OT POLL: BORIS OR CORBYN AT THIS POINT?

Having listened to the rhetoric and promises (fake or otherwise) of the two chief protagonists in the upcoming Parliamentary election, it is clear both have their baggage and both have wildly opposing views that will potentially divide the nation with or without Brexit

But only one can be Prime Minister, so who would you put your faith in right now?

Corbyn seems to want to turn the clock back to the day before Maggie took office...

its like he thinks he can go back and fix all the things that were wrong by doing them again..

Corbyn

Lets hope mr corbyn does go back before maggies time as everything the tories privatised has been an absolute shambles

Lets hope mr corbyn does go back before maggies time as everything the tories privatised has been an absolute shambles

dont be rediculous…if 62 means age or DOB you are probably living a better life than you imagined possible back then..

and which nationalised industries were making money ? or even losing reasonable amounts ?

How about gas electric and telecoms and the railways are doing really well and yes im 62 its the youngsters i feel sorry for no training student debts yes things are really good under the tories lol

How about gas electric and telecoms and the railways are doing really well and yes im 62 its the youngsters i feel sorry for no training student debts yes things are really good under the tories lol

Well said.

Oh yes and what about the nationalisation of some of the banks by guess who yes the tories never mind its labours fault lol

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yes they are, and you my friend are kidding yourself if you think its worse now than 1979
it was labours lowest point by an enormous margin.. only a lunatic would want to go back there..

and you have him.. someone that was considered a total joke even by the incompetents of the time.. not wanted or respected by labour MPs here and now...and clinging on to power by a membership of people totally deluded...thinking lets hope it goes back...no it was not better...try looking at old films to remind yourself its pretty well documented..

I'd vote for Moaning Jo before Corbyn who is clearly on a mission to convert the masses into his marxist vision. Johnson has issues but he also has political experience which Corbyn can only dream about.

The Labour Manifesto published yesterday is nothing more than a "Marxist Vision" of how to ruin an economy and I cannot believe anyone can seriously believe that the promised tax hikes will only effect 5% of the population. Increased levels of public spending ALWAYS fuels inflation so the levels outlined in this Marxist vision will see inflation spiral and who does that effect most? The poorest in society.

Labour are trying to buy votes by bribing people with higher wages and higher taxes on the rich the perfect Marxist vision.

Sorry it's Johnson for me.

If Corbyn gets in would the last person to leave the Country turn the lights out please.

Labour would ruin the country in under 3 years. Imagine abbot and McDonald with The treasury monies ... doesn’t bear thinking about tbh.

I'd vote for Moaning Jo before Corbyn who is clearly on a mission to convert the masses into his marxist vision. Johnson has issues but he also has political experience which Corbyn can only dream about.

The Labour Manifesto published yesterday is nothing more than a "Marxist Vision" of how to ruin an economy and I cannot believe anyone can seriously believe that the promised tax hikes will only effect 5% of the population. Increased levels of public spending ALWAYS fuels inflation so the levels outlined in this Marxist vision will see inflation spiral and who does that effect most? The poorest in society.

Labour are trying to buy votes by bribing people with higher wages and higher taxes on the rich the perfect Marxist vision.

Sorry it's Johnson for me.

Spot on, Gary!

I'm not particularly Party-orientated, as I prefer to look at the qualities of the individual; of which both candidates seem to have very few

Those of us who grew up in the 70's will recall the events that led to the Thatcher years; the many strikes, 3-day weeks (1-day, if you were in school during one of the regular coal/power strikes) and the near bankrupting of this country

The drivers of those 'policies' were considered 'lefties', but they have nothing on what Corbyn would bring; a Marxist-style that will suppress the people (directly or indirectly), see businesses growth stutter through increased Regulation (nee control) and a spending-spree that will set this country back many a year; possibly even to the 70's and beyond

Anthony B Liar's 'New' Labour were bad enough; but an inexperienced and regressive Corbyn-led Labour Party is not what this country needs right now!

How about gas electric and telecoms and the railways are doing really well and yes im 62 its the youngsters i feel sorry for no training student debts yes things are really good under the tories lol

No training? Problem is kids, who are no where near clever enough (academically)are going to university, instead of doing useless degrees like interpretive dance or gender studies they should be doing trade apprenticeships.
You’re my age so you remember when rubbish went uncollected, the dead went unburied, no heating or lightning because of power cuts and mass unemployment. However we don’t have to go that far back to see what a disaster Labour always are, remember Liam Byrne’s letter for his Tory successor THERES NO MONEY.

Well its a straight choice now between a continuing capitalist based economy or a Labours lurch into a socialist state the like of which we've never seen before. Ignoring the individuals, Labours manifesto absolutely scares the shit out of me. An absolute all out assault on wealth, wealth creators and business will come at enormous cost. Brexit has almost become side issue overnight.

Private capital spending will crash , inward investment will cease and funds will flow out of the country immediately. So what you may say but that comes with huge impact on employment. As for the Graduates, they can expect to see their job opportunities quickly ebb away. Foreign companies already here will hate the company ownership and control rules.

f**k me there's not a single one of them whose worked in the real world of private business and now they're going to be telling multi nationals how they should and shouldn't be running their operations. f*cking clueless.

Perhaps Corbyn didn't have the old adolescent lecture that money doesn't grow on trees. Or may be he really believes it does. Ice cream van politics. The thing is when I go to the van to buy an ice cream for my child, I don't expect my grand child to be picking up the bill. Surely that applies to most of us.

Party time for a couple of years while they spend and spend but cold turkey after that.

Neither are Welsh or put Wales first.....

How about gas electric and telecoms and the railways are doing really well and yes im 62 its the youngsters i feel sorry for no training student debts yes things are really good under the tories lol

Well said.

go on..
what about gas. electric , telecoms, and the railways....?
no training ?, almost half now go to higher education..
student debt...….well its SOME youngsters I feel sorry for.. the ones doing beneficial degrees who once upon a time would have had grants , but now have to subsidise those doing the nutty degrees ,who will not benefit from doing them and are less likely to ever be in a position to pay them back..

Well its a straight choice now between a continuing capitalist based economy or a Labours lurch into a socialist state the like of which we've never seen before. Ignoring the individuals, Labours manifesto absolutely scares the shit out of me. An absolute all out assault on wealth, wealth creators and business will come at enormous cost. Brexit has almost become side issue overnight.

Private capital spending will crash , inward investment will cease and funds will flow out of the country immediately. So what you may say but that comes with huge impact on employment. As for the Graduates, they can expect to see their job opportunities quickly ebb away. Foreign companies already here will hate the company ownership and control rules.

f**k me there's not a single one of them whose worked in the real world of private business and now they're going to be telling multi nationals how they should and shouldn't be running their operations. f*cking clueless.

Perhaps Corbyn didn't have the old adolescent lecture that money doesn't grow on trees. Or may be he really believes it does. Ice cream van politics. The thing is when I go to the van to buy an ice cream for my child, I don't expect my grand child to be picking up the bill. Surely that applies to most of us.

Party time for a couple of years while they spend and spend but cold turkey after that.

What would you expect from Marxist crackpots but Marxist crackpottery.

How about gas electric and telecoms and the railways are doing really well and yes im 62 its the youngsters i feel sorry for no training student debts yes things are really good under the tories lol

Well said.

go on..
what about gas. electric , telecoms, and the railways....?
no training ?, almost half now go to higher education..
student debt...….well its SOME youngsters I feel sorry for.. the ones doing beneficial degrees who once upon a time would have had grants , but now have to subsidise those doing the nutty degrees ,who will not benefit from doing them and are less likely to ever be in a position to pay them back..

My daughter is a scientist now but she as friends who did Mickey mouse degrees and are struggling to get a decent job so no hope of paying loan off? my daughter already started to pay loan off so she's penalised for doing something useful! As for public utilities bit late to nationalise them, but would seriously consider nationalising railways as it's a disgrace we are subsidising the franchised companies running railways while they rake in profits without providing the services required!

I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.

I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.

It's only wasted if you don't vote for the Brexit party or Conservatives!

I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.

Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.

You won't change peoples minds on here, people will vote for the party that benefits them most.

People earning a good wage and paying lots of tax will vote tory, so they don't have to pay extra for the people not working or not paying tax.

People of low incomes and non tax payers will vote labour because they will gain from the increased tax burden from people working and earning a good income, it's as simple as that really!

About selling off of the utilities they were making money for the country not fat cat shareholders and speculators and how can u sell to the people as they told us when the people already owned them and funded them ti start with .also these companies did used to take on lots of apprentuces didnt they

Anyone who thinks Labour's taxation plans will not affect each and everyone of us needs to think again. Big corporate institutions will pass tax rises onto us, the ordinary people. They are there to serve their shareholders, and ultimately we will all pay to ensure their profits don't take a big hit. We will go back to the good old days of rampant inflation, high interest rates etc. I suppose savers will get a better return on their money, but people with mortgages and loans had better brace themselves if Corbyn gets in, especially if Labour use Diane Abbott's methods of calculating figures.

I will never vote for a Scum Terrorist Jeremy Corbyn

How about gas electric and telecoms and the railways are doing really well and yes im 62 its the youngsters i feel sorry for no training student debts yes things are really good under the tories lol

The labour party introduced Tuition Fees (not the Conservatives).
So it is Labour you should blame for student debt, and the fact they allowed Universities to pay their lecturers and Chancellors obscene amounts of money, with no responsibility or achievement standards required.

Some heads of Universities are being paid over £400,000 per year, with the students paying for that.
University should be free, but only for recognised useful courses that lead to jobs (science, engineering, languages and other core subjects) not some of the useless rubbish they "study" these days.

Telecoms are far cheaper and more efficient than any way a Labour government and unions would ever manage them.
The same can be said for other utilities - more choice, more efficient and cheaper.
Investment in the above comes from private money not tax payers money, and are controlled by regulatory bodies. Not by union bosses and out of touch incompetent pen pushing bureaucrats.

I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.

Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.

Is that the same conservatives who have been in charge for the entirety of the brexit negotiations? Or is that the same conservatives who could've 'delivered' brexit but rejected Mays deal (including phalafel Johnson) to only now have her deal but surrendering on every positive?
Or is it the same conservatives who won't even work out the cost of their brexit deal because they don't care about you, only their money?

Or do you have thing for being Russia's plaything and want to add to a near decade of poverty and austerity by having nearly half a decade more of it just to get through brexit that will have.... More job losses and poverty before getting F'd by America in a trade deal? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

The only people who would benefit from voting Labour are those claiming any type of benefits.

About selling off of the utilities they were making money for the country not fat cat shareholders and speculators and how can u sell to the people as they told us when the people already owned them and funded them ti start with .also these companies did used to take on lots of apprentuces didnt they

The reality is that the Govts of the late 40s/50s bankrupted Britain via nationalisation. You also forget that people are living ten years longer years than in the 60s.. we’re the most prosperous we’ve ever been.

Apprentices to do what exactly...East Moors took on, but 600 at the melt shop now make twice as much as 5,000 GKN. The world changed.

I won’t be voting as I wasted my time voting on the Brexit referendum.Ten minutes of my life down the drain.
Still waiting for candidates to knock my door so I can tell them.

Brexit will still happen if we elect a conservative government. As it happens I have had my MP on the door step.

Is that the same conservatives who have been in charge for the entirety of the brexit negotiations? Or is that the same conservatives who could've 'delivered' brexit but rejected Mays deal (including phalafel Johnson) to only now have her deal but surrendering on every positive?
Or is it the same conservatives who won't even work out the cost of their brexit deal because they don't care about you, only their money?

Or do you have thing for being Russia's plaything and want to add to a near decade of poverty and austerity by having nearly half a decade more of it just to get through brexit that will have.... More job losses and poverty before getting F'd by America in a trade deal? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Mays deal kept us in the Customs Union, just as the one Corbyn is proposing would, so it was not what 17.5m voted for.
I asked you previously which Corbyn you preferred, the one who promised to smash the EU which he called a bankers Europe that harms the socialist cause. Or the new Jezza that wants to give us a choice between staying in the EU or staying in the EU with no voting rights?