OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

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If the election was today, who would you prefer to become Prime Minister?

Boris Johnson
110
53%
Jeremy Corbyn
61
30%
Neither
35
17%
 
Total votes : 206

Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Postby rumpo kid » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:10 pm

And it’s not a ‘man’ parked in his car, its’person’..

Bloody extremists everywhere.
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Postby Jock » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:33 pm

rumpo kid wrote:And it’s not a ‘man’ parked in his car, its’person’..

Bloody extremists everywhere.

A gender fluid obese left handed black lesbian saxophonist who was self identifying as a skinny ginger white man for the day?
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Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Postby Jock » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:39 pm

LaBamba wrote:
Jock wrote:
Jock wrote:
LaBamba wrote:
Danny Says wrote:
shinyBlueGlue wrote:There is not one party who is any good at the moment. However, Corbyn is a dangerous fantasist.

Fee internet, 4 day week, billions to Waspi women, free education, defense slashed. All this and more does not add up, there is not enough money in the bank.

He said he will keep trident but will never use it... well get rid of it then you dick or pretend that you would use it ffs.

Immigration is a good thing in proportion, but Jerry wants it on mass, this never works.

Have a look at Labours record, it never works because the spend too much and put the country into massive debt that has to be paid back

Oh, and that's not before he has said people who have more children will get more money and we all know people in this day and age who have more than 4 kids are scamming the system.

He's useless and I cannot believe people will vote for him


The WASPI enticement is not only irresponsible but a dishonest promise that would not be possible to enact.

The Marxist should come clean and withdraw it.

The whole manifesto is fantasy and would drag the UK back into the dark ages.

The gullible young voters didn't have to live with secondary picketing and rubbish piling up in the streets.

His resorting to such blatant and disreputable election mongering is scandalous and the pertinent section of the electorate (the WASPIS) should not suckered into it.

It’s staggering how anybody would want to vote for a party who’d win a race to the bottom.

The Tories have to get their momentum back on track and attack more publicly the impending disasters the nation faced if the dangerous loony left get into no 10.


Gullible young voters did live through austerity and a financial crisis though...

As I said I dont want either of them. Boris is a Racist homophobe who has been fired twice for lying, lied to the queen and regularly lies to the public. He has no regard for what's best for the country only his own political means.

You must be joking about the election mongering after Boris comes up with new unwritten areas of his manifesto following a terrorist attack where the parents of those who died specifically asked not to have their children involved.

What about the 40 hospitals - only 6 being built
50000 nurses - 20k of them already work for the NHS
NIC reductions which havent been scheduled in the finances of the manifesto
Increasing police numbers, despite the fact they cut them in the first place

It's ok to write off the youth vote as gullibility and stupidity but that can only be put at the feet of the tories who have made no effort to make any policies that would appeal to them. For example the youth population is becoming a rental generation who could never own a house because it's not affordable.

How you cant see there are many issues which the tories arent addressing at current is beyond me. In addition to that they have divided a country by raising a vote that frankly the majority of people dont understand the true complexities of.

What’s he done that’s racist, why do you call him a homophobe? Most of Europe rents and has done for generations. Unlike you I can’t speak for others but I knew exactly what I voted for in the referendum.


You must be joking...

Homophobic -
Calling gay men rent boys
Saying marrying a man is equivalent to him marrying a dog

Racism beyond the standard islamophobic letter box, islamaphobia is natural selection comments? I mean islamaphobic events have increased as a direct result of his comments and rather than address that he has avoided an enquiry into it which would expose it.

Then if that's not enough obviously there was the article while at the spectator which supported eugenics (selective human breeding) and stated black people have lower IQ.
I mean if that isnt racist then what is?

Lecturing condescending tone, random quotes pulled from fekkknows but must be true because someone on a Marxist website said it was, drowning in ridiculous leftist dogma. You don’t happen to know a Josh do you, he’s not online today but you are...................... :lol:
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Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Postby rumpo kid » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:51 pm

yeah, a right shop steward Jock.. his ilk have made Labour unelectable. Shame in a way..
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Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Postby LaBamba » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:21 pm

Jock wrote:
LaBamba wrote:
Jock wrote:
Jock wrote:
LaBamba wrote:
Danny Says wrote:
shinyBlueGlue wrote:There is not one party who is any good at the moment. However, Corbyn is a dangerous fantasist.

Fee internet, 4 day week, billions to Waspi women, free education, defense slashed. All this and more does not add up, there is not enough money in the bank.

He said he will keep trident but will never use it... well get rid of it then you dick or pretend that you would use it ffs.

Immigration is a good thing in proportion, but Jerry wants it on mass, this never works.

Have a look at Labours record, it never works because the spend too much and put the country into massive debt that has to be paid back

Oh, and that's not before he has said people who have more children will get more money and we all know people in this day and age who have more than 4 kids are scamming the system.

He's useless and I cannot believe people will vote for him


The WASPI enticement is not only irresponsible but a dishonest promise that would not be possible to enact.

The Marxist should come clean and withdraw it.

The whole manifesto is fantasy and would drag the UK back into the dark ages.

The gullible young voters didn't have to live with secondary picketing and rubbish piling up in the streets.

His resorting to such blatant and disreputable election mongering is scandalous and the pertinent section of the electorate (the WASPIS) should not suckered into it.

It’s staggering how anybody would want to vote for a party who’d win a race to the bottom.

The Tories have to get their momentum back on track and attack more publicly the impending disasters the nation faced if the dangerous loony left get into no 10.


Gullible young voters did live through austerity and a financial crisis though...

As I said I dont want either of them. Boris is a Racist homophobe who has been fired twice for lying, lied to the queen and regularly lies to the public. He has no regard for what's best for the country only his own political means.

You must be joking about the election mongering after Boris comes up with new unwritten areas of his manifesto following a terrorist attack where the parents of those who died specifically asked not to have their children involved.

What about the 40 hospitals - only 6 being built
50000 nurses - 20k of them already work for the NHS
NIC reductions which havent been scheduled in the finances of the manifesto
Increasing police numbers, despite the fact they cut them in the first place

It's ok to write off the youth vote as gullibility and stupidity but that can only be put at the feet of the tories who have made no effort to make any policies that would appeal to them. For example the youth population is becoming a rental generation who could never own a house because it's not affordable.

How you cant see there are many issues which the tories arent addressing at current is beyond me. In addition to that they have divided a country by raising a vote that frankly the majority of people dont understand the true complexities of.

What’s he done that’s racist, why do you call him a homophobe? Most of Europe rents and has done for generations. Unlike you I can’t speak for others but I knew exactly what I voted for in the referendum.


You must be joking...

Homophobic -
Calling gay men rent boys
Saying marrying a man is equivalent to him marrying a dog

Racism beyond the standard islamophobic letter box, islamaphobia is natural selection comments? I mean islamaphobic events have increased as a direct result of his comments and rather than address that he has avoided an enquiry into it which would expose it.

Then if that's not enough obviously there was the article while at the spectator which supported eugenics (selective human breeding) and stated black people have lower IQ.
I mean if that isnt racist then what is?

Lecturing condescending tone, random quotes pulled from fekkknows but must be true because someone on a Marxist website said it was, drowning in ridiculous leftist dogma. You don’t happen to know a Josh do you, he’s not online today but you are...................... :lol:


It wasnt condescending, more incredulous that people dont recognise that Boris Johnson has made racist comments in the past.
The letter box and rent boys comment has been so well publicised its absurd that anyone ignore it.

The black iq article he had to publicly apologise for... they arent hard to find if you look.

You can call it a dogma if you like, but they are real quotes which show his thought processes. They cant be denied. Therefore if you ignore them that's a dogma of it's own. It's ok to acknowledge that boris johnson isnt perfect while disliking JC more.

I'm not indoctrinated enough to ignore the flaws of one while acknowledging them in the other. Additionally these marxists websites include the independent, times, ft and the economist.
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Postby rumpo kid » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:56 pm

I'm not indoctrinated enough to ignore the flaws of one while acknowledging them in the other. Additionally these marxists websites include the independent, times, ft and the economist.

Marxist indeed, but cultural not economic. The process has been complete for some time.
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Postby Willlly the Wombat » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:17 am

Bizarre in the extreme.
I try to reply but site goes tits up, no opinion from Willly allowed it appears.

All I was going to contribute was the hypocrisy of Plaid. They've fucked most ordinary working folk, as in non left wing socialist freaks for many, many years, shoving the drivel down everyone's throats about Welsh language flob.

Hey ho, they use the UK government money to fund their party political broadcasts in the English language, the one they detest!! Could it be that the vast majority of Welsh folk wouldn't have a fuckin clue what they would babbling on about if spoken in welsh language?
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Postby Willlly the Wombat » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:40 am

"Racism beyond the standard islamophobic letter box, islamaphobia is natural selection comments? I mean islamaphobic events have increased as a direct result of his comments and rather than address that he has avoided an enquiry into it which would expose it."

You my little beared friend are an utter joke. "phobia, phobic", such bad grasp of the language we all speak, infers a fear. I doubt there's a person on the planet that "fears" Islam, it's purely a brand name for one of the very old religious cults. Up to them for raping young girls in the name of their "religion or cult", selling teenage girls from Eastern Europe into the sexual slavery UK market, mostly used by left wing beared utter freaks by the way but no doubt you ignore that as it's not in the guardian. I'll make no comment as to that filth.

In essence, only the left wing bed wetters have a perceived have a phobia of islam, us normal folk have no fear whatsoever, it's just a money scam for the likes of you. But please feel free to support the subjugation of woman, the mutilation of their clits and confirm that life. You are a socialist after all so only to be expected.
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Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Postby Jock » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:33 am

LaBamba wrote:
Jock wrote:
LaBamba wrote:
Jock wrote:
Jock wrote:
LaBamba wrote:
Danny Says wrote:
shinyBlueGlue wrote:There is not one party who is any good at the moment. However, Corbyn is a dangerous fantasist.

Fee internet, 4 day week, billions to Waspi women, free education, defense slashed. All this and more does not add up, there is not enough money in the bank.

He said he will keep trident but will never use it... well get rid of it then you dick or pretend that you would use it ffs.

Immigration is a good thing in proportion, but Jerry wants it on mass, this never works.

Have a look at Labours record, it never works because the spend too much and put the country into massive debt that has to be paid back

Oh, and that's not before he has said people who have more children will get more money and we all know people in this day and age who have more than 4 kids are scamming the system.

He's useless and I cannot believe people will vote for him


The WASPI enticement is not only irresponsible but a dishonest promise that would not be possible to enact.

The Marxist should come clean and withdraw it.

The whole manifesto is fantasy and would drag the UK back into the dark ages.

The gullible young voters didn't have to live with secondary picketing and rubbish piling up in the streets.

His resorting to such blatant and disreputable election mongering is scandalous and the pertinent section of the electorate (the WASPIS) should not suckered into it.

It’s staggering how anybody would want to vote for a party who’d win a race to the bottom.

The Tories have to get their momentum back on track and attack more publicly the impending disasters the nation faced if the dangerous loony left get into no 10.


Gullible young voters did live through austerity and a financial crisis though...

As I said I dont want either of them. Boris is a Racist homophobe who has been fired twice for lying, lied to the queen and regularly lies to the public. He has no regard for what's best for the country only his own political means.

You must be joking about the election mongering after Boris comes up with new unwritten areas of his manifesto following a terrorist attack where the parents of those who died specifically asked not to have their children involved.

What about the 40 hospitals - only 6 being built
50000 nurses - 20k of them already work for the NHS
NIC reductions which havent been scheduled in the finances of the manifesto
Increasing police numbers, despite the fact they cut them in the first place

It's ok to write off the youth vote as gullibility and stupidity but that can only be put at the feet of the tories who have made no effort to make any policies that would appeal to them. For example the youth population is becoming a rental generation who could never own a house because it's not affordable.

How you cant see there are many issues which the tories arent addressing at current is beyond me. In addition to that they have divided a country by raising a vote that frankly the majority of people dont understand the true complexities of.

What’s he done that’s racist, why do you call him a homophobe? Most of Europe rents and has done for generations. Unlike you I can’t speak for others but I knew exactly what I voted for in the referendum.


You must be joking...

Homophobic -
Calling gay men rent boys
Saying marrying a man is equivalent to him marrying a dog

Racism beyond the standard islamophobic letter box, islamaphobia is natural selection comments? I mean islamaphobic events have increased as a direct result of his comments and rather than address that he has avoided an enquiry into it which would expose it.

Then if that's not enough obviously there was the article while at the spectator which supported eugenics (selective human breeding) and stated black people have lower IQ.
I mean if that isnt racist then what is?

Lecturing condescending tone, random quotes pulled from fekkknows but must be true because someone on a Marxist website said it was, drowning in ridiculous leftist dogma. You don’t happen to know a Josh do you, he’s not online today but you are...................... :lol:


It wasnt condescending, more incredulous that people dont recognise that Boris Johnson has made racist comments in the past.
The letter box and rent boys comment has been so well publicised its absurd that anyone ignore it.

The black iq article he had to publicly apologise for... they arent hard to find if you look.

You can call it a dogma if you like, but they are real quotes which show his thought processes. They cant be denied. Therefore if you ignore them that's a dogma of it's own. It's ok to acknowledge that boris johnson isnt perfect while disliking JC more.

I'm not indoctrinated enough to ignore the flaws of one while acknowledging them in the other. Additionally these marxists websites include the independent, times, ft and the economist.

Thing is women in burkas look ridiculous an Johnson made a joke about it, while defending peoples right to wear what they want.I’ve been down here 40 years and had literally thousands of jokes about kilts, haggis and deep fried Mars Bars, not racist just taking the piss, we’re a piss taking nation so if you can’t take a joke don’t move here.
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Postby rumpo kid » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:22 pm

Jock wrote:Thing is women in burkas look ridiculous an Johnson made a joke about it, while defending peoples right to wear what they want.I’ve been down here 40 years and had literally thousands of jokes about kilts, haggis and deep fried Mars Bars, not racist just taking the piss, we’re a piss taking nation so if you can’t take a joke don’t move here.


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Postby Brianclark5 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:12 pm

Corbyn - Boris is a lying clown
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Postby CityBlue93 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:41 pm

ElyBoy1984 wrote: Germany after the war, every magazine, newspaper, book, film or play required a licence to publish, granted by a Jewish American Psychiatrist.


Where did you read that not heard about that before
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Postby ElyBoy1984 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:03 pm

CityBlue93 wrote:
ElyBoy1984 wrote: Germany after the war, every magazine, newspaper, book, film or play required a licence to publish, granted by a Jewish American Psychiatrist.


Where did you read that not heard about that before


You wouldn't have heard it on our media.
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Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Postby Clubfortyfourer » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:02 am

This is fixed poll
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Postby Clubfortyfourer » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:03 am

Fixed poll , it won’t let you support Labour, Annis and your site is a joke !!
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Postby Clubfortyfourer » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:11 am

You are breaching offcom conditions, people should report this site and have it taken down if it’s blocking Labour supporters, I tried to vote Labour in this poll and I was blocked by your moderators ?? Bias towards Brexit and Tommy Robinson supporters!! This Forum is a Farce and it should be non political if you have moderates !!
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Postby Sven » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:43 am

Clubfortyfourer wrote:You are breaching offcom conditions, people should report this site and have it taken down if it’s blocking Labour supporters, I tried to vote Labour in this poll and I was blocked by your moderators ?? Bias towards Brexit and Tommy Robinson supporters!! This Forum is a Farce and it should be non political if you have moderates !!

I just checked an no one has done anything of the sort, so you're the farce! :oops:

What part of "Boris or Corbyn at this point?" makes you think you should have a Labour (or Conservative for that matter) option? :?
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Postby ElyBoy1984 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:37 am

Having seen some comments today about the London Bridge terrorist attack. It's clear that leftist liberals are now a brainwashed suicide cult.

Dragging everyone down on their sinking ship. At times, it is hard to have pity but they are the victims of intense brain washing, therefore i pray for their awakening to the Logos.

If anyone doubts the globalists ability or means to brainwash a population look at Germany after the war, every magazine, newspaper, book, film or play required a licence to publish, granted by a Jewish American Psychiatrist. The result: A docile, subservient press that ended up promoting Sexual "Scientist" Alfred Kinsey, Gay Sex, Obscenities(sick German porn), and a self loathing on the German people. Current German leader Angela Merkal would've been subjected to this brainwashing, which explains her behaviour...

Why is it that No other ethnic group hate themselves apart from White Europeans? This is what i mean by intense brainwashing. It is completely unnatural to hate your own people, allowing a cultural genocide on ones self.
I wish i could say more about who are behind it, but free and rational debate ended some time ago, which is scary as history tells us, when free speech is taken away by those in power, the outcome isn't good.

What was once prohibited is now being celebrated. And vice versa. Tolerance is nothing but a ploy to get a foot in the door.
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Postby rumpo kid » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:45 pm

Clubfortyfourer wrote:Fixed poll , it won’t let you support Labour, Annis and your site is a joke !!


Well stay off it then Dianne..
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Postby pembroke allan » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:51 pm

Clubfortyfourer wrote:Fixed poll , it won’t let you support Labour, Annis and your site is a joke !!





:laughing6: it's a football forum not a morey poll! Or do you think it's the election already? :laughing5:
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Postby Danny Says » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:50 pm

Brianclark5 wrote:Corbyn - Boris is a lying clown


Does that imply you deem the Marxist a truthful sophisticate then?

For your information Corbyn is a ridiculous embarrassment to the country.

God forbid the electorate falls for his bribes and ideology. The UK would not as he would want the myopic to believe turn into Utopia but rather it would degenerate to implosion both socially and economically, and be defenceless with all sorts of radical undesirables welcomed with open arms.

The electorate has to follow the only feasible option being to allow the Conservatives to put into effect the democratic will of the nation and leave Europe, notwithstanding the manifesto is hardly right wing which should appease the floating moderate voters.
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Re: OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Postby epping blue » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:08 am

Danny Says wrote:
Brianclark5 wrote:Corbyn - Boris is a lying clown


Does that imply you deem the Marxist a truthful sophisticate then?

For your information Corbyn is a ridiculous embarrassment to the country.

God forbid the electorate falls for his bribes and ideology. The UK would not as he would want the myopic to believe turn into Utopia but rather it would degenerate to implosion both socially and economically, and be defenceless with all sorts of radical undesirables welcomed with open arms.

The electorate has to follow the only feasible option being to allow the Conservatives to put into effect the democratic will of the nation and leave Europe, notwithstanding the manifesto is hardly right wing which should appease the floating moderate voters.




How is John McDonnell getting away with his £ 6,700 claim without ridicule or even scrutiny ? It appears it applies to those households spending over £ 5,000 a year on train fares, having a child aged 2 or under in fulltime child care and paying £ 36 more a week in rent than they were in 2010. Most of the other rises he refers to were below the rate of inflation which he's chose to ignore completely. I was surprised at his lowish figures on the rent increases but how many households would all those factors apply to ?
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Postby Danny Says » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:32 pm

Fair play to Johnson to refuse to be emotionally blackmailed into being interviewed by that egoistic obese Scot. He has no obligation to. He’s been interviewed by Marr and done several tv debates.

Another one tomorrow; more cringing garbage and fantasy to come from Corbyn.
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Postby Jock » Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:36 am

Danny Says wrote:Fair play to Johnson to refuse to be emotionally blackmailed into being interviewed by that egoistic obese Scot. He has no obligation to. He’s been interviewed by Marr and done several tv debates.

Another one tomorrow; more cringing garbage and fantasy to come from Corbyn.

I sense an anti Scottish micro aggression in your post :o
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Postby Sneggyblubird » Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:54 am

Danny Says wrote:Fair play to Johnson to refuse to be emotionally blackmailed into being interviewed by that egoistic obese Scot. He has no obligation to. He’s been interviewed by Marr and done several tv debates.

Another one tomorrow; more cringing garbage and fantasy to come from Corbyn.


He's just a lying coward,ask his brother.At least the other leaders had the bottle for it.
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Postby ElyBoy1984 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:59 am

By rights, Boris should be scrutinised by Andrew Neil, he's by far the best political interviewer.

Tactical error or good judgement....not long until we find out.
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Postby ElyBoy1984 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:59 am

Jock wrote:
Danny Says wrote:Fair play to Johnson to refuse to be emotionally blackmailed into being interviewed by that egoistic obese Scot. He has no obligation to. He’s been interviewed by Marr and done several tv debates.

Another one tomorrow; more cringing garbage and fantasy to come from Corbyn.

I sense an anti Scottish micro aggression in your post :o


Lol
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Postby ElyBoy1984 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:18 am

Danny Says wrote:Fair play to Johnson to refuse to be emotionally blackmailed into being interviewed by that egoistic obese Scot. He has no obligation to. He’s been interviewed by Marr and done several tv debates.

Another one tomorrow; more cringing garbage and fantasy to come from Corbyn.


When Diane Abbott becomes Home Secretary in a few weeks, you'll be done for "hate speech" against???....*shuffles cards*....the obese SCOTS!!!!
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Postby Steve Zodiak » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:37 am

ElyBoy1984 wrote:
Danny Says wrote:Fair play to Johnson to refuse to be emotionally blackmailed into being interviewed by that egoistic obese Scot. He has no obligation to. He’s been interviewed by Marr and done several tv debates.

Another one tomorrow; more cringing garbage and fantasy to come from Corbyn.


When Diane Abbott becomes Home Secretary in a few weeks, you'll be done for "hate speech" against???....*shuffles cards*....the obese SCOTS!!!!


When Corbyn and Abbott get in to power, everyone can retire. No need to work if you don't have to have money, and none of us will need money as everything will be free apparently. ;)
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