OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

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Boris

I don’t understand the nationalization of railways argument. I’m a designer working for a railway company and the amount of investment and improvement has skyrocketed over the years. When we were nationalised we had little to no investment and saw multiple fatal crashes which were simply down to lack of maintenance because there was no money as it was nationalised.

How about gas electric and telecoms and the railways are doing really well and yes im 62 its the youngsters i feel sorry for no training student debts yes things are really good under the tories lol

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Be careful.. she got pegs for gnashers.

I don’t understand the nationalization of railways argument. I’m a designer working for a railway company and the amount of investment and improvement has skyrocketed over the years. When we were nationalised we had little to no investment and saw multiple fatal crashes which were simply down to lack of maintenance because there was no money as it was nationalised.

We are still giving millions in subsidies even though the companies running franchises are making profits.. but as we've seen virgin and another franchise gave up east coast because they couldn't get what they wanted from gvmnt! We are effectively paying twice for a service that is supposed to be privately run... prime example was arriva they did not buy one new piece of rolling stock in 15yrs what did they do with the money from wag?

Always voted Labour but could never vote for Corbyn.

Scary either of these idiots will be PM.

Jo Swinson's got cracking tits

I despair

I don’t understand the nationalization of railways argument. I’m a designer working for a railway company and the amount of investment and improvement has skyrocketed over the years. When we were nationalised we had little to no investment and saw multiple fatal crashes which were simply down to lack of maintenance because there was no money as it was nationalised.

If I recall the last time it was nationalised, besides the dreadful service, it was losing somewhere in the region of a quarter of a million pounds every day.

Corbyn

I don’t understand the nationalization of railways argument. I’m a designer working for a railway company and the amount of investment and improvement has skyrocketed over the years. When we were nationalised we had little to no investment and saw multiple fatal crashes which were simply down to lack of maintenance because there was no money as it was nationalised.

If I recall the last time it was nationalised, besides the dreadful service, it was losing somewhere in the region of a quarter of a million pounds every day.

yep..ancient rolling stock and as said general lack of investment and poorly run .. i think the amount of people using the railways says it own story ?

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Corbyn has faults for sure, but I believe he genuinely cares which is something that Johnson couldn't even spell never mind feel. I could never vote for Johnson and hate the way the media and others cosy up to him calling him Boris etc. He is NOT a lovable rogue, he is pure and simple a racist and is the most devious of a bunch of lying charlatans that are the "cabinet".

I say it again I could not and will never vote for a terrorist and racist person and Corbyn is one of them.

I would rather vote nobody.


I admit the choice is not good, but Corbyns evil beliefs will never change.

Corbyn has faults for sure, but I believe he genuinely cares which is something that Johnson couldn't even spell never mind feel. I could never vote for Johnson and hate the way the media and others cosy up to him calling him Boris etc. He is NOT a lovable rogue, he is pure and simple a racist and is the most devious of a bunch of lying charlatans that are the "cabinet".

its easy to pretend you care, but if you really care you have to prioritise the more important things over the less important..
besides anyone that can show so little compassion over things like the Brighton bomb and the lets kill kids in warington bomb cant be taken seriously as someone that cares , just doesnt add up...unless you try your very very hardest to make it work for you.....wicked nasty evil little man..

Isn’t Corbyn pushing for an open door immigration policy. That would be disastrous.

I don’t understand the nationalization of railways argument. I’m a designer working for a railway company and the amount of investment and improvement has skyrocketed over the years. When we were nationalised we had little to no investment and saw multiple fatal crashes which were simply down to lack of maintenance because there was no money as it was nationalised.

If I recall the last time it was nationalised, besides the dreadful service, it was losing somewhere in the region of a quarter of a million pounds every day.

yep..ancient rolling stock and as said general lack of investment and poorly run .. i think the amount of people using the railways says it own story ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_tran ... 0-2015.png

Interesting graph. I suppose passenger numbers were bound to go down when it was nationalised, they were on strike so often passengers had no option but to use other forms of transport. BL were another example of nationalisation. On strike regularly, and when they actually worked from time to time, produced crap vehicles.

I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.

Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.

Is that the same conservatives who have been in charge for the entirety of the brexit negotiations? Or is that the same conservatives who could've 'delivered' brexit but rejected Mays deal (including phalafel Johnson) to only now have her deal but surrendering on every positive?
Or is it the same conservatives who won't even work out the cost of their brexit deal because they don't care about you, only their money?

Or do you have thing for being Russia's plaything and want to add to a near decade of poverty and austerity by having nearly half a decade more of it just to get through brexit that will have.... More job losses and poverty before getting F'd by America in a trade deal? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Mays deal kept us in the Customs Union, just as the one Corbyn is proposing would, so it was not what 17.5m voted for.
I asked you previously which Corbyn you preferred, the one who promised to smash the EU which he called a bankers Europe that harms the socialist cause. Or the new Jezza that wants to give us a choice between staying in the EU or staying in the EU with no voting rights?

Apologies for forgetting to reply last time.
If he's changed his mind then I'm fine with that. If he hasn't but has decided that the best thing for labour/the country is to ask whether we want to stay with clear options (as you can't say all 17.5 million people wanted to leave the customs union) then I'm fine with that. Even farage has gone from wanting a Norway style deal to no deal to wanting a second referendum so if he can't make up his mind then I'm not going to slate someone for changing there's or deciding to do what's best for his party.
Plus he hasn't negotiated anything so I can't read too much into his plans

I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.

Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.

Is that the same conservatives who have been in charge for the entirety of the brexit negotiations? Or is that the same conservatives who could've 'delivered' brexit but rejected Mays deal (including phalafel Johnson) to only now have her deal but surrendering on every positive?
Or is it the same conservatives who won't even work out the cost of their brexit deal because they don't care about you, only their money?

Or do you have thing for being Russia's plaything and want to add to a near decade of poverty and austerity by having nearly half a decade more of it just to get through brexit that will have.... More job losses and poverty before getting F'd by America in a trade deal? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Mays deal kept us in the Customs Union, just as the one Corbyn is proposing would, so it was not what 17.5m voted for.
I asked you previously which Corbyn you preferred, the one who promised to smash the EU which he called a bankers Europe that harms the socialist cause. Or the new Jezza that wants to give us a choice between staying in the EU or staying in the EU with no voting rights?

Apologies for forgetting to reply last time.
If he's changed his mind then I'm fine with that. If he hasn't but has decided that the best thing for labour/the country is to ask whether we want to stay with clear options (as you can't say all 17.5 million people wanted to leave the customs union) then I'm fine with that. Even farage has gone from wanting a Norway style deal to no deal to wanting a second referendum so if he can't make up his mind then I'm not going to slate someone for changing there's or deciding to do what's best for his party.
Plus he hasn't negotiated anything so I can't read too much into his plans

Bit more than changing his mind, they were his absolute core beliefs he spoke of them many times. Do you think he’s also changed his mind about his decades long support of terrorist groups.

I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.

Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.

Is that the same conservatives who have been in charge for the entirety of the brexit negotiations? Or is that the same conservatives who could've 'delivered' brexit but rejected Mays deal (including phalafel Johnson) to only now have her deal but surrendering on every positive?
Or is it the same conservatives who won't even work out the cost of their brexit deal because they don't care about you, only their money?

Or do you have thing for being Russia's plaything and want to add to a near decade of poverty and austerity by having nearly half a decade more of it just to get through brexit that will have.... More job losses and poverty before getting F'd by America in a trade deal? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Mays deal kept us in the Customs Union, just as the one Corbyn is proposing would, so it was not what 17.5m voted for.
I asked you previously which Corbyn you preferred, the one who promised to smash the EU which he called a bankers Europe that harms the socialist cause. Or the new Jezza that wants to give us a choice between staying in the EU or staying in the EU with no voting rights?

Apologies for forgetting to reply last time.
If he's changed his mind then I'm fine with that. If he hasn't but has decided that the best thing for labour/the country is to ask whether we want to stay with clear options (as you can't say all 17.5 million people wanted to leave the customs union) then I'm fine with that. Even farage has gone from wanting a Norway style deal to no deal to wanting a second referendum so if he can't make up his mind then I'm not going to slate someone for changing there's or deciding to do what's best for his party.
Plus he hasn't negotiated anything so I can't read too much into his plans

Not sure why the 17.5m people who voted to leave would expect us to remain in the customs union. The leaflet sent to every household in the UK stated what would happen and the fact there would be no access to the single market. We all had access to the information clearly presented to us by the government who hoped and expected a comfortable win for the remain camp. It should be remembered that the leaflet sent to all of us stated nothing other than a doom and gloom scenario if we voted in favour of Brexit. They only managed to fool less than half those who voted.

Not sure yet but I keep seeing that photo of Corbyn with Sinn Fein leaders and that helps to narrow the field .

Corbyn has faults for sure, but I believe he genuinely cares which is something that Johnson couldn't even spell never mind feel. I could never vote for Johnson and hate the way the media and others cosy up to him calling him Boris etc. He is NOT a lovable rogue, he is pure and simple a racist and is the most devious of a bunch of lying charlatans that are the "cabinet".

its easy to pretend you care, but if you really care you have to prioritise the more important things over the less important..
besides anyone that can show so little compassion over things like the Brighton bomb and the lets kill kids in warington bomb cant be taken seriously as someone that cares , just doesnt add up...unless you try your very very hardest to make it work for you.....wicked nasty evil little man..

I am not sure who I will vote for yet, but are you seriously telling me that you believe Johnson cares about anybody but Johnson and that he isn't a wicked, nasty, evil, little man too? And isn't Corbyn trying to prioritize tackling the poverty caused by years of Tory cuts, the climate crisis etc - to me that is far more important than Brexit which seems to be Johnsons only actual policy which is likely to terminally damage the UK...I am not sure you can trust any politician but Johnson has been proven to be a liar and a charlatan on more than one occasion, so if it was a straight choice between the two, then I would trust Corbyn more every time.

I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.

Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.

Is that the same conservatives who have been in charge for the entirety of the brexit negotiations? Or is that the same conservatives who could've 'delivered' brexit but rejected Mays deal (including phalafel Johnson) to only now have her deal but surrendering on every positive?
Or is it the same conservatives who won't even work out the cost of their brexit deal because they don't care about you, only their money?

Or do you have thing for being Russia's plaything and want to add to a near decade of poverty and austerity by having nearly half a decade more of it just to get through brexit that will have.... More job losses and poverty before getting F'd by America in a trade deal? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Mays deal kept us in the Customs Union, just as the one Corbyn is proposing would, so it was not what 17.5m voted for.
I asked you previously which Corbyn you preferred, the one who promised to smash the EU which he called a bankers Europe that harms the socialist cause. Or the new Jezza that wants to give us a choice between staying in the EU or staying in the EU with no voting rights?

Apologies for forgetting to reply last time.
If he's changed his mind then I'm fine with that. If he hasn't but has decided that the best thing for labour/the country is to ask whether we want to stay with clear options (as you can't say all 17.5 million people wanted to leave the customs union) then I'm fine with that. Even farage has gone from wanting a Norway style deal to no deal to wanting a second referendum so if he can't make up his mind then I'm not going to slate someone for changing there's or deciding to do what's best for his party.
Plus he hasn't negotiated anything so I can't read too much into his plans

Bit more than changing his mind, they were his absolute core beliefs he spoke of them many times. Do you think he’s also changed his mind about his decades long support of terrorist groups.

I think speaking to both sides is better than going straight to 100 but I agree that he definitely has done things with terrorist groups that you shouldn't, so have the conservatives though with selling arms

Not sure yet but I keep seeing that photo of Corbyn with Sinn Fein leaders and that helps to narrow the field .

This'll help you narrow it further
https://www.google.com/search?q=boris+j ... KvhuJ9-HjM

I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.

Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.

Is that the same conservatives who have been in charge for the entirety of the brexit negotiations? Or is that the same conservatives who could've 'delivered' brexit but rejected Mays deal (including phalafel Johnson) to only now have her deal but surrendering on every positive?
Or is it the same conservatives who won't even work out the cost of their brexit deal because they don't care about you, only their money?

Or do you have thing for being Russia's plaything and want to add to a near decade of poverty and austerity by having nearly half a decade more of it just to get through brexit that will have.... More job losses and poverty before getting F'd by America in a trade deal? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Mays deal kept us in the Customs Union, just as the one Corbyn is proposing would, so it was not what 17.5m voted for.
I asked you previously which Corbyn you preferred, the one who promised to smash the EU which he called a bankers Europe that harms the socialist cause. Or the new Jezza that wants to give us a choice between staying in the EU or staying in the EU with no voting rights?

Apologies for forgetting to reply last time.
If he's changed his mind then I'm fine with that. If he hasn't but has decided that the best thing for labour/the country is to ask whether we want to stay with clear options (as you can't say all 17.5 million people wanted to leave the customs union) then I'm fine with that. Even farage has gone from wanting a Norway style deal to no deal to wanting a second referendum so if he can't make up his mind then I'm not going to slate someone for changing there's or deciding to do what's best for his party.
Plus he hasn't negotiated anything so I can't read too much into his plans

Not sure why the 17.5m people who voted to leave would expect us to remain in the customs union. The leaflet sent to every household in the UK stated what would happen and the fact there would be no access to the single market. We all had access to the information clearly presented to us by the government who hoped and expected a comfortable win for the remain camp. It should be remembered that the leaflet sent to all of us stated nothing other than a doom and gloom scenario if we voted in favour of Brexit. They only managed to fool less than half those who voted.

But that leaflet was dismissed as fake news so....
And a leaflet isn't law is it?

You only have to listen to the ifs to see why Corbyn is dangerous.

An ideal result for me as I want brexit is conservative win with decent majority and some brexit in opposition to help. Then the second largest party being lib Dems

Moving forward we may finally not have the sheer extremes of labour and conservatives. I think if in serious opposition the lib Dems may come up with some workable proposals and give us options in future rather than just politics of envy.

We must have some balance as like it or not..not everyone is left or centre left. Therefore we need the conservatives for that. Lib Dems can hold the sensible centre left ground. Labour with Corbyn seem to hate anything this country has done and want to tear everything we have down. It's not perfect here. Far from it. But the hostility and anger I see from them and by extension their activists is enough to turn my nose and walk the opposite direction. Sorry. Just how I feel.

Boris,didn't he win Wimbledon when he was 17?

I say it again I could not and will never vote for a terrorist and racist person and Corbyn is one of them.

I would rather vote nobody.


I admit the choice is not good, but Corbyns evil beliefs will never change.

What racist things has corbyn done?

I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.

Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.

Is that the same conservatives who have been in charge for the entirety of the brexit negotiations? Or is that the same conservatives who could've 'delivered' brexit but rejected Mays deal (including phalafel Johnson) to only now have her deal but surrendering on every positive?
Or is it the same conservatives who won't even work out the cost of their brexit deal because they don't care about you, only their money?

Or do you have thing for being Russia's plaything and want to add to a near decade of poverty and austerity by having nearly half a decade more of it just to get through brexit that will have.... More job losses and poverty before getting F'd by America in a trade deal? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Mays deal kept us in the Customs Union, just as the one Corbyn is proposing would, so it was not what 17.5m voted for.
I asked you previously which Corbyn you preferred, the one who promised to smash the EU which he called a bankers Europe that harms the socialist cause. Or the new Jezza that wants to give us a choice between staying in the EU or staying in the EU with no voting rights?

Apologies for forgetting to reply last time.
If he's changed his mind then I'm fine with that. If he hasn't but has decided that the best thing for labour/the country is to ask whether we want to stay with clear options (as you can't say all 17.5 million people wanted to leave the customs union) then I'm fine with that. Even farage has gone from wanting a Norway style deal to no deal to wanting a second referendum so if he can't make up his mind then I'm not going to slate someone for changing there's or deciding to do what's best for his party.
Plus he hasn't negotiated anything so I can't read too much into his plans

Not sure why the 17.5m people who voted to leave would expect us to remain in the customs union. The leaflet sent to every household in the UK stated what would happen and the fact there would be no access to the single market. We all had access to the information clearly presented to us by the government who hoped and expected a comfortable win for the remain camp. It should be remembered that the leaflet sent to all of us stated nothing other than a doom and gloom scenario if we voted in favour of Brexit. They only managed to fool less than half those who voted.

But that leaflet was dismissed as fake news so....
And a leaflet isn't law is it?

It wasn't dismissed as fake news in the run up to the referendum. Just so happened that enough people were not taken in by it when it came to voting.. Just as well as all the predictions of doom and gloom as to the outcome just by us voting to leave have still not come to fruition more than three years after the event. As I have said on here in the past, still waiting for that emergency budget to save our economy, the one that would be needed within weeks of a leave vote.

I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.

Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.

Is that the same conservatives who have been in charge for the entirety of the brexit negotiations? Or is that the same conservatives who could've 'delivered' brexit but rejected Mays deal (including phalafel Johnson) to only now have her deal but surrendering on every positive?
Or is it the same conservatives who won't even work out the cost of their brexit deal because they don't care about you, only their money?

Or do you have thing for being Russia's plaything and want to add to a near decade of poverty and austerity by having nearly half a decade more of it just to get through brexit that will have.... More job losses and poverty before getting F'd by America in a trade deal? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Mays deal kept us in the Customs Union, just as the one Corbyn is proposing would, so it was not what 17.5m voted for.
I asked you previously which Corbyn you preferred, the one who promised to smash the EU which he called a bankers Europe that harms the socialist cause. Or the new Jezza that wants to give us a choice between staying in the EU or staying in the EU with no voting rights?

Apologies for forgetting to reply last time.
If he's changed his mind then I'm fine with that. If he hasn't but has decided that the best thing for labour/the country is to ask whether we want to stay with clear options (as you can't say all 17.5 million people wanted to leave the customs union) then I'm fine with that. Even farage has gone from wanting a Norway style deal to no deal to wanting a second referendum so if he can't make up his mind then I'm not going to slate someone for changing there's or deciding to do what's best for his party.
Plus he hasn't negotiated anything so I can't read too much into his plans

Not sure why the 17.5m people who voted to leave would expect us to remain in the customs union. The leaflet sent to every household in the UK stated what would happen and the fact there would be no access to the single market. We all had access to the information clearly presented to us by the government who hoped and expected a comfortable win for the remain camp. It should be remembered that the leaflet sent to all of us stated nothing other than a doom and gloom scenario if we voted in favour of Brexit. They only managed to fool less than half those who voted.

But that leaflet was dismissed as fake news so....
And a leaflet isn't law is it?

It wasn't dismissed as fake news in the run up to the referendum. Just so happened that enough people were not taken in by it when it came to voting.. Just as well as all the predictions of doom and gloom as to the outcome just by us voting to leave have still not come to fruition more than three years after the event. As I have said on here in the past, still waiting for that emergency budget to save our economy, the one that would be needed within weeks of a leave vote.

You do know that the government isn't ruling out an emergency budget so maybe you're a bit premature there.
Sadly enough people were taken in by the leave lies... No downsides? No job losses? Brexit dividends? Turkey's immediate joining? No hard border?

PM doing terrible on the Question Time special.

By far the worst of all the leaders tonight.

Terrible performance from him.