I think we can lower our expectations after that.

Don't think scoring goals is our problem. Flint looked a shambles. Day's positioning is a shambles. Our teams shape was a shambles, we always looked like conceding. It was just a complete shambles.
I do think Bogle looked good when he came on, Mendez-Laing looked okay. Ralls good too. Everything else was a mess in my opinion.

I did think top 2 was achievable with this side to be honest, but I actually think we'll score alot of goals this season, I don't think that will be our downfall, if we're that disorganised with almost a full squad to pick from, I really don't know what to expect for the season now. Was strange starting Madine, thought he played 'well' but definetely needed more mobility going forward to chase the long balls as Bogle did when he came on.

Say what you like about being 1-0 before Etheridge came off, but we looked dodgy even before he came off, but still our goalkeeper didn't do himself any justice with his positioning either. I'm usually frustrated and it ruins my week when Cardiff lose, but during that game I just had a moment of clarity where I had to be honest and admit this side did not show the attributes of a top 6 team, nevermind top 2.

Sorry I disagree with the goalkeeper arguement, Etheridge would've have saved any of the three. First goal was a lucky defelection, Peltier sleeping, second Morrison too slow and beaten one on one, third was a great finish but Peltier back off for 40 yards... I do agree we need to re-adjust our expectations!

The year we went up last time, the first game we lost was a 3-0 thrashing by Preston, if I recall. Also got battered by Bolton, who are now a league below us.

The year we won the Championship, our record-breaking undefeated run came to an end against Peterborough, I believe? We then went on to lose the reverse fixture against them, too. They were planted at the bottom of the league when they got that first win over us, by the way.

Point is, losing away to Wigan, with 45 games remaining, is not going to give you any indication of how our season will pan out.

Don't think scoring goals is our problem. Flint looked a shambles. Day's positioning is a shambles. Our teams shape was a shambles, we always looked like conceding. It was just a complete shambles.
I do think Bogle looked good when he came on, Mendez-Laing looked okay. Ralls good too. Everything else was a mess in my opinion.

I did think top 2 was achievable with this side to be honest, but I actually think we'll score alot of goals this season, I don't think that will be our downfall, if we're that disorganised with almost a full squad to pick from, I really don't know what to expect for the season now. Was strange starting Madine, thought he played 'well' but definetely needed more mobility going forward to chase the long balls as Bogle did when he came on.

Say what you like about being 1-0 before Etheridge came off, but we looked dodgy even before he came off, but still our goalkeeper didn't do himself any justice with his positioning either. I'm usually frustrated and it ruins my week when Cardiff lose, but during that game I just had a moment of clarity where I had to be honest and admit this side did not show the attributes of a top 6 team, nevermind top 2.

You're going to be fun as f**k this season

I won't be lowering my expectations as I feel they were reasonably realistic in the first place. I thought if we get the rub of the green and the odd decision in our favour, we should be able to get a play off place. After that, anything is possible. Anyone who thinks we are a cert for promotion may be in for a bit of a shock. Nothing easy about getting out of this league, not upwards anyway.

Sorry I disagree with the goalkeeper arguement, Etheridge would've have saved any of the three. First goal was a lucky defelection, Peltier sleeping, second Morrison too slow and beaten one on one, third was a great finish but Peltier back off for 40 yards... I do agree we need to re-adjust our expectations!

A championship standard keeper would have saved the second and third.

The second was bubbling past him but his positioning was poor so he got wrong footed

The third was not in the top corner but again his positioning was poor so he could not get to it

I let him off with the first but really he should have raced out and made himself big or clattered the player whilst taking the ball

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

Christ I am by no means a happy clapping positive at all times type, in fact very far from it, but no season was ever resolved after game. Lets just hope we address midfield by Thursday.

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

Don't think scoring goals is our problem. Flint looked a shambles. Day's positioning is a shambles. Our teams shape was a shambles, we always looked like conceding. It was just a complete shambles.
I do think Bogle looked good when he came on, Mendez-Laing looked okay. Ralls good too. Everything else was a mess in my opinion.

I did think top 2 was achievable with this side to be honest, but I actually think we'll score alot of goals this season, I don't think that will be our downfall, if we're that disorganised with almost a full squad to pick from, I really don't know what to expect for the season now. Was strange starting Madine, thought he played 'well' but definetely needed more mobility going forward to chase the long balls as Bogle did when he came on.

Say what you like about being 1-0 before Etheridge came off, but we looked dodgy even before he came off, but still our goalkeeper didn't do himself any justice with his positioning either. I'm usually frustrated and it ruins my week when Cardiff lose, but during that game I just had a moment of clarity where I had to be honest and admit this side did not show the attributes of a top 6 team, nevermind top 2.

You're going to be fun as f**k this season

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

So then how many Goalkeepers are better than Etheridge in this league not many.

Our options in defence again not many squads that are better ours.

Cms we are pretty average though Ralls is vastly underrated by our fans. I hope we can bring in another CM before the window closes.

Wingers we are one of the strongest in the league with our options.

Forwards obviously Glatzel is an unknown quantity but Reid is up their as one of the best players in this division and Patterson will score a lot of goals if given enough starts.

I would swap our overall squad for many in this league and I wouldn’t swap our manager for anyone in this league

Come the end of the season we will be up their and a lot of people will look silly. Likely the same people who are massively overrating Fulham.

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

So then how many Goalkeepers are better than Etheridge in this league not many.

Our options in defence again not many squads that are better ours.

Cms we are pretty average though Ralls is vastly underrated by our fans. I hope we can bring in another CM before the window closes.

Wingers we are one of the strongest in the league with our options.

Forwards obviously Glatzel is an unknown quantity but Reid is up their as one of the best players in this division and Patterson will score a lot of goals if given enough starts.

I would swap our overall squad for many in this league and I wouldn’t swap our manager for anyone in this league

Come the end of the season we will be up their and a lot of people will look silly. Likely the same people who are massively overrating Fulham.

Yeah certain players etheridge being one.

But ralls is not under rated, he is very over rated and in a midfield 2 not quick enough, not defensively minded enough and doesn’t have the quality. Bacuna! Well reading are probably still bathing in the £3m we paid for him.

Wingers way too inconsistent forwards we can never tell, they are all asked to chase a football down that’s it.

Bennett probably, peltier no way, centre halves debatable.

So, Our centre midfield is non existent. Our forwards get no service, it’s no coincidence that ALL of our strikers under Warnock don’t score enough goals. Reid another who is bypassed really.

Finally. Don’t get me started on the useless pile of crap that is our non right back, non midfielder or striker in Callum Paterson. Paterson is a poor excuse of a footballer. How we shoehorn him in I will never know. That said I can’t see with Glatzel where he fits in, unless of course Reid is being dropped for Paterson.

So, as you say Reid is one of the best, would you drop him for Paterson who you say will score lots of goals?

As I said I wouldn’t rule out top 6 due to the Warnock effect but to say most sides would want our squad is very dramatic and a bit blue tinted. But, it’s all about opinions. For me I think we just have to address the midfield and get consistency in the wide areas.

Tbh 1 game doesn't lower my expectations especially when ive seen some of the other so called favourites losing today as well. I still think we will finish in the top 6 but I cant say im not worried about our lack of pace at the back (which I mentioned when we signed flint) and the lack of composure and quality in the centre of midfield.

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

So then how many Goalkeepers are better than Etheridge in this league not many.

Our options in defence again not many squads that are better ours.

Cms we are pretty average though Ralls is vastly underrated by our fans. I hope we can bring in another CM before the window closes.

Wingers we are one of the strongest in the league with our options.

Forwards obviously Glatzel is an unknown quantity but Reid is up their as one of the best players in this division and Patterson will score a lot of goals if given enough starts.

I would swap our overall squad for many in this league and I wouldn’t swap our manager for anyone in this league

Come the end of the season we will be up their and a lot of people will look silly. Likely the same people who are massively overrating Fulham.

Yeah certain players etheridge being one.

But ralls is not under rated, he is very over rated and in a midfield 2 not quick enough, not defensively minded enough and doesn’t have the quality. Bacuna! Well reading are probably still bathing in the £3m we paid for him.

Wingers way too inconsistent forwards we can never tell, they are all asked to chase a football down that’s it.

Bennett probably, peltier no way, centre halves debatable.

So, Our centre midfield is non existent. Our forwards get no service, it’s no coincidence that ALL of our strikers under Warnock don’t score enough goals. Reid another who is bypassed really.

Finally. Don’t get me started on the useless pile of crap that is our non right back, non midfielder or striker in Callum Paterson. Paterson is a poor excuse of a footballer. How we shoehorn him in I will never know. That said I can’t see with Glatzel where he fits in, unless of course Reid is being dropped for Paterson.

So, as you say Reid is one of the best, would you drop him for Paterson who you say will score lots of goals?

As I said I wouldn’t rule out top 6 due to the Warnock effect but to say most sides would want our squad is very dramatic and a bit blue tinted. But, it’s all about opinions. For me I think we just have to address the midfield and get consistency in the wide areas.

You know very little about football if you honestly think Patterson is crap. You are underrating our players and overating other teams it’s something a lot of our fans love doing. As an overall squad who would you prefer then?

Tbh 1 game doesn't lower my expectations especially when ive seen some of the other so called favourites losing today as well. I still think we will finish in the top 6 but I cant say im not worried about our lack of pace at the back (which I mentioned when we signed flint) and the lack of composure and quality in the centre of midfield.

Yes we need another midfielder and will be much better when Bamba is back. Vaulks needs to start instead of Bacuna next week for a start and Hoilett needs to start instead of Murphy who just doesn’t preform that often. On top of that exiticed to see what Glatzel is like onwards and upwards we will be up their

Mr Potato is spot on.
Weve lost the core of our squad in Guuner, Arter and Manga. Plus Camarasas guile.
Bacuna no replacement and I expect Morrison and Flint will be proven to be too slow, and too similar.
Game moved on and even in Championship centre halfs are not required to head away the 60 yard forward pass, unless they are playing us.
Arter back would be a real coup.
I'm also not sure where the collective of goals may come from. Don't think we need a 20 goal striker as proved by our last two promotions but I can't see Murphy, ML, Hoilet and Co being 10 each.

More reasons to get in players in this league were No games are easy .

Lowering your expectations


It’s only the 1st game of the season and we’ve got an injury to our No.1 and our new striker Glatzel was suspended....

Get a grip and have a word with yourself

The year we went up last time, the first game we lost was a 3-0 thrashing by Preston, if I recall. Also got battered by Bolton, who are now a league below us.

The year we won the Championship, our record-breaking undefeated run came to an end against Peterborough, I believe? We then went on to lose the reverse fixture against them, too. They were planted at the bottom of the league when they got that first win over us, by the way.

Point is, losing away to Wigan, with 45 games remaining, is not going to give you any indication of how our season will pan out.

Wigan got like 56pts last year,41 of those were home (there or thereabouts )its not an easy place to go.
But by the sounds of it we are f@cked according to a few maybe they are right,we are 3pts away from the top,with only 135 pts left available. we have some real diehard doom mongers already,1 game into the new season

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

So then how many Goalkeepers are better than Etheridge in this league not many.

Our options in defence again not many squads that are better ours.

Cms we are pretty average though Ralls is vastly underrated by our fans. I hope we can bring in another CM before the window closes.

Wingers we are one of the strongest in the league with our options.

Forwards obviously Glatzel is an unknown quantity but Reid is up their as one of the best players in this division and Patterson will score a lot of goals if given enough starts.

I would swap our overall squad for many in this league and I wouldn’t swap our manager for anyone in this league

Come the end of the season we will be up their and a lot of people will look silly. Likely the same people who are massively overrating Fulham.

Yeah certain players etheridge being one.

But ralls is not under rated, he is very over rated and in a midfield 2 not quick enough, not defensively minded enough and doesn’t have the quality. Bacuna! Well reading are probably still bathing in the £3m we paid for him.

Wingers way too inconsistent forwards we can never tell, they are all asked to chase a football down that’s it.

Bennett probably, peltier no way, centre halves debatable.

So, Our centre midfield is non existent. Our forwards get no service, it’s no coincidence that ALL of our strikers under Warnock don’t score enough goals. Reid another who is bypassed really.

Finally. Don’t get me started on the useless pile of crap that is our non right back, non midfielder or striker in Callum Paterson. Paterson is a poor excuse of a footballer. How we shoehorn him in I will never know. That said I can’t see with Glatzel where he fits in, unless of course Reid is being dropped for Paterson.

So, as you say Reid is one of the best, would you drop him for Paterson who you say will score lots of goals?

As I said I wouldn’t rule out top 6 due to the Warnock effect but to say most sides would want our squad is very dramatic and a bit blue tinted. But, it’s all about opinions. For me I think we just have to address the midfield and get consistency in the wide areas.

You know very little about football if you honestly think Patterson is crap. You are underrating our players and overating other teams it’s something a lot of our fans love doing. As an overall squad who would you prefer then?[/

I know plenty thanks, but, Paterson doesn’t offer nor bring anything to side, he wins headers but he doesn’t direct them to anyone. Put it at his feet and he’s stuck. He did once two foot a football into the back of net that was already put there by a team mate, everyone thought that made him our type of player??? Our manager said he can’t defend, he can’t play on the wing and as a striker doesn’t work. You clearly side stepped the question posed earlier. You stated Reid was one of the best in division, so Reid or Paterson? Where does Paterson fit in?

Fulham will be up there more due to backing they have that’s just reality. When they get going they will be hard to stop. This division dictates everyone beats everyone. We are nowhere near as good as you and others think we are. We are not anywhere near as bad as some think either. But, I still think we’ll challenge for top 6. Depending on sorting out midfield, it is critical he addresses it. And if he insists on playing ralls has to be in a central 3 not 2.

Now the reality is, and I will spell this out, long ball smash and grab and relying on set piece goals will get us so far, however teams are realising that they can actually run through our midfield. Wigan worked it out second half and scored 3.

The plus point from today, Bogle looked lively.

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

So then how many Goalkeepers are better than Etheridge in this league not many.

Our options in defence again not many squads that are better ours.

Cms we are pretty average though Ralls is vastly underrated by our fans. I hope we can bring in another CM before the window closes.

Wingers we are one of the strongest in the league with our options.

Forwards obviously Glatzel is an unknown quantity but Reid is up their as one of the best players in this division and Patterson will score a lot of goals if given enough starts.

I would swap our overall squad for many in this league and I wouldn’t swap our manager for anyone in this league

Come the end of the season we will be up their and a lot of people will look silly. Likely the same people who are massively overrating Fulham.

Yeah certain players etheridge being one.

But ralls is not under rated, he is very over rated and in a midfield 2 not quick enough, not defensively minded enough and doesn’t have the quality. Bacuna! Well reading are probably still bathing in the £3m we paid for him.

Wingers way too inconsistent forwards we can never tell, they are all asked to chase a football down that’s it.

Bennett probably, peltier no way, centre halves debatable.

So, Our centre midfield is non existent. Our forwards get no service, it’s no coincidence that ALL of our strikers under Warnock don’t score enough goals. Reid another who is bypassed really.

Finally. Don’t get me started on the useless pile of crap that is our non right back, non midfielder or striker in Callum Paterson. Paterson is a poor excuse of a footballer. How we shoehorn him in I will never know. That said I can’t see with Glatzel where he fits in, unless of course Reid is being dropped for Paterson.

So, as you say Reid is one of the best, would you drop him for Paterson who you say will score lots of goals?

As I said I wouldn’t rule out top 6 due to the Warnock effect but to say most sides would want our squad is very dramatic and a bit blue tinted. But, it’s all about opinions. For me I think we just have to address the midfield and get consistency in the wide areas.

You know very little about football if you honestly think Patterson is crap. You are underrating our players and overating other teams it’s something a lot of our fans love doing. As an overall squad who would you prefer then?[/

I know plenty thanks, but, Paterson doesn’t offer nor bring anything to side, he wins headers but he doesn’t direct them to anyone. Put it at his feet and he’s stuck. He did once two foot a football into the back of net that was already put there by a team mate, everyone thought that made him our type of player??? Our manager said he can’t defend, he can’t play on the wing and as a striker doesn’t work. You clearly side stepped the question posed earlier. You stated Reid was one of the best in division, so Reid or Paterson? Where does Paterson fit in?

Fulham will be up there more due to backing they have that’s just reality. When they get going they will be hard to stop. This division dictates everyone beats everyone. We are nowhere near as good as you and others think we are. We are not anywhere near as bad as some think either. But, I still think we’ll challenge for top 6. Depending on sorting out midfield, it is critical he addresses it. And if he insists on playing ralls has to be in a central 3 not 2.

Now the reality is, and I will spell this out, long ball smash and grab and relying on set piece goals will get us so far, however teams are realising that they can actually run through our midfield. Wigan worked it out second half and scored 3.

The plus point from today, Bogle looked lively.

Patterson is a striker with Reid playing off him. Hopefully Glatzel will shine next week but if he doesn’t Patterson will be ready to come of the bench. He has a very good scoring record in this league despite not being given many opportunities and mostly out of position.

As for Fulham it shows you know nothing about actual football and just follow the media hype. I look forward to the end of the season where just like last year people look like idiots for overrating them. They are a mid table side it’s that simple and I guarantee you that we will be in the playoffs as a minimum. Enjoy the season instead of being so negative and Prepare to be proved wrong like so many others.

Fulham will be backed by there owner and have money to burn. It doesn’t always mean promotion but look at their squad from midfield upwards. If they sort the back out and become hard to beat then they are; in this division at least, a massive threat and to discount them means it is actually you talking bollocks. That’s not media hype, they have proven goal scorers. We have Paterson, they will lose games of course but will be up there.

Paterson: don’t confuse effort with quality, he is full effort, but has zero quality. If he is shoehorned in it will be at the expense of Reid, who you state is one of the best.

But all these great players we have, that all teams would want yet we have had no offers for. I wonder why? But this little debate will sort itself out over the course of the season. Then we will see.

Fulham will be backed by there owner and have money to burn. It doesn’t always mean promotion but look at their squad from midfield upwards. If they sort the back out and become hard to beat then they are; in this division at least, a massive threat and to discount them means it is actually you talking bollocks. That’s not media hype, they have proven goal scorers. We have Paterson, they will lose games of course but will be up there.

Paterson: don’t confuse effort with quality, he is full effort, but has zero quality. If he is shoehorned in it will be at the expense of Reid, who you state is one of the best.

But all these great players we have, that all teams would want yet we have had no offers for. I wonder why? But this little debate will sort itself out over the course of the season. Then we will see.

Their midfield is defensively terrible and defence is utterly awful. Goalkeeper is one of the worst first choices in champ. People are vastly overating them yes they have Mitrovic and Cairney who are both awesome and Sess who has the potential to be dangerous. Those 3 though won’t be able to negate the mediocre to awful rest of the team. On top of that this is their managers first ever full season. Why anyway is actually considering them for automatic promotion is ludicrous and even playoffs is odd. They are mid table as will be proven.

Fulham will be backed by there owner and have money to burn. It doesn’t always mean promotion but look at their squad from midfield upwards. If they sort the back out and become hard to beat then they are; in this division at least, a massive threat and to discount them means it is actually you talking bollocks. That’s not media hype, they have proven goal scorers. We have Paterson, they will lose games of course but will be up there.

Paterson: don’t confuse effort with quality, he is full effort, but has zero quality. If he is shoehorned in it will be at the expense of Reid, who you state is one of the best.

But all these great players we have, that all teams would want yet we have had no offers for. I wonder why? But this little debate will sort itself out over the course of the season. Then we will see.

Their midfield is defensively terrible and defence is utterly awful. Goalkeeper is one of the worst first choices in champ. People are vastly overating them yes they have Mitrovic and Cairney who are both awesome and Sess who has the potential to be dangerous. Those 3 though won’t be able to negate the mediocre to awful rest of the team. On top of that this is their managers first ever full season. Why anyway is actually considering them for automatic promotion is ludicrous and even playoffs is odd. They are mid table as will be proven.

Did well at Barnsley didn't they?

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

So then how many Goalkeepers are better than Etheridge in this league not many.

Our options in defence again not many squads that are better ours.

Cms we are pretty average though Ralls is vastly underrated by our fans. I hope we can bring in another CM before the window closes.

Wingers we are one of the strongest in the league with our options.

Forwards obviously Glatzel is an unknown quantity but Reid is up their as one of the best players in this division and Patterson will score a lot of goals if given enough starts.

I would swap our overall squad for many in this league and I wouldn’t swap our manager for anyone in this league

Come the end of the season we will be up their and a lot of people will look silly. Likely the same people who are massively overrating Fulham.

Yeah certain players etheridge being one.

But ralls is not under rated, he is very over rated and in a midfield 2 not quick enough, not defensively minded enough and doesn’t have the quality. Bacuna! Well reading are probably still bathing in the £3m we paid for him.

Wingers way too inconsistent forwards we can never tell, they are all asked to chase a football down that’s it.

Bennett probably, peltier no way, centre halves debatable.

So, Our centre midfield is non existent. Our forwards get no service, it’s no coincidence that ALL of our strikers under Warnock don’t score enough goals. Reid another who is bypassed really.

Finally. Don’t get me started on the useless pile of crap that is our non right back, non midfielder or striker in Callum Paterson. Paterson is a poor excuse of a footballer. How we shoehorn him in I will never know. That said I can’t see with Glatzel where he fits in, unless of course Reid is being dropped for Paterson.

So, as you say Reid is one of the best, would you drop him for Paterson who you say will score lots of goals?

As I said I wouldn’t rule out top 6 due to the Warnock effect but to say most sides would want our squad is very dramatic and a bit blue tinted. But, it’s all about opinions. For me I think we just have to address the midfield and get consistency in the wide areas.

You know very little about football if you honestly think Patterson is crap. You are underrating our players and overating other teams it’s something a lot of our fans love doing. As an overall squad who would you prefer then?[/

I know plenty thanks, but, Paterson doesn’t offer nor bring anything to side, he wins headers but he doesn’t direct them to anyone. Put it at his feet and he’s stuck. He did once two foot a football into the back of net that was already put there by a team mate, everyone thought that made him our type of player??? Our manager said he can’t defend, he can’t play on the wing and as a striker doesn’t work. You clearly side stepped the question posed earlier. You stated Reid was one of the best in division, so Reid or Paterson? Where does Paterson fit in?

Fulham will be up there more due to backing they have that’s just reality. When they get going they will be hard to stop. This division dictates everyone beats everyone. We are nowhere near as good as you and others think we are. We are not anywhere near as bad as some think either. But, I still think we’ll challenge for top 6. Depending on sorting out midfield, it is critical he addresses it. And if he insists on playing ralls has to be in a central 3 not 2.

Now the reality is, and I will spell this out, long ball smash and grab and relying on set piece goals will get us so far, however teams are realising that they can actually run through our midfield. Wigan worked it out second half and scored 3.

The plus point from today, Bogle looked lively.

They didnt work anything out 1st was from free kick 2nd was poor defending from Morrison and 3rd a great shot after long ball over top! What they worked out was easy to bypass midfield by going long as our defenders were isolated.

A few things have become apparent after yesterday for me.

1. Day looked very poor in goal. I thought he was a great signing as he had played very well for Newport but he had a stinker yesterday. If Eheridge is out we need to use Smithies as his replacement.
2.A central midfield of Bacuna and Ralls does not work. Why Warncok tried it when we have signed a very good midfielder in Vaulks and Tomlin has been outstanding preseason is only known to him.
3. Murphy went awol in the second half and needs to be subsistuted as soon as he goes missing.
4. Please never play Madine again. How many games does he need to play without scoring for the penny to drop.
5. Can we get away with playing two really slow centre backs at the same time? Did not look like it yesterday.

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

So then how many Goalkeepers are better than Etheridge in this league not many.

Our options in defence again not many squads that are better ours.

Cms we are pretty average though Ralls is vastly underrated by our fans. I hope we can bring in another CM before the window closes.

Wingers we are one of the strongest in the league with our options.

Forwards obviously Glatzel is an unknown quantity but Reid is up their as one of the best players in this division and Patterson will score a lot of goals if given enough starts.

I would swap our overall squad for many in this league and I wouldn’t swap our manager for anyone in this league

Come the end of the season we will be up their and a lot of people will look silly. Likely the same people who are massively overrating Fulham.

Yeah certain players etheridge being one.

But ralls is not under rated, he is very over rated and in a midfield 2 not quick enough, not defensively minded enough and doesn’t have the quality. Bacuna! Well reading are probably still bathing in the £3m we paid for him.

Wingers way too inconsistent forwards we can never tell, they are all asked to chase a football down that’s it.

Bennett probably, peltier no way, centre halves debatable.

So, Our centre midfield is non existent. Our forwards get no service, it’s no coincidence that ALL of our strikers under Warnock don’t score enough goals. Reid another who is bypassed really.

Finally. Don’t get me started on the useless pile of crap that is our non right back, non midfielder or striker in Callum Paterson. Paterson is a poor excuse of a footballer. How we shoehorn him in I will never know. That said I can’t see with Glatzel where he fits in, unless of course Reid is being dropped for Paterson.

So, as you say Reid is one of the best, would you drop him for Paterson who you say will score lots of goals?

As I said I wouldn’t rule out top 6 due to the Warnock effect but to say most sides would want our squad is very dramatic and a bit blue tinted. But, it’s all about opinions. For me I think we just have to address the midfield and get consistency in the wide areas.

You know very little about football if you honestly think Patterson is crap. You are underrating our players and overating other teams it’s something a lot of our fans love doing. As an overall squad who would you prefer then?[/

I know plenty thanks, but, Paterson doesn’t offer nor bring anything to side, he wins headers but he doesn’t direct them to anyone. Put it at his feet and he’s stuck. He did once two foot a football into the back of net that was already put there by a team mate, everyone thought that made him our type of player??? Our manager said he can’t defend, he can’t play on the wing and as a striker doesn’t work. You clearly side stepped the question posed earlier. You stated Reid was one of the best in division, so Reid or Paterson? Where does Paterson fit in?

Fulham will be up there more due to backing they have that’s just reality. When they get going they will be hard to stop. This division dictates everyone beats everyone. We are nowhere near as good as you and others think we are. We are not anywhere near as bad as some think either. But, I still think we’ll challenge for top 6. Depending on sorting out midfield, it is critical he addresses it. And if he insists on playing ralls has to be in a central 3 not 2.

Now the reality is, and I will spell this out, long ball smash and grab and relying on set piece goals will get us so far, however teams are realising that they can actually run through our midfield. Wigan worked it out second half and scored 3.

The plus point from today, Bogle looked lively.

They didnt work anything out 1st was from free kick 2nd was poor defending from Morrison and 3rd a great shot after long ball over top! What they worked out was easy to bypass midfield by going long as our defenders were isolated.

They strolled through midfield time and time again, yes Fulham lost, I am not advocating them, but if they sort defence out, and if they don’t, they will out score teams. To write them off and believe we are better is blinkered. Our squad is nowhere near as good as we (some of you) think.

We are a mediocre side, same as last time, we punched well above our weight, we all said it. We have lost big players and not replaced them. Big us up with Phildavies all you want, we are not defensively solid are we? We are not great our wide are we? And we don’t know how much our new striker can chase a football yet do we?

Just being realistic

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

So then how many Goalkeepers are better than Etheridge in this league not many.

Our options in defence again not many squads that are better ours.

Cms we are pretty average though Ralls is vastly underrated by our fans. I hope we can bring in another CM before the window closes.

Wingers we are one of the strongest in the league with our options.

Forwards obviously Glatzel is an unknown quantity but Reid is up their as one of the best players in this division and Patterson will score a lot of goals if given enough starts.

I would swap our overall squad for many in this league and I wouldn’t swap our manager for anyone in this league

Come the end of the season we will be up their and a lot of people will look silly. Likely the same people who are massively overrating Fulham.

Yeah certain players etheridge being one.

But ralls is not under rated, he is very over rated and in a midfield 2 not quick enough, not defensively minded enough and doesn’t have the quality. Bacuna! Well reading are probably still bathing in the £3m we paid for him.

Wingers way too inconsistent forwards we can never tell, they are all asked to chase a football down that’s it.

Bennett probably, peltier no way, centre halves debatable.

So, Our centre midfield is non existent. Our forwards get no service, it’s no coincidence that ALL of our strikers under Warnock don’t score enough goals. Reid another who is bypassed really.

Finally. Don’t get me started on the useless pile of crap that is our non right back, non midfielder or striker in Callum Paterson. Paterson is a poor excuse of a footballer. How we shoehorn him in I will never know. That said I can’t see with Glatzel where he fits in, unless of course Reid is being dropped for Paterson.

So, as you say Reid is one of the best, would you drop him for Paterson who you say will score lots of goals?

As I said I wouldn’t rule out top 6 due to the Warnock effect but to say most sides would want our squad is very dramatic and a bit blue tinted. But, it’s all about opinions. For me I think we just have to address the midfield and get consistency in the wide areas.

You know very little about football if you honestly think Patterson is crap. You are underrating our players and overating other teams it’s something a lot of our fans love doing. As an overall squad who would you prefer then?[/

I know plenty thanks, but, Paterson doesn’t offer nor bring anything to side, he wins headers but he doesn’t direct them to anyone. Put it at his feet and he’s stuck. He did once two foot a football into the back of net that was already put there by a team mate, everyone thought that made him our type of player??? Our manager said he can’t defend, he can’t play on the wing and as a striker doesn’t work. You clearly side stepped the question posed earlier. You stated Reid was one of the best in division, so Reid or Paterson? Where does Paterson fit in?

Fulham will be up there more due to backing they have that’s just reality. When they get going they will be hard to stop. This division dictates everyone beats everyone. We are nowhere near as good as you and others think we are. We are not anywhere near as bad as some think either. But, I still think we’ll challenge for top 6. Depending on sorting out midfield, it is critical he addresses it. And if he insists on playing ralls has to be in a central 3 not 2.

Now the reality is, and I will spell this out, long ball smash and grab and relying on set piece goals will get us so far, however teams are realising that they can actually run through our midfield. Wigan worked it out second half and scored 3.

The plus point from today, Bogle looked lively.

They didnt work anything out 1st was from free kick 2nd was poor defending from Morrison and 3rd a great shot after long ball over top! What they worked out was easy to bypass midfield by going long as our defenders were isolated.

They strolled through midfield time and time again, yes Fulham lost, I am not advocating them, but if they sort defence out, and if they don’t, they will out score teams. To write them off and believe we are better is blinkered. Our squad is nowhere near as good as we (some of you) think.

We are a mediocre side, same as last time, we punched well above our weight, we all said it. We have lost big players and not replaced them. Big us up with Phildavies all you want, we are not defensively solid are we? We are not great our wide are we? And we don’t know how much our new striker can chase a football yet do we?

Just being realistic

Anyway time to move on, it’s a debate and a good one, but time will tell, and I do think we can get top 6. It’s all about this week and new signings. So fingers crossed, no additional midfielders spells big trouble in my opinion.

It’s one game FFS. Almost every other side would love to have our squad and we have the best manager in the division. We will be in the playoffs at the minimum if we’re not top 2. We will also be much much stronger once Bamba is back fit.

No they wouldn’t. Hardly any side would want our squad. You are vastly over rating our squad there. I wouldn’t rule out top 6 because our players will play for Warnock but energy and a willingness to play for a manager doesn’t cut it all the time. Teams play through us too easily, we do not have enough quality but we will grind out results because of the manager effect.

End of this season we will see a new manager, we will also hopefully see something a bit more attractive than watching a centre half smash a football to our big striker, for the ball to be cleared by a big centre half and run through our midfield.

So then how many Goalkeepers are better than Etheridge in this league not many.

Our options in defence again not many squads that are better ours.

Cms we are pretty average though Ralls is vastly underrated by our fans. I hope we can bring in another CM before the window closes.

Wingers we are one of the strongest in the league with our options.

Forwards obviously Glatzel is an unknown quantity but Reid is up their as one of the best players in this division and Patterson will score a lot of goals if given enough starts.

I would swap our overall squad for many in this league and I wouldn’t swap our manager for anyone in this league

Come the end of the season we will be up their and a lot of people will look silly. Likely the same people who are massively overrating Fulham.

Yeah certain players etheridge being one.

But ralls is not under rated, he is very over rated and in a midfield 2 not quick enough, not defensively minded enough and doesn’t have the quality. Bacuna! Well reading are probably still bathing in the £3m we paid for him.

Wingers way too inconsistent forwards we can never tell, they are all asked to chase a football down that’s it.

Bennett probably, peltier no way, centre halves debatable.

So, Our centre midfield is non existent. Our forwards get no service, it’s no coincidence that ALL of our strikers under Warnock don’t score enough goals. Reid another who is bypassed really.

Finally. Don’t get me started on the useless pile of crap that is our non right back, non midfielder or striker in Callum Paterson. Paterson is a poor excuse of a footballer. How we shoehorn him in I will never know. That said I can’t see with Glatzel where he fits in, unless of course Reid is being dropped for Paterson.

So, as you say Reid is one of the best, would you drop him for Paterson who you say will score lots of goals?

As I said I wouldn’t rule out top 6 due to the Warnock effect but to say most sides would want our squad is very dramatic and a bit blue tinted. But, it’s all about opinions. For me I think we just have to address the midfield and get consistency in the wide areas.

You know very little about football if you honestly think Patterson is crap. You are underrating our players and overating other teams it’s something a lot of our fans love doing. As an overall squad who would you prefer then?[/

I know plenty thanks, but, Paterson doesn’t offer nor bring anything to side, he wins headers but he doesn’t direct them to anyone. Put it at his feet and he’s stuck. He did once two foot a football into the back of net that was already put there by a team mate, everyone thought that made him our type of player??? Our manager said he can’t defend, he can’t play on the wing and as a striker doesn’t work. You clearly side stepped the question posed earlier. You stated Reid was one of the best in division, so Reid or Paterson? Where does Paterson fit in?

Fulham will be up there more due to backing they have that’s just reality. When they get going they will be hard to stop. This division dictates everyone beats everyone. We are nowhere near as good as you and others think we are. We are not anywhere near as bad as some think either. But, I still think we’ll challenge for top 6. Depending on sorting out midfield, it is critical he addresses it. And if he insists on playing ralls has to be in a central 3 not 2.

Now the reality is, and I will spell this out, long ball smash and grab and relying on set piece goals will get us so far, however teams are realising that they can actually run through our midfield. Wigan worked it out second half and scored 3.

The plus point from today, Bogle looked lively.

They didnt work anything out 1st was from free kick 2nd was poor defending from Morrison and 3rd a great shot after long ball over top! What they worked out was easy to bypass midfield by going long as our defenders were isolated.

They strolled through midfield time and time again, yes Fulham lost, I am not advocating them, but if they sort defence out, and if they don’t, they will out score teams. To write them off and believe we are better is blinkered. Our squad is nowhere near as good as we (some of you) think.

We are a mediocre side, same as last time, we punched well above our weight, we all said it. We have lost big players and not replaced them. Big us up with Phildavies all you want, we are not defensively solid are we? We are not great our wide are we? And we don’t know how much our new striker can chase a football yet do we?

Just being realistic

We are better hence why we finished above them the last two seasons despite the media hype, arrogance of their fans and delusions of many on here