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Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:21 am

The party is split, so they will drag it on further by negotiating any deal the EU will give them when they know they will then hold a referendum with some weak deal v's remain, after three years of Brexit, do they really expect anyone, even labour voters to vote for that?

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:02 am

Traditional Labour voters will desert them in droves

I fully expect them to lose countless seats at the election, it’s who these lost voters actually side with that’s probably going to decide the final outcome of the election

I also expect some Labour candidates to possibly lose their seats in even the most traditional heartlands like the South Wales valleys

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:52 am

They tried to give 3 million EU nationals the right to vote in our national elections. That sums up their policy on Europe.

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:08 am

If EU citizen work and live here pay their taxes here they should be allowed to vote because the results effect them as much as it effect uk citizens

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:21 am

No other country allows non nationals the vote in general elections. Local yes. But not until they become citizens can they vote. To allow them the vote and change a precident from parliamentary history off the back of a hour of debating with no previous plans or promises to do it would be lunacy IMHO.

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:23 am

Blakey59 wrote:If EU citizen work and live here pay their taxes here they should be allowed to vote because the results effect them as much as it effect uk citizens



That doesn't happen any where else in the world so why should it happen here ?

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:26 am

Blakey59 wrote:If EU citizen work and live here pay their taxes here they should be allowed to vote because the results effect them as much as it effect uk citizens



No they shouldn't it's for UK citizens only, the same as the majority of the rest of the World, UK expats in Spain and wherever should be treated the same!

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:35 pm

I hate to say it but I agree

Like it or not this election will be all about Brexit

Important issues like a policing hospitals education will get s look in but the voters I feel will support the party that is closely aligned to their view on Brexit

Tories are aligned to leave

Lib Dem’s will pick up those labour voters who want to stay

and I think Labour will gain around 20% of the vote and a substantial loss of seats

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:39 pm

welshrarebit wrote:No other country allows non nationals the vote in general elections. Local yes. But not until they become citizens can they vote. To allow them the vote and change a precident from parliamentary history off the back of a hour of debating with no previous plans or promises to do it would be lunacy IMHO.



Correct.

My family are Spanish Residents and are not allowed to vote.

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:51 pm

Blakey59 wrote:If EU citizen work and live here pay their taxes here they should be allowed to vote because the results effect them as much as it effect uk citizens



well I live here ,work here, pay my taxes here. and am still awaiting the results of the last vote that effects me to be adhered to...first things first eh :lol:

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:56 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Blakey59 wrote:If EU citizen work and live here pay their taxes here they should be allowed to vote because the results effect them as much as it effect uk citizens



No they shouldn't it's for UK citizens only, the same as the majority of the rest of the World, UK expats in Spain and wherever should be treated the same!



Does he realise theres 3m EU citizens in uk? If all voted it would seriously effect the election! Thats not acceptable for any one especially as it will be just a ploy to get remain MPs elected.. :twisted:

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:56 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Blakey59 wrote:If EU citizen work and live here pay their taxes here they should be allowed to vote because the results effect them as much as it effect uk citizens



No they shouldn't it's for UK citizens only, the same as the majority of the rest of the World, UK expats in Spain and wherever should be treated the same!



Does he realise theres 3m EU citizens in uk? If all voted it would seriously effect the election! Thats not acceptable for any one especially as it will be just a ploy to get remain MPs elected.. :twisted:



of course he, Sourby and everyone else making this point realise how many there are and how they would likely vote..
strangely enough this { perceived } injustice has only become an issue because of Brexit.

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:11 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Blakey59 wrote:If EU citizen work and live here pay their taxes here they should be allowed to vote because the results effect them as much as it effect uk citizens



No they shouldn't it's for UK citizens only, the same as the majority of the rest of the World, UK expats in Spain and wherever should be treated the same!



Does he realise theres 3m EU citizens in uk? If all voted it would seriously effect the election! Thats not acceptable for any one especially as it will be just a ploy to get remain MPs elected.. :twisted:




I think that's the idea. I assume its labour policy now. What really gets me is that the media let them get away with trying it on without so much as a whimper. An absolute fundamental change, giving voting rights to citizens of other countries has been airbrushed out. Rees Mogg lying over the commons seats got 20x more airtime and press coverage,

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:16 pm

I come from a traditionaly Labour voting household, my dad was a member of the Labour Party.

I'm not a overly political person personally, I think all party's have some good ideas but I could never vote for my Labour MP now, he's voted against everything that's been thrown up in regards to Brexit in a constituency that voted to Leave.

I didn't vote in the referendum but I believe in democracy and that we should leave, some of these MP's such as my current one are not against any deal they want us to stay full stop which is just wrong my view.

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:26 pm

dogfound wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Blakey59 wrote:If EU citizen work and live here pay their taxes here they should be allowed to vote because the results effect them as much as it effect uk citizens



No they shouldn't it's for UK citizens only, the same as the majority of the rest of the World, UK expats in Spain and wherever should be treated the same!



Does he realise theres 3m EU citizens in uk? If all voted it would seriously effect the election! Thats not acceptable for any one especially as it will be just a ploy to get remain MPs elected.. :twisted:



of course he, Sourby and everyone else making this point realise how many there are and how they would likely vote..
strangely enough this { perceived } injustice has only become an issue because of Brexit.



Remainers on here spout about brexiteers lies but if they are lies remainers are just being decietfull that's worse than telling lies .... :old:

Re: Labours position on Brexit

Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:56 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
dogfound wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Blakey59 wrote:If EU citizen work and live here pay their taxes here they should be allowed to vote because the results effect them as much as it effect uk citizens



No they shouldn't it's for UK citizens only, the same as the majority of the rest of the World, UK expats in Spain and wherever should be treated the same!



Does he realise theres 3m EU citizens in uk? If all voted it would seriously effect the election! Thats not acceptable for any one especially as it will be just a ploy to get remain MPs elected.. :twisted:



of course he, Sourby and everyone else making this point realise how many there are and how they would likely vote..
strangely enough this { perceived } injustice has only become an issue because of Brexit.



Remainers on here spout about brexiteers lies but if they are lies remainers are just being decietfull that's worse than telling lies .... :old:



I was undecided { I still am regarding which would be best for our country } so therefore did not vote...but since the election what has come from remain is basically insults, name calling, legal loopholes, dirty tricks and false representation..
democracy all of a sudden is a million miles away from what we were all brought up to believe...