Shocking Appointment - answers needed- feel let down

I have had time to let it sink in think about it and lets be honest, on paper it looks like an abysmal appointment with absolutely no thought at all.

Neil Harris is not exactly talked about as a pioneer of modern football or an up and coming manager with great ideas, he is not a man talked about as having progressive ideas

I will give him a chance and support him, of course I will, but to lose someone like Neil Warnock on Tuesday and appoint Neil Harris 4 days later tells me that the top brass at the club have no f*cking idea whatsoever about football.

You simply cannot lose somebody of the calibre of Neil Warnock and then appoint somebody 4 days later, what process exactly has been followed there in terms on taking stock of the 'sudden' departure of our manager.

Manager leaves suddenly on day 1, day 2 is taking stock, day 3 is advertising the position, day 4 is seeing who has applied, day 5-6-7 is seeing who we want and interviewing, day 8-9-10 is making the appointment.

I just don't get it, I would like somebody from the Club to come out and tell us the truth, in the meantime I'll just carry on supporting the Club, what choice do we have?

Boo fecking hoo

Boo fecking hoo

Not sure what that means? Are you crying or something? If so don't.

We still have a team to support which is and always will be the focal point but if you think my post is 'out of context,' pull me up on it and what I have said thats wrong and I'll debate it with you rathee than being a snide c**t eh

Boo fecking hoo

Home and away I'll be there

I have had time to let it sink in think about it and lets be honest, on paper it looks like an abysmal appointment with absolutely no thought at all.

Neil Harris is not exactly talked about as a pioneer of modern football or an up and coming manager with great ideas, he is not a man talked about as having progressive ideas

I will give him a chance and support him, of course I will, but to lose someone like Neil Warnock on Tuesday and appoint Neil Harris 4 days later tells me that the top brass at the club have no f*cking idea whatsoever about football.

You simply cannot lose somebody of the calibre of Neil Warnock and then appoint somebody 4 days later, what process exactly has been followed there in terms on taking stock of the 'sudden' departure of our manager.

Manager leaves suddenly on day 1, day 2 is taking stock, day 3 is advertising the position, day 4 is seeing who has applied, day 5-6-7 is seeing who we want and interviewing, day 8-9-10 is making the appointment.

I just don't get it, I would like somebody from the Club to come out and tell us the truth, in the meantime I'll just carry on supporting the Club, what choice do we have?

I have warmed to the idea as the week went on ..
but
what I really do not understand was all the bookies , who you would imagine heard of NWs departure at the same time as ourselves inserted Harris as fav ..obvious to a dozen bookmakers but not to any fans ?
then Dalman comes out with a statement regarding their ideal candidate which really don't describe anything ive read about NH..?

me..? ..ill support the club if Donald duck was manager and in lge 2.. in fact I think I already have, he had a Kenny hibbit mask on.

I have had time to let it sink in think about it and lets be honest, on paper it looks like an abysmal appointment with absolutely no thought at all.

Neil Harris is not exactly talked about as a pioneer of modern football or an up and coming manager with great ideas, he is not a man talked about as having progressive ideas

I will give him a chance and support him, of course I will, but to lose someone like Neil Warnock on Tuesday and appoint Neil Harris 4 days later tells me that the top brass at the club have no f*cking idea whatsoever about football.

You simply cannot lose somebody of the calibre of Neil Warnock and then appoint somebody 4 days later, what process exactly has been followed there in terms on taking stock of the 'sudden' departure of our manager.

Manager leaves suddenly on day 1, day 2 is taking stock, day 3 is advertising the position, day 4 is seeing who has applied, day 5-6-7 is seeing who we want and interviewing, day 8-9-10 is making the appointment.

I just don't get it, I would like somebody from the Club to come out and tell us the truth, in the meantime I'll just carry on supporting the Club, what choice do we have?

I have warmed to the idea as the week went on ..
but
what I really do not understand was all the bookies , who you would imagine heard of NWs departure at the same time as ourselves inserted Harris as fav ..obvious to a dozen bookmakers but not to any fans ?
then Dalman comes out with a statement regarding their ideal candidate which really don't describe anything ive read about NH..?

me..? ..ill support the club if Donald duck was manager and in lge 2.. in fact I think I already have, he had a Kenny hibbit mask on.

Same mate.

I just don't understand it though, something doesn't add up does it? Somethings gone on somewhere we just havnt hered about yet imo.

I would have thought it’s obvious really

Warnock left, the players don’t fit the style of a full change of tactics and style of play and therefore a manager coming in would ideally play a similar style, uprooting a full style change now would be crazy given we are nearer relegation than playoffs and a relegation battle may well be looming

Add to it Harris was unattached plays the same style as warnock which suits the squad and bang easy for the club

Personally I’d rather have taken a chance on bowyer or someone willing to change things up but given staying in the division is the key thing this year right now I can kind of understand the boards decision I’d much rather them have said the above and given Harris a rolling contract with the brief of avoiding relegation and we will revisit in the summer ideally then we could have changed it up and rebuilt for a push ahead with a new style of play but seems we are now stuck with Harris until 2022 unless he’s sacked before

I have had time to let it sink in think about it and lets be honest, on paper it looks like an abysmal appointment with absolutely no thought at all.

Neil Harris is not exactly talked about as a pioneer of modern football or an up and coming manager with great ideas, he is not a man talked about as having progressive ideas

I will give him a chance and support him, of course I will, but to lose someone like Neil Warnock on Tuesday and appoint Neil Harris 4 days later tells me that the top brass at the club have no f*cking idea whatsoever about football.

You simply cannot lose somebody of the calibre of Neil Warnock and then appoint somebody 4 days later, what process exactly has been followed there in terms on taking stock of the 'sudden' departure of our manager.

Manager leaves suddenly on day 1, day 2 is taking stock, day 3 is advertising the position, day 4 is seeing who has applied, day 5-6-7 is seeing who we want and interviewing, day 8-9-10 is making the appointment.

I just don't get it, I would like somebody from the Club to come out and tell us the truth, in the meantime I'll just carry on supporting the Club, what choice do we have?

I have warmed to the idea as the week went on ..
but
what I really do not understand was all the bookies , who you would imagine heard of NWs departure at the same time as ourselves inserted Harris as fav ..obvious to a dozen bookmakers but not to any fans ?
then Dalman comes out with a statement regarding their ideal candidate which really don't describe anything ive read about NH..?

me..? ..ill support the club if Donald duck was manager and in lge 2.. in fact I think I already have, he had a Kenny hibbit mask on.

Same mate.

I just don't understand it though, something doesn't add up does it? Somethings gone on somewhere we just havnt hered about yet imo.

maybe we never will

I would have thought it’s obvious really

Warnock left, the players don’t fit the style of a full change of tactics and style of play and therefore a manager coming in would ideally play a similar style, uprooting a full style change now would be crazy given we are nearer relegation than playoffs and a relegation battle may well be looming

Add to it Harris was unattached plays the same style as warnock which suits the squad and bang easy for the club

Personally I’d rather have taken a chance on bowyer or someone willing to change things up but given staying in the division is the key thing this year right now I can kind of understand the boards decision I’d much rather them have said the above and given Harris a rolling contract with the brief of avoiding relegation and we will revisit in the summer ideally then we could have changed it up and rebuilt for a push ahead with a new style of play but seems we are now stuck with Harris until 2022 unless he’s sacked before

According to Dalmam Warnock left by mutual consent, untill Monday Night everything was fine, Dalman even stated he wanted Warnock to stay on till the end of the season.

That means the process of finding a new manager only started on Tuesday and Harris was appointed today officially, probably yesterday unoficialy which means we went from Warnock to Harris in 3 days.

I don't see how a proper process in finding a new manager could have been done in such a short space of time.

Things move fast in Football sometimes but this doesn't stack up.

I would have thought it’s obvious really

Warnock left, the players don’t fit the style of a full change of tactics and style of play and therefore a manager coming in would ideally play a similar style, uprooting a full style change now would be crazy given we are nearer relegation than playoffs and a relegation battle may well be looming

Add to it Harris was unattached plays the same style as warnock which suits the squad and bang easy for the club

Personally I’d rather have taken a chance on bowyer or someone willing to change things up but given staying in the division is the key thing this year right now I can kind of understand the boards decision I’d much rather them have said the above and given Harris a rolling contract with the brief of avoiding relegation and we will revisit in the summer ideally then we could have changed it up and rebuilt for a push ahead with a new style of play but seems we are now stuck with Harris until 2022 unless he’s sacked before

he was that obvious to you ? if you were the odds guy at a bookies youd install him as odds on fav when the market opened...
not for me mate...id assume a newly relegated club would be looking more experienced. and if this odds guy really was looking at style pulis would surely be the fav...

If Warnock had left at the end of last season and someone came in and did the same as Warnock in the summer transfer window and got similar results to Warnock this season, he would have been sacked after the Swansea game, if not before.
Will always appreciate Warnock for what he did here, but he well and truly fecked it right up this season.
Harris now has to deal with a disjointed squad Warnock left here. If we somehow get to the play offs, then Harris would have over achieved. Warnock left us at best a mid table squad.

If Warnock had left at the end of last season and someone came in and did the same as Warnock in the summer transfer window and got similar results to Warnock this season, he would have been sacked after the Swansea game, if not before.
Will always appreciate Warnock for what he did here, but he well and truly fecked it right up this season.
Harris now has to deal with a disjointed squad Warnock left here. If we somehow get to the play offs, then Harris would have over achieved. Warnock left us at best a mid table squad.

people put way too much emphasis on the Swansea game...
name the managers that got sacked after 14 games .. because I can rattle of loads who have survived worse runs

If Warnock had left at the end of last season and someone came in and did the same as Warnock in the summer transfer window and got similar results to Warnock this season, he would have been sacked after the Swansea game, if not before.
Will always appreciate Warnock for what he did here, but he well and truly fecked it right up this season.
Harris now has to deal with a disjointed squad Warnock left here. If we somehow get to the play offs, then Harris would have over achieved. Warnock left us at best a mid table squad.

people put way too much emphasis on the Swansea game...
name the managers that got sacked after 14 games .. because I can rattle of loads who have survived worse runs

That’s because we were totally and utterly abysmal. I’ve no doubt the scenario I laid out in my previous post would have seen a dismissal. The fanbase would be over 90% screaming for him to be sacked and the club would have acted. Because it was Warnock and he did a fantastic job in his first two seasons, saved him.

Everyone seems to assume that the process to replace NW only started last week? As soon as Warnock made it clear that this would be his last season I am sure the hierarchy at our Club started to put the wheels in motion to source his replacement, then we had the shocking performances and the dismal showing against the Jack's and the first signs of discontent from our fans. Then came the loss to Bristol.
There was the likelihood of fans starting to show their anger towards Warnock and I think the Club thought let's have a change and they already had NH in mind. Now let's give our new man the chance to see what he can do.

Agreed TerryB.

Sir Neils intended retirement would have necessitated discussions for Tan, Dalman and Choo and possibly involved sir Neil himself.

Its a totally uninspired choice as was Slade. Fans have to make their own decisions on level of their support and let's hope he and we via the team have a good start or in could get rocky.

If Warnock had left at the end of last season and someone came in and did the same as Warnock in the summer transfer window and got similar results to Warnock this season, he would have been sacked after the Swansea game, if not before.
Will always appreciate Warnock for what he did here, but he well and truly fecked it right up this season.
Harris now has to deal with a disjointed squad Warnock left here. If we somehow get to the play offs, then Harris would have over achieved. Warnock left us at best a mid table squad.

people put way too much emphasis on the Swansea game...
name the managers that got sacked after 14 games .. because I can rattle of loads who have survived worse runs

That’s because we were totally and utterly abysmal. I’ve no doubt the scenario I laid out in my previous post would have seen a dismissal. The fanbase would be over 90% screaming for him to be sacked and the club would have acted. Because it was Warnock and he did a fantastic job in his first two seasons, saved him.

I agree RayB. Sir Neils previous achievements for us and his cv bought him space that wouldnt have been afforded to others. Our home results have papered over cracks and if not after Swansea then after Bristol our performances would warrant questions especially about our recruitment

Everyone seems to assume that the process to replace NW only started last week? As soon as Warnock made it clear that this would be his last season I am sure the hierarchy at our Club started to put the wheels in motion to source his replacement, then we had the shocking performances and the dismal showing against the Jack's and the first signs of discontent from our fans. Then came the loss to Bristol.
There was the likelihood of fans starting to show their anger towards Warnock and I think the Club thought let's have a change and they already had NH in mind. Now let's give our new man the chance to see what he can do.

if the club came up with Harris after weeks of looking they want to step down really,its incompetence at its finest.

The club concedes that with the existing Manager, it’s not working and there’s a parting of the ways. Answer... replace with same.

If we continue like we have been playing, it’ll get ugly and I can’t see Harris lasting long.

The club concedes that with the existing Manager, it’s not working and there’s a parting of the ways. Answer... replace with same.

If we continue like we have been playing, it’ll get ugly and I can’t see Harris lasting long.

Agree, Harris has to hit the ground running; if we lose the next three games it will turn ugly but if we were to win the next three I guarantee The Canton will be singing his name. It's all about the results, more so than the style of play.
Personally I hope he proves to be a roaring success but I think we had to have a change.

Charlton and Forrest away with a mid week scrap in the middle at home with Stoke. All very winnable fixtures.

The club are stuck now,let’s be blunt what manager could have got this current set of players,playing a passing game?can anyone see flint or Morrison receiving the ball from ethridge and being comfortable with it?,the current set are all six footers and are set in their style of play,which is just smashing it,no point in having a manager in like houghton,who would want to play a passing game

That’s why Warnock needed to go last season. Tans inability to make that decision is ultimately why we’re in this mess.

I totaly agree with you.

Harris was Warnock's choice as his successor and was pencilled in to take over at the end of the year or at Christmas if things weren't going well. It's just happened a few weeks early as Warnock had the chance to become a manager in Scotland and to take on the big boys there , his last remaining ambition/challenge as a manager.

You may be right Rumpo.
But we do have the highly acclaimed transfer committee. Warnock not a one man club.
I doubt either Dalman or Choo have the balls to stand up to Tan or Warnock.
Dalman spent all summer trying to buy another club and someone on another thread said Choo had moved to London.
If we can see the nonsense made of recruitment and how life after Sir Neil and his brand required a reshaping why can't they? I guess they have been converted to his ways and think it's possible to do it again. Or more likely they just don't care and are very highly remunerated for not doing very much.

Leicester won the PL with a counter attacking low percentage of possession style but have evolved to what they are now which is an offensive ball on the floor brand of football. We aren't evolving at all.

Harris was Warnock's choice as his successor and was pencilled in to take over at the end of the year or at Christmas if things weren't going well. It's just happened a few weeks early as Warnock had the chance to become a manager in Scotland and to take on the big boys there , his last remaining ambition/challenge as a manager.

Completely agree Bluelover. Script written and Sir Neil highly influential in it if not written it every word.

Dalman and Choo need to grow a pair a pair.

Sir Neils footballing brand will remain with us long after he's gone at this rate.

Could this three window ban be a lot more likely to happen than us fans are aware of.
If it is could be the case not many wanted the job we got a ageing squad and a crap youth system.

Leicester are interesting. Was thinking about the gulf that now exists between the two clubs, and decision making. We beat them last season, albeit fortuitously... but their owners are clear about the direction in which they want to go.

There are only really two plausible reasons for this happening that I can see.

1. Neil Warnock advised the club previously that Harris would be a good replacement if he left.
The club talked to Harris making him leave Millwall last month, Warnock found out and Quit because he had not made his decision yet.

2. Warnock wanted the Hearts job more than staying with us. Cardiff were taken by suprise and panicked jumping at Warnocks recommendation without giving it much thought. They then realised the fans were not happy with the decision which is why it took a few days but it was too late.

Hadn't linked that Pencoed but a dreadful thought.
I don't think others turned the job down. It's not been offered to anyone else to turn down.