OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

100% Tories / Johnson NOT privatising NHS .


In all those papers Terrorist Corbyn waved about, Not one single bit of evidence about NHS.


It was all about UK and USA buying of drugs etc

yes

but it was really about trying to deflect attention away from the Andrew Neil interview / car crash .

if you haven't seen it ,take a look...

Desperate attempt by the Marxist to disparage the Tories which the left wing media are trying to milk; lamentable

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

The documents aren't fake, they're simply minutes of meetings held in July this year, I think, under Mrs May's tenure. They detail simple exploratory talks about how a "free trade deal" with US could work and undertaken by the Civil Service who have some experience in such matters. They, the CS that is, will be having discussions at similar level with many other country's representatives as to how any new "free trade deal" can work, it is very complex.

As to your "bet", 40 new hospitals, a non starter, a basic hospital with limited facilities costs upwards of 50 million quid and would take years to get through planning so by the time is it built you're looking 120 million. The 50,000 new nurses is more like 30 - 35,000 as emphasis, at least initially, is on retention and trying to help those that have left to return. A difficult task indeed. As to increase in cost to NHS, the most expensive "free health" service in the world, I don't think so. It is a magnificent institution with some of nicest, hardest working people one could ever meet but it is run by fuckin idiots unfortunately. That is where the cost savings can be made, they'd be well worth implementing as having worked at a very high level on many such projects the "money" wasted on utter fuckin idiots is beyond a joke.

As for your 100 quid, I'll give you 2 quid to f**k off to CCMB political section where you can discuss utter bollox with fellow simpletons. I'm sure they (well the one with several accounts) will keep you entertained for at least 10 minutes.

What a Mess !!! - This Country

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

Josh, I'll give you £1m pounds if any party or politician is telling the truth.

What a Mess !!! - This Country

Oh I don't know TC, seems much the same as 20 years ago when I left for job. Have returned to Wales for semi-retirement but seems it's just different faces and voices spouting the same bollox.
I'm going to a funeral next Wednesday for a family member who was ostracised for many years for voting Tory back in whenever, pre Mrs T. Used to have interesting discussions with him about why he voted that way and not for labour, opened my eyes in some ways, closed them in others. But hey ho, such is life, they are all a bunch of no-hopers, can't hold a real job so become politicians, f**k the lot of them.

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

Josh, I'll give you £1m pounds if any party or politician is telling the truth.

Whey hey Steve, I'll claim the 1m Euros, the monster raving looney party candidate, wherever, often tells the truth

Corbyn caught lying again

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

Typical josh never responded to what is in front of his eyes when it disproved what he says? I copied because it was easier than writing it down and typing in whole story! Documents are not fake but the link shows what is in them and there is fck all saying nhs will be sold off to usa! so respond to the link instead of taking
cowards way out by making some crap offer instead of being honest and admit your wrong? thumbup:

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

Josh, I'll give you £1m pounds if any party or politician is telling the truth.

Steve wouldn't bother he cannot except hes wrong with this subject! the link shows what was discussed but he totally failed to acknowledge its content instead come he come up with crap nonsense as usual.

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

Typical josh never responded to what is in front of his eyes when it disproved what he says? I copied because it was easier than writing it down and typing in whole story! Documents are not fake but the link shows what is in them and there is fck all saying nhs will be sold off to usa! so respond to the link instead of taking
cowards way out by making some crap offer instead of being honest and admit your wrong? thumbup:

You are aware that there's a line in the documents about not using the word NHS because it'll cause sensitivity (and I assume also because there's people who won't believe anything unless it's spelt out in front of them). Simply put, the documents show that America wants access to the NHS, wants to lower our food standards, wants to change our courts, and workers rights. They want a no deal brexit because that's when we'll be weakest and can't refuse to say no.


I hope you can also see what I get everytime I post something as a supporting argument, getting told to not believe what you read or to type it out as my own opinion.

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

Typical josh never responded to what is in front of his eyes when it disproved what he says? I copied because it was easier than writing it down and typing in whole story! Documents are not fake but the link shows what is in them and there is fck all saying nhs will be sold off to usa! so respond to the link instead of taking
cowards way out by making some crap offer instead of being honest and admit your wrong? thumbup:

You are aware that there's a line in the documents about not using the word NHS because it'll cause sensitivity (and I assume also because there's people who won't believe anything unless it's spelt out in front of them). Simply put, the documents show that America wants access to the NHS, wants to lower our food standards, wants to change our courts, and workers rights. They want a no deal brexit because that's when we'll be weakest and can't refuse to say no.


I hope you can also see what I get everytime I post something as a supporting argument, getting told to not believe what you read or to type it out as my own opinion.

NHS is not for sale

But I would infact believe that there are certain meds drugs etc in the us we can make trade deals on.

Jezza is a liar and complete moron !! Hes just lied his way to upping the votes .. there needs to be some sort of law against these politicians because they are fooling vulnerable people into getting votes

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

its more where you get them from and the fact they do not look wrong to you before you paste them Dave.
he lied to the queen is a great example { but not the only ropey one } ....maybe he did. but maybe he did not. but only he and the queen know..so unless the moron that wrote the list is boris or the queen its rubbish .you put stuff like that in and it destroys any valid points your trying to make. but its all about making the lists longer ..

no increase in NHS cost....the amount spent on the NHS has risen year on year since it began so how is that ever going to happen..

"You are aware that there's a line in the documents about not using the word NHS because it'll cause sensitivity (and I assume also because there's people who won't believe anything unless it's spelt out in front of them). Simply put, the documents show that America wants access to the NHS, wants to lower our food standards, wants to change our courts, and workers rights. They want a no deal brexit because that's when we'll be weakest and can't refuse to say no.

I hope you can also see what I get everytime I post something as a supporting argument, getting told to not believe what you read or to type it out as my own opinion."

Yep, the documents have been common knowledge for a few months. Corbyn has access to classified government documents that will likely make you piss your panties, does he share? The "opposition" party have access to such information be they labour or tory, Libs get a little bit as long as they keep quite and don't blab to the sexy small ladies wearing expensive underwear, journalists, nice looking but brain dead and don't shave their pussies properly.

Ah f**k it. Bought a shit gaff 15 mins drive from the welsh labour party stadium, named after womins things place. Eggers running back to Cardiff, more money for um. May allah bless you labour supporting fools

I've copied this from CCMB, it's old Sludge who most of us will know.

"Hopefully the party will adopt a more moderate stance to attract liberal voters as the liberal party is finished for good after clegg got into bed with the Tories and swinsom turned out to be hopeless

The Labour party needs someone like David milliband of old to sweep up the middle ground

Brexit has totally fecked up this country and those labour voters who have switched to the Tories over this matter will have to answer to their grandchildren when the Tories preside over this disaster , called by a Tory to save his own arse yet playing directly into the xenophobia and little Britain attitude of a worryingly large proportion of the population

It's all going tits up !

Don't come running when the shit hits the fan under this lot , too late to cry then

As for Corbyn , I am voting labour but what a plank he's proving to be"

Sludge is a good un, a complete socialist beared freak but someone that can be trusted. If only, us plebs had someone or something to vote for. I do feel sorry for our English friends who have "assembly" type governments, idiots on 85k per year with no powers, no nothing. Allah bless the left wing thieves

100% Tories / Johnson NOT privatising NHS .


In all those papers Terrorist Corbyn waved about, Not one single bit of evidence about NHS.


It was all about UK and USA buying of drugs etc

yes

but it was really about trying to deflect attention away from the Andrew Neil interview / car crash .

if you haven't seen it ,take a look...

Cheers

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

Typical josh never responded to what is in front of his eyes when it disproved what he says? I copied because it was easier than writing it down and typing in whole story! Documents are not fake but the link shows what is in them and there is fck all saying nhs will be sold off to usa! so respond to the link instead of taking
cowards way out by making some crap offer instead of being honest and admit your wrong? thumbup:

You are aware that there's a line in the documents about not using the word NHS because it'll cause sensitivity (and I assume also because there's people who won't believe anything unless it's spelt out in front of them). Simply put, the documents show that America wants access to the NHS, wants to lower our food standards, wants to change our courts, and workers rights. They want a no deal brexit because that's when we'll be weakest and can't refuse to say no.


I hope you can also see what I get everytime I post something as a supporting argument, getting told to not believe what you read or to type it out as my own opinion.

NHS is not for sale

But I would infact believe that there are certain meds drugs etc in the us we can make trade deals on.

Jezza is a liar and complete moron !! Hes just lied his way to upping the votes .. there needs to be some sort of law against these politicians because they are fooling vulnerable people into getting votes

Not only a liar but also an opportunist who will fall whichever side of the fence might just get him into No.10

A historically very reliable poll yesterday revealed that Jezza's Labour have wildly mistaken the mood of the nation's voters and are heading for a bit of a hiding on 12th December as it currently projects

So what does he do? Today, he changes his policies and manifesto in an attempt to claw back his Party's leave voters

So, does that mean he doesn't truly believe in what he has laid out to the people; or is it simply that he will do/say anything that will get him into power?

For me, it's the former and his personal 'history' in politics shows that to be the case. The squirming of his lieutenants on TV this morning show that they are unable to answer many of the questions thrown at them, as their own untruths unravel

But either way, the Labour Party appear (at this stage) to be facing a backlash over Jezza's poor judgement; and for all his bluster, he (Jezza) has misjudged the mood

On the other matter, clearly, CCFCJosh75 (above) has mis-read/interpreted the whole 451-page document (possibly to suit his own agenda) in that it clearly shows there was actually an acceptance from the US side that there would be no agreement on their effectively taking over the NHS; although there was mention of 'looking at' nursing practices (the US, Canada and Republic of Ireland are already aligned) and the mention of looking at how 'some' medical drugs, currently used over there but not here, could be introduced/priced over here

CCFCJosh75 will be in Australia soon with all that digging!

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

Typical josh never responded to what is in front of his eyes when it disproved what he says? I copied because it was easier than writing it down and typing in whole story! Documents are not fake but the link shows what is in them and there is fck all saying nhs will be sold off to usa! so respond to the link instead of taking
cowards way out by making some crap offer instead of being honest and admit your wrong? thumbup:

You are aware that there's a line in the documents about not using the word NHS because it'll cause sensitivity (and I assume also because there's people who won't believe anything unless it's spelt out in front of them). Simply put, the documents show that America wants access to the NHS, wants to lower our food standards, wants to change our courts, and workers rights. They want a no deal brexit because that's when we'll be weakest and can't refuse to say no.


I hope you can also see what I get everytime I post something as a supporting argument, getting told to not believe what you read or to type it out as my own opinion.

NHS is not for sale

But I would infact believe that there are certain meds drugs etc in the us we can make trade deals on.

Jezza is a liar and complete moron !! Hes just lied his way to upping the votes .. there needs to be some sort of law against these politicians because they are fooling vulnerable people into getting votes

Not only a liar but also an opportunist who will fall whichever side of the fence might just get him into No.10

A historically very reliable poll yesterday revealed that Jezza's Labour have wildly mistaken the mood of the nation's voters and are heading for a bit of a hiding on 12th December as it currently projects

So what does he do? Today, he changes his policies and manifesto in an attempt to claw back his Party's leave voters

So, does that mean he doesn't truly believe in what he has laid out to the people; or is it simply that he will do/say anything that will get him into power?

For me, it's the former and his personal 'history' in politics shows that to be the case. The squirming of his lieutenants on TV this morning show that they are unable to answer many of the questions thrown at them, as their own untruths unravel

But either way, the Labour Party appear (at this stage) to be facing a backlash over Jezza's poor judgement; and for all his bluster, he (Jezza) has misjudged the mood

On the other matter, clearly, CCFCJosh75 (above) has mis-read/interpreted the whole 451-page document (possibly to suit his own agenda) in that it clearly shows there was actually an acceptance from the US side that there would be no agreement on their effectively taking over the NHS; although there was mention of 'looking at' nursing practices (the US, Canada and Republic of Ireland are already aligned) and the mention of looking at how 'some' medical drugs, currently used over there but not here, could be introduced/priced over here

CCFCJosh75 will be in Australia soon with all that digging!

A return to the good old " Leave up North / Remain down South policy. Surely he cant get away with it again although to be honest I'm not sure the polls are truly reflecting the surge in young vote. At the moment I'd take a 1 nil win to the tories.

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

Typical josh never responded to what is in front of his eyes when it disproved what he says? I copied because it was easier than writing it down and typing in whole story! Documents are not fake but the link shows what is in them and there is fck all saying nhs will be sold off to usa! so respond to the link instead of taking
cowards way out by making some crap offer instead of being honest and admit your wrong? thumbup:

You are aware that there's a line in the documents about not using the word NHS because it'll cause sensitivity (and I assume also because there's people who won't believe anything unless it's spelt out in front of them). Simply put, the documents show that America wants access to the NHS, wants to lower our food standards, wants to change our courts, and workers rights. They want a no deal brexit because that's when we'll be weakest and can't refuse to say no.


I hope you can also see what I get everytime I post something as a supporting argument, getting told to not believe what you read or to type it out as my own opinion.

NHS is not for sale

But I would infact believe that there are certain meds drugs etc in the us we can make trade deals on.

Jezza is a liar and complete moron !! Hes just lied his way to upping the votes .. there needs to be some sort of law against these politicians because they are fooling vulnerable people into getting votes

Not only a liar but also an opportunist who will fall whichever side of the fence might just get him into No.10

A historically very reliable poll yesterday revealed that Jezza's Labour have wildly mistaken the mood of the nation's voters and are heading for a bit of a hiding on 12th December as it currently projects

So what does he do? Today, he changes his policies and manifesto in an attempt to claw back his Party's leave voters

So, does that mean he doesn't truly believe in what he has laid out to the people; or is it simply that he will do/say anything that will get him into power?

For me, it's the former and his personal 'history' in politics shows that to be the case. The squirming of his lieutenants on TV this morning show that they are unable to answer many of the questions thrown at them, as their own untruths unravel

But either way, the Labour Party appear (at this stage) to be facing a backlash over Jezza's poor judgement; and for all his bluster, he (Jezza) has misjudged the mood

On the other matter, clearly, CCFCJosh75 (above) has mis-read/interpreted the whole 451-page document (possibly to suit his own agenda) in that it clearly shows there was actually an acceptance from the US side that there would be no agreement on their effectively taking over the NHS; although there was mention of 'looking at' nursing practices (the US, Canada and Republic of Ireland are already aligned) and the mention of looking at how 'some' medical drugs, currently used over there but not here, could be introduced/priced over here

CCFCJosh75 will be in Australia soon with all that digging!

Funny how in a 451 page document he finds a little bit that says doesn't use nhs word? yet hes been BANGING on here nhs is for sale to USA even quoting how much this and that costs under the Americans, also Corbyn is saying nhs his for sale ! So no one knows it's the nhs the documents is talking about despite the HEADLINES using nhs word? So what is documents referring to? ...anyway what's the point of debating anything with a person who as his fingers stuck in his ears while talking to them?

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

its more where you get them from and the fact they do not look wrong to you before you paste them Dave.
he lied to the queen is a great example { but not the only ropey one } ....maybe he did. but maybe he did not. but only he and the queen know..so unless the moron that wrote the list is boris or the queen its rubbish .you put stuff like that in and it destroys any valid points your trying to make. but its all about making the lists longer ..

To simplify it:
Johnson asks the queen to suspend parliament and tells parliament that he's not doing it for brexit (think it's safe to assume he gave the queen that reason too)
Scottish and supreme court both say thats bollocks and unlawful.
Johnson apologies to the queen.
At best he's lied to parliament and to the public and quite frankly that's not acceptable.

A lot of people have scoffed at the list of lies I've made but I'm still waiting for the justifications for each one....

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

Typical josh never responded to what is in front of his eyes when it disproved what he says? I copied because it was easier than writing it down and typing in whole story! Documents are not fake but the link shows what is in them and there is fck all saying nhs will be sold off to usa! so respond to the link instead of taking
cowards way out by making some crap offer instead of being honest and admit your wrong? thumbup:

You are aware that there's a line in the documents about not using the word NHS because it'll cause sensitivity (and I assume also because there's people who won't believe anything unless it's spelt out in front of them). Simply put, the documents show that America wants access to the NHS, wants to lower our food standards, wants to change our courts, and workers rights. They want a no deal brexit because that's when we'll be weakest and can't refuse to say no.


I hope you can also see what I get everytime I post something as a supporting argument, getting told to not believe what you read or to type it out as my own opinion.

NHS is not for sale

But I would infact believe that there are certain meds drugs etc in the us we can make trade deals on.

Jezza is a liar and complete moron !! Hes just lied his way to upping the votes .. there needs to be some sort of law against these politicians because they are fooling vulnerable people into getting votes

Not only a liar but also an opportunist who will fall whichever side of the fence might just get him into No.10

A historically very reliable poll yesterday revealed that Jezza's Labour have wildly mistaken the mood of the nation's voters and are heading for a bit of a hiding on 12th December as it currently projects

So what does he do? Today, he changes his policies and manifesto in an attempt to claw back his Party's leave voters

So, does that mean he doesn't truly believe in what he has laid out to the people; or is it simply that he will do/say anything that will get him into power?

For me, it's the former and his personal 'history' in politics shows that to be the case. The squirming of his lieutenants on TV this morning show that they are unable to answer many of the questions thrown at them, as their own untruths unravel

But either way, the Labour Party appear (at this stage) to be facing a backlash over Jezza's poor judgement; and for all his bluster, he (Jezza) has misjudged the mood

On the other matter, clearly, CCFCJosh75 (above) has mis-read/interpreted the whole 451-page document (possibly to suit his own agenda) in that it clearly shows there was actually an acceptance from the US side that there would be no agreement on their effectively taking over the NHS; although there was mention of 'looking at' nursing practices (the US, Canada and Republic of Ireland are already aligned) and the mention of looking at how 'some' medical drugs, currently used over there but not here, could be introduced/priced over here

CCFCJosh75 will be in Australia soon with all that digging!

Funny how in a 451 page document he finds a little bit that says doesn't use nhs word? yet hes been BANGING on here nhs is for sale to USA even quoting how much this and that costs under the Americans, also Corbyn is saying nhs his for sale ! So no one knows it's the nhs the documents is talking about despite the HEADLINES using nhs word? So what is documents referring to? ...anyway what's the point of debating anything with a person who as his fingers stuck in his ears while talking to them?

Easy to see why they did it, it's working a charm with you.
Look at words like drug, pharma, and market access to see what's happening. Although obviously I know that unless the first line is 'We shall sell you the NHS' you won't believe anything.

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

its more where you get them from and the fact they do not look wrong to you before you paste them Dave.
he lied to the queen is a great example { but not the only ropey one } ....maybe he did. but maybe he did not. but only he and the queen know..so unless the moron that wrote the list is boris or the queen its rubbish .you put stuff like that in and it destroys any valid points your trying to make. but its all about making the lists longer ..

To simplify it:
Johnson asks the queen to suspend parliament and tells parliament that he's not doing it for brexit (think it's safe to assume he gave the queen that reason too)
Scottish and supreme court both say thats bollocks and unlawful.
Johnson apologies to the queen.
At best he's lied to parliament and to the public and quite frankly that's not acceptable.

A lot of people have scoffed at the list of lies I've made but I'm still waiting for the justifications for each one....

There’s no hope for people like you.

Anybody who thinks JC is the answer to all our problems needs to be sectioned. They guy is a complete looney is going to get his bum smacked in the election and hopefully he will finally piss off for good.

I’d rather vote for a Roath Park Duck.

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

its more where you get them from and the fact they do not look wrong to you before you paste them Dave.
he lied to the queen is a great example { but not the only ropey one } ....maybe he did. but maybe he did not. but only he and the queen know..so unless the moron that wrote the list is boris or the queen its rubbish .you put stuff like that in and it destroys any valid points your trying to make. but its all about making the lists longer ..

To simplify it:
Johnson asks the queen to suspend parliament and tells parliament that he's not doing it for brexit (think it's safe to assume he gave the queen that reason too)
Scottish and supreme court both say thats bollocks and unlawful.
Johnson apologies to the queen.
At best he's lied to parliament and to the public and quite frankly that's not acceptable.

A lot of people have scoffed at the list of lies I've made but I'm still waiting for the justifications for each one....

There’s no hope for people like you.

Anybody who thinks JC is the answer to all our problems needs to be sectioned. They guy is a complete looney is going to get his bum smacked in the election and hopefully he will finally piss off for good.

I’d rather vote for a Roath Park Duck.

I don't care how you vote. I don't think I've actually said for people to vote labour in this thread, all I've done there is point out that Johnson is a huge liar and I wouldn't trust him. If you don't want Johnson or Corbyn then vote for one of the many other people standing.

fair play to Josh for making a 8 pager out of him being a complete idiot.

fair play to Josh for making a 8 pager out of him being a complete idiot.

He hasn't got a clue, lot's of youngsters haven't lived through a Labour government and don't realise it will be them trying to pay for the f**k up with austerity measures for the rest of their lives!

Free broadband and university now, which will be paid for by the taxpayers over the next fifty years!

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

Typical josh never responded to what is in front of his eyes when it disproved what he says? I copied because it was easier than writing it down and typing in whole story! Documents are not fake but the link shows what is in them and there is fck all saying nhs will be sold off to usa! so respond to the link instead of taking
cowards way out by making some crap offer instead of being honest and admit your wrong? thumbup:

You are aware that there's a line in the documents about not using the word NHS because it'll cause sensitivity (and I assume also because there's people who won't believe anything unless it's spelt out in front of them). Simply put, the documents show that America wants access to the NHS, wants to lower our food standards, wants to change our courts, and workers rights. They want a no deal brexit because that's when we'll be weakest and can't refuse to say no.


I hope you can also see what I get everytime I post something as a supporting argument, getting told to not believe what you read or to type it out as my own opinion.

NHS is not for sale

But I would infact believe that there are certain meds drugs etc in the us we can make trade deals on.

Jezza is a liar and complete moron !! Hes just lied his way to upping the votes .. there needs to be some sort of law against these politicians because they are fooling vulnerable people into getting votes

Not only a liar but also an opportunist who will fall whichever side of the fence might just get him into No.10

A historically very reliable poll yesterday revealed that Jezza's Labour have wildly mistaken the mood of the nation's voters and are heading for a bit of a hiding on 12th December as it currently projects

So what does he do? Today, he changes his policies and manifesto in an attempt to claw back his Party's leave voters

So, does that mean he doesn't truly believe in what he has laid out to the people; or is it simply that he will do/say anything that will get him into power?

For me, it's the former and his personal 'history' in politics shows that to be the case. The squirming of his lieutenants on TV this morning show that they are unable to answer many of the questions thrown at them, as their own untruths unravel

But either way, the Labour Party appear (at this stage) to be facing a backlash over Jezza's poor judgement; and for all his bluster, he (Jezza) has misjudged the mood

On the other matter, clearly, CCFCJosh75 (above) has mis-read/interpreted the whole 451-page document (possibly to suit his own agenda) in that it clearly shows there was actually an acceptance from the US side that there would be no agreement on their effectively taking over the NHS; although there was mention of 'looking at' nursing practices (the US, Canada and Republic of Ireland are already aligned) and the mention of looking at how 'some' medical drugs, currently used over there but not here, could be introduced/priced over here

CCFCJosh75 will be in Australia soon with all that digging!

Funny how in a 451 page document he finds a little bit that says doesn't use nhs word? yet hes been BANGING on here nhs is for sale to USA even quoting how much this and that costs under the Americans, also Corbyn is saying nhs his for sale ! So no one knows it's the nhs the documents is talking about despite the HEADLINES using nhs word? So what is documents referring to? ...anyway what's the point of debating anything with a person who as his fingers stuck in his ears while talking to them?

Easy to see why they did it, it's working a charm with you.
Look at words like drug, pharma, and market access to see what's happening. Although obviously I know that unless the first line is 'We shall sell you the NHS' you won't believe anything.

in effect what you and the professional sandwich board man are suggesting is an end of the NHS..
its assets sold to whoever. and a move to private health care . as said by another poster it would never get through parliament no matter how big a majority BJ has , it wouldn't just end the NHS it would end the Tory party...

fair play to Josh for making a 8 pager out of him being a complete idiot.

So are you going to be the one to justify all of Johnsons lies or explain why America wanting a no deal brexit because we'll be weaker is good for us?
Or are you another one who's all talk and no substance?

fair play to Josh for making a 8 pager out of him being a complete idiot.

So are you going to be the one to justify all of Johnsons lies or explain why America wanting a no deal brexit because we'll be weaker is good for us?
Or are you another one who's all talk and no substance?

bit rich for you to talk about all talk and no substance.

what does what america want regarding brexit have anything to do with anything?

Hopefully this works but it shows what is being talked about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Hopefully Josh reads it and comments because it doesnt mention sellingofg nhs

I'm sorry but doggy will get upset that you're copy and pasting something.
Let's put money where your mouth is, I'll give you (or whoever else wants to take up the offer) £100 if we get 40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses and no increases to costs in the NHS after a trade deal with America.
If that doesn't happen then you give me £100.
If you think the documents are fake and believe Boris then I'm sure you'll snatch my hand off for a free £100

Typical josh never responded to what is in front of his eyes when it disproved what he says? I copied because it was easier than writing it down and typing in whole story! Documents are not fake but the link shows what is in them and there is fck all saying nhs will be sold off to usa! so respond to the link instead of taking
cowards way out by making some crap offer instead of being honest and admit your wrong? thumbup:

You are aware that there's a line in the documents about not using the word NHS because it'll cause sensitivity (and I assume also because there's people who won't believe anything unless it's spelt out in front of them). Simply put, the documents show that America wants access to the NHS, wants to lower our food standards, wants to change our courts, and workers rights. They want a no deal brexit because that's when we'll be weakest and can't refuse to say no.


I hope you can also see what I get everytime I post something as a supporting argument, getting told to not believe what you read or to type it out as my own opinion.

NHS is not for sale

But I would infact believe that there are certain meds drugs etc in the us we can make trade deals on.

Jezza is a liar and complete moron !! Hes just lied his way to upping the votes .. there needs to be some sort of law against these politicians because they are fooling vulnerable people into getting votes

Not only a liar but also an opportunist who will fall whichever side of the fence might just get him into No.10

A historically very reliable poll yesterday revealed that Jezza's Labour have wildly mistaken the mood of the nation's voters and are heading for a bit of a hiding on 12th December as it currently projects

So what does he do? Today, he changes his policies and manifesto in an attempt to claw back his Party's leave voters

So, does that mean he doesn't truly believe in what he has laid out to the people; or is it simply that he will do/say anything that will get him into power?

For me, it's the former and his personal 'history' in politics shows that to be the case. The squirming of his lieutenants on TV this morning show that they are unable to answer many of the questions thrown at them, as their own untruths unravel

But either way, the Labour Party appear (at this stage) to be facing a backlash over Jezza's poor judgement; and for all his bluster, he (Jezza) has misjudged the mood

On the other matter, clearly, CCFCJosh75 (above) has mis-read/interpreted the whole 451-page document (possibly to suit his own agenda) in that it clearly shows there was actually an acceptance from the US side that there would be no agreement on their effectively taking over the NHS; although there was mention of 'looking at' nursing practices (the US, Canada and Republic of Ireland are already aligned) and the mention of looking at how 'some' medical drugs, currently used over there but not here, could be introduced/priced over here

CCFCJosh75 will be in Australia soon with all that digging!

Funny how in a 451 page document he finds a little bit that says doesn't use nhs word? yet hes been BANGING on here nhs is for sale to USA even quoting how much this and that costs under the Americans, also Corbyn is saying nhs his for sale ! So no one knows it's the nhs the documents is talking about despite the HEADLINES using nhs word? So what is documents referring to? ...anyway what's the point of debating anything with a person who as his fingers stuck in his ears while talking to them?

Easy to see why they did it, it's working a charm with you.
Look at words like drug, pharma, and market access to see what's happening. Although obviously I know that unless the first line is 'We shall sell you the NHS' you won't believe anything.

in effect what you and the professional sandwich board man are suggesting is an end of the NHS..
its assets sold to whoever. and a move to private health care . as said by another poster it would never get through parliament no matter how big a majority BJ has , it wouldn't just end the NHS it would end the Tory party...

They aren't going to just have one big vote, they're slowly doing it, underfunding then sell off one bit, then another, then another until it's too late.
It's like job losses with brexit. The jobs have been moving/not coming here bit by bit but as 1 million jobs aren't lost on one day then brexiteers don't care or it 'doesn't count'.

Jobs not coming here is a not a quantitative figure and you should not be posting it Josh. It’s just a lie.

A million jobs gone, yet more people than ever in work. You have no ability to debate, rather choose to publish fairy tales.

I wonder which party set the ball in motion with regards to selling off bits of the NHS.