‘ I disagree with this ‘

I disagree with this as the Academy has gone backwards for the last 10years, it’s at the the top why it’s failing.
Don’t get me wrong, Warnock had no interest either .
But it’s been a shambles for 10 years.




WINNER NOW NEIL WARNOCK HAS LEFT

By Glen Williams


The academy

It is likely that Harris will simply have to overhaul the club's academy system.

The paltry amount of top quality Welsh youngsters who have been brought through the youth ranks in recent years has not been good enough and it has bred contempt among large sections of supporters.


While Warnock has insisted he tried to change the structure, many believe, including ex-academy coach Craig Bellamy, that the former Bluebirds boss represented a road block in the grand vision of implementing an all-conquering youth system.

A system reboot is now needed and that academy must become self-sufficient in order to benefit the first team in the not-so-distant future.

A new manager with fresh ideas for the Cardiff City academy can only be a good thing.

I disagree with this as the Academy has gone backwards for the last 10years, it’s at the the top why it’s failing.
Don’t get me wrong, Warnock had no interest either .
But it’s been a shambles for 10 years.




WINNER NOW NEIL WARNOCK HAS LEFT

By Glen Williams


The academy

It is likely that Harris will simply have to overhaul the club's academy system.

The paltry amount of top quality Welsh youngsters who have been brought through the youth ranks in recent years has not been good enough and it has bred contempt among large sections of supporters.


While Warnock has insisted he tried to change the structure, many believe, including ex-academy coach Craig Bellamy, that the former Bluebirds boss represented a road block in the grand vision of implementing an all-conquering youth system.

A system reboot is now needed and that academy must become self-sufficient in order to benefit the first team in the not-so-distant future.

A new manager with fresh ideas for the Cardiff City academy can only be a good thing.

Its a club not manager issue

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... t-17270750

I disagree with this as the Academy has gone backwards for the last 10years, it’s at the the top why it’s failing.
Don’t get me wrong, Warnock had no interest either .
But it’s been a shambles for 10 years.




WINNER NOW NEIL WARNOCK HAS LEFT

By Glen Williams


The academy

It is likely that Harris will simply have to overhaul the club's academy system.

The paltry amount of top quality Welsh youngsters who have been brought through the youth ranks in recent years has not been good enough and it has bred contempt among large sections of supporters.


While Warnock has insisted he tried to change the structure, many believe, including ex-academy coach Craig Bellamy, that the former Bluebirds boss represented a road block in the grand vision of implementing an all-conquering youth system.

A system reboot is now needed and that academy must become self-sufficient in order to benefit the first team in the not-so-distant future.

A new manager with fresh ideas for the Cardiff City academy can only be a good thing.

Its a club not manager issue

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... t-17270750

correct

Warnock said himself, that he disagreed with the way that Bellamy thought .
He said that they just did not have the same way of thinking.

A manager should show an interest but never be in control of the academy The academy should concentrate on developing technically gifted players for the modern game with at least one player an age group having the potential to be a first team player If a player joined the academy at age 8 and is now 18 they would have seen at least 5 managers leave city in that time

Warnock said himself, that he disagreed with the way that Bellamy thought .
He said that they just did not have the same way of thinking.

Warnock wanted the better players in age groups to be pushed up an age group to stretch them...its normal and happens everywhere...I think its happening there now.
Craig wanted to keep them in the correct age group and win the league...

Warnock said himself, that he disagreed with the way that Bellamy thought .
He said that they just did not have the same way of thinking.

Warnock wanted the better players in age groups to be pushed up an age group to stretch them...its normal and happens everywhere...I think its happening there now.
Craig wanted to keep them in the correct age group and win the league...

I have seen a lot of players move up an age group and go backwards and lose confidence as at a younger age the psychical aspect is more apparent Also until you are in the u18 /u16 there are no league tables at all
Barcelona don’t believe in pushing players up age groups as they want to develope confidence I believe even Messi was not pushed up an age group until he was 16 and that was to the first team

Warnock said himself, that he disagreed with the way that Bellamy thought .
He said that they just did not have the same way of thinking.

Warnock wanted the better players in age groups to be pushed up an age group to stretch them...its normal and happens everywhere...I think its happening there now.
Craig wanted to keep them in the correct age group and win the league...

I have seen a lot of players move up an age group and go backwards and lose confidence as at a younger age the psychical aspect is more apparent Also until you are in the u18 /u16 there are no league tables at all
Barcelona don’t believe in pushing players up age groups as they want to develope confidence I believe even Messi was not pushed up an age group until he was 16 and that was to the first team

yes that's when you revert and put them back down...and it is the under 18s we were talking about with Bellamy ?
messi was playing in the seniors when at that age..

Sorry but NW and academies do not go together! The point of academies is to have a seamless transition throughout age groups from under 16 to 1st ream all playing same way? By any strentch of imagination was that a good idea having 16yr olds playing NW football it's a totally backwards step in their development! It was a 1st team way of playing to achieve possible promotion .... club need total revamp of football ideology running through whole club not just 1st team

Sorry but NW and academies do not go together! The point of academies is to have a seamless transition throughout age groups from under 16 to 1st ream all playing same way? By any strentch of imagination was that a good idea having 16yr olds playing NW football it's a totally backwards step in their development! It was a 1st team way of playing to achieve possible promotion .... club need total revamp of football ideology running through whole club not just 1st team

Allan, Agreed,but what about the last 10years over all??

Sorry but NW and academies do not go together! The point of academies is to have a seamless transition throughout age groups from under 16 to 1st ream all playing same way? By any strentch of imagination was that a good idea having 16yr olds playing NW football it's a totally backwards step in their development! It was a 1st team way of playing to achieve possible promotion .... club need total revamp of football ideology running through whole club not just 1st team

playing a long ball out of defence is a tactic and a tactic most teams play , admittedly not as much as ourselves but never the less do..players at that level should be able to adapt easily...
your making it out to be something it is not mate. a parks team could be asked to do it ..

It is the managers remit to oversee the age range teams and under 23's as he needs them all playing in the same style as the first team for continuity and ease of transition for players coming through.

I disagree with this as the Academy has gone backwards for the last 10years, it’s at the the top why it’s failing.
Don’t get me wrong, Warnock had no interest either .
But it’s been a shambles for 10 years.




WINNER NOW NEIL WARNOCK HAS LEFT

By Glen Williams


The academy

It is likely that Harris will simply have to overhaul the club's academy system.

The paltry amount of top quality Welsh youngsters who have been brought through the youth ranks in recent years has not been good enough and it has bred contempt among large sections of supporters.


While Warnock has insisted he tried to change the structure, many believe, including ex-academy coach Craig Bellamy, that the former Bluebirds boss represented a road block in the grand vision of implementing an all-conquering youth system.

A system reboot is now needed and that academy must become self-sufficient in order to benefit the first team in the not-so-distant future.

A new manager with fresh ideas for the Cardiff City academy can only be a good thing.

I disagree with you the academy ,it has been competing well at u12 14 16s and especially the u18 ,they beat chelsea recently the problem is mangers haven't been giving the players a chance ,also players are being poached at 16 ,they play a totally different style of football compared to thec1st team as well

Sorry but NW and academies do not go together! The point of academies is to have a seamless transition throughout age groups from under 16 to 1st ream all playing same way? By any strentch of imagination was that a good idea having 16yr olds playing NW football it's a totally backwards step in their development! It was a 1st team way of playing to achieve possible promotion .... club need total revamp of football ideology running through whole club not just 1st team

playing a long ball out of defence is a tactic and a tactic most teams play , admittedly not as much as ourselves but never the less do..players at that level should be able to adapt easily...
your making it out to be something it is not mate. a parks team could be asked to do it ..

Every team except us and millwall like to play possession football we dont! I would not like to see academy players playing NW football? Yes teams play long at times but generally its play from back using midfield ect can you honestly say we play through midfield rather than over it? Which is the main complaint of supporters.

Sorry but NW and academies do not go together! The point of academies is to have a seamless transition throughout age groups from under 16 to 1st ream all playing same way? By any strentch of imagination was that a good idea having 16yr olds playing NW football it's a totally backwards step in their development! It was a 1st team way of playing to achieve possible promotion .... club need total revamp of football ideology running through whole club not just 1st team

playing a long ball out of defence is a tactic and a tactic most teams play , admittedly not as much as ourselves but never the less do..players at that level should be able to adapt easily...
your making it out to be something it is not mate. a parks team could be asked to do it ..

Every team except us and millwall like to play possession football we dont! I would not like to see academy players playing NW football? Yes teams play long at times but generally its play from back using midfield ect can you honestly say we play through midfield rather than over it? Which is the main complaint of supporters.

no we don't play through midfield but that's not my point.
I didn't complain...I hate watching not good enough players playing out from the back.. its not like we were ever short of goals, chances, shots, corners...I don't care how many times we pass it at the back and get caught out... I know we lost but were Bristol exciting to watch ? 2 shots 2 corners... but boy could their CBs pass it around..

I disagree with this as the Academy has gone backwards for the last 10years, it’s at the the top why it’s failing.
Don’t get me wrong, Warnock had no interest either .
But it’s been a shambles for 10 years.




WINNER NOW NEIL WARNOCK HAS LEFT

By Glen Williams


The academy

It is likely that Harris will simply have to overhaul the club's academy system.

The paltry amount of top quality Welsh youngsters who have been brought through the youth ranks in recent years has not been good enough and it has bred contempt among large sections of supporters.


While Warnock has insisted he tried to change the structure, many believe, including ex-academy coach Craig Bellamy, that the former Bluebirds boss represented a road block in the grand vision of implementing an all-conquering youth system.

A system reboot is now needed and that academy must become self-sufficient in order to benefit the first team in the not-so-distant future.

A new manager with fresh ideas for the Cardiff City academy can only be a good thing.

I disagree with you the academy ,it has been competing well at u12 14 16s and especially the u18 ,they beat chelsea recently the problem is mangers haven't been giving the players a chance ,also players are being poached at 16 ,they play a totally different style of football compared to thec1st team as well

OK Wez,


Tell me who we have produced in the last 10 years that plays in our first team regularly ?

Tell me after 10 years what we have achieved?







Our Reserve team has been awful for many years now a fact.

Our Academy has been shit for many years now a fact.

Many coaches have left a fact.

Academy f shit, i had to pull my son out as there got less and less coaches and all the kids were leaving, mine is now playing for Bristol City's academy.

Warnock said himself, that he disagreed with the way that Bellamy thought .
He said that they just did not have the same way of thinking.

Warnock wanted the better players in age groups to be pushed up an age group to stretch them...its normal and happens everywhere...I think its happening there now.
Craig wanted to keep them in the correct age group and win the league...

I have seen a lot of players move up an age group and go backwards and lose confidence as at a younger age the psychical aspect is more apparent Also until you are in the u18 /u16 there are no league tables at all
Barcelona don’t believe in pushing players up age groups as they want to develope confidence I believe even Messi was not pushed up an age group until he was 16 and that was to the first team

yes that's when you revert and put them back down...and it is the under 18s we were talking about with Bellamy ?
messi was playing in the seniors when at that age..

The academy is not just the u18s thou Messi was never raised an age group until he made the first team at 16 You see players in our academy moved from u14 to 16s on a regular basis and they go backwards At U18s you should be concentrating on tactical awareness Hopefully by U18s the players have great technical ability

I disagree with this as the Academy has gone backwards for the last 10years, it’s at the the top why it’s failing.
Don’t get me wrong, Warnock had no interest either .
But it’s been a shambles for 10 years.




WINNER NOW NEIL WARNOCK HAS LEFT

By Glen Williams


The academy

It is likely that Harris will simply have to overhaul the club's academy system.

The paltry amount of top quality Welsh youngsters who have been brought through the youth ranks in recent years has not been good enough and it has bred contempt among large sections of supporters.


While Warnock has insisted he tried to change the structure, many believe, including ex-academy coach Craig Bellamy, that the former Bluebirds boss represented a road block in the grand vision of implementing an all-conquering youth system.

A system reboot is now needed and that academy must become self-sufficient in order to benefit the first team in the not-so-distant future.

A new manager with fresh ideas for the Cardiff City academy can only be a good thing.

I disagree with you the academy ,it has been competing well at u12 14 16s and especially the u18 ,they beat chelsea recently the problem is mangers haven't been giving the players a chance ,also players are being poached at 16 ,they play a totally different style of football compared to thec1st team as well

OK Wez,


Tell me who we have produced in the last 10 years that plays in our first team regularly ?

Tell me after 10 years what we have achieved?







Our Reserve team has been awful for many years now a fact.

Our Academy has been shit for many years now a fact.

Many coaches have left a fact.

Its not as easy as that as the 8 year olds of 10 years ago are the u18 s now ,there is lots of talent in our academy its not short term its long term you and i know that warnock ole and malky had no interest in the academy and bought players in on tranafer fees rather than bring home grown through, it has help that our best players have been poached ,everton man city etc

I disagree with this as the Academy has gone backwards for the last 10years, it’s at the the top why it’s failing.
Don’t get me wrong, Warnock had no interest either .
But it’s been a shambles for 10 years.




WINNER NOW NEIL WARNOCK HAS LEFT

By Glen Williams


The academy

It is likely that Harris will simply have to overhaul the club's academy system.

The paltry amount of top quality Welsh youngsters who have been brought through the youth ranks in recent years has not been good enough and it has bred contempt among large sections of supporters.


While Warnock has insisted he tried to change the structure, many believe, including ex-academy coach Craig Bellamy, that the former Bluebirds boss represented a road block in the grand vision of implementing an all-conquering youth system.

A system reboot is now needed and that academy must become self-sufficient in order to benefit the first team in the not-so-distant future.

A new manager with fresh ideas for the Cardiff City academy can only be a good thing.

I disagree with you the academy ,it has been competing well at u12 14 16s and especially the u18 ,they beat chelsea recently the problem is mangers haven't been giving the players a chance ,also players are being poached at 16 ,they play a totally different style of football compared to thec1st team as well

OK Wez,


Tell me who we have produced in the last 10 years that plays in our first team regularly ?

Tell me after 10 years what we have achieved?







Our Reserve team has been awful for many years now a fact.

Our Academy has been shit for many years now a fact.

Many coaches have left a fact.

Its not as easy as that as the 8 year olds of 10 years ago are the u18 s now ,there is lots of talent in our academy its not short term its long term you and i know that warnock ole and malky had no interest in the academy and bought players in on tranafer fees rather than bring home grown through, it has help that our best players have been poached ,everton man city etc

10 YEARS AGO / EVEN 8 YEARS AGO THERE WAS A STRONG ACADEMY / LACK OF INVESTMENT & NO ONE INTERESTED IN IT / WHILST SADLY THE JACKS PROSPERED.

Warnock said himself, that he disagreed with the way that Bellamy thought .
He said that they just did not have the same way of thinking.

Warnock wanted the better players in age groups to be pushed up an age group to stretch them...its normal and happens everywhere...I think its happening there now.
Craig wanted to keep them in the correct age group and win the league...

I have seen a lot of players move up an age group and go backwards and lose confidence as at a younger age the psychical aspect is more apparent Also until you are in the u18 /u16 there are no league tables at all
Barcelona don’t believe in pushing players up age groups as they want to develope confidence I believe even Messi was not pushed up an age group until he was 16 and that was to the first team

yes that's when you revert and put them back down...and it is the under 18s we were talking about with Bellamy ?
messi was playing in the seniors when at that age..

The academy is not just the u18s thou Messi was never raised an age group until he made the first team at 16 You see players in our academy moved from u14 to 16s on a regular basis and they go backwards At U18s you should be concentrating on tactical awareness Hopefully by U18s the players have great technical ability

not all go backwards each boy is different....its a process of finding things out isn't it...at under 18s you should be knocking on the door mate..

The simple truth is the Academy was amongst the best in the UK under Sam but has been left to dwindle ever since he left

Appreciate the financial restrictions have played a part but the development of youth could/should have been an ideal opportunity to save money in real terms

It's not too late to turn things around but give the coaches a firm direction

The simple truth is the Academy was amongst the best in the UK under Sam buthasbeen left to dwindle ever since he left

Appreciate the financial restrictions have played a part but the development of youth could/should have been an ideal opportunity to save money in real terms

It's not too late to turn things around but give the coaches a firm direction

Chris, Absolutely Spot on and people should be honest and say its true, because it was

Warnock said himself, that he disagreed with the way that Bellamy thought .
He said that they just did not have the same way of thinking.

Warnock wanted the better players in age groups to be pushed up an age group to stretch them...its normal and happens everywhere...I think its happening there now.
Craig wanted to keep them in the correct age group and win the league...

I have seen a lot of players move up an age group and go backwards and lose confidence as at a younger age the psychical aspect is more apparent Also until you are in the u18 /u16 there are no league tables at all
Barcelona don’t believe in pushing players up age groups as they want to develope confidence I believe even Messi was not pushed up an age group until he was 16 and that was to the first team

yes that's when you revert and put them back down...and it is the under 18s we were talking about with Bellamy ?
messi was playing in the seniors when at that age..

The academy is not just the u18s thou Messi was never raised an age group until he made the first team at 16 You see players in our academy moved from u14 to 16s on a regular basis and they go backwards At U18s you should be concentrating on tactical awareness Hopefully by U18s the players have great technical ability

not all go backwards each boy is different....its a process of finding things out isn't it...at under 18s you should be knocking on the door mate..

Agree they should be knocking on the door Some should be doing this by 17 Like Ramsey /Ledley / Matthews

Warnock said himself, that he disagreed with the way that Bellamy thought .
He said that they just did not have the same way of thinking.

Warnock wanted the better players in age groups to be pushed up an age group to stretch them...its normal and happens everywhere...I think its happening there now.
Craig wanted to keep them in the correct age group and win the league...

I have seen a lot of players move up an age group and go backwards and lose confidence as at a younger age the psychical aspect is more apparent Also until you are in the u18 /u16 there are no league tables at all
Barcelona don’t believe in pushing players up age groups as they want to develope confidence I believe even Messi was not pushed up an age group until he was 16 and that was to the first team

yes that's when you revert and put them back down...and it is the under 18s we were talking about with Bellamy ?
messi was playing in the seniors when at that age..

The academy is not just the u18s thou Messi was never raised an age group until he made the first team at 16 You see players in our academy moved from u14 to 16s on a regular basis and they go backwards At U18s you should be concentrating on tactical awareness Hopefully by U18s the players have great technical ability

not all go backwards each boy is different....its a process of finding things out isn't it...at under 18s you should be knocking on the door mate..

As shown here and theres plenty more examples ,as you say its the individual not a collective when it come to confidence
https://www.swanseacity.com/news/jake-t ... eakthrough

The simple truth is the Academy was amongst the best in the UK under Sam but has been left to dwindle ever since he left

Appreciate the financial restrictions have played a part but the development of youth could/should have been an ideal opportunity to save money in real terms

It's not too late to turn things around but give the coaches a firm direction

The best in the uk ?

Warnock said himself, that he disagreed with the way that Bellamy thought .
He said that they just did not have the same way of thinking.

Warnock wanted the better players in age groups to be pushed up an age group to stretch them...its normal and happens everywhere...I think its happening there now.
Craig wanted to keep them in the correct age group and win the league...

I have seen a lot of players move up an age group and go backwards and lose confidence as at a younger age the psychical aspect is more apparent Also until you are in the u18 /u16 there are no league tables at all
Barcelona don’t believe in pushing players up age groups as they want to develope confidence I believe even Messi was not pushed up an age group until he was 16 and that was to the first team

yes that's when you revert and put them back down...and it is the under 18s we were talking about with Bellamy ?
messi was playing in the seniors when at that age..

The academy is not just the u18s thou Messi was never raised an age group until he made the first team at 16 You see players in our academy moved from u14 to 16s on a regular basis and they go backwards At U18s you should be concentrating on tactical awareness Hopefully by U18s the players have great technical ability

not all go backwards each boy is different....its a process of finding things out isn't it...at under 18s you should be knocking on the door mate..

Agree they should be knocking on the door Some should be doing this by 17 Like Ramsey /Ledley / Matthews

Montodo would i
Of come through if he wasnt poached by man city ,coxe would of come through earlier if managers would give him a chance , ralls has come through tho ,swansea just like we did with ralls bought dan james and didn't bring him from young

The simple truth is the Academy was amongst the best in the UK under Sam buthasbeen left to dwindle ever since he left

Appreciate the financial restrictions have played a part but the development of youth could/should have been an ideal opportunity to save money in real terms

It's not too late to turn things around but give the coaches a firm direction

we had a golden era. not sure if it was just that sven.. its easy then to assume that it should be the norm..

Warnock said himself, that he disagreed with the way that Bellamy thought .
He said that they just did not have the same way of thinking.

Warnock wanted the better players in age groups to be pushed up an age group to stretch them...its normal and happens everywhere...I think its happening there now.
Craig wanted to keep them in the correct age group and win the league...

I have seen a lot of players move up an age group and go backwards and lose confidence as at a younger age the psychical aspect is more apparent Also until you are in the u18 /u16 there are no league tables at all
Barcelona don’t believe in pushing players up age groups as they want to develope confidence I believe even Messi was not pushed up an age group until he was 16 and that was to the first team

yes that's when you revert and put them back down...and it is the under 18s we were talking about with Bellamy ?
messi was playing in the seniors when at that age..

The academy is not just the u18s thou Messi was never raised an age group until he made the first team at 16 You see players in our academy moved from u14 to 16s on a regular basis and they go backwards At U18s you should be concentrating on tactical awareness Hopefully by U18s the players have great technical ability

not all go backwards each boy is different....its a process of finding things out isn't it...at under 18s you should be knocking on the door mate..

Agree they should be knocking on the door Some should be doing this by 17 Like Ramsey /Ledley / Matthews

that was my point and I think Warnocks as those were the age groups he mentioned...
there is very little point to the club the u18s winning the league when at best there are only 2 within the group with a realistic chance of progressing all the way..

Warnock said himself, that he disagreed with the way that Bellamy thought .
He said that they just did not have the same way of thinking.

Warnock wanted the better players in age groups to be pushed up an age group to stretch them...its normal and happens everywhere...I think its happening there now.
Craig wanted to keep them in the correct age group and win the league...

I have seen a lot of players move up an age group and go backwards and lose confidence as at a younger age the psychical aspect is more apparent Also until you are in the u18 /u16 there are no league tables at all
Barcelona don’t believe in pushing players up age groups as they want to develope confidence I believe even Messi was not pushed up an age group until he was 16 and that was to the first team

yes that's when you revert and put them back down...and it is the under 18s we were talking about with Bellamy ?
messi was playing in the seniors when at that age..

The academy is not just the u18s thou Messi was never raised an age group until he made the first team at 16 You see players in our academy moved from u14 to 16s on a regular basis and they go backwards At U18s you should be concentrating on tactical awareness Hopefully by U18s the players have great technical ability

not all go backwards each boy is different....its a process of finding things out isn't it...at under 18s you should be knocking on the door mate..

Agree they should be knocking on the door Some should be doing this by 17 Like Ramsey /Ledley / Matthews

Montodo would i
Of come through if he wasnt poached by man city ,coxe would of come through earlier if managers would give him a chance , ralls has come through tho ,swansea just like we did with ralls bought dan james and didn't bring him from young

ralls did not come through our academy...and coxe is the opinion of posters.