Stronger squad than the season we went up

Goalkeepers - Etheridge, Smithies, Day

Defenders - Morrison, Flint, Bamba, Bennett, Peltier, Nelson, Connolly, Richards, Coxe

Midfielders - Pack, Ralls, Vaulks, Bacuna, Paterson, Tomlin, Damour

Wingers - Murphy, Mendez-Laing, Hoilett, Whyte

Strikers - Glatzel, Vassell, Ward, Bogle, Madine

Midfield worries me a little. Tomlin only real out and out play maker. But all in all id agree.

Now make a better starting 11 out of it compared to when we went up

And then compare it to the starting 11 we had last season

Now make a better starting 11 out of it compared to when we went up

And then compare it to the starting 11 we had last season

It doesnt matter about last season we were shit and got relegated its about the league we are in now and this squad with warnock is good enough to challenge

Looks like the plan is, is to ruff teams up.
No fancy football ruff them up.
Still shocking to sell/loan Reid to Fulham of all teams.

Midfield worries me a little. Tomlin only real out and out play maker. But all in all id agree.

Ralls is decent at this level and with pack sitting might release him more

Etheridge - Etheridge
Manga - Peltier
Bamba - Flint
Morrison - Morrison
Bennett - Bennett

Gunnar - Bacuna
Ralls - Ralls
Grujic - Pack

Hoilett - Hoilett
Zohore - Madine
Mendez - Mendez

I would pick the first team every time

Now make a better starting 11 out of it compared to when we went up

And then compare it to the starting 11 we had last season

It doesnt matter about last season we were shit and got relegated its about the league we are in now and this squad with warnock is good enough to challenge

Your crazy if you think that squad will compete with Fulham , leeds and West brom . We will be nowhere near the automatic places

Etheridge - Etheridge
Manga - Peltier
Bamba - Flint
Morrison - Morrison
Bennett - Bennett

Gunnar - Bacuna
Ralls - Ralls
Grujic - Pack

Hoilett - Hoilett
Zohore - Madine
Mendez - Mendez

I would pick the first team every time

We’ve still got Bamba, Glatzel will start over Madine so he could well be better than Zohore. And also we’ve got Murphy instead of Hoilett. Grujic only played 13 games for us also and our midfield never really consisted of the 3 you’ve mentioned at the same time. So we’ve still got Ralls, Pack has replaced Gunnars and then we’ll orobanly have Paterson in the 10 role. So it’s similar really, all hinges on how good Glatzel is if it’s better or not.

Now make a better starting 11 out of it compared to when we went up

And then compare it to the starting 11 we had last season

It doesnt matter about last season we were shit and got relegated its about the league we are in now and this squad with warnock is good enough to challenge

Your crazy if you think that squad will compete with Fulham , leeds and West brom . We will be nowhere near the automatic places

Same fulham who spent 100 million and we finished above them and got a inexperienced manager hmmmm

It’s totally irrelevant how our squad now compares with 2 years ago. What matters is how it compares to the other teams now. At one point it looked like if we could add 3 or 4 quality players we’d have a great chance.
We haven’t and actually let a few good players go. We are way behind the top teams in this league and sadly lacking serious pace and quality.

It’s totally irrelevant how our squad now compares with 2 years ago. What matters is how it compares to the other teams now. At one point it looked like if we could add 3 or 4 quality players we’d have a great chance.
We haven’t and actually let a few good players go. We are way behind the top teams in this league and sadly lacking serious pace and quality.

Weve added two strikers a winger and defensive midfielder so we have added

Central defence too slow. No attacking full back. No cover for full backs (Richards is a sick note).
No creativity in midfield. Not enough goals in central midfield. No real pace in central midfield.
No proven goal scorer at this level. Jury’s our on Glatzel and Vassell.
Our wingers are as good as any in the league though. Well they can be if Murphy puts in a shift.
Unlucky with injury to the best keeper in the league.

Seeing other teams business and opening day results, city will IMO be 10-12th.

Serious concerns over letting non football people have so much say over the transfers.

I agree that, overall, we have a better squad at the start of this season. It’s more of a Warnock squad too.

Way way too much whinging from a bunch of drama queens who seem to think they support the club

We had some fans saying "we'd be lucky to stay up" last time we was in this league. Finished 2nd. Just bare that in mind

just a question, if this is squad is stronger, does that mean if we dont win promotion, this is considered a failure ?

Now make a better starting 11 out of it compared to when we went up

And then compare it to the starting 11 we had last season

It doesnt matter about last season we were shit and got relegated its about the league we are in now and this squad with warnock is good enough to challenge

Your crazy if you think that squad will compete with Fulham , leeds and West brom . We will be nowhere near the automatic places

Same fulham who spent 100 million and we finished above them and got a inexperienced manager hmmmm

Same fulham who have now got arguably our best player from last season and out best forward from this season. Plus added knockaert from Brighton who is very good.

They have a front three of
Knockaert, mitrovic and Reid

A midfield of Arter, Cairney and McDonald

Not one of our midfield or forwards would get in there first 11

Now make a better starting 11 out of it compared to when we went up

And then compare it to the starting 11 we had last season

It doesnt matter about last season we were shit and got relegated its about the league we are in now and this squad with warnock is good enough to challenge

Your crazy if you think that squad will compete with Fulham , leeds and West brom . We will be nowhere near the automatic places

Same fulham who spent 100 million and we finished above them and got a inexperienced manager hmmmm

That Fulham side is by far the best in the league.

We will be lucky to scrape into the playoffs.

We’ve had a pathetic transfer window not one area of our team has been improved

Lol - the Fulham team have quickly turned into Barcelona! Talk about over reaction on here.
Ps They lost against Barnsley on Saturday.

Lol - the Fulham team have quickly turned into Barcelona! Talk about over reaction on here.
Ps They lost against Barnsley on Saturday.

Will be an interesting game against them at the end of August, we now definately owe them one.

I would say the squad is stronger but the first 11 weaker.

My biggest concern is Flint and Morrison together.

Now make a better starting 11 out of it compared to when we went up

And then compare it to the starting 11 we had last season

It doesnt matter about last season we were shit and got relegated its about the league we are in now and this squad with warnock is good enough to challenge

Your crazy if you think that squad will compete with Fulham , leeds and West brom . We will be nowhere near the automatic places

Same fulham who spent 100 million and we finished above them and got a inexperienced manager hmmmm

Same fulham who have now got arguably our best player from last season and out best forward from this season. Plus added knockaert from Brighton who is very good.

They have a front three of
Knockaert, mitrovic and Reid

A midfield of Arter, Cairney and McDonald

Not one of our midfield or forwards would get in there first 11

Fulham lost to Barnsley on saturday a good group of players dont make a team the manager does , in warnock we trust

Etheridge - Etheridge
Manga - Peltier
Bamba - Flint
Morrison - Morrison
Bennett - Bennett

Gunnar - Bacuna
Ralls - Ralls
Grujic - Pack

Hoilett - Hoilett
Zohore - Madine
Mendez - Mendez

I would pick the first team every time

Manga - Peltier or Nelson
Bamba - Flint or Bamba or Coxe
Morrison - Morrison
Bennett - Bennett - or Nelson

Gunnar - Bacuna Probably Pack or Vaulks
Ralls - Ralls
Grujic - Pack - Patterson Vaulks Tomlin

Hoilett - Hoilett - Whyte or Murphy
Zohore - Madine - Glatzel - Bogle - Madine
Mendez - Mendez - ward


Much more strength in depth in this squad, much bigger and stronger, more leaders, and a better starting eleven, we could have done with more but this is a better more experienced sqaud than the last one that got promoted!

I would say the squad is stronger but the first 11 weaker.

My biggest concern is Flint and Morrison together.

Worries me slightly, especially after a speedy Windass showed how to play against them.


I think that was one of the problems Warnock was referring too, as well as how ineffective Reid was, hence Reid gone Pack in, we have a new central partnership and keeper, Warnock will protect them until they settle in and all start to work as an effective back four/five if you count the protection and keeper.

Goalkeepers - Etheridge, Smithies, Day

Defenders - Morrison, Flint, Bamba, Bennett, Peltier, Nelson, Connolly, Richards, Coxe

Midfielders - Pack, Ralls, Vaulks, Bacuna, Paterson, Tomlin, Damour

Wingers - Murphy, Mendez-Laing, Hoilett, Whyte

Strikers - Glatzel, Vassell, Ward, Bogle, Madine

Surely though Wez, the point is that we have had a season in the Premiership with all the riches that it brings and yet the best we can say is that we have a squad two years down the line that is JUST as good as the one that surprisingly got us promoted. Warnock performed miracles in getting us promoted and now he's being asked to do it again. He shouldn't be in that position again. For me, the club have shown lack of ambition this time around, last time it would have been a gamble to throw money at Warnock, but this time, its far less so, as he's proven to the club, that he's a winner. It's disappointing from the club.

I would say the squad is stronger but the first 11 weaker.

My biggest concern is Flint and Morrison together.

Worries me slightly, especially after a speedy Windass showed how to play against them.


I think that was one of the problems Warnock was referring too, as well as how ineffective Reid was, hence Reid gone Pack in, we have a new central partnership and keeper, Warnock will protect them until they settle in and all start to work as an effective back four/five if you count the protection and keeper.

Nelson might be the answer not sure but Warnock won't drop Morrison or Flint.

Sadly when things don't go right Warnock will get more and more defensive. As you said Pack will probably replace Reid.

It's a shame, I really thought we could take it to clubs this season. Thought the end of last season Reid and Zohore showed some great play and had the signs of an unstoppable partnership. Looks like it's back to long throws and corners.

I would say the squad is stronger but the first 11 weaker.

My biggest concern is Flint and Morrison together.

Worries me slightly, especially after a speedy Windass showed how to play against them.


I think that was one of the problems Warnock was referring too, as well as how ineffective Reid was, hence Reid gone Pack in, we have a new central partnership and keeper, Warnock will protect them until they settle in and all start to work as an effective back four/five if you count the protection and keeper.

Nelson might be the answer not sure but Warnock won't drop Morrison or Flint.

Sadly when things don't go right Warnock will get more and more defensive. As you said Pack will probably replace Reid.

It's a shame, I really thought we could take it to clubs this season. Thought the end of last season Reid and Zohore showed some great play and had the signs of an unstoppable partnership. Looks like it's back to long throws and corners.

Yes, I think so, I was surprised he played Reid last week, it certainly didn't work, back to basics, clean sheets and everyone up for corners and long throws, and break quickly with the wingers and Glatzel or Vassell, as it looks like we have pace up front!

Goalkeepers - Etheridge, Smithies, Day

Defenders - Morrison, Flint, Bamba, Bennett, Peltier, Nelson, Connolly, Richards, Coxe

Midfielders - Pack, Ralls, Vaulks, Bacuna, Paterson, Tomlin, Damour

Wingers - Murphy, Mendez-Laing, Hoilett, Whyte

Strikers - Glatzel, Vassell, Ward, Bogle, Madine

Surely though Wez, the point is that we have had a season in the Premiership with all the riches that it brings and yet the best we can say is that we have a squad two years down the line that is JUST as good as the one that surprisingly got us promoted. Warnock performed miracles in getting us promoted and now he's being asked to do it again. He shouldn't be in that position again. For me, the club have shown lack of ambition this time around, last time it would have been a gamble to throw money at Warnock, but this time, its far less so, as he's proven to the club, that he's a winner. It's disappointing from the club.

Pretty much as I see it. Warnock performed a miracle last time and we should have built a better and more sustainable squad. We couldn't turn down the offer for Zamore, it was probably more than his worth. But I just don't get the benefits to us in loaning out Reid. Far enough sell him for the right value but I don't see the upside for us in loaning him. Unless we've got a substantial stand alone loan fee which doesn't come off his ultimate transfer fee.

Etheridge - Etheridge
Manga - Peltier
Bamba - Flint
Morrison - Morrison
Bennett - Bennett

Gunnar - Bacuna
Ralls - Ralls
Grujic - Pack

Hoilett - Hoilett
Zohore - Madine
Mendez - Mendez

I would pick the first team every time

Goalie the same, Bamba is still available for defence. You've picked a weaker element in midfield when we have better options and up front you have ignored EVERYONE we brought in.

Goalkeepers - Etheridge, Smithies, Day

Defenders - Morrison, Flint, Bamba, Bennett, Peltier, Nelson, Connolly, Richards, Coxe

Midfielders - Pack, Ralls, Vaulks, Bacuna, Paterson, Tomlin, Damour

Wingers - Murphy, Mendez-Laing, Hoilett, Whyte

Strikers - Glatzel, Vassell, Ward, Bogle, Madine

It's all about opinions but I agree with yours here Wez in that this is not only a stronger squad but I think the spine of the team is far stronger. Adding players like Flint, Pack, Day, Nelson, Vassell and Glatzel prove that. Besides that 5 of our top 6 scorers the year we went up are still in the squad.

NW teams are always better than the sum of their individual parts and whilst we have let players like Manga, Zahore and Reid go what we have been left with is not to shabby.