people who voted to leave would expect us to remain in the customs union. The leaflet sent to every household in the UK stated what would happen and the fact there would be no access to the single market. We all had access to the information clearly presented to us by the government who hoped and expected a comfortable win for the remain camp. It should be remembered that the leaflet sent to all of us stated nothing other than a doom and gloom scenario if we voted in favour of Brexit. They only managed to fool less than half those who voted.
But that leaflet was dismissed as fake news so....
And a leaflet isn't law is it?
It wasn't dismissed as fake news in the run up to the referendum. Just so happened that enough people were not taken in by it when it came to voting.. Just as well as all the predictions of doom and gloom as to the outcome just by us voting to leave have still not come to fruition more than three years after the event. As I have said on here in the past, still waiting for that emergency budget to save our economy, the one that would be needed within weeks of a leave vote.
You do know that the government isn't ruling out an emergency budget so maybe you're a bit premature there.
Sadly enough people were taken in by the leave lies... No downsides? No job losses? Brexit dividends? Turkey's immediate joining? No hard border?
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:52 pm
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:53 pm
welshrarebit wrote:in the wider social media world I've not seen one hateful post about labour supporters and voters. Sure. Seen many that vehemently disagree with them and I count myself as one of them.
But the bile and vitriol spewed against conservative supporters is insane. Cunts. Scum. Bastards. Selfish fucks.
To people voting conservative from valley areas .... Scummy class sell outs
Many of these comments come from people I've often thought of as friends.
Is this really how these people think their viewpoints will be accepted and embraced? By abusing people??
Also. I find it hilarious that I see many telling all of us we should be happy to pay more and more tax ... Yet they are the first ones asking on Facebook for tax advise on reducing their tax burden. Can't make it up.
Oh. Churchill first adopted the NHS as mainstream government policy!!!!!!!
Sorry. I'm slightly irritated this evening!
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:53 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Jock wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:epping blue wrote:theclaw wrote:I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.
Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.
Is that the same conservatives who have been in charge for the entirety of the brexit negotiations? Or is that the same conservatives who could've 'delivered' brexit but rejected Mays deal (including phalafel Johnson) to only now have her deal but surrendering on every positive?
Or is it the same conservatives who won't even work out the cost of their brexit deal because they don't care about you, only their money?
Or do you have thing for being Russia's plaything and want to add to a near decade of poverty and austerity by having nearly half a decade more of it just to get through brexit that will have.... More job losses and poverty before getting F'd by America in a trade deal? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.
Mays deal kept us in the Customs Union, just as the one Corbyn is proposing would, so it was not what 17.5m voted for.
I asked you previously which Corbyn you preferred, the one who promised to smash the EU which he called a bankers Europe that harms the socialist cause. Or the new Jezza that wants to give us a choice between staying in the EU or staying in the EU with no voting rights?
Apologies for forgetting to reply last time.
If he's changed his mind then I'm fine with that. If he hasn't but has decided that the best thing for labour/the country is to ask whether we want to stay with clear options (as you can't say all 17.5 million people wanted to leave the customs union) then I'm fine with that. Even farage has gone from wanting a Norway style deal to no deal to wanting a second referendum so if he can't make up his mind then I'm not going to slate someone for changing there's or deciding to do what's best for his party.
Plus he hasn't negotiated anything so I can't read too much into his plans
Not sure why the 17.5m people who voted to leave would expect us to remain in the customs union. The leaflet sent to every household in the UK stated what would happen and the fact there would be no access to the single market. We all had access to the information clearly presented to us by the government who hoped and expected a comfortable win for the remain camp. It should be remembered that the leaflet sent to all of us stated nothing other than a doom and gloom scenario if we voted in favour of Brexit. They only managed to fool less than half those who voted.
But that leaflet was dismissed as fake news so....
And a leaflet isn't law is it?
Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:02 pm
Danny Says wrote:welshrarebit wrote:in the wider social media world I've not seen one hateful post about labour supporters and voters. Sure. Seen many that vehemently disagree with them and I count myself as one of them.
But the bile and vitriol spewed against conservative supporters is insane. Cunts. Scum. Bastards. Selfish fucks.
To people voting conservative from valley areas .... Scummy class sell outs
Many of these comments come from people I've often thought of as friends.
Is this really how these people think their viewpoints will be accepted and embraced? By abusing people??
Also. I find it hilarious that I see many telling all of us we should be happy to pay more and more tax ... Yet they are the first ones asking on Facebook for tax advise on reducing their tax burden. Can't make it up.
Oh. Churchill first adopted the NHS as mainstream government policy!!!!!!!
Sorry. I'm slightly irritated this evening!
Why apologise?
Labour supporters who are moderate I can take (but disagree with them) but the hypocrites who blindly support this Labour under Corbyn without understanding the Marxist ideology or who do but glibly ignore it hoping it won’t come to fruition, make my blood boil.
Surely the electorate won’t fall for this?
BTW BJ was superb tonight not rising to the BBC left wing under 30 audience under the spell of one of their champagne socialist commentators and getting his point across when permitted at the end
Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:11 pm
Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:13 pm
ElyBoy1984 wrote:Danny Says wrote:welshrarebit wrote:in the wider social media world I've not seen one hateful post about labour supporters and voters. Sure. Seen many that vehemently disagree with them and I count myself as one of them.
But the bile and vitriol spewed against conservative supporters is insane. Cunts. Scum. Bastards. Selfish fucks.
To people voting conservative from valley areas .... Scummy class sell outs
Many of these comments come from people I've often thought of as friends.
Is this really how these people think their viewpoints will be accepted and embraced? By abusing people??
Also. I find it hilarious that I see many telling all of us we should be happy to pay more and more tax ... Yet they are the first ones asking on Facebook for tax advise on reducing their tax burden. Can't make it up.
Oh. Churchill first adopted the NHS as mainstream government policy!!!!!!!
Sorry. I'm slightly irritated this evening!
Why apologise?
Labour supporters who are moderate I can take (but disagree with them) but the hypocrites who blindly support this Labour under Corbyn without understanding the Marxist ideology or who do but glibly ignore it hoping it won’t come to fruition, make my blood boil.
Surely the electorate won’t fall for this?
BTW BJ was superb tonight not rising to the BBC left wing under 30 audience under the spell of one of their champagne socialist commentators and getting his point across when permitted at the end
I'm starting to go off Boris, mainly due to his terrible Brexit deal and ambivilance over mass immigration, i read the other day that our tax burden is the highest since the 1970s, so, he's not really Conservative to me.
He was given a hard time by the audience tonight though. I wonder which BBC employee hand picked a crowd of millenial activists...
Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:33 pm
welshrarebit wrote:I'd blame may and Hammond for the tax rather than Boris. I'd be prepared to give him a chance to.balls things up before blaming him for things others did.
If Corbyn isn't allowed to be blamed for what labour did under Blair then Boris should have the same courtesy
Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:46 pm
ElyBoy1984 wrote:welshrarebit wrote:I'd blame may and Hammond for the tax rather than Boris. I'd be prepared to give him a chance to.balls things up before blaming him for things others did.
If Corbyn isn't allowed to be blamed for what labour did under Blair then Boris should have the same courtesy
Boris is pledging to spend loads and hardly touch tax...He's looking more like a Tory version of Blair to me...Part of me wants Corbyn to get in, i'm no fan of Marxism but There will be 3 positives of Corbyn.
1) He will challenge global bankers who own our democracy and caused mass casualties in the 2 world wars, they will probably react to Corbyn as PM by bullying Britain into economic submission, in doing so will exspose who they are, and how much we are enslaved to them.
2) Corbyn's Marxism will be the short sharp shock the youngsters need. It won't be pretty but will lance the marxist boyle for a good 30 years. The alternative is trundling along into globalism & marxism-lite for 20 years under corporate puppets like Boris.
3) Corbyn will exspose just how much Isreal influences American foriegn policy and as a consequence. Our foriegn policy.
I find it a sad reflection on our democracy that mass immigration is a high priority to voters but those in control side line the issue almost completely. I'm fed up of the whole system.
Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:47 pm
Danny Says wrote:ElyBoy1984 wrote:Danny Says wrote:welshrarebit wrote:in the wider social media world I've not seen one hateful post about labour supporters and voters. Sure. Seen many that vehemently disagree with them and I count myself as one of them.
But the bile and vitriol spewed against conservative supporters is insane. Cunts. Scum. Bastards. Selfish fucks.
To people voting conservative from valley areas .... Scummy class sell outs
Many of these comments come from people I've often thought of as friends.
Is this really how these people think their viewpoints will be accepted and embraced? By abusing people??
Also. I find it hilarious that I see many telling all of us we should be happy to pay more and more tax ... Yet they are the first ones asking on Facebook for tax advise on reducing their tax burden. Can't make it up.
Oh. Churchill first adopted the NHS as mainstream government policy!!!!!!!
Sorry. I'm slightly irritated this evening!
Why apologise?
Labour supporters who are moderate I can take (but disagree with them) but the hypocrites who blindly support this Labour under Corbyn without understanding the Marxist ideology or who do but glibly ignore it hoping it won’t come to fruition, make my blood boil.
Surely the electorate won’t fall for this?
BTW BJ was superb tonight not rising to the BBC left wing under 30 audience under the spell of one of their champagne socialist commentators and getting his point across when permitted at the end
I'm starting to go off Boris, mainly due to his terrible Brexit deal and ambivilance over mass immigration, i read the other day that our tax burden is the highest since the 1970s, so, he's not really Conservative to me.
He was given a hard time by the audience tonight though. I wonder which BBC employee hand picked a crowd of millenial activists...
BJ was magnificent tonight in the face of a hostile BBC hand picked group of millennium socialists.
Given your name if a dog was standing as the socialist candidate in your area, it’d get elected.
BTW Your info re tax is wrong and probably from the Daily Mirror.
Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:50 pm
Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:55 pm
Danny Says wrote:ElyBoy1984 wrote:welshrarebit wrote:I'd blame may and Hammond for the tax rather than Boris. I'd be prepared to give him a chance to.balls things up before blaming him for things others did.
If Corbyn isn't allowed to be blamed for what labour did under Blair then Boris should have the same courtesy
Boris is pledging to spend loads and hardly touch tax...He's looking more like a Tory version of Blair to me...Part of me wants Corbyn to get in, i'm no fan of Marxism but There will be 3 positives of Corbyn.
1) He will challenge global bankers who own our democracy and caused mass casualties in the 2 world wars, they will probably react to Corbyn as PM by bullying Britain into economic submission, in doing so will exspose who they are, and how much we are enslaved to them.
2) Corbyn's Marxism will be the short sharp shock the youngsters need. It won't be pretty but will lance the marxist boyle for a good 30 years. The alternative is trundling along into globalism & marxism-lite for 20 years under corporate puppets like Boris.
3) Corbyn will exspose just how much Isreal influences American foriegn policy and as a consequence. Our foriegn policy.
I find it a sad reflection on our democracy that mass immigration is a high priority to voters but those in control side line the issue almost completely. I'm fed up of the whole system.
Corbyn would decimate this country.
Your 3 points are crassly naive.
Thankfully the electorate as a whole aren’t that BBC hand picked bunch of leftist agitators.
Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:16 pm
Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:19 pm
Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:23 am
Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:43 am
Sven wrote:Have to say o just watched the Question Time debate and Corbyn was given a relatively easy time in comparison to Boris
'Plants' in the audience?
I don't know but I do think it's what this country's media are becoming...judge, jury and executioner
Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:38 am
theclaw wrote:I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.
Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:16 am
Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:31 am
Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:16 am
PlasticFantastic wrote:Anyone who votes Tory in Wales is f*cking deluded... They are the party of London bankers and global, elitists. Funded by rich Russians (much like a number of football clubs). Who love nothing more that seeing working populations putting them in power. Modern slave masters.
If you are happy being a slave, vote Tory.
I will be voting for a real change. Socialism gifted us the NHS. Socialism will save it. Anything else is a copout
Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:19 am
Danny Says wrote:Why do the BBC fill a studio full of (young) anti conservatives, and show such disrespect to the Prime Minister and put in largely red herrings and questions which just do not address the real issues in this election?
Why won’t the BBC allow the PM to promote his manifesto and when he talks sense on Brexit and the economy he’s shouted down and interrupted. (Except for one last moment thankfully)
Boris Johnson should be applauded for not rising to such inflammatory and largely irrelevant hysterical outbursts.
Fiona Bruce has been appalling and atypical of the BBC; the average age of this leftist audience is such an imbalance of the nation.
Woe betide the electorate at large take notice of this absolute anti Tory propaganda.
The BBC have never forgiven the Tories for precipitating Brexit. The BBC are so left wing it’s cringing and unwittingly therefore are promoting a Marxist revolution which would ruin the country which would be ruinous.
Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:31 am
Sausages wrote:theclaw wrote:I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.
People were sent to 2 world wars to protect our freedom + right to vote and you've got the nerve to say you "wasted" 10 minutes of your life.
Most disgraceful comment on the internet I've seen for a while. Reads like a Trump tweet.
If you were joking I apologize, but it doesn't come across as funny.
Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:33 am
Jock wrote:Danny Says wrote:Why do the BBC fill a studio full of (young) anti conservatives, and show such disrespect to the Prime Minister and put in largely red herrings and questions which just do not address the real issues in this election?
Why won’t the BBC allow the PM to promote his manifesto and when he talks sense on Brexit and the economy he’s shouted down and interrupted. (Except for one last moment thankfully)
Boris Johnson should be applauded for not rising to such inflammatory and largely irrelevant hysterical outbursts.
Fiona Bruce has been appalling and atypical of the BBC; the average age of this leftist audience is such an imbalance of the nation.
Woe betide the electorate at large take notice of this absolute anti Tory propaganda.
The BBC have never forgiven the Tories for precipitating Brexit. The BBC are so left wing it’s cringing and unwittingly therefore are promoting a Marxist revolution which would ruin the country which would be ruinous.
The audience was full of lefty plants who made life easy for Corbyn.
Scotland voted 55%-45% to remain in the U.K. but the seven Scots who asked “questions “ of Sturgeon were all Seperatist Natz scum, not one Unionist. Fiona Bruce struggles to hide her disgust at Johnson and is far from impartial.