Why season after PL relegation hard?

This is said a lot and I don't get it. And don't think it applies to where we are.

Lots on here supporting Sir Neil have the argument that season after PL relegation notoriously hard and us fans should manage our own expectations.

We never had a PL squad. We weren't relegated in March and weren't in crisis. Because of relegation we only lost Arter and Camarasa. Our recruits in Reid and Murphy would supposedly tear up the chamionship. Gunnar and Bruno were going and Sol was injured and 34 whatever division we were in.

I get it for the Newcastles, West Hams and Villas. I'd get it now for Bouremouth, Leicester or Palace who have been there for a good few years and whose squad have expectations both playing and financial. Squads there for the top table which required change when not anymore.

You can argue change of surroundings or atmosphere. Half your games at home and is going away to play WBA in championship really any different to going to Southampton in PL. It's not. And you also don't have eight, ten, twelve games against elite that you prepare for expectating to lose with damage limitation an issue.

In the Championship every game is winnable.

But none of that applied to us.

If we hadn't been promoted when we were and had been in the championship play off 2018/19 but not got promoted with Sir Neil, would we now be happy with our position? We wouldnt be. Would we question recruitment, yes. Would we question tactics, yes. Its what football fans do whether in the pub, in the bus on the way home or on a platform like this. That the club, players and manager can read if they want.

Harris totally uninspiring but Sir Neil had sadly become too.

This is said a lot and I don't get it. And don't think it applies to where we are.

Lots on here supporting Sir Neil have the argument that season after PL relegation notoriously hard and us fans should manage our own expectations.

We never had a PL squad. We weren't relegated in March and weren't in crisis. Because of relegation we only lost Arter and Camarasa. Our recruits in Reid and Murphy would supposedly tear up the chamionship. Gunnar and Bruno were going and Sol was injured and 34 whatever division we were in.

I get it for the Newcastles, West Hams and Villas. I'd get it now for Bouremouth, Leicester or Palace who have been there for a good few years and whose squad have expectations both playing and financial. Squads there for the top table which required change when not anymore.

You can argue change of surroundings or atmosphere. Half your games at home and is going away to play WBA in championship really any different to going to Southampton in PL. It's not. And you also don't have eight, ten, twelve games against elite that you prepare for expectating to lose with damage limitation an issue.

In the Championship every game is winnable.

But none of that applied to us.

If we hadn't been promoted when we were and had been in the championship play off 2018/19 but not got promoted with Sir Neil, would we now be happy with our position? We wouldnt be. Would we question recruitment, yes. Would we question tactics, yes. Its what football fans do whether in the pub, in the bus on the way home or on a platform like this. That the club, players and manager can read if they want.

Harris totally uninspiring but Sir Neil had sadly become too.

We had a very good championship squad when we came down and should be nearer to top 2 than we are ! I was expecting minimum top 6 but NW was not going to deliver that, hopefully Harris as got enough experience to get best out of this squad but can't help feeling we are missing an opportunity but there again was Houghton ect interested in us or are they waiting for premier job that will certainly come along this season..

This is said a lot and I don't get it. And don't think it applies to where we are.

Lots on here supporting Sir Neil have the argument that season after PL relegation notoriously hard and us fans should manage our own expectations.

We never had a PL squad. We weren't relegated in March and weren't in crisis. Because of relegation we only lost Arter and Camarasa. Our recruits in Reid and Murphy would supposedly tear up the chamionship. Gunnar and Bruno were going and Sol was injured and 34 whatever division we were in.

I get it for the Newcastles, West Hams and Villas. I'd get it now for Bouremouth, Leicester or Palace who have been there for a good few years and whose squad have expectations both playing and financial. Squads there for the top table which required change when not anymore.

You can argue change of surroundings or atmosphere. Half your games at home and is going away to play WBA in championship really any different to going to Southampton in PL. It's not. And you also don't have eight, ten, twelve games against elite that you prepare for expectating to lose with damage limitation an issue.

In the Championship every game is winnable.

But none of that applied to us.

If we hadn't been promoted when we were and had been in the championship play off 2018/19 but not got promoted with Sir Neil, would we now be happy with our position? We wouldnt be. Would we question recruitment, yes. Would we question tactics, yes. Its what football fans do whether in the pub, in the bus on the way home or on a platform like this. That the club, players and manager can read if they want.

Harris totally uninspiring but Sir Neil had sadly become too.

we lost 6 of the 12 players that played the most last season...takes time mate, or at least it can do..

This is said a lot and I don't get it. And don't think it applies to where we are.

Lots on here supporting Sir Neil have the argument that season after PL relegation notoriously hard and us fans should manage our own expectations.

We never had a PL squad. We weren't relegated in March and weren't in crisis. Because of relegation we only lost Arter and Camarasa. Our recruits in Reid and Murphy would supposedly tear up the chamionship. Gunnar and Bruno were going and Sol was injured and 34 whatever division we were in.

I get it for the Newcastles, West Hams and Villas. I'd get it now for Bouremouth, Leicester or Palace who have been there for a good few years and whose squad have expectations both playing and financial. Squads there for the top table which required change when not anymore.

You can argue change of surroundings or atmosphere. Half your games at home and is going away to play WBA in championship really any different to going to Southampton in PL. It's not. And you also don't have eight, ten, twelve games against elite that you prepare for expectating to lose with damage limitation an issue.

In the Championship every game is winnable.

But none of that applied to us.

If we hadn't been promoted when we were and had been in the championship play off 2018/19 but not got promoted with Sir Neil, would we now be happy with our position? We wouldnt be. Would we question recruitment, yes. Would we question tactics, yes. Its what football fans do whether in the pub, in the bus on the way home or on a platform like this. That the club, players and manager can read if they want.

Harris totally uninspiring but Sir Neil had sadly become too.

we lost 6 of the 12 players that played the most last season...takes time mate, or at least it can do..

Niase doesn't count as he was shit. Still five granted but only Arter and Camarasa PL players. Guts of our Chamionship squad from 17/18 still around. I suppose its back to the threads about recruitment and Gunnar and Manga not being suitably replaced. And Bamba injured. But club knew all that. It was a truly truly awful summer transfer window and we will/ are paying the price. Dalman presided over the OGS appointment, this is not all Warnocks fault and Dalman should be being held at least partially responsible. He tried to buy another club in the summer, we'd get rid of a player who tried to engineer a move away, as we did with Bobby Reid, so how is it Dalman still where he is after all the blunders on his watch and still part of influential decisions when he clearly doesn't have his heart in it.

Basically we sold all our best players and replaced them with shit.

Even though we were going to kick on the season.

We’ve been in decline ever since.

Well summarised Llan!

If we'd sold them I'd feel better. We haven't sold them. They've just gone! Apart from Zahore who Sir Neil had run out of patience with.

This is said a lot and I don't get it. And don't think it applies to where we are.

Lots on here supporting Sir Neil have the argument that season after PL relegation notoriously hard and us fans should manage our own expectations.

We never had a PL squad. We weren't relegated in March and weren't in crisis. Because of relegation we only lost Arter and Camarasa. Our recruits in Reid and Murphy would supposedly tear up the chamionship. Gunnar and Bruno were going and Sol was injured and 34 whatever division we were in.

I get it for the Newcastles, West Hams and Villas. I'd get it now for Bouremouth, Leicester or Palace who have been there for a good few years and whose squad have expectations both playing and financial. Squads there for the top table which required change when not anymore.

You can argue change of surroundings or atmosphere. Half your games at home and is going away to play WBA in championship really any different to going to Southampton in PL. It's not. And you also don't have eight, ten, twelve games against elite that you prepare for expectating to lose with damage limitation an issue.

In the Championship every game is winnable.

But none of that applied to us.

If we hadn't been promoted when we were and had been in the championship play off 2018/19 but not got promoted with Sir Neil, would we now be happy with our position? We wouldnt be. Would we question recruitment, yes. Would we question tactics, yes. Its what football fans do whether in the pub, in the bus on the way home or on a platform like this. That the club, players and manager can read if they want.

Harris totally uninspiring but Sir Neil had sadly become too.

we lost 6 of the 12 players that played the most last season...takes time mate, or at least it can do..

Niase doesn't count as he was shit. Still five granted but only Arter and Camarasa PL players. Guts of our Chamionship squad from 17/18 still around. I suppose its back to the threads about recruitment and Gunnar and Manga not being suitably replaced. And Bamba injured. But club knew all that. It was a truly truly awful summer transfer window and we will/ are paying the price. Dalman presided over the OGS appointment, this is not all Warnocks fault and Dalman should be being held at least partially responsible. He tried to buy another club in the summer, we'd get rid of a player who tried to engineer a move away, as we did with Bobby Reid, so how is it Dalman still where he is after all the blunders on his watch and still part of influential decisions when he clearly doesn't have his heart in it.

bamba was the 6th with me not niasse . yes we did know he would be out long term and realistically might not be the same on return so we were down 6 out of the 12.....but Niasse did play quite a bit and I don't think should be discounted on personal opinion..plus zohore went..
its a big ask mate..it can look fine on paper, im sure NW thought it was...fans are a different kettle of fish..change is not instant it takes time...Fosun found that out when they bought Wolves ,and instructed Jorge mendies to recruit players , he signed 12 at great expense from all over Europe within days. then promptly finished 15th..it was the following season it all clicked..

Simple one this all about mentality

You get relegated with a losing mentality, clearing that out isn’t easy things that were so simple during a promotion season soon become hard in a battle for survival mistakes are magnified and that becomes even worse upon relegation.

The squad is massively lacking in confidence and your former managing making every team we play in the championship sound like Barcelona doesn’t help as it gives players already struggling the easy well th gaffer said this was gonna be tough ...

Youre not wrong Smacker.
I do think though the mental side of it for us is not, or at least shouldn't be, significant as we have a chamionship squad. We had a championship squad when we got promoted, the season we were PL and once again now. None of our players should be surprised they weren't snapped up by PL sides after relegation.

I get the readjustment for a side like Stoke but I fail to understand the argument for us.

The other point is that it showed the players what life in the PL is like and do they have the hunger combined with ability to want it again?

Relegated teams more often or not struggle back in championship unless club keeps their premier league squad like Newcastle did? We had a championship squad last season and obviously this one as well, needed a fresh approach to make most of squad maybe Harris can rejuvenate team if he can top six is a possibility..