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Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into NW

Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:16 am

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ACCORDING to Nathan Blake, Neil Warnock has set Cardiff City back four years with his style of football.

Maybe if Nathan had been a manager for as long as Neil, I’d listen to his opinions. But Nathan isn’t a manager and never has been a manager.

He knows nothing about how you manage a football club. When you look at Neil’s record, he certainly does.

He got Cardiff promoted from the Championship on one of the lowest budgets in the entire division. He then spent less on transfers than anybody else in the Premier League and very nearly stayed up.

Fulham spent £130m, tried to play good football and got miserably relegated. That shows you the value of having a successful manager who knows how to maximise the players he’s got.

People in this country have been brainwashed to believe that football should only be played one way. Not only is that impossible, it would be incredibly boring.

Sam Allardyce
PA Images
There’s too much white noise – papers, television, social media – trying to impose on managers a single style of playing.

It’s become a big problem for managers because they fear that if they don’t play that way then they won’t get a job.

But if your players aren’t capable, you’re in trouble. You will see many teams this year concede a huge amount of goals because they lack the

capacity to play out from the back but try to do it anyway. Opponents will simply pinch the ball and shoot.

If you throw a ball out to the full-back and it goes under his foot for a throw-in, then you throw the ball out to him again and the same thing happens, do you continue to flog the same dead horse? Some do, but not me.

I’m the opposite to most managers. I’m pragmatic. I’m not hell-bent on a system of play or a single philosophy.

Pep is like that. Brendan Rodgers is like that. They are two fantastic managers and that’s their choice. It’s their responsibility to sign players who can do it. But if you’re pragmatic, you find a system of play that suits the team.

Sometimes, that does mean going direct. But when I was at Sunderland, Jermain Defoe played up front on his own.

Did we play long ball? Did we heck. He was 5ft 9ins, so we obviously couldn’t play off him. It would have been

ridiculous. We created a system that got balls into the box, he scored a lot of goals and we stayed up comfortably.

For me, it’s not about playing styles. It’s about training your players to be capable of change. So when you do need to alter something, it isn’t disruptive.

My teams can play 3-5-2, 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3. We’ve got a Plan B, a Plan C. They can go long or play short. And they understand what’s required to win a football match based on who you’re playing against.

Some managers these days say ‘I worry about us, not the opposition’. It’s fine if you’re Manchester City or Liverpool.

But if the opposition is better than you – as they often were in my time – it’s just irresponsible.

You have to mix things up. You have to create doubt. You have to get the opposition coach thinking ‘Hang on, why’s he suddenly playing there?’ If you stick to one idea, you’re predictable.

During my time at Crystal Palace, we beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge the year they won the title. We beat Liverpool 2-1 at Anfield, which is still their last home defeat. We beat Arsenal 4-0 at home.

It’s easy to criticise managers, but there’s much greater depth and complexity to the job than people realise.

It’s also unrealistic to expect great football straightaway. As you evolve, you naturally sign players who are better and more capable. Your football changes and improves.

Like myself, Neil will always take stick. But we’ve both got records that suggest we know what we’re doing. And we’ve both been around too long to care.

Re: Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into

Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:48 am

Here here

Re: Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into

Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:56 am

Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.

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Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:43 am

Football is going to boring when these 'dinosaurs' are gone from the game!

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Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:51 am

jimmy_rat wrote:Football is going to boring when these 'dinosaurs' are gone from the game!



there will be new dinosaurs because quite simply the game is as much about stopping better opponents and finding a way as it is about tipy tappy play teams off the park football ..
its ironic the dinosaur bit was started by top managers invariably after having lost to a lesser team not prepared to play into their hands.. but picked up and used by fans of the { dinosaur } lesser clubs.
yep, when teams stop trying to find other methods of winning other than to out pass superior quality opponents it will be a bore.

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Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:59 am

deadmouse wrote:
jimmy_rat wrote:Football is going to boring when these 'dinosaurs' are gone from the game!



there will be new dinosaurs because quite simply the game is as much about stopping better opponents and finding a way as it is about tipy tappy play teams off the park football ..
its ironic the dinosaur bit was started by top managers invariably after having lost to a lesser team not prepared to play into their hands.. but picked up and used by fans of the { dinosaur } lesser clubs.
yep, when teams stop trying to find other methods of winning other than to out pass superior quality opponents it will be a bore.



It will be if cant match them skill wise you simply stop them with 10 men behind ball and let them play inside own half where cant hurt you! Ncastle did great job doing this against spurs who had 77% of game but lost ... Fulham same 70%+ lost and both at home! NW doesn't do short passing but what he does do is play effectively and in opposition half and pen area which is where need to be to score? Shame strikers never in right place at right time...: :laughing6:

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Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:41 am

Would anyone want big Sam here if he’s still available at the end of the season ?

I read somewhere a little while ago that he was the first manager in the UK to seriously start using the opta stats system to sus out how the opposition played, and then Wenger & Fergusson started using it and got all the credit for it, also he is a much better tactician than people give him credit for, which seems about right based on his above comments.

His problem seems to be he is a target for the press, hence a lot of negativity and controversy (unfounded btw) about him.

As he says his record speaks for itself.

So would as I first said, would our fans want or accept him at our club ?

Re: Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into

Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:10 am

Supporters are entitled to want a positive, attacking brand of football.

But let's be honest - if we can string some wins together and get promoted to the Premier League then the doubters will be very quiet and the disappointments of Reading and Luton in the cup will be long forgotten.

Re: Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into

Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:00 pm

Not necessarily.. you underestimate the sheer joy and excitement that free flowing attacking football brings to the fans.,
Lumping it doesn’t have the same effect.

Re: Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into

Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:06 pm

I rarely read Bales columns, usually just trying to grab headlines and attention. He changes his opinion depending on the weather.

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Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:20 pm

That's a very good read from Big Sam.

He's similar to Warnock, in they they're both not generally liked but have been successful in what they do.

If he wasn't so expensive, I'd want him at City at some point.

The poster above is correct - Allardyce was the first UK manager to use the Opta system, but the media try and hide that fact.

A very good read from someone who knows what they're talking about.

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Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:59 pm

LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.


Long balls and low possession is all good when you are winning games. Concerns will be raised though when you are not winning games and are consistently having low possession as well as shipping 3 goals a game.

Hopefully we can put a run together now and certain stats will simply be ignored. But until results and performances improve people will question the tactics being used. That happens at every club when they are not performing well, it is nothing personal against Warnock.

Re: Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:54 pm

LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.

You do realise that doesn't necessarily mean upwards :roll:

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Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:08 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:That's a very good read from Big Sam.

He's similar to Warnock, in they they're both not generally liked but have been successful in what they do.

If he wasn't so expensive, I'd want him at City at some point.

The poster above is correct - Allardyce was the first UK manager to use the Opta system, but the media try and hide that fact.

A very good read from someone who knows what they're talking about.


I’d jump at the chance of Allardyce coming here if his wage demands were reasonable.
He’s a little like Warnock in some ways both mostly I think he’s completely different. A lot more modern in his football ways IMO.

He’s certainly more direct than a lot of managers but he plays it on the deck more and definitely has a more possession based game than Neil.

He was way ahead of his time with the opta stats and also the sports science thing years back. Researches meticulously and has a Plan A and Plan B.

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Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:19 pm

Fusilier52 wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.

You do realise that doesn't necessarily mean upwards :roll:


How many times has Warnock got teams relegated from this league then?

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Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:23 pm

Escott1927 wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.


Long balls and low possession is all good when you are winning games. Concerns will be raised though when you are not winning games and are consistently having low possession as well as shipping 3 goals a game.

Hopefully we can put a run together now and certain stats will simply be ignored. But until results and performances improve people will question the tactics being used. That happens at every club when they are not performing well, it is nothing personal against Warnock.


I get the whole being annoyed when we’re losing - I don’t get the slating of his style of play when we’re losing when nobody was crying out for a gaffer who played on the deck when we were getting promoted. Either you want a better style of play or you don’t - can’t complain about it only when things are going bad.

Re: Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into

Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:11 am

LiamD1991 wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.


Long balls and low possession is all good when you are winning games. Concerns will be raised though when you are not winning games and are consistently having low possession as well as shipping 3 goals a game.

Hopefully we can put a run together now and certain stats will simply be ignored. But until results and performances improve people will question the tactics being used. That happens at every club when they are not performing well, it is nothing personal against Warnock.


I get the whole being annoyed when we’re losing - I don’t get the slating of his style of play when we’re losing when nobody was crying out for a gaffer who played on the deck when we were getting promoted. Either you want a better style of play or you don’t - can’t complain about it only when things are going bad.

Allardyce would say that as he and Warnock are clones of each other. two managers that haven't moved with the times, both Championship survivers, both Premiership losers The game has moved on considerably and left them behind, their idea of football is laughable..

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Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:15 am

People moaning about the style of play and it not being attacking and exciting. Complain about the possession stats, our stats show we create the 2nd most chances in the league
8.5 chances a game but we also concede 5.5 chances against. If we were more clinical we would be flying and scoring your chances take alot of pressure off our defence
The stat off twitter. This person is employed by Peterborough so he must know his stuff

https://twitter.com/Blades_analytic/sta ... 23968?s=19

Worrying part is tho We r very wasteful as we are Very creative but only averaging 1.8 goals a game going on stats,

https://twitter.com/Blades_analytic/sta ... 57729?s=19

Thought these stats would be useful as everybody is moaning bout possession stats and not being attacking. Well these stats put the boring and not attacking argument to bed. I agree tho possession is poor we should be keeping it more surely if we had the ball more we would create more chances.
@Blades_analytic is who I follow puts some good stuff up if your interested

:bluescarf: :ayatollah:

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Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:23 am

Jackflash wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.


Long balls and low possession is all good when you are winning games. Concerns will be raised though when you are not winning games and are consistently having low possession as well as shipping 3 goals a game.

Hopefully we can put a run together now and certain stats will simply be ignored. But until results and performances improve people will question the tactics being used. That happens at every club when they are not performing well, it is nothing personal against Warnock.


I get the whole being annoyed when we’re losing - I don’t get the slating of his style of play when we’re losing when nobody was crying out for a gaffer who played on the deck when we were getting promoted. Either you want a better style of play or you don’t - can’t complain about it only when things are going bad.

Allardyce would say that as he and Warnock are clones of each other. two managers that haven't moved with the times, both Championship survivers, both Premiership losers The game has moved on considerably and left them behind, their idea of football is laughable..



So you think 92 football managers should play game same way and not have their own ideas as to how team should play? :laughing6:

Re: Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into

Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:06 pm

Jackflash wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.


Long balls and low possession is all good when you are winning games. Concerns will be raised though when you are not winning games and are consistently having low possession as well as shipping 3 goals a game.

Hopefully we can put a run together now and certain stats will simply be ignored. But until results and performances improve people will question the tactics being used. That happens at every club when they are not performing well, it is nothing personal against Warnock.


I get the whole being annoyed when we’re losing - I don’t get the slating of his style of play when we’re losing when nobody was crying out for a gaffer who played on the deck when we were getting promoted. Either you want a better style of play or you don’t - can’t complain about it only when things are going bad.

Allardyce would say that as he and Warnock are clones of each other. two managers that haven't moved with the times, both Championship survivers, both Premiership losers The game has moved on considerably and left them behind, their idea of football is laughable..


I wouldn't call Allardyce a premiership loser.

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Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:33 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Jackflash wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.


Long balls and low possession is all good when you are winning games. Concerns will be raised though when you are not winning games and are consistently having low possession as well as shipping 3 goals a game.

Hopefully we can put a run together now and certain stats will simply be ignored. But until results and performances improve people will question the tactics being used. That happens at every club when they are not performing well, it is nothing personal against Warnock.


I get the whole being annoyed when we’re losing - I don’t get the slating of his style of play when we’re losing when nobody was crying out for a gaffer who played on the deck when we were getting promoted. Either you want a better style of play or you don’t - can’t complain about it only when things are going bad.

Allardyce would say that as he and Warnock are clones of each other. two managers that haven't moved with the times, both Championship survivers, both Premiership losers The game has moved on considerably and left them behind, their idea of football is laughable..



So you think 92 football managers should play game same way and not have their own ideas as to how team should play? :laughing6:

92 football managers, some very young, some very old. Of course have their own ideas, but the old ones have old ideas as Warnock proves,you cant teach an old dog new tricks, this guy is holding you back, youth in management is now the thing, fresh ideas.I predict you'll get nowhere with Warnock and he'll be gone before the end of the season to avoid relegation.

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Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:09 pm

Jackflash wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Jackflash wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.


Long balls and low possession is all good when you are winning games. Concerns will be raised though when you are not winning games and are consistently having low possession as well as shipping 3 goals a game.

Hopefully we can put a run together now and certain stats will simply be ignored. But until results and performances improve people will question the tactics being used. That happens at every club when they are not performing well, it is nothing personal against Warnock.


I get the whole being annoyed when we’re losing - I don’t get the slating of his style of play when we’re losing when nobody was crying out for a gaffer who played on the deck when we were getting promoted. Either you want a better style of play or you don’t - can’t complain about it only when things are going bad.

Allardyce would say that as he and Warnock are clones of each other. two managers that haven't moved with the times, both Championship survivers, both Premiership losers The game has moved on considerably and left them behind, their idea of football is laughable..



So you think 92 football managers should play game same way and not have their own ideas as to how team should play? :laughing6:

92 football managers, some very young, some very old. Of course have their own ideas, but the old ones have old ideas as Warnock proves,you cant teach an old dog new tricks, this guy is holding you back, youth in management is now the thing, fresh ideas.I predict you'll get nowhere with Warnock and he'll be gone before the end of the season to avoid relegation.



Why ?

Why the hell does it matter to you ?

Why are you on here just trying to wind people up ? Your a Swansea fan not a City fan ?
Why are you not out with your family, kids, wife, partner who ever ?
Why are you wasting your time trying to wind people up waiting for responses ? Eventually you will get either banned or barred from the very people you want the response from.
If your sole purpose is to simply come on here and do the above then what a sad life you must lead ? And if you think ‘well in the mean time I have wound them up’ then sorry but that is a pure waste of time and energy on your part and you need to get out more, enjoy the weather, enjoy our beautiful country and make some friends.

Why will I not reply should you do, because I just had 5 minutes free whilst reading this and now I’m back to enjoying the sun, wife, ccfc etc you know - the stuff that should matter !

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Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:20 pm

Bare with me!

I never wanted Neil to stay on after he kept us up, I like him a lot, will continue to support him whilst he is in charge, as I have done with all our managers good and bad, just don't like his "brand" or 'philosophy' for the football we pay hard earned cash to watch.

I preferred Dave Jones style of football and the players he brought in to suit that style, even getting Ramsey back on loan. None of those players that used to get me really excited would have been brought in by Neil. Look at the players we have, and the signings he has made, not one of them fill me with excitement or anticipation, he spent big money on Bobby Reid, didn't play him, then waited to be relegated to decide to build his team around him', Reid had seen enough, he knew Warnocks style of football didn't suit him, and must have been bemused when learning of his managers pre season pledge. And then , as in the previous couple of windows, Neil says that he is finding it tough to land his targets, is this down to these players not wanting to come here because of the way he sets us up? Or, because they know it will be a period of transition as he announced pre-season that he leaves at the end of the season? This was a big mistake, many times history shows this can have a negative effect, on transfer targets and the vibe at the training ground.

We are all in dreamland being armchair managers, we would do things this way and that etc! But this forum is about opinion and debate, I would be dead against Allardyce and that type of manager, Malky wasn't much different. Yes Neil got us to the EPL, but I believe a few managers could have done that with the squad and resources he had that season, but playing with more fluidity and attack mindset, I don't mean tippy happy either. And I believe many mangers would have kept us in the EPL with the same resources playing this way, because attacking players would want to come to such a team. Overall we were poor in the EPL. What a great opportunity to build a foundation for our club by staying there, fanbase, academy, commercial sector, finances and playing squad. We could have been a Bournemouth and became a regular Premier League outfit.

I want to see defenders with pace who are confident on the ball picking passes, a blend of midfielders offering the manager a variety of ball winners, box to box, attacking midfielders who are good passers and like to shoot! And a frontline with pace, great link up play, who like to take on a defender. This is not easy to achieve in this day or age, and it could be seen as fantasy football, but aim high and over a few years you can build toward this. This current squad has been Neils "few years" and its just not to my liking. Really low possession stats and shots on target, midfielders watching the ball fly over their head or chasing the opposition, and , Neils thing is to play down the flanks and get the ball in the box, well Murphy and Hoilett just don't do enough of that let alone take players on and beating them.

But I will continue to support the boys and make lots of noise, even if I don't like what I am watching

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Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:09 pm

Welsh Exile wrote:
Jackflash wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Jackflash wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.


Long balls and low possession is all good when you are winning games. Concerns will be raised though when you are not winning games and are consistently having low possession as well as shipping 3 goals a game.

Hopefully we can put a run together now and certain stats will simply be ignored. But until results and performances improve people will question the tactics being used. That happens at every club when they are not performing well, it is nothing personal against Warnock.


I get the whole being annoyed when we’re losing - I don’t get the slating of his style of play when we’re losing when nobody was crying out for a gaffer who played on the deck when we were getting promoted. Either you want a better style of play or you don’t - can’t complain about it only when things are going bad.

Allardyce would say that as he and Warnock are clones of each other. two managers that haven't moved with the times, both Championship survivers, both Premiership losers The game has moved on considerably and left them behind, their idea of football is laughable..



So you think 92 football managers should play game same way and not have their own ideas as to how team should play? :laughing6:

92 football managers, some very young, some very old. Of course have their own ideas, but the old ones have old ideas as Warnock proves,you cant teach an old dog new tricks, this guy is holding you back, youth in management is now the thing, fresh ideas.I predict you'll get nowhere with Warnock and he'll be gone before the end of the season to avoid relegation.



Why ?

Why the hell does it matter to you ?

Why are you on here just trying to wind people up ? Your a Swansea fan not a City fan ?
Why are you not out with your family, kids, wife, partner who ever ?
Why are you wasting your time trying to wind people up waiting for responses ? Eventually you will get either banned or barred from the very people you want the response from.
If your sole purpose is to simply come on here and do the above then what a sad life you must lead ? And if you think ‘well in the mean time I have wound them up’ then sorry but that is a pure waste of time and energy on your part and you need to get out more, enjoy the weather, enjoy our beautiful country and make some friends.

Why will I not reply should you do, because I just had 5 minutes free whilst reading this and now I’m back to enjoying the sun, wife, ccfc etc you know - the stuff that should matter !

I'm just expressing an honest opinion.Nothing would please me more than to see the three S/Wales clubs in the Premiership, but you know in your heart of hearts thats never going to happen with Warnock at the helm.
And I'm Welsh.

Re: Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into

Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:35 pm

Jackflash wrote:
Welsh Exile wrote:
Jackflash wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Jackflash wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.


Long balls and low possession is all good when you are winning games. Concerns will be raised though when you are not winning games and are consistently having low possession as well as shipping 3 goals a game.

Hopefully we can put a run together now and certain stats will simply be ignored. But until results and performances improve people will question the tactics being used. That happens at every club when they are not performing well, it is nothing personal against Warnock.


I get the whole being annoyed when we’re losing - I don’t get the slating of his style of play when we’re losing when nobody was crying out for a gaffer who played on the deck when we were getting promoted. Either you want a better style of play or you don’t - can’t complain about it only when things are going bad.

Allardyce would say that as he and Warnock are clones of each other. two managers that haven't moved with the times, both Championship survivers, both Premiership losers The game has moved on considerably and left them behind, their idea of football is laughable..



So you think 92 football managers should play game same way and not have their own ideas as to how team should play? :laughing6:

92 football managers, some very young, some very old. Of course have their own ideas, but the old ones have old ideas as Warnock proves,you cant teach an old dog new tricks, this guy is holding you back, youth in management is now the thing, fresh ideas.I predict you'll get nowhere with Warnock and he'll be gone before the end of the season to avoid relegation.



Why ?

Why the hell does it matter to you ?

Why are you on here just trying to wind people up ? Your a Swansea fan not a City fan ?
Why are you not out with your family, kids, wife, partner who ever ?
Why are you wasting your time trying to wind people up waiting for responses ? Eventually you will get either banned or barred from the very people you want the response from.
If your sole purpose is to simply come on here and do the above then what a sad life you must lead ? And if you think ‘well in the mean time I have wound them up’ then sorry but that is a pure waste of time and energy on your part and you need to get out more, enjoy the weather, enjoy our beautiful country and make some friends.

Why will I not reply should you do, because I just had 5 minutes free whilst reading this and now I’m back to enjoying the sun, wife, ccfc etc you know - the stuff that should matter !

I'm just expressing an honest opinion.Nothing would please me more than to see the three S/Wales clubs in the Premiership, but you know in your heart of hearts thats never going to happen with Warnock at the helm.
And I'm Welsh.




Wont we? Who was manager when we got promoted previous season? :laughing6:

Re: Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into

Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:08 pm

Jackflash wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Jackflash wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.


Long balls and low possession is all good when you are winning games. Concerns will be raised though when you are not winning games and are consistently having low possession as well as shipping 3 goals a game.

Hopefully we can put a run together now and certain stats will simply be ignored. But until results and performances improve people will question the tactics being used. That happens at every club when they are not performing well, it is nothing personal against Warnock.


I get the whole being annoyed when we’re losing - I don’t get the slating of his style of play when we’re losing when nobody was crying out for a gaffer who played on the deck when we were getting promoted. Either you want a better style of play or you don’t - can’t complain about it only when things are going bad.

Allardyce would say that as he and Warnock are clones of each other. two managers that haven't moved with the times, both Championship survivers, both Premiership losers The game has moved on considerably and left them behind, their idea of football is laughable..



So you think 92 football managers should play game same way and not have their own ideas as to how team should play? :laughing6:

92 football managers, some very young, some very old. Of course have their own ideas, but the old ones have old ideas as Warnock proves,you cant teach an old dog new tricks, this guy is holding you back, youth in management is now the thing, fresh ideas.I predict you'll get nowhere with Warnock and he'll be gone before the end of the season to avoid relegation.


I’m sure you were probably one of the ones predicting us to finish nowhere 2 years ago when we went up. Not even biting on the relegation shout - not even yourself would honestly believe that we will go down

Re: Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into

Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:16 am

:mrgreen:
pembroke allan wrote:
Jackflash wrote:
Welsh Exile wrote:
Jackflash wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Jackflash wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.


Long balls and low possession is all good when you are winning games. Concerns will be raised though when you are not winning games and are consistently having low possession as well as shipping 3 goals a game.

Hopefully we can put a run together now and certain stats will simply be ignored. But until results and performances improve people will question the tactics being used. That happens at every club when they are not performing well, it is nothing personal against Warnock.


I get the whole being annoyed when we’re losing - I don’t get the slating of his style of play when we’re losing when nobody was crying out for a gaffer who played on the deck when we were getting promoted. Either you want a better style of play or you don’t - can’t complain about it only when things are going bad.

Allardyce would say that as he and Warnock are clones of each other. two managers that haven't moved with the times, both Championship survivers, both Premiership losers The game has moved on considerably and left them behind, their idea of football is laughable..



So you think 92 football managers should play game same way and not have their own ideas as to how team should play? :laughing6:

92 football managers, some very young, some very old. Of course have their own ideas, but the old ones have old ideas as Warnock proves,you cant teach an old dog new tricks, this guy is holding you back, youth in management is now the thing, fresh ideas.I predict you'll get nowhere with Warnock and he'll be gone before the end of the season to avoid relegation.



Why ?

Why the hell does it matter to you ?

Why are you on here just trying to wind people up ? Your a Swansea fan not a City fan ?
Why are you not out with your family, kids, wife, partner who ever ?
Why are you wasting your time trying to wind people up waiting for responses ? Eventually you will get either banned or barred from the very people you want the response from.
If your sole purpose is to simply come on here and do the above then what a sad life you must lead ? And if you think ‘well in the mean time I have wound them up’ then sorry but that is a pure waste of time and energy on your part and you need to get out more, enjoy the weather, enjoy our beautiful country and make some friends.

Why will I not reply should you do, because I just had 5 minutes free whilst reading this and now I’m back to enjoying the sun, wife, ccfc etc you know - the stuff that should matter !

I'm just expressing an honest opinion.Nothing would please me more than to see the three S/Wales clubs in the Premiership, but you know in your heart of hearts thats never going to happen with Warnock at the helm.
And I'm Welsh.




Wont we? Who was manager when we got promoted previous season? :laughing6:

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: And who was manager when you got relegated AGAIN,without getting off the bottom of the division, these are facts not fairy tales. you got promoted and you were the whipping boys.

Re: Allardyce column: Brainwashed critics shouldn’t lay into

Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:13 am

Jackflash wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Jackflash wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:
Escott1927 wrote:
LiamD1991 wrote:Some sense finally - anyone nailing Warnock for his poor football should read this. I agree it’s not the prettiest but it’s worked for years and is the best chance we have of getting out this league.


Long balls and low possession is all good when you are winning games. Concerns will be raised though when you are not winning games and are consistently having low possession as well as shipping 3 goals a game.

Hopefully we can put a run together now and certain stats will simply be ignored. But until results and performances improve people will question the tactics being used. That happens at every club when they are not performing well, it is nothing personal against Warnock.


I get the whole being annoyed when we’re losing - I don’t get the slating of his style of play when we’re losing when nobody was crying out for a gaffer who played on the deck when we were getting promoted. Either you want a better style of play or you don’t - can’t complain about it only when things are going bad.

Allardyce would say that as he and Warnock are clones of each other. two managers that haven't moved with the times, both Championship survivers, both Premiership losers The game has moved on considerably and left them behind, their idea of football is laughable..



So you think 92 football managers should play game same way and not have their own ideas as to how team should play? :laughing6:

92 football managers, some very young, some very old. Of course have their own ideas, but the old ones have old ideas as Warnock proves,you cant teach an old dog new tricks, this guy is holding you back, youth in management is now the thing, fresh ideas.I predict you'll get nowhere with Warnock and he'll be gone before the end of the season to avoid relegation.


Youth. All play the same way. Tippy tappy shit. Scott Parker, Mark Hudson... Remind me how they did Vs the dinosaur?!

Football needs variety. You'd be stupid to suggest otherwise.