Devolution/Welsh Assembley

Another honest question

I was only a kid in 1997 and see all these arguments since so my simple question is for those old enough to know is since devolution has there been any change in your life and if so has it been for the better or worse?

Another honest question

I was only a kid in 1997 and see all these arguments since so my simple question is for those old enough to know is since devolution has there been any change in your life and if so has it been for the better or worse?

No change but did effect me with nhs being devolved had to give up my specialist in Bristol as wag to slow in paying the money for seeing him.... but generally think it's been waste of money and that's going worse in future! They seem intent on being the 1st at doing everything regardless of consequences to the people and boast about it?
Best thing fre prescription but even then balled it up by allowing over counter drugs to be given out willy nilly thats half problem with gp waiting times

Last edited by pembroke allan on Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I asked the question to my parents and they said maybe they have been lucky but they have seen little difference in their lives whoever has been in control in government whether it be local or national but that there has been a decline in the NHS in Wales.

Another honest question

I was only a kid in 1997 and see all these arguments since so my simple question is for those old enough to know is since devolution has there been any change in your life and if so has it been for the better or worse?

No change but did effect me with nhs being devolved had to give up my specialist in Bristol as wag to slow in paying the money for seeing him.... but generally think it's been waste of money and that's going worse in future! They seem intent on being the 1st at doing everything regardless of consequences to the people and boast about it?

Sorry Al, posted my other message before I had seen yours mate.

Another honest question

I was only a kid in 1997 and see all these arguments since so my simple question is for those old enough to know is since devolution has there been any change in your life and if so has it been for the better or worse?

No change but did effect me with nhs being devolved had to give up my specialist in Bristol as wag to slow in paying the money for seeing him.... but generally think it's been waste of money and that's going worse in future! They seem intent on being the 1st at doing everything regardless of consequences to the people and boast about it?

Sorry Al, posted my other message before I had seen yours mate.

Yes you did I've put more to it

Back as a kid i would of voted for devolution and for labour i was only 17 in 97 ,but since im a bit older and wiser i think we are better off without the assembly and definitely wouldn't vote for labour ever again ,as a small business owner since 2002 the Tories are definitely do more to help small businesses out

i think they had to have a recount when the vote was announced , it was a very small turn out low 20% with a small minority win for devotion and these same people want to change the brexit vote. As for the nhs i have to apply to the welsh nhs board every three months for my Daughters Avastin which is given routinely in England for her condition and this week i have just heard that the welsh nhs are willing to pay for her surgery in oxford with a hand specialist surgeon who has done all her reconstructive surgery over the last couple of years,we have only had to wait 7 months to hear if the welsh nhs is going to pay the english nhs the £10,000 cost.if we lived in england it would not have been a problem, when you have a complex health issue you will usually have to go to a specialist centre which deals with it which would probably be over the boarder, so you have got to apply for funding, the whole situation is crazy. Wait till they get tax raising powers on income tax.

i think they had to have a recount when the vote was announced , it was a very small turn out low 20% with a small minority win for devotion and these same people want to change the brexit vote. As for the nhs i have to apply to the welsh nhs board every three months for my Daughters Avastin which is given routinely in England for her condition and this week i have just heard that the welsh nhs are willing to pay for her surgery in oxford with a hand specialist surgeon who has done all her reconstructive surgery over the last couple of years,we have only had to wait 7 months to hear if the welsh nhs is going to pay the english nhs the £10,000 cost.if we lived in england it would not have been a problem, when you have a complex health issue you will usually have to go to a specialist centre which deals with it which would probably be over the boarder, so you have got to apply for funding, the whole situation is crazy. Wait till they get tax raising powers on income tax.

Yes I had same problem no specialist in Wales had one in Bristol for about 15 yrs but devolution meant had to pay Bristol the money before can see him waited 6 months for funding for op in end local health board payed and got money back later! But now got a consultant at uhw who is a specialist but doesn't have good knowledge of my condition... God help us if get tax raising powers

It has made no difference to me at all, which is why I think it has been a complete waste of money. As far as I can see, we are now are shining light to be used as an example of how not to run a health service or an ambulance service. I doubt if anyone in Wales is better or worse off since the Senedd came into being. It seems to a talking shop with little action other than awarding grants to companies who then cease trading or move back overseas at the earliest opportunity.

Problem is Steve, from such a small pool of talent we get no brains or dynamic. Of course, AM's are happy.. they get a really good deal for not alot. Also delighted are the Nats, blinded by patriotism and all its weaknesses.

We should interview the best people for the roles in there. For some reason, you have to be a politician to be involved in governance. This is an idiotic position, and the Assembly is living proof of that.

Its not working for Wales at all.

Another honest question

I was only a kid in 1997 and see all these arguments since so my simple question is for those old enough to know is since devolution has there been any change in your life and if so has it been for the better or worse?

If is wasn’t for the assembly the Ebbw Vale to Cardiff line would not have reopened so yes, it’s had a huge impact on gwent valleys .

However , their handling of the M4 relief road has been a disgrace

Lot more negatives than positives and we have also seem the rise of the career politicians.

Times change but personally against it then and haven't changed my mind one bit.

I voted against it and as far as I am concerned it has been a waste of time and money and only made careers for certain politicians

Just another layer of dysfunctional government we all have to pay for.

Another example of the Welsh at their very best.....talking ourselves down and happy to be ruled by another country who don't give a feck about us. Looks like we get what we deserve.....permanent poverty (by comparison) And no control over our fantastic natural resources which could, in our own hands, create many thousands of well paid jobs.
We should be talking about getting rid of the Westminster parliament, and not the Senedd, judging by their total mismanagement of the single issue of Brexit. Fecking hopeless they are. UK debt through the roof and rising. Inequitable society, ie rich getting disgustingly richer at the expense of the poor becoming increasingly poorer.
Huge infrastructure investment in London and the southeast whereas Wales, the 5% of UK population and 11% of UK rail network gets, for many years, less than 1% of UK investment. And people are happy with this??
Independence for Wales! Look around the world....it's the natural thing actually.

For me it's an expensive waste of time and effort. It's trumped up by the nationalist side of the argument without considering what it does ... Or indeed doesn't do.

As an NHS worker I don't even agree with free prescriptions. It's an expensive headline policy that does little of benefit as those that needed free prescriptions would mostly have had them anyway and those that can afford it easily don't need it free. Instead people go expecting ibuprofen when it costs 30p over the counter. It's costs many times more than that on prescription.

I'm all for more local decision making. But I don't think the assembly is the way to do it. It for me has sewn more division between us.

Another example of the Welsh at their very best.....talking ourselves down and happy to be ruled by another country who don't give a feck about us. Looks like we get what we deserve.....permanent poverty (by comparison) And no control over our fantastic natural resources which could, in our own hands, create many thousands of well paid jobs.
We should be talking about getting rid of the Westminster parliament, and not the Senedd, judging by their total mismanagement of the single issue of Brexit. Fecking hopeless they are. UK debt through the roof and rising. Inequitable society, ie rich getting disgustingly richer at the expense of the poor becoming increasingly poorer.
Huge infrastructure investment in London and the southeast whereas Wales, the 5% of UK population and 11% of UK rail network gets, for many years, less than 1% of UK investment. And people are happy with this??
Independence for Wales! Look around the world....it's the natural thing actually.

Rail is devolved so it's up to wag to sort out and you talk of divide with south east getting more wag does same here in Wales? Cardiff valleys get lions share of money west Wales gets fck all did you know only money we get for railways here is due in 2023 while Cardiff area gets it all even north Wales get money... if you think independence is good for wales love to know how we will generate same amount of money wag gets from uk?

Moonboots and the magic thousands of well paid jobs..

Sounds like a fairy story doesn’t it..... It is.

Moonboots and the magic thousands of well paid jobs..

Sounds like a fairy story doesn’t it..... It is.

We will be ok. We can export call centres and water, providing our potential customers never learn how to build reservoirs.

Moonboots and the magic thousands of well paid jobs..

Sounds like a fairy story doesn’t it..... It is.

We will be ok. We can export call centres and water, providing our potential customers never learn how to build reservoirs.

Must not forget the massive increase in AMs to run country ffs spend more on them than spend on NHS ect

Listen to yourselves...happy to keep power in the hands of another country who continually sh1t on us and coming up with all sorts of bullshit to justify it. It is just not normal to want to be ruled by another country. Let's face it you simply have no self belief....so much defeatist talk. No wonder we have been trampled over if that's the attitude of so many.
Parliament is broken....Brexit has shown us that. If the Union is to survive it needs to move to a union of equal nations with equal respect to each other. The England- centric model will not survive. Even Welsh Labour have come around to this and they are Unionists through and through. Carwyn Jones mentioned this idea a few years ago when Brexit first appeared and now Mark Drakeford is calling for it. A couple of days ago he said of the parliamentary sovereignty model - where the UK Parliament is the highest form of authority in the UK - "does not provide a basis for the future".
I'll not comment any further on this as I know only too well that many people on here are too well entrenched in their views for minds to be changed...and that's fair enough it's a democracy after all. But it's ironic, isn't it, that Brexit, the very thing that most unionists crave for, is likely to be the very thing to shatter the Union. So beware brothers and sisters, independence is coming whether you like it or not. Better to be prepared I say.

Listen to yourselves...happy to keep power in the hands of another country who continually sh1t on us and coming up with all sorts of bullshit to justify it. It is just not normal to want to be ruled by another country. Let's face it you simply have no self belief....so much defeatist talk. No wonder we have been trampled over if that's the attitude of so many.
Parliament is broken....Brexit has shown us that. If the Union is to survive it needs to move to a union of equal nations with equal respect to each other. The England- centric model will not survive. Even Welsh Labour have come around to this and they are Unionists through and through. Carwyn Jones mentioned this idea a few years ago when Brexit first appeared and now Mark Drakeford is calling for it. A couple of days ago he said of the parliamentary sovereignty model - where the UK Parliament is the highest form of authority in the UK - "does not provide a basis for the future".
I'll not comment any further on this as I know only too well that many people on here are too well entrenched in their views for minds to be changed...and that's fair enough it's a democracy after all. But it's ironic, isn't it, that Brexit, the very thing that most unionists crave for, is likely to be the very thing to shatter the Union. So beware brothers and sisters, independence is coming whether you like it or not. Better to be prepared I say.

Fair point but you tell us how we finance running Wales without London ? Realistically of course... social welfare would cripple us before get to NHS: thumbup:

I wish he would al..
All we’ve heard so far is a lot of rot about people on here wishing to be ruled by others. Not one idea has been offered up.

Two questions on the ballot.

Should Wales be independent?

Should the Welsh Assembly be scrapped?

Bring it on..

Listen to yourselves...happy to keep power in the hands of another country who continually sh1t on us and coming up with all sorts of bullshit to justify it. It is just not normal to want to be ruled by another country. Let's face it you simply have no self belief....so much defeatist talk. No wonder we have been trampled over if that's the attitude of so many.
Parliament is broken....Brexit has shown us that. If the Union is to survive it needs to move to a union of equal nations with equal respect to each other. The England- centric model will not survive. Even Welsh Labour have come around to this and they are Unionists through and through. Carwyn Jones mentioned this idea a few years ago when Brexit first appeared and now Mark Drakeford is calling for it. A couple of days ago he said of the parliamentary sovereignty model - where the UK Parliament is the highest form of authority in the UK - "does not provide a basis for the future".
I'll not comment any further on this as I know only too well that many people on here are too well entrenched in their views for minds to be changed...and that's fair enough it's a democracy after all. But it's ironic, isn't it, that Brexit, the very thing that most unionists crave for, is likely to be the very thing to shatter the Union. So beware brothers and sisters, independence is coming whether you like it or not. Better to be prepared I say.

Fair point but you tell us how we finance running Wales without London ? Realistically of course... social welfare would cripple us before get to NHS: thumbup:

Last time I looked there were less than 1.5m people in employment in Wales. As you say, social welfare would make a massive hole in our budget before any other expenditure is taken into account. With the relatively small number of people in employment in Wales, where does the money come from to keep us afloat?

Listen to yourselves...happy to keep power in the hands of another country who continually sh1t on us and coming up with all sorts of bullshit to justify it. It is just not normal to want to be ruled by another country. Let's face it you simply have no self belief....so much defeatist talk. No wonder we have been trampled over if that's the attitude of so many.
Parliament is broken....Brexit has shown us that. If the Union is to survive it needs to move to a union of equal nations with equal respect to each other. The England- centric model will not survive. Even Welsh Labour have come around to this and they are Unionists through and through. Carwyn Jones mentioned this idea a few years ago when Brexit first appeared and now Mark Drakeford is calling for it. A couple of days ago he said of the parliamentary sovereignty model - where the UK Parliament is the highest form of authority in the UK - "does not provide a basis for the future".
I'll not comment any further on this as I know only too well that many people on here are too well entrenched in their views for minds to be changed...and that's fair enough it's a democracy after all. But it's ironic, isn't it, that Brexit, the very thing that most unionists crave for, is likely to be the very thing to shatter the Union. So beware brothers and sisters, independence is coming whether you like it or not. Better to be prepared I say.

Fair point but you tell us how we finance running Wales without London ? Realistically of course... social welfare would cripple us before get to NHS: thumbup:

Last time I looked there were less than 1.5m people in employment in Wales. As you say, social welfare would make a massive hole in our budget before any other expenditure is taken into account. With the relatively small number of people in employment in Wales, where does the money come from to keep us afloat?

I hear they are planting money trees to pay for things and to help environment at same time? but wag costs 50m+ before they increase AMs and staff in near future

NHS.... Being crippled by WAG.
Railways.... Sold cheap to French/Spanish.( Still not fit for purpose )
Airport... WAG blew millions on a white elephant.
M4 relief road... Wasted millions then scrapped it ( wonder how all the compulsory purchase faired LMFAO )
Extra AM's due to workload...... They are causing their own extra work through red tape.
English buying statics in West Wales so as to jump waiting lists and get free prescription. ( FACT )
(Refugees) given free Welsh lessons but Welsh have to pay.
Continental* business* trips.( Remember Carwyn flying everywhere )

And who can forget the tragic Carl Sargent case.

Nothing but a bunch of contemptuous money grabbing puffed up civil servants who only care about themselves and keep making new laws which doesn't affect them but makes them look busy.

Another example of the Welsh at their very best.....talking ourselves down and happy to be ruled by another country who don't give a feck about us. Looks like we get what we deserve.....permanent poverty (by comparison) And no control over our fantastic natural resources which could, in our own hands, create many thousands of well paid jobs.
We should be talking about getting rid of the Westminster parliament, and not the Senedd, judging by their total mismanagement of the single issue of Brexit. Fecking hopeless they are. UK debt through the roof and rising. Inequitable society, ie rich getting disgustingly richer at the expense of the poor becoming increasingly poorer.
Huge infrastructure investment in London and the southeast whereas Wales, the 5% of UK population and 11% of UK rail network gets, for many years, less than 1% of UK investment. And people are happy with this??
Independence for Wales! Look around the world....it's the natural thing actually.

What fantastic natural resources and how would these resources create employment and wealth for an independent Wales.
Would being ruled by Brussels be preferential to being ruled from London.

Another honest question

I was only a kid in 1997 and see all these arguments since so my simple question is for those old enough to know is since devolution has there been any change in your life and if so has it been for the better or worse?

As it happens I just came across this article that answers all of your questions.
https://nation.cymru/opinion/no-our-sen ... e-bargain/

I wish he would al..
All we’ve heard so far is a lot of rot about people on here wishing to be ruled by others. Not one idea has been offered up.

Two questions on the ballot.

Should Wales be independent?

Should the Welsh Assembly be scrapped?

Bring it on..

And all I've heard so far is a lot self pitying, inadequate, inferiority nonsense about how poor we are without thinking about the many reasons we are so poor, when compared to England. You want evidence.

https://m.soundcloud.com/desolationradio

Listen to episodes 8, 9, 10, 11, 18, 27 and 28. Plenty of food for thought there. Not for closed minds though. You need to listen with an open mind or not at all.
As I said before....no point in arguing the point here....too many closed minds already made up without even wanting to know the other possibilities. People only too happy to let what has gone on for far too long carry on into the future. Many people seem happy for Wales to be sh1t on without wishing for a better future and can't be bothered to even contemplate how we may improve things. Wales's poverty is not inevitable. We are not inferior. We just need to take responsibility for our own situation and do what it takes to make things better. You carry on with your Senedd bashing buddy....it's a free world. I choose a different outlook.

Another honest question

I was only a kid in 1997 and see all these arguments since so my simple question is for those old enough to know is since devolution has there been any change in your life and if so has it been for the better or worse?

As it happens I just came across this article that answers all of your questions.
https://nation.cymru/opinion/no-our-sen ... e-bargain/

An article by Nation Cymru written by Ifan Morgan Jones is hardly likely to say anything different, and the heading itself is "opinion". We all have plenty of those, this is just one. I notice he mentions lots of facts and figures relating to expenditure in England compared to Wales. What he does not mention is that with just 1.5m people out of a population in excess of 3m working in Wales, many of whom are on low income and are eligible for state support, how will our welfare system be paid for, who will fund our NHS, Education etc. As someone said earlier, where are all these natural resources we can use for exports to raise a few bob. Opinions are fine, but a few facts as to how we would survive as an independent nation would help.