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Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:09 pm

rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:I find it hard to believe that many of the posters on here consider themselves Welsh. But just in case, here’s some stats regarding the different parties manifestos and their mention of Wales in them.
@Plaid_Cymru: 232
@LibDems: 22
@UKLabour: 16
@Conservatives: 15
@TheGreenParty: 15
@brexitparty_uk: 0
You can take from this what you want, but Wales is no more than an afterthought for the London based parties.


You’ll always find it hard...Nationalists usually end up disappointed in others refusal to embrace their limited horizon.


Think hard! Who has the limited horizon my friend? You want to keep the Welsh living as second class citizens in their own country, living off handouts from our colonial masters, living with limited powers unable to take our place as an independent nation amongst the other nations of the world. You obviously believe Westminster knows what's best for little old Wales, that we are too small, too stupid and too poor to stand up for ourselves. Now that's what I call a limited horizon.
Why not open your eyes, widen your horizon and picture Wales joining all the other free nations of the world. The world is our oyster!
p.s I suppose it's England for you in the Euros, it certainly follows a theme :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Er, I’m English born..but unlike you and the other bigot on here, I bear no ill will to other UK countries and it’s peoples.

Even when they specialise in handball.


That’s fair enough. Hard as it may seem I have no problem with the English, my problem is with Westminster, Like the other Celtic nations we have been conquered, colonized and treated as second class citizens ever since because no matter what our MPs vote for we will always be outvoted at Westminster. Think of Tryweryn when every Welsh MP voted against the flooding of the valley but were outvoted. Westminster simply does not work for Wales or Scotland!

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:32 pm

All Westminster does is give money to the Senedd. Then the damage starts.

So you agree that after Owain Glyndwr burned Cardiff, it should be independent from the rest of Wales.

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:42 pm

BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:I find it hard to believe that many of the posters on here consider themselves Welsh. But just in case, here’s some stats regarding the different parties manifestos and their mention of Wales in them.
@Plaid_Cymru: 232
@LibDems: 22
@UKLabour: 16
@Conservatives: 15
@TheGreenParty: 15
@brexitparty_uk: 0
You can take from this what you want, but Wales is no more than an afterthought for the London based parties.


You’ll always find it hard...Nationalists usually end up disappointed in others refusal to embrace their limited horizon.


Think hard! Who has the limited horizon my friend? You want to keep the Welsh living as second class citizens in their own country, living off handouts from our colonial masters, living with limited powers unable to take our place as an independent nation amongst the other nations of the world. You obviously believe Westminster knows what's best for little old Wales, that we are too small, too stupid and too poor to stand up for ourselves. Now that's what I call a limited horizon.
Why not open your eyes, widen your horizon and picture Wales joining all the other free nations of the world. The world is our oyster!
p.s I suppose it's England for you in the Euros, it certainly follows a theme :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Er, I’m English born..but unlike you and the other bigot on here, I bear no ill will to other UK countries and it’s peoples.

Even when they specialise in handball.


That’s fair enough. Hard as it may seem I have no problem with the English, my problem is with Westminster, Like the other Celtic nations we have been conquered, colonized and treated as second class citizens ever since because no matter what our MPs vote for we will always be outvoted at Westminster. Think of Tryweryn when every Welsh MP voted against the flooding of the valley but were outvoted. Westminster simply does not work for Wales or Scotland!

Scotland was not conquered by England. Union of the Crowns and the Act of Union after England bailed us out after the disastrous Darien expedition.

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:51 pm

rumpo kid wrote:All Westminster does is give money to the Senedd. Then the damage starts.

So you agree that after Owain Glyndwr burned Cardiff, it should be independent from the rest of Wales.



Yes, well Labour, an unionist party with no ambition run the Senedd.
As for Glyndŵr and Cardiff? Cardiff was a mere collection o houses in 1404 and like most towns were destroyed by one side or another during the war for independence.

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:54 pm

Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:I find it hard to believe that many of the posters on here consider themselves Welsh. But just in case, here’s some stats regarding the different parties manifestos and their mention of Wales in them.
@Plaid_Cymru: 232
@LibDems: 22
@UKLabour: 16
@Conservatives: 15
@TheGreenParty: 15
@brexitparty_uk: 0
You can take from this what you want, but Wales is no more than an afterthought for the London based parties.


You’ll always find it hard...Nationalists usually end up disappointed in others refusal to embrace their limited horizon.


Think hard! Who has the limited horizon my friend? You want to keep the Welsh living as second class citizens in their own country, living off handouts from our colonial masters, living with limited powers unable to take our place as an independent nation amongst the other nations of the world. You obviously believe Westminster knows what's best for little old Wales, that we are too small, too stupid and too poor to stand up for ourselves. Now that's what I call a limited horizon.
Why not open your eyes, widen your horizon and picture Wales joining all the other free nations of the world. The world is our oyster!
p.s I suppose it's England for you in the Euros, it certainly follows a theme :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Er, I’m English born..but unlike you and the other bigot on here, I bear no ill will to other UK countries and it’s peoples.

Even when they specialise in handball.


That’s fair enough. Hard as it may seem I have no problem with the English, my problem is with Westminster, Like the other Celtic nations we have been conquered, colonized and treated as second class citizens ever since because no matter what our MPs vote for we will always be outvoted at Westminster. Think of Tryweryn when every Welsh MP voted against the flooding of the valley but were outvoted. Westminster simply does not work for Wales or Scotland!

Scotland was not conquered by England. Union of the Crowns and the Act of Union after England bailed us out after the disastrous Darien expedition.


Originally conquered and colonized by Edward 1

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:09 pm

I'm still unclear as to what oppression we need to be independent from.

I've certainly never had any. I've had more hostility from Welsh nationalists than anyone from Westminster or more broadly England. I have a comfortable standard of living. I get a passport that lets me travel the world. What are we being hindered by? Representative democracy?? We have national MPs. We have assembly members. We have council representatives. We probably have TOO much representative democracy!!!! Costs a fortune.

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:21 am

BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:I find it hard to believe that many of the posters on here consider themselves Welsh. But just in case, here’s some stats regarding the different parties manifestos and their mention of Wales in them.
@Plaid_Cymru: 232
@LibDems: 22
@UKLabour: 16
@Conservatives: 15
@TheGreenParty: 15
@brexitparty_uk: 0
You can take from this what you want, but Wales is no more than an afterthought for the London based parties.


You’ll always find it hard...Nationalists usually end up disappointed in others refusal to embrace their limited horizon.


Think hard! Who has the limited horizon my friend? You want to keep the Welsh living as second class citizens in their own country, living off handouts from our colonial masters, living with limited powers unable to take our place as an independent nation amongst the other nations of the world. You obviously believe Westminster knows what's best for little old Wales, that we are too small, too stupid and too poor to stand up for ourselves. Now that's what I call a limited horizon.
Why not open your eyes, widen your horizon and picture Wales joining all the other free nations of the world. The world is our oyster!
p.s I suppose it's England for you in the Euros, it certainly follows a theme :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:




living off hand outs..
is that not why everyone that preaches independence also wants to remain in the EU..?

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:10 am

Plaid and the Liberals, several of them, sing off the same hymn sheet which I'm sure we'll all agree with.
Plaids top dude made a great speech for the left wing fools but made the crucial error about where the money is coming from, Engerland.

Independence for Wales paid for by English tax payers.

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:28 am

BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:All Westminster does is give money to the Senedd. Then the damage starts.

So you agree that after Owain Glyndwr burned Cardiff, it should be independent from the rest of Wales.



Yes, well Labour, an unionist party with no ambition run the Senedd.
As for Glyndŵr and Cardiff? Cardiff was a mere collection o houses in 1404 and like most towns were destroyed by one side or another during the war for independence.



Did you see Adam Price last night... his interview coach must be Dianne Abbott. Was tied up in knots fairly easily by a placid host.

Welshrarebit poses an interesting question. What is this oppression from which we need to be relieved?

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:34 am

Corbyn the clown in the news today

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... bi-brexit/

Archbishop of Canterbury supports Chief Rabbi over anti-Semitism row, saying Jews feel 'deep sense of fear' '- latest news

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ke-labour/

Chief Rabbi says Jeremy Corbyn is not fit for high office in wake of Labour anti-Semitism

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:52 am

BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:I find it hard to believe that many of the posters on here consider themselves Welsh. But just in case, here’s some stats regarding the different parties manifestos and their mention of Wales in them.
@Plaid_Cymru: 232
@LibDems: 22
@UKLabour: 16
@Conservatives: 15
@TheGreenParty: 15
@brexitparty_uk: 0
You can take from this what you want, but Wales is no more than an afterthought for the London based parties.


You’ll always find it hard...Nationalists usually end up disappointed in others refusal to embrace their limited horizon.


Think hard! Who has the limited horizon my friend? You want to keep the Welsh living as second class citizens in their own country, living off handouts from our colonial masters, living with limited powers unable to take our place as an independent nation amongst the other nations of the world. You obviously believe Westminster knows what's best for little old Wales, that we are too small, too stupid and too poor to stand up for ourselves. Now that's what I call a limited horizon.
Why not open your eyes, widen your horizon and picture Wales joining all the other free nations of the world. The world is our oyster!
p.s I suppose it's England for you in the Euros, it certainly follows a theme :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Er, I’m English born..but unlike you and the other bigot on here, I bear no ill will to other UK countries and it’s peoples.

Even when they specialise in handball.


That’s fair enough. Hard as it may seem I have no problem with the English, my problem is with Westminster, Like the other Celtic nations we have been conquered, colonized and treated as second class citizens ever since because no matter what our MPs vote for we will always be outvoted at Westminster. Think of Tryweryn when every Welsh MP voted against the flooding of the valley but were outvoted. Westminster simply does not work for Wales or Scotland!

Scotland was not conquered by England. Union of the Crowns and the Act of Union after England bailed us out after the disastrous Darien expedition.


Originally conquered and colonized by Edward 1

Your ignorance of Scottish history is only matched by your ignorance of politics and economics. You absolutely useless qunt.

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:56 am

Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:I find it hard to believe that many of the posters on here consider themselves Welsh. But just in case, here’s some stats regarding the different parties manifestos and their mention of Wales in them.
@Plaid_Cymru: 232
@LibDems: 22
@UKLabour: 16
@Conservatives: 15
@TheGreenParty: 15
@brexitparty_uk: 0
You can take from this what you want, but Wales is no more than an afterthought for the London based parties.


You’ll always find it hard...Nationalists usually end up disappointed in others refusal to embrace their limited horizon.


Think hard! Who has the limited horizon my friend? You want to keep the Welsh living as second class citizens in their own country, living off handouts from our colonial masters, living with limited powers unable to take our place as an independent nation amongst the other nations of the world. You obviously believe Westminster knows what's best for little old Wales, that we are too small, too stupid and too poor to stand up for ourselves. Now that's what I call a limited horizon.
Why not open your eyes, widen your horizon and picture Wales joining all the other free nations of the world. The world is our oyster!
p.s I suppose it's England for you in the Euros, it certainly follows a theme :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Er, I’m English born..but unlike you and the other bigot on here, I bear no ill will to other UK countries and it’s peoples.

Even when they specialise in handball.


That’s fair enough. Hard as it may seem I have no problem with the English, my problem is with Westminster, Like the other Celtic nations we have been conquered, colonized and treated as second class citizens ever since because no matter what our MPs vote for we will always be outvoted at Westminster. Think of Tryweryn when every Welsh MP voted against the flooding of the valley but were outvoted. Westminster simply does not work for Wales or Scotland!

Scotland was not conquered by England. Union of the Crowns and the Act of Union after England bailed us out after the disastrous Darien expedition.


Originally conquered and colonized by Edward 1

Your ignorance of Scottish history is only matched by your ignorance of politics and economics. You absolutely useless qunt.


:laughing6:

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:40 am

rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:I find it hard to believe that many of the posters on here consider themselves Welsh. But just in case, here’s some stats regarding the different parties manifestos and their mention of Wales in them.
@Plaid_Cymru: 232
@LibDems: 22
@UKLabour: 16
@Conservatives: 15
@TheGreenParty: 15
@brexitparty_uk: 0
You can take from this what you want, but Wales is no more than an afterthought for the London based parties.


You’ll always find it hard...Nationalists usually end up disappointed in others refusal to embrace their limited horizon.


Think hard! Who has the limited horizon my friend? You want to keep the Welsh living as second class citizens in their own country, living off handouts from our colonial masters, living with limited powers unable to take our place as an independent nation amongst the other nations of the world. You obviously believe Westminster knows what's best for little old Wales, that we are too small, too stupid and too poor to stand up for ourselves. Now that's what I call a limited horizon.
Why not open your eyes, widen your horizon and picture Wales joining all the other free nations of the world. The world is our oyster!
p.s I suppose it's England for you in the Euros, it certainly follows a theme :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Er, I’m English born..but unlike you and the other bigot on here, I bear no ill will to other UK countries and it’s peoples.

Even when they specialise in handball.

:lol: :shock: :lol: let it go mate.

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:49 am

Jock wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:I find it hard to believe that many of the posters on here consider themselves Welsh. But just in case, here’s some stats regarding the different parties manifestos and their mention of Wales in them.
@Plaid_Cymru: 232
@LibDems: 22
@UKLabour: 16
@Conservatives: 15
@TheGreenParty: 15
@brexitparty_uk: 0
You can take from this what you want, but Wales is no more than an afterthought for the London based parties.


You’ll always find it hard...Nationalists usually end up disappointed in others refusal to embrace their limited horizon.


Think hard! Who has the limited horizon my friend? You want to keep the Welsh living as second class citizens in their own country, living off handouts from our colonial masters, living with limited powers unable to take our place as an independent nation amongst the other nations of the world. You obviously believe Westminster knows what's best for little old Wales, that we are too small, too stupid and too poor to stand up for ourselves. Now that's what I call a limited horizon.
Why not open your eyes, widen your horizon and picture Wales joining all the other free nations of the world. The world is our oyster!
p.s I suppose it's England for you in the Euros, it certainly follows a theme :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Er, I’m English born..but unlike you and the other bigot on here, I bear no ill will to other UK countries and it’s peoples.

Even when they specialise in handball.

:lol: :shock: :lol: let it go mate.




Was there that night jock should have had his hand chopped off as punishment! :laughing5:

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:10 pm

rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:All Westminster does is give money to the Senedd. Then the damage starts.

So you agree that after Owain Glyndwr burned Cardiff, it should be independent from the rest of Wales.



Yes, well Labour, an unionist party with no ambition run the Senedd.
As for Glyndŵr and Cardiff? Cardiff was a mere collection o houses in 1404 and like most towns were destroyed by one side or another during the war for independence.



Did you see Adam Price last night... his interview coach must be Dianne Abbott. Was tied up in knots fairly easily by a placid host.

Welshrarebit poses an interesting question. What is this oppression from which we need to be relieved?



they say it all the time so obviously feel oppressed mate. no doubt at some point in the future it will become a recognised illness.

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:50 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Jock wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:I find it hard to believe that many of the posters on here consider themselves Welsh. But just in case, here’s some stats regarding the different parties manifestos and their mention of Wales in them.
@Plaid_Cymru: 232
@LibDems: 22
@UKLabour: 16
@Conservatives: 15
@TheGreenParty: 15
@brexitparty_uk: 0
You can take from this what you want, but Wales is no more than an afterthought for the London based parties.


You’ll always find it hard...Nationalists usually end up disappointed in others refusal to embrace their limited horizon.


Think hard! Who has the limited horizon my friend? You want to keep the Welsh living as second class citizens in their own country, living off handouts from our colonial masters, living with limited powers unable to take our place as an independent nation amongst the other nations of the world. You obviously believe Westminster knows what's best for little old Wales, that we are too small, too stupid and too poor to stand up for ourselves. Now that's what I call a limited horizon.
Why not open your eyes, widen your horizon and picture Wales joining all the other free nations of the world. The world is our oyster!
p.s I suppose it's England for you in the Euros, it certainly follows a theme :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Er, I’m English born..but unlike you and the other bigot on here, I bear no ill will to other UK countries and it’s peoples.

Even when they specialise in handball.

:lol: :shock: :lol: let it go mate.




Was there that night jock should have had his hand chopped off as punishment! :laughing5:

It was disgusting and Jordan still hasn’t admitted he handled it. I was supposed to go to the game on the Barry bus from the Zoo but didn’t go, thank Christ I didn’t because I think it would have ended badly for me :lol:

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:52 pm

Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:I find it hard to believe that many of the posters on here consider themselves Welsh. But just in case, here’s some stats regarding the different parties manifestos and their mention of Wales in them.
@Plaid_Cymru: 232
@LibDems: 22
@UKLabour: 16
@Conservatives: 15
@TheGreenParty: 15
@brexitparty_uk: 0
You can take from this what you want, but Wales is no more than an afterthought for the London based parties.


You’ll always find it hard...Nationalists usually end up disappointed in others refusal to embrace their limited horizon.


Think hard! Who has the limited horizon my friend? You want to keep the Welsh living as second class citizens in their own country, living off handouts from our colonial masters, living with limited powers unable to take our place as an independent nation amongst the other nations of the world. You obviously believe Westminster knows what's best for little old Wales, that we are too small, too stupid and too poor to stand up for ourselves. Now that's what I call a limited horizon.
Why not open your eyes, widen your horizon and picture Wales joining all the other free nations of the world. The world is our oyster!
p.s I suppose it's England for you in the Euros, it certainly follows a theme :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Er, I’m English born..but unlike you and the other bigot on here, I bear no ill will to other UK countries and it’s peoples.

Even when they specialise in handball.


That’s fair enough. Hard as it may seem I have no problem with the English, my problem is with Westminster, Like the other Celtic nations we have been conquered, colonized and treated as second class citizens ever since because no matter what our MPs vote for we will always be outvoted at Westminster. Think of Tryweryn when every Welsh MP voted against the flooding of the valley but were outvoted. Westminster simply does not work for Wales or Scotland!

Scotland was not conquered by England. Union of the Crowns and the Act of Union after England bailed us out after the disastrous Darien expedition.


Originally conquered and colonized by Edward 1

Your ignorance of Scottish history is only matched by your ignorance of politics and economics. You absolutely useless qunt.


BJ is going down well in Scotland with the mantra up there being less ‘Keep Johnson out’ but ‘Keep Sturgeon out’ to preserve the Union.

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:55 pm

Danny Says wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:I find it hard to believe that many of the posters on here consider themselves Welsh. But just in case, here’s some stats regarding the different parties manifestos and their mention of Wales in them.
@Plaid_Cymru: 232
@LibDems: 22
@UKLabour: 16
@Conservatives: 15
@TheGreenParty: 15
@brexitparty_uk: 0
You can take from this what you want, but Wales is no more than an afterthought for the London based parties.


You’ll always find it hard...Nationalists usually end up disappointed in others refusal to embrace their limited horizon.


Think hard! Who has the limited horizon my friend? You want to keep the Welsh living as second class citizens in their own country, living off handouts from our colonial masters, living with limited powers unable to take our place as an independent nation amongst the other nations of the world. You obviously believe Westminster knows what's best for little old Wales, that we are too small, too stupid and too poor to stand up for ourselves. Now that's what I call a limited horizon.
Why not open your eyes, widen your horizon and picture Wales joining all the other free nations of the world. The world is our oyster!
p.s I suppose it's England for you in the Euros, it certainly follows a theme :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Er, I’m English born..but unlike you and the other bigot on here, I bear no ill will to other UK countries and it’s peoples.

Even when they specialise in handball.


That’s fair enough. Hard as it may seem I have no problem with the English, my problem is with Westminster, Like the other Celtic nations we have been conquered, colonized and treated as second class citizens ever since because no matter what our MPs vote for we will always be outvoted at Westminster. Think of Tryweryn when every Welsh MP voted against the flooding of the valley but were outvoted. Westminster simply does not work for Wales or Scotland!

Scotland was not conquered by England. Union of the Crowns and the Act of Union after England bailed us out after the disastrous Darien expedition.


Originally conquered and colonized by Edward 1

Your ignorance of Scottish history is only matched by your ignorance of politics and economics. You absolutely useless qunt.


BJ is going down well in Scotland with the mantra up there being less ‘Keep Johnson out’ but ‘Keep Sturgeon out’ to preserve the Union.

Lots of tactical voting going on to keep Krankie out but I think the Natz will walk it..

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:06 pm

Jock wrote:
Danny Says wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:
BlueGog wrote:I find it hard to believe that many of the posters on here consider themselves Welsh. But just in case, here’s some stats regarding the different parties manifestos and their mention of Wales in them.
@Plaid_Cymru: 232
@LibDems: 22
@UKLabour: 16
@Conservatives: 15
@TheGreenParty: 15
@brexitparty_uk: 0
You can take from this what you want, but Wales is no more than an afterthought for the London based parties.


You’ll always find it hard...Nationalists usually end up disappointed in others refusal to embrace their limited horizon.


Think hard! Who has the limited horizon my friend? You want to keep the Welsh living as second class citizens in their own country, living off handouts from our colonial masters, living with limited powers unable to take our place as an independent nation amongst the other nations of the world. You obviously believe Westminster knows what's best for little old Wales, that we are too small, too stupid and too poor to stand up for ourselves. Now that's what I call a limited horizon.
Why not open your eyes, widen your horizon and picture Wales joining all the other free nations of the world. The world is our oyster!
p.s I suppose it's England for you in the Euros, it certainly follows a theme :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Er, I’m English born..but unlike you and the other bigot on here, I bear no ill will to other UK countries and it’s peoples.

Even when they specialise in handball.


That’s fair enough. Hard as it may seem I have no problem with the English, my problem is with Westminster, Like the other Celtic nations we have been conquered, colonized and treated as second class citizens ever since because no matter what our MPs vote for we will always be outvoted at Westminster. Think of Tryweryn when every Welsh MP voted against the flooding of the valley but were outvoted. Westminster simply does not work for Wales or Scotland!

Scotland was not conquered by England. Union of the Crowns and the Act of Union after England bailed us out after the disastrous Darien expedition.


Originally conquered and colonized by Edward 1

Your ignorance of Scottish history is only matched by your ignorance of politics and economics. You absolutely useless qunt.


BJ is going down well in Scotland with the mantra up there being less ‘Keep Johnson out’ but ‘Keep Sturgeon out’ to preserve the Union.

Lots of tactical voting going on to keep Krankie out but I think the Natz will walk it..


Ironically if the SNs has had their way in the referendum then there wouldn’t be any Scottish MPs which would have made BJs task easier!

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:07 pm

I can still hear the commentary by the neutral Hamish McTaggart..

‘och, it’sa penulte..’

Sorry to go ot..

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:22 pm

rumpo kid wrote:I can still hear the commentary by the neutral Hamish McTaggart..

‘och, it’sa penulte..’

Sorry to go ot..

shockingly bad Scottish accent. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:34 pm

Boris, never done it before for Cons, but time for change :ayatollah:

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:37 pm

Always been labour as a Merthyr boy, born and bred, won't be voting this time

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:01 pm

Getting Messy Today :o

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:41 pm

rumpo kid wrote:I can still hear the commentary by the neutral Hamish McTaggart..

‘och, it’sa penulte..’

Sorry to go ot..


It was a foul throw as well. :roll:

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:57 pm

Silence on here about the confirmation that the US want the conservatives to deliver brexit (particularly no deal) so they can attack the NHS, workers rights, food standards, our court systems etc.
If we move to an American healthcare system that the conservatives and farage want and paying American prices for healthcare you will be voting for you and your children pay, for example:
$500 dollars per stitch
$10,000 to have a baby (without complications)
$2000 just to get an ambulance.
If you vote Tory then you're voting for that

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:11 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:Silence on here about the confirmation that the US want the conservatives to deliver brexit (particularly no deal) so they can attack the NHS, workers rights, food standards, our court systems etc.
If we move to an American healthcare system that the conservatives and farage want and paying American prices for healthcare you will be voting for you and your children pay, for example:
$500 dollars per stitch
$10,000 to have a baby (without complications)
$2000 just to get an ambulance.
If you vote Tory then you're voting for that


If you watched the debate on BBC last Friday then BJ rubbished your (unfounded) fears.

The sooner the Tories start to publicly analyse, dissect and shred to bits the fatuous economic plans of the hard left the sooner the electorate will realise voting for a Marxist would destroy the country.

Aside from the refusal to be categorical one way or the other on defence and the Union.

All these issues should now be concentrated on in CAPITAL letters so they’re hammered home parallel to Brexit to ensure a Tory working majority.

In summary its not solely a Brexit election but about how unfit Corbyn is.

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:19 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:Silence on here about the confirmation that the US want the conservatives to deliver brexit (particularly no deal) so they can attack the NHS, workers rights, food standards, our court systems etc.
If we move to an American healthcare system that the conservatives and farage want and paying American prices for healthcare you will be voting for you and your children pay, for example:
$500 dollars per stitch
$10,000 to have a baby (without complications)
$2000 just to get an ambulance.
If you vote Tory then you're voting for that



It's only what yanks would like just like EU want things its upto us if we go ahead with anything they ask.. just like if Corbyn was in power and his mates ask him for something would he give it to them? And if you think we will have an American health system you are plainly dont understand anything... most of what they propose centres around drugs as its cheaper here and EU than USA.. again it's all scaremongering to gain votes! Ps a lot of nhs is run by foreign companies and we do have private health care , usa health system will not come to uk it is that simple it wont be allowed by MPs or the people if it ever came to that .

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:20 pm

Danny Says wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Silence on here about the confirmation that the US want the conservatives to deliver brexit (particularly no deal) so they can attack the NHS, workers rights, food standards, our court systems etc.
If we move to an American healthcare system that the conservatives and farage want and paying American prices for healthcare you will be voting for you and your children pay, for example:
$500 dollars per stitch
$10,000 to have a baby (without complications)
$2000 just to get an ambulance.
If you vote Tory then you're voting for that


If you watched the debate on BBC last Friday then BJ rubbished your (unfounded) fears.

The sooner the Tories start to publicly analyse, dissect and shred to bits the fatuous economic plans of the hard left the sooner the electorate will realise voting for a Marxist would destroy the country.

Aside from the refusal to be categorical one way or the other on defence and the Union.

All these issues should now be concentrated on in CAPITAL letters so they’re hammered home parallel to Brexit to ensure a Tory working majority.

In summary its not solely a Brexit election but about how unfit Corbyn is.

The same honest Johnson who has:
Been fired from the times for lying
Sacked from the Tory front bench for lying
Lied to the queen
Lied about no hard border
Lied about the promises of new hospitals and doctors
Lied to a member of the public about being filmed when the cameras were next to them
Lied about not closing fire stations
Fired again for lying
Amongst others.
Can you see why I might not believe him...
And they aren't unfounded as you can see the documents

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:26 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Danny Says wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Silence on here about the confirmation that the US want the conservatives to deliver brexit (particularly no deal) so they can attack the NHS, workers rights, food standards, our court systems etc.
If we move to an American healthcare system that the conservatives and farage want and paying American prices for healthcare you will be voting for you and your children pay, for example:
$500 dollars per stitch
$10,000 to have a baby (without complications)
$2000 just to get an ambulance.
If you vote Tory then you're voting for that


If you watched the debate on BBC last Friday then BJ rubbished your (unfounded) fears.

The sooner the Tories start to publicly analyse, dissect and shred to bits the fatuous economic plans of the hard left the sooner the electorate will realise voting for a Marxist would destroy the country.

Aside from the refusal to be categorical one way or the other on defence and the Union.

All these issues should now be concentrated on in CAPITAL letters so they’re hammered home parallel to Brexit to ensure a Tory working majority.

In summary its not solely a Brexit election but about how unfit Corbyn is.

The same honest Johnson who has:
Been fired from the times for lying
Sacked from the Tory front bench for lying
Lied to the queen
Lied about no hard border
Lied about the promises of new hospitals and doctors
Lied to a member of the public about being filmed when the cameras were next to them
Lied about not closing fire stations
Fired again for lying
Amongst others.
Can you see why I might not believe him...
And they aren't unfounded as you can see the documents



Yet you believe those who we know lied about what would happen if we voted to leave the EU. Don't forget, they didn't tell us what would happen after we left, they gave us the doom and gloom scenario as to what would happen just by voting to leave. You choose to believe forecasts, but ignore the proven lies.