(OT) Suspending Parliament was unlawful.

Just been ruled which now means Mr Johnson is the first pm to lose his first 6 votes and to have been found to lie to the Queen.
I can't see how anyone can support the person who has committed treason and illegally shut down democracy so will he be be kicked out?

You are talking absolute rubbish, he has not been found guilty of lying to the queen, only that the suspension of parliament was unlawful, get your facts straight!

can someone explain to me what any of this means, as i have no idea whats going on, whats his punishment etc

Changes nothing. Remain establishment stitching up Brexit will only strengthen Boris.

Changes nothing. Remain establishment stitching up Brexit will only strengthen Boris.

Josh talking tosh again? Judges did not say he lied or misled anyone only what he did in their opinion was unconstitutional! Now that means any mp or group can legally challenge next time pm does this or on fact can challenge parliament on many things if dont like whats happening..... all this does is fck up parliament and give the impartial cretin bercow carte blanche to dictate what parliament does until 31st oct, that is unconstitutional as well

Correct Allan, Josh is wrong again.

For the record.The ruling was handed down on the issue of proroguing parliament and not anything else.This would be clear to anyone that actually heard the full judgement or indeed been following the case itself.

However.it does mean that Boris cannot now ignore the Ben Law regarding leaving the EU without a deal and that he will now have ask the EU for an extension when they meet later this month.

Just an observation and not my opinion.

For the record.The ruling was handed down on the issue of proroguing parliament and not anything else.This would be clear to anyone that actually heard the full judgement or indeed been following the case itself.

However.it does mean that Boris cannot now ignore the Ben Law regarding leaving the EU without a deal and that he will now have ask the EU for an extension when they meet later this month.

Just an observation and not my opinion.

In my opinion there will still be a twist in the tail here, just you wait!

Hate Boris

A danger to the country - lies and bullshit an enemy of the common people.


In the meantime...….

Labour doing their utmost to self harm themselves and lose any opportunity to be a party to trust.


Liberals on the rise- bend over and take it, while our poor get poorer and wild cats still jump over our walls


WTF is happening to this place!!!????

can someone explain to me what any of this means, as i have no idea whats going on, whats his punishment etc

Ignore Josh's hysterics. This is Civil Law not Criminal Law which people often get confused about. That is why the Chairman of the Supreme Court was talking about 'remedies'. What she means by that is putting right a 'tort' (a sought of Civil crime) or in other words a 'wrong'. The person 'wronged' against in this case was the Queen and by extension Parliament.

Therefore the 'remedy' is to un-prorogue allow MP's to sit again and scrutinise the Government's work.

Boris despite Josh's nonsense will not be hauled off to the Tower of London

For the record.The ruling was handed down on the issue of proroguing parliament and not anything else.This would be clear to anyone that actually heard the full judgement or indeed been following the case itself.

However.it does mean that Boris cannot now ignore the Ben Law regarding leaving the EU without a deal and that he will now have ask the EU for an extension when they meet later this month.

Just an observation and not my opinion.

In my opinion there will still be a twist in the tail here, just you wait!

Whilst boris cannot ignore leaving without a deal that does not stop him doing something else to circumvent this! time will tell what and if he does anything to grant the democratic will of the majority.

Changes nothing. Remain establishment stitching up Brexit will only strengthen Boris.

Josh talking tosh again? Judges did not say he lied or misled anyone only what he did in their opinion was unconstitutional! Now that means any mp or group can legally challenge next time pm does this or on fact can challenge parliament on many things if dont like whats happening..... all this does is fck up parliament and give the impartial cretin bercow carte blanche to dictate what parliament does until 31st oct, that is unconstitutional as well

Anyone with half a brain cell can see that his actions being unlawful means he would've decieved the Queen. I do admit that I forgot that some people need to have everything spelt out for them, sorry.

What an idiot you are!

Changes nothing. Remain establishment stitching up Brexit will only strengthen Boris.

Josh talking tosh again? Judges did not say he lied or misled anyone only what he did in their opinion was unconstitutional! Now that means any mp or group can legally challenge next time pm does this or on fact can challenge parliament on many things if dont like whats happening..... all this does is fck up parliament and give the impartial cretin bercow carte blanche to dictate what parliament does until 31st oct, that is unconstitutional as well

Anyone with half a brain cell can see that his actions being unlawful means he would've decieved the Queen. I do admit that I forgot that some people need to have everything spelt out for them, sorry.

You said he lied well he didnt did he ? He asked to suspend parliament for 5 weeks that is what's unlawful according to judges not that he lied? you are making your own assumption that he lied as nobody else as said he did! Mind you I wouldn't be surprised if you was at meeting with boris and queen so you know precisely what was said to make your comment .

can someone explain to me what any of this means, as i have no idea whats going on, whats his punishment etc

Ignore Josh's hysterics. This is Civil Law not Criminal Law which people often get confused about. That is why the Chairman of the Supreme Court was talking about 'remedies'. What she means by that is putting right a 'tort' (a sought of Civil crime) or in other words a 'wrong'. The person 'wronged' against in this case was the Queen and by extension Parliament.

Therefore the 'remedy' is to un-prorogue allow MP's to sit again and scrutinise the Government's work.

Boris despite Josh's nonsense will not be hauled off to the Tower of London

You're absolutely correct, although if Boris doesn't comply with the order they can apply to have a penal notice attached and then, subsequently, he could be committed to prison. It won't happen but, technically, it's possible.

As you say, the main thrust behind civil law is to rectify the situation in this case not punish.

One thing that others have raised is that they haven't found that Boris lied to the Queen. I haven't read the full judgment yet but I thought the action was issued on the basis that Boris wrongly advised the Queen; not lying but pretty close !!!!

The country needs a General election immediately. Will they risk it now they've turned Boris into a martyr ? Let the people judge him if they so confident he doesn't have the support. There are hundreds of MP's who absolutely lied to their constituents at the last election. They stood and were elected on manifesto's that promised to respect the result of the referendum but it was a con. Never have so many been misled by so many. Hundreds of them don't want an election. they don't want a public judgement

can someone explain to me what any of this means, as i have no idea whats going on, whats his punishment etc

Ignore Josh's hysterics. This is Civil Law not Criminal Law which people often get confused about. That is why the Chairman of the Supreme Court was talking about 'remedies'. What she means by that is putting right a 'tort' (a sought of Civil crime) or in other words a 'wrong'. The person 'wronged' against in this case was the Queen and by extension Parliament.

Therefore the 'remedy' is to un-prorogue allow MP's to sit again and scrutinise the Government's work.

Boris despite Josh's nonsense will not be hauled off to the Tower of London

You're absolutely correct, although if Boris doesn't comply with the order they can apply to have a penal notice attached and then, subsequently, he could be committed to prison. It won't happen but, technically, it's possible.

As you say, the main thrust behind civil law is to rectify the situation in this case not punish.

One thing that others have raised is that they haven't found that Boris lied to the Queen. I haven't read the full judgment yet but I thought the action was issued on the basis that Boris wrongly advised the Queen; not lying but pretty close !!!!

It's more case of judges having doubts about boris's reason for suspending parliament? The queen is most educated person in UK when it comes to parliamentary workings! So didn't deceive her thats for sure.....If as been said judges were pro remain that opens question of impartiality just like Scottish judges were remainers? What happens next time a PM suspends parliament will that be challenged by opposition or people like Miller because they don't like the timing as in this case? Sure boris is looking at ways around this and will do all he can to procrastinate and delay things

The country needs a General election immediately. Will they risk it now they've turned Boris into a martyr ? Let the people judge him if they so confident he doesn't have the support. There are hundreds of MP's who absolutely lied to their constituents at the last election. They stood and were elected on manifesto's that promised to respect the result of the referendum but it was a con. Never have so many been misled by so many. Hundreds of them don't want an election. they don't want a public judgement

I think they do,just not at Boris's time of choosing.But that may all change as he is now mandated by law to ask for an extension and also to deliver a deal as his only option.The only difference being now if Boris thinks he's found any looholes in those options parliament can move to close them.

The country needs a General election immediately. Will they risk it now they've turned Boris into a martyr ? Let the people judge him if they so confident he doesn't have the support. There are hundreds of MP's who absolutely lied to their constituents at the last election. They stood and were elected on manifesto's that promised to respect the result of the referendum but it was a con. Never have so many been misled by so many. Hundreds of them don't want an election. they don't want a public judgement

I think they do,just not at Boris's time of choosing.But that may all change as he is now mandated by law to ask for an extension and also to deliver a deal as his only option.The only difference being now if Boris thinks he's found any looholes in those options parliament can move to close them.

He needs to draw a line under this. Do what he / they need to do to get this to general election asap. If that means ditching the vanishingly small chance of getting a deal and asking for an extension then so be it. Even if we end up right back where we are now it will be in the knowledge that we've voted in the MP's knowing what they stood for. For all Labour's slight of hand they're a remain party. Ultimately its the MP's that have the say and the chicanery in Brighton yesterday isn't fooling anyone anymore.

Time to go time to go time to go time to go time to go

What an absolute mess.

Out of interest, as I think iv said before I didn't vote as I was in France for the Euros and had no strong feeling to leave or remain either way but do people not think all this entire situation has done is strengthen the leave side.

I think if there was another vote tomorow Leave would win by an even bigger margin, that is the feeling I get anyway from speaking to people in work, friends, general life etc.

Everyone's had a f**k full of it all.

What a mess this all is and whatever side of the Brexit debate you sit you will struggle to argue agsinst. The latest twist is that 11 senior judges have told Boris he was , A very naughty boy, to prologue parliament this preventing MP's from debating the important issue of Brexit. Parliament has been debating nothing else for 3 years and the place is deadlocked. It beggars belief that any common ground is possible within the current house, and the FACT is that the house is against a General Election which could deliver the answer, one way or another. The whole thing has me thinking about The Life Of Brian where Boris is not the Messiah but just a very naughty Boy, and Berkow has been turned into a latter day Herod. Perhaps he should decide Parliament debates to much and should propose a motion ending ALL debate. We would probably get more done.

What a mess this all is and whatever side of the Brexit debate you sit you will struggle to argue agsinst. The latest twist is that 11 senior judges have told Boris he was , A very naughty boy, to prologue parliament this preventing MP's from debating the important issue of Brexit. Parliament has been debating nothing else for 3 years and the place is deadlocked. It beggars belief that any common ground is possible within the current house, and the FACT is that the house is against a General Election which could deliver the answer, one way or another. The whole thing has me thinking about The Life Of Brian where Boris is not the Messiah but just a very naughty Boy, and Berkow has been turned into a latter day Herod. Perhaps he should decide Parliament debates to much and should propose a motion ending ALL debate. We would probably get more done.

Funny you mentioned bercow it's been said he now as full power to run parliament debates the way he wants to!

It's taken barely 2 months for Theresa May to lose her crown as 'Worst PM ever'

Just been ruled which now means Mr Johnson is the first pm to lose his first 6 votes and to have been found to lie to the Queen.
I can't see how anyone can support the person who has committed treason and illegally shut down democracy so will he be be kicked out?

Few points ref your post:

1.He hasn't been found to have lied to the queen.

2.He hasn't committed treason.

3. He didn't illegally shut down democracy.

Now given the above facts I'm sure you'll agree your post was about as daft as they come.

What a mess - Bring back "This Week" !!

Josh.

You’ve been found guilty of lying to the forum. Your integrity is now in question!

Out of interest, as I think iv said before I didn't vote as I was in France for the Euros and had no strong feeling to leave or remain either way but do people not think all this entire situation has done is strengthen the leave side.

I think if there was another vote tomorow Leave would win by an even bigger margin, that is the feeling I get anyway from speaking to people in work, friends, general life etc.

Everyone's had a f**k full of it all.

The problem with any so called 'second referendum' or 'people's vote' is remain wish to rig the vote. Look at Labour's policy which is to negotiate a deal with the EU and put it out to a second referendum with 'remain' on the ballot paper and then campaign against there own deal! Therefore we can assume the deal they would bring back would be totally shit and would probably mean us staying in the customs union, the single market and still come under adjudication of the ECJ. In other words the ballot would be Remain vs. Remain.

If there was a re-run of the 2016 referendum (which remain don't want) leave would win again and by a bigger margin.

If there is to be a second referendum then remain must not be on the ballot paper as they have already lost and will have to wait for the next in/out referendum in a generations time. The ballot must be only between any deal (even May's flawed one) or no deal.

Josh.

You’ve been found guilty of lying to the forum. Your integrity is now in question!