Emiliano Sala and the integrity of Cardiff City FC

I’ll cut to the chase, we all know the situation.


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In regards to any of the payment for Emiliano Sala being paid, I’ve had different points of view with it at different times and heard what each side has to say about wether we owe all - if not any - of the transfer fee potentially owed to FC Nantes. In a nut shell, this is my final say on it and I can’t take any other view than this anymore..

The argument to say “legally” we may not owe it due to one particular document someone may or may not have signed off, or was refused for whatever reason, is the same mentality as a criminal who murdered or raped someone having lawyers trying to get him free and off the hook because there’s no evidence to prove it, knowing full well that he did commit the act.

It’s the same situation with Sala in the sense that every single person, I don’t care who you are, in regards to the circumstances and situation, knows that we definitely signed this player, wether or not some premier league registration paperwork wasn’t completely finished, he was announced as ours, we all celebrated the signing etc etc. Now, paying all of the fee I can understand not feeling like we should due to what happened, but I’m a bit disappointed that Cardiff haven’t offered to pay half. Not as a gesture of good Will because that’s a lot of money for a gesture, but we should do it for the integrity of the club. We shouldn’t be pushing this as far as we legally can in my eyes, we should and always should have offered to pay half to Nantes. They’ve not only lost a player, but they’ve lost the 16+ million if we somehow win this claim on a legality. That’s why I think we should pay the half, no more, no less. Integrity.

Sidenote, if behind the scenes we have actually offered to pay half and Nantes refused, I strongly think the club should make a statement saying just that. It’s our club, we want to know what’s happening and not feel like we’re on the edge of a big fine, a point deduction, transfer embargo, or worse.

The point is that Nantes employed someone to sell that player.

That person was acting on their behalf throughout the process WHICH WASN’T COMPLETED.

That person arranged for Sala to fly to Cardiff on an illegal flight with a pilot who wasn’t qualified to fly commercially or in the dark on an aircraft that may not have been fit for purpose.

The above means it’s an illegal flight that negates the insurance.

If it was your money I bet you wouldn’t be so generous with it.

The point is that Nantes employed someone to sell that player.

That person was acting on their behalf throughout the process WHICH WASN’T COMPLETED.

That person arranged for Sala to fly to Cardiff on an illegal flight with a pilot who wasn’t qualified to fly commercially or in the dark on an aircraft that may not have been fit for purpose.

The above means it’s an illegal flight that negates the insurance.

If it was your money I bet you wouldn’t be so generous with it.

FIFA say it was complete..
and Mckay. did not get involved on the instructions of Nantes but as a favour after a text conversation between ES and one of his sons..
we on the other hand did get involved in this { private trip }.and offered a commercial flight..

Nante refused to negotiate with city on compromise, so no option but to go other routes to sort out

Nante refused to negotiate with city on compromise, so no option but to go other routes to sort out

I would hope if the boot was on the other foot that we would refuse too..
they have lost a major asset only because we came along and agreed to compensate them for that loss.
had he died in some sort of accident a week / month / year prior they would get compensated via insurance which is what we should be doing.

Why do we have to keep doing this all the time?

It's been done, thread after thread, serves no purpose to have the same arguments over and over again.

People need to let it go and let the authorities/people involved sort it out now.

I understand the messageboard is for discussion but this topic has surely been covered more than enough.

Nante refused to negotiate with city on compromise, so no option but to go other routes to sort out

I would hope if the boot was on the other foot that we would refuse too..
they have lost a major asset only because we came along and agreed to compensate them for that loss.
had he died in some sort of accident a week / month / year prior they would get compensated via insurance which is what we should be doing.

It doesn't matter whose foot the boot was on, id be amazed if any other club wouldn't appeal to Fifa and then CAS, no matter the outcome either way of what FIFA said either us or Nantes were going to CAS.

Cant see any insurance paying out on this without a fight either.

Nante refused to negotiate with city on compromise, so no option but to go other routes to sort out

I would hope if the boot was on the other foot that we would refuse too..
they have lost a major asset only because we came along and agreed to compensate them for that loss.
had he died in some sort of accident a week / month / year prior they would get compensated via insurance which is what we should be doing.

It doesn't matter whose foot the boot was on, id be amazed if any other club wouldn't appeal to Fifa and then CAS, no matter the outcome either way of what FIFA said either us or Nantes were going to CAS.

Cant see any insurance paying out on this without a fight either.

well personally id like a journalist to be asking the question...
should it turn out that you have to pay .do you have insurance ?
all the articles written and interviews given it has not been asked once..

Nante refused to negotiate with city on compromise, so no option but to go other routes to sort out

I would hope if the boot was on the other foot that we would refuse too..
they have lost a major asset only because we came along and agreed to compensate them for that loss.
had he died in some sort of accident a week / month / year prior they would get compensated via insurance which is what we should be doing.

It doesn't matter whose foot the boot was on, id be amazed if any other club wouldn't appeal to Fifa and then CAS, no matter the outcome either way of what FIFA said either us or Nantes were going to CAS.

Cant see any insurance paying out on this without a fight either.

well personally id like a journalist to be asking the question...
should it turn out that you have to pay .do you have insurance ?
all the articles written and interviews given it has not been asked once..

I guess you cant have Insurance on something you don't own, so if the club are saying it wasn't complete then having Insurance make any difference.

Personally I think we will end up paying but we were never going to know until either us or Nantes took it to CAS. Very sad state of affairs.

Why do we have to keep doing this all the time?

It's been done, thread after thread, serves no purpose to have the same arguments over and over again.

People need to let it go and let the authorities/people involved sort it out now.

I understand the messageboard is for discussion but this topic has surely been covered more than enough.

it does effect us all though .. must have had a bearing on transfers.

Why do we have to keep doing this all the time?

It's been done, thread after thread, serves no purpose to have the same arguments over and over again.

People need to let it go and let the authorities/people involved sort it out now.

I understand the messageboard is for discussion but this topic has surely been covered more than enough.

it does effect us all though .. must have had a bearing on transfers.

I know mate but it's been done so many times now over and over, it's just the same old. There must have been 100 threads on this I just don't get why it gets recycled every other month.

Why do we have to keep doing this all the time?

It's been done, thread after thread, serves no purpose to have the same arguments over and over again.

People need to let it go and let the authorities/people involved sort it out now.

I understand the messageboard is for discussion but this topic has surely been covered more than enough.

it does effect us all though .. must have had a bearing on transfers.

I know mate but it's been done so many times now over and over, it's just the same old. There must have been 100 threads on this I just don't get why it gets recycled every other month.

RV everyman and his dog knows city face sanctions if dont pay! so this story is not really valid until after CAS as made decision? And city fail to pay if lose appeal... yes ut affects club but not until due process as been completed

Why do we have to keep doing this all the time?

It's been done, thread after thread, serves no purpose to have the same arguments over and over again.

People need to let it go and let the authorities/people involved sort it out now.

I understand the messageboard is for discussion but this topic has surely been covered more than enough.

Couldn’t agree more, it’s getting beyond ridiculous.

Nobody knows the full story and what’s going on behind the scenes - only the small amount of ‘reports’ that have been released.

People constantly guessing and assuming without knowing the intricacies of the law and insurance details.

Nante refused to negotiate with city on compromise, so no option but to go other routes to sort out

I would hope if the boot was on the other foot that we would refuse too..
they have lost a major asset only because we came along and agreed to compensate them for that loss.
had he died in some sort of accident a week / month / year prior they would get compensated via insurance which is what we should be doing.

It doesn't matter whose foot the boot was on, id be amazed if any other club wouldn't appeal to Fifa and then CAS, no matter the outcome either way of what FIFA said either us or Nantes were going to CAS.

Cant see any insurance paying out on this without a fight either.

I think it matters which foot the boot was on...you have to look at things from both sides surely ?
besides had FIFA said the opposite , that he was not registered as a Cardiff player . where would Nantes go with that other than their insurance ?

Nante refused to negotiate with city on compromise, so no option but to go other routes to sort out

I would hope if the boot was on the other foot that we would refuse too..
they have lost a major asset only because we came along and agreed to compensate them for that loss.
had he died in some sort of accident a week / month / year prior they would get compensated via insurance which is what we should be doing.

It doesn't matter whose foot the boot was on, id be amazed if any other club wouldn't appeal to Fifa and then CAS, no matter the outcome either way of what FIFA said either us or Nantes were going to CAS.

Cant see any insurance paying out on this without a fight either.

I think it matters which foot the boot was on...you have to look at things from both sides surely ?
besides had FIFA said the opposite , that he was not registered as a Cardiff player . where would Nantes go with that other than their insurance ?

Could be its the insurance bit thats the problem if hes nante player hes insured that's for sure! But that's the grey area concerning city was he insured there is doubts that hs was due to timing of death. So city are using every channel to make sure they are totally liable before paying up

Nante refused to negotiate with city on compromise, so no option but to go other routes to sort out

I would hope if the boot was on the other foot that we would refuse too..
they have lost a major asset only because we came along and agreed to compensate them for that loss.
had he died in some sort of accident a week / month / year prior they would get compensated via insurance which is what we should be doing.

It doesn't matter whose foot the boot was on, id be amazed if any other club wouldn't appeal to Fifa and then CAS, no matter the outcome either way of what FIFA said either us or Nantes were going to CAS.

Cant see any insurance paying out on this without a fight either.

I think it matters which foot the boot was on...you have to look at things from both sides surely ?
besides had FIFA said the opposite , that he was not registered as a Cardiff player . where would Nantes go with that other than their insurance ?

CAS as well, whatever fifa said the other team were always going to go to CAS and appeal, we all knew that from the start.

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The point is that Nantes employed someone to sell that player.

That person was acting on their behalf throughout the process WHICH WASN’T COMPLETED.

That person arranged for Sala to fly to Cardiff on an illegal flight with a pilot who wasn’t qualified to fly commercially or in the dark on an aircraft that may not have been fit for purpose.

The above means it’s an illegal flight that negates the insurance.

If it was your money I bet you wouldn’t be so generous with it.

Exactly. I hope we pay the fee. I hope we recover that cash from those that sent Sala to his death. That’s what insurance is for after all.

The point is that Nantes employed someone to sell that player.

That person was acting on their behalf throughout the process WHICH WASN’T COMPLETED.

That person arranged for Sala to fly to Cardiff on an illegal flight with a pilot who wasn’t qualified to fly commercially or in the dark on an aircraft that may not have been fit for purpose.

The above means it’s an illegal flight that negates the insurance.

If it was your money I bet you wouldn’t be so generous with it.

Exactly. I hope we pay the fee. I hope we recover that cash from those that sent Sala to his death. That’s what insurance is for after all.

If,as the club keep insisting he wasn't officially our player,then surely any insurance company would use that fact,as a loophole to not pay out??we must have all had dealings with them, to know they will try to wriggle out of paying at the slightest hint of said loophole?? I wish this would hurry up and be settled one way or another though,a cloud hanging over us,until it is I am only thinking out loud,know jack regards legal matters.

Nante refused to negotiate with city on compromise, so no option but to go other routes to sort out

Why should they compromise? They are owed the full amount after they sold Cardiff their star player.

McKay was contracted to finalise the deal. He did that, which means the contract ended. He THEN arranged the flight for Sala as Cardiff would only offer a budget on at an inconvenient time. He did that as a favour and not under the instructions or representation of Nantes.

There is no insurance at all, nothing to do with the pilot not having the correct licence. If Cardiff managed to insure him then the question of if they owned him wouldn’t even exist, they would by definition. You cannot insure something you don’t own.

RV everyman and his dog knows city face sanctions if dont pay! so this story is not really valid until after CAS as made decision? And city fail to pay if lose appeal... yes ut affects club but not until due process as been completed

The appeal process can overturn a ruling and reverse sanctions if they rule in favour - but that is only when they rule in favour. They have no authority over FIFA until that time, FIFA can now commence their sanctions as they have made their decision. They don’t wait for CAS to confirm.

Nante refused to negotiate with city on compromise, so no option but to go other routes to sort out

I would hope if the boot was on the other foot that we would refuse too..
they have lost a major asset only because we came along and agreed to compensate them for that loss.
had he died in some sort of accident a week / month / year prior they would get compensated via insurance which is what we should be doing.

It doesn't matter whose foot the boot was on, id be amazed if any other club wouldn't appeal to Fifa and then CAS, no matter the outcome either way of what FIFA said either us or Nantes were going to CAS.

Cant see any insurance paying out on this without a fight either.

I think it matters which foot the boot was on...you have to look at things from both sides surely ?
besides had FIFA said the opposite , that he was not registered as a Cardiff player . where would Nantes go with that other than their insurance ?

CAS as well, whatever fifa said the other team were always going to go to CAS and appeal, we all knew that from the start.

why would Nantes go to CAS if he had not been registered with us...they just claim insurance..

The point is that Nantes employed someone to sell that player.

That person was acting on their behalf throughout the process WHICH WASN’T COMPLETED.

That person arranged for Sala to fly to Cardiff on an illegal flight with a pilot who wasn’t qualified to fly commercially or in the dark on an aircraft that may not have been fit for purpose.

The above means it’s an illegal flight that negates the insurance.

If it was your money I bet you wouldn’t be so generous with it.

Exactly. I hope we pay the fee. I hope we recover that cash from those that sent Sala to his death. That’s what insurance is for after all.

If,as the club keep insisting he wasn't officially our player,then surely any insurance company would use that fact,as a loophole to not pay out??we must have all had dealings with them, to know they will try to wriggle out of paying at the slightest hint of said loophole?? I wish this would hurry up and be settled one way or another though,a cloud hanging over us,until it is I am only thinking out loud,know jack regards legal matters. [/quote


why would we have insurance on a Nantes player..? and of course any insurance Nantes had on him ended when he was registered at another club and was no longer a Nantes player..
as for the plane , anyone that thinks any insurance cover the plane owner has covers transfer fees is barking.

Let's just pay the money and if the club feel they need to fight the case after to claim it back then they can. I just feel this is dragging on and on and affecting the players and fans and the integrity of the whole club.

This could have huge detrimental consequences on the club. Pay now. Fight later

I agree with the last poster ,we just gotta pay ,he was our player , no way out of it .... sorry

This should have been sorted out by now !

Nante refused to negotiate with city on compromise, so no option but to go other routes to sort out

I would hope if the boot was on the other foot that we would refuse too..
they have lost a major asset only because we came along and agreed to compensate them for that loss.
had he died in some sort of accident a week / month / year prior they would get compensated via insurance which is what we should be doing.

It doesn't matter whose foot the boot was on, id be amazed if any other club wouldn't appeal to Fifa and then CAS, no matter the outcome either way of what FIFA said either us or Nantes were going to CAS.

Cant see any insurance paying out on this without a fight either.

I think it matters which foot the boot was on...you have to look at things from both sides surely ?
besides had FIFA said the opposite , that he was not registered as a Cardiff player . where would Nantes go with that other than their insurance ?

CAS as well, whatever fifa said the other team were always going to go to CAS and appeal, we all knew that from the start.

why would Nantes go to CAS if he had not been registered with us...they just claim insurance..

Its what fifa said at time ? They said both clubs can appeal the decision obviously this was before decision was made , Only appeal for either club is to CAS fifa have washed hands of whole thing as didn't look at legal side of things (according to today's statement) and have left it to CAS to sort out and probably lawyers after CAS...

Nante refused to negotiate with city on compromise, so no option but to go other routes to sort out

I would hope if the boot was on the other foot that we would refuse too..
they have lost a major asset only because we came along and agreed to compensate them for that loss.
had he died in some sort of accident a week / month / year prior they would get compensated via insurance which is what we should be doing.

It doesn't matter whose foot the boot was on, id be amazed if any other club wouldn't appeal to Fifa and then CAS, no matter the outcome either way of what FIFA said either us or Nantes were going to CAS.

Cant see any insurance paying out on this without a fight either.

I think it matters which foot the boot was on...you have to look at things from both sides surely ?
besides had FIFA said the opposite , that he was not registered as a Cardiff player . where would Nantes go with that other than their insurance ?

CAS as well, whatever fifa said the other team were always going to go to CAS and appeal, we all knew that from the start.

why would Nantes go to CAS if he had not been registered with us...they just claim insurance..

Its what fifa said at time ? They said both clubs can appeal the decision obviously this was before decision was made , Only appeal for either club is to CAS fifa have washed hands of whole thing as didn't look at legal side of things (according to today's statement) and have left it to CAS to sort out and probably lawyers after CAS...

If so, it would make sense to let the 'Legal Eagles' sort it out once and for all

No one will come out of this with any glory but everyone will move on; except (sadly) the player himself