Has Boris dropped a b#llock..........

by not supporting our ambassador to the USA.Don't think he's done himself any favours by not giving him unqualified support on last nights leaders debate.The guy was only doing his job as instructed.

by not supporting our ambassador to the USA.Don't think he's done himself any favours by not giving him unqualified support on last nights leaders debate.The guy was only doing his job as instructed.

He didn't unequivocally do it with hunt there but he did so in later interview! Bit late but that's boris

Boris will wait until he is advised on the more popular opinion, then go in that direction. Did it in this instance, did it with Brexit. People lap it up though so he will carry on (see above).

by not supporting our ambassador to the USA.Don't think he's done himself any favours by not giving him unqualified support on last nights leaders debate.The guy was only doing his job as instructed.

He didn't unequivocally do it with hunt there but he did so in later interview! Bit late but that's boris

Indeed; and has anyone (it's hard not to IMHO) noticed that Boris isn't up for a one-to-one debate

One of the two candidates has turned down an opportunity to appear on a Question Time Special on Tuesday because he isn't 'happy' with the audience mix of 50% Tory and 50% 'other' party supporters

No names were mentioned but Jeremy Hunt later Tweeted (quote) "Can confirm I am not sad candidate"

Hidden agendas and lack of honesty appear to be everywhere with Boris and his advisors know he cannot be put in front of a knowledgeable audience on his own

It was recently revealed that the PM actually tried to keep certain levels of information from him when he was Foreign Secretary because he couldn't be trusted with said information enough to prevent him making one of his infamous gaffes

Tells you a lot about the character and the man; yet c.160,000 party members (out of c.60,000,000 residents) will likely put the guy in No.10 on the premise that he is the Messiah

He isn't; he's just a very naughty boy!

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by not supporting our ambassador to the USA.Don't think he's done himself any favours by not giving him unqualified support on last nights leaders debate.The guy was only doing his job as instructed.

He didn't unequivocally do it with hunt there but he did so in later interview! Bit late but that's boris

Indeed; and has anyone (it's hard not to IMHO) noticed that Boris isn't up for a one-to-one debate

One of the two candidates has turned down an opportunity to appear on a Question Time Special on Tuesday because he isn't 'happy' with the audience mix of 50% Tory and 50% 'other' party supporters

No names were mentioned but Jeremy Hunt later Tweeted (quote) "Can confirm I am not sad candidate"

Hidden agendas and lack of honesty appear to be everywhere with Boris and his advisors know he cannot be put in front of a knowledgeable audience on his own

It was recently revealed that the PM actually tried to keep certain levels of information from him when he was Foreign Secretary because he couldn't be trusted with said information enough to prevent him making one of his infamous gaffes

Tells you a lot about the character and the man; yet c.160,000 party members (out of c.60,000,000 residents) will likely put the guy in No.10 on the premise that he is the Messiah

He isn't; he's just a very naughty boy!

Don't particularly like boris but my concern with hunt is he can be swayed given the right circumstances hes already moved his stance
couple if times which means Brexit will probably not happen with him as PM.

by not supporting our ambassador to the USA.Don't think he's done himself any favours by not giving him unqualified support on last nights leaders debate.The guy was only doing his job as instructed.

He didn't unequivocally do it with hunt there but he did so in later interview! Bit late but that's boris

Indeed; and has anyone (it's hard not to IMHO) noticed that Boris isn't up for a one-to-one debate

One of the two candidates has turned down an opportunity to appear on a Question Time Special on Tuesday because he isn't 'happy' with the audience mix of 50% Tory and 50% 'other' party supporters

No names were mentioned but Jeremy Hunt later Tweeted (quote) "Can confirm I am not sad candidate"

Hidden agendas and lack of honesty appear to be everywhere with Boris and his advisors know he cannot be put in front of a knowledgeable audience on his own

It was recently revealed that the PM actually tried to keep certain levels of information from him when he was Foreign Secretary because he couldn't be trusted with said information enough to prevent him making one of his infamous gaffes

Tells you a lot about the character and the man; yet c.160,000 party members (out of c.60,000,000 residents) will likely put the guy in No.10 on the premise that he is the Messiah

He isn't; he's just a very naughty boy!

Don't particularly like boris but my concern with hunt is he can be swayed given the right circumstances hes already moved his stance
couple if times which means Brexit will probably not happen with him as PM.

Got to be joking pal you know Boris wrote an article in favour of remaining, one in favour of leaving, waited to see which would get him more popularity then ran with it

by not supporting our ambassador to the USA.Don't think he's done himself any favours by not giving him unqualified support on last nights leaders debate.The guy was only doing his job as instructed.

He didn't unequivocally do it with hunt there but he did so in later interview! Bit late but that's boris

Indeed; and has anyone (it's hard not to IMHO) noticed that Boris isn't up for a one-to-one debate

One of the two candidates has turned down an opportunity to appear on a Question Time Special on Tuesday because he isn't 'happy' with the audience mix of 50% Tory and 50% 'other' party supporters

No names were mentioned but Jeremy Hunt later Tweeted (quote) "Can confirm I am not sad candidate"

Hidden agendas and lack of honesty appear to be everywhere with Boris and his advisors know he cannot be put in front of a knowledgeable audience on his own

It was recently revealed that the PM actually tried to keep certain levels of information from him when he was Foreign Secretary because he couldn't be trusted with said information enough to prevent him making one of his infamous gaffes

Tells you a lot about the character and the man; yet c.160,000 party members (out of c.60,000,000 residents) will likely put the guy in No.10 on the premise that he is the Messiah

He isn't; he's just a very naughty boy!

Don't particularly like boris but my concern with hunt is he can be swayed given the right circumstances hes already moved his stance
couple if times which means Brexit will probably not happen with him as PM.

Got to be joking pal you know Boris wrote an article in favour of remaining, one in favour of leaving, waited to see which would get him more popularity then ran with it

No I didn't know but then whilst read a lot of news online cant read everyone by all the people especially over past 3 yrs of Brexit debate... but then again you've just described 99.9% of politicians 2 faced....

Sven, do you honestly believe that security information was kept from a residing FS ??? Where was that written, The Guardian.

My own personal opinion is neither of these two will get us out of the EU clutches as neither will get the full support of the others backers to push BrExit through Parliament which is shameful and the end of democracy in the UK.

As for the other side, well Panorama lifted the lid last night eh?

by not supporting our ambassador to the USA.Don't think he's done himself any favours by not giving him unqualified support on last nights leaders debate.The guy was only doing his job as instructed.

Tory members would want him sacked, he fecked up big time, and we are trying to negotiate a trade deal with USA, no Hunt dropped a bollock.

I know he's resigned he had too, he was a dead man walking!

The vast majority of jumped to their conclusion on this based on their prejudices on Trump and or Boris / Brexit. That's from both sides I'll add. It wasn't the moment for making rash and hasty decisions based on little information so from that point of view for once he was right not to back him or sack him.

Boris is winning this and will win this on Brexit. On everything he looks a bit ham-fisted, probably more than a bit. The tax comment in the early days was ridiculous and ill conceived. The Remain biased media will have 1,000's of such throw away comments to throw back at him as soon as he's in role.

No, he’s a backbench MP, not his call. Fools to do this tv charade tho, it’s for penguins.

If it’s 60,000, or 17M people, it’s never enough for the hissy fit brigade.

you've just described 99.9% of politicians 2 faced....

Very true

Once Boris is in No 10 the UK will have a baffoon to rival Trump. GOD HELP US

has anyone (it's hard not to IMHO) noticed that Boris isn't up for a one-to-one debate

PM Question Time with Jeremy Corbyn is going to be interesting. A case of which one is more stupid?

Sven, do you honestly believe that security information was kept from a residing FS ??? Where was that written, The Guardian.

My own personal opinion is neither of these two will get us out of the EU clutches as neither will get the full support of the others backers to push BrExit through Parliament which is shameful and the end of democracy in the UK.

As for the other side, well Panorama lifted the lid last night eh?

Jules, Boris' own people confirmed it and my personal opinion is that Brexit won't happen. The politicians don't want to carry out the will of the people via the same majority vote system that got them in and (genuinely) what's the point of an arranged marriage of convenience with no say on the nuptials?

As for the Panorama thing; I'm with you on that and was intrigued to see Labour rejecting most of it on the Daily Politics show today, whilst turning down the invite to have their say

We're in a mess right now and whilst some might say "Go and do better" that is to miss the point; we didn't put ourselves up for election and say "We can do it for you, the public"

Sven, do you honestly believe that security information was kept from a residing FS ??? Where was that written, The Guardian.

My own personal opinion is neither of these two will get us out of the EU clutches as neither will get the full support of the others backers to push BrExit through Parliament which is shameful and the end of democracy in the UK.

As for the other side, well Panorama lifted the lid last night eh?

Jules, Boris' own people confirmed it and my personal opinion is that Brexit won't happen. The politicians don't want to carry out the will of the people via the same majority vote system that got them in and (genuinely) what's the point of an arranged marriage of convenience with no say on the nuptials?

As for the Panorama thing; I'm with you on that and was intrigued to see Labour rejecting most of it on the Daily Politics show today, whilst turning down the invite to have their say

We're in a mess right now and whilst some might say "Go and do better" that is to miss the point; we didn't put ourselves up for election and say "We can do it for you, the public"

Sven when you look at all the things going on in background hunt and boris can say what they like about implementing Brexit but truth is the cons don't have enough majority to push a no deal through or even a dodgy deal for that matter! Got rebellious members who will vote against the deal unless suits them and of course got bercaw who as papers say will manufacture a procedure so that Brexit wont happen... and the moron MPs crying it won't be democratic to bypass parliament, yet Same cretins are running roughshod over democratic will of the people.....

by not supporting our ambassador to the USA.Don't think he's done himself any favours by not giving him unqualified support on last nights leaders debate.The guy was only doing his job as instructed.

He didn't unequivocally do it with hunt there but he did so in later interview! Bit late but that's boris

Indeed; and has anyone (it's hard not to IMHO) noticed that Boris isn't up for a one-to-one debate

One of the two candidates has turned down an opportunity to appear on a Question Time Special on Tuesday because he isn't 'happy' with the audience mix of 50% Tory and 50% 'other' party supporters

No names were mentioned but Jeremy Hunt later Tweeted (quote) "Can confirm I am not sad candidate"

Hidden agendas and lack of honesty appear to be everywhere with Boris and his advisors know he cannot be put in front of a knowledgeable audience on his own

It was recently revealed that the PM actually tried to keep certain levels of information from him when he was Foreign Secretary because he couldn't be trusted with said information enough to prevent him making one of his infamous gaffes

Tells you a lot about the character and the man; yet c.160,000 party members (out of c.60,000,000 residents) will likely put the guy in No.10 on the premise that he is the Messiah

He isn't; he's just a very naughty boy!

Don't particularly like boris but my concern with hunt is he can be swayed given the right circumstances hes already moved his stance
couple if times which means Brexit will probably not happen with him as PM.

Got to be joking pal you know Boris wrote an article in favour of remaining, one in favour of leaving, waited to see which would get him more popularity then ran with it

Whats wrong with that? Would you prefer a dictator who ignored public opinion?

by not supporting our ambassador to the USA.Don't think he's done himself any favours by not giving him unqualified support on last nights leaders debate.The guy was only doing his job as instructed.

He didn't unequivocally do it with hunt there but he did so in later interview! Bit late but that's boris

Indeed; and has anyone (it's hard not to IMHO) noticed that Boris isn't up for a one-to-one debate

One of the two candidates has turned down an opportunity to appear on a Question Time Special on Tuesday because he isn't 'happy' with the audience mix of 50% Tory and 50% 'other' party supporters

No names were mentioned but Jeremy Hunt later Tweeted (quote) "Can confirm I am not sad candidate"

Hidden agendas and lack of honesty appear to be everywhere with Boris and his advisors know he cannot be put in front of a knowledgeable audience on his own

It was recently revealed that the PM actually tried to keep certain levels of information from him when he was Foreign Secretary because he couldn't be trusted with said information enough to prevent him making one of his infamous gaffes

Tells you a lot about the character and the man; yet c.160,000 party members (out of c.60,000,000 residents) will likely put the guy in No.10 on the premise that he is the Messiah

He isn't; he's just a very naughty boy!

Don't particularly like boris but my concern with hunt is he can be swayed given the right circumstances hes already moved his stance
couple if times which means Brexit will probably not happen with him as PM.

Got to be joking pal you know Boris wrote an article in favour of remaining, one in favour of leaving, waited to see which would get him more popularity then ran with it

Whats wrong with that? Would you prefer a dictator who ignored public opinion?

What are you on about this time!! He said he was less concerned Boris would be swayed/move his stance..my comment was directly replying to his point?

by not supporting our ambassador to the USA.Don't think he's done himself any favours by not giving him unqualified support on last nights leaders debate.The guy was only doing his job as instructed.

He didn't unequivocally do it with hunt there but he did so in later interview! Bit late but that's boris

Indeed; and has anyone (it's hard not to IMHO) noticed that Boris isn't up for a one-to-one debate

One of the two candidates has turned down an opportunity to appear on a Question Time Special on Tuesday because he isn't 'happy' with the audience mix of 50% Tory and 50% 'other' party supporters

No names were mentioned but Jeremy Hunt later Tweeted (quote) "Can confirm I am not sad candidate"

Hidden agendas and lack of honesty appear to be everywhere with Boris and his advisors know he cannot be put in front of a knowledgeable audience on his own

It was recently revealed that the PM actually tried to keep certain levels of information from him when he was Foreign Secretary because he couldn't be trusted with said information enough to prevent him making one of his infamous gaffes

Tells you a lot about the character and the man; yet c.160,000 party members (out of c.60,000,000 residents) will likely put the guy in No.10 on the premise that he is the Messiah

He isn't; he's just a very naughty boy!

Don't particularly like boris but my concern with hunt is he can be swayed given the right circumstances hes already moved his stance
couple if times which means Brexit will probably not happen with him as PM.

Got to be joking pal you know Boris wrote an article in favour of remaining, one in favour of leaving, waited to see which would get him more popularity then ran with it

Whats wrong with that? Would you prefer a dictator who ignored public opinion?

What are you on about this time!! He said he was less concerned Boris would be swayed/move his stance..my comment was directly replying to his point?

People should look at several posts as we know i responded to your reply. I hate it when things are overlooked or miss quoted that leads to misunderstandings

As much of a clown i believe Boris is, I am with him on this one.

In this post truth, soundbite, personality based era a debate of ideas is pointless. Essentially the tory leadership is not about ideas, its a popularity contest. How can you debate ideas when the DNA of you and your opponent beliefs are 99% the same. Two upper middle class, privately educated, entitled, heterosexual middle aged men who basically believe in the same things. Any weaknesses will be exploited in few months by labour when we have general election.

Hunts newfound toughness is embarrassing, his new double hard Brexit facade is as nauseating as Ed Milliband "hell yeah" bollocks of a few years ago.

The tory faithful like the rest of the country want one thing, Brexit sorted one way or another. The only person who can close the loop is the leader of the tory leave campaign and thats Boris.

The media need to make something out of nothing. Johnson not supporting the ambassador really is a so what moment. He never leaked the cables to Oakshot, she never had to write the article (where's the public interest) and the Mail didn't have to publish it. But somehow its BJ's fault.

We need a Boris PM for at least the next six months. Leave, deal, remain or election. We need to break the impasse

Let's agree on one thing the tosser should be called Johnson - not Boris!! Grrrr

Sven, do you honestly believe that security information was kept from a residing FS ??? Where was that written, The Guardian.

My own personal opinion is neither of these two will get us out of the EU clutches as neither will get the full support of the others backers to push BrExit through Parliament which is shameful and the end of democracy in the UK.

As for the other side, well Panorama lifted the lid last night eh?

Jules, Boris' own people confirmed it and my personal opinion is that Brexit won't happen. The politicians don't want to carry out the will of the people via the same majority vote system that got them in and (genuinely) what's the point of an arranged marriage of convenience with no say on the nuptials?

As for the Panorama thing; I'm with you on that and was intrigued to see Labour rejecting most of it on the Daily Politics show today, whilst turning down the invite to have their say

We're in a mess right now and whilst some might say "Go and do better" that is to miss the point; we didn't put ourselves up for election and say "We can do it for you, the public"

Sven when you look at all the things going on in background hunt and boris can say what they like about implementing Brexit but truth is the cons don't have enough majority to push a no deal through or even a dodgy deal for that matter! Got rebellious members who will vote against the deal unless suits them and of course got bercaw who as papers say will manufacture a procedure so that Brexit wont happen... and the moron MPs crying it won't be democratic to bypass parliament, yet Same cretins are running roughshod over democratic will of the people.....

You're not wrong there, Allan

Not sure if you saw Sir John Major on BBC News 'Hard Talk' with Steven Sackur? But tonight I saw a former PM (Major) almost lose his rag and be more passionate than I've ever seen him when questioned on a number of Brexit issues, including how Boris is actually going to deliver!

He called it 'a wasted opportunity' for the UK to re-eatablish itself and that Boris was not going to be 'in control' of what happens next; no matter what he says

Boris, IMHO, is telling the 160,000 Conservative member voters (no one else matters in his world of personal ambition) exactly what they want to here and they're falling for it...hook, line and sinker!

Boris will wait until he is advised on the more popular opinion, then go in that direction. Did it in this instance, did it with Brexit. People lap it up though so he will carry on (see above).

The bumbling likeable joker is a front, Boris always checks what way the winds blowing before he commits to anything.

Sven, do you honestly believe that security information was kept from a residing FS ??? Where was that written, The Guardian.

My own personal opinion is neither of these two will get us out of the EU clutches as neither will get the full support of the others backers to push BrExit through Parliament which is shameful and the end of democracy in the UK.

As for the other side, well Panorama lifted the lid last night eh?

Jules, Boris' own people confirmed it and my personal opinion is that Brexit won't happen. The politicians don't want to carry out the will of the people via the same majority vote system that got them in and (genuinely) what's the point of an arranged marriage of convenience with no say on the nuptials?

As for the Panorama thing; I'm with you on that and was intrigued to see Labour rejecting most of it on the Daily Politics show today, whilst turning down the invite to have their say

We're in a mess right now and whilst some might say "Go and do better" that is to miss the point; we didn't put ourselves up for election and say "We can do it for you, the public"

Sven when you look at all the things going on in background hunt and boris can say what they like about implementing Brexit but truth is the cons don't have enough majority to push a no deal through or even a dodgy deal for that matter! Got rebellious members who will vote against the deal unless suits them and of course got bercaw who as papers say will manufacture a procedure so that Brexit wont happen... and the moron MPs crying it won't be democratic to bypass parliament, yet Same cretins are running roughshod over democratic will of the people.....

You're not wrong there, Allan

Not sure if you saw Sir John Major on BBC News 'Hard Talk' with Steven Sackur? But tonight I saw a former PM (Major) almost lose his rag and be more passionate than I've ever seen him when questioned on a number of Brexit issues, including how Boris is actually going to deliver!

He called it 'a wasted opportunity' for the UK to re-eatablish itself and that Boris was not going to be 'in control' of what happens next; no matter what he says

Boris, IMHO, is telling the 160,000 Conservative member voters (no one else matters in his world of personal ambition) exactly what they want to here and they're falling for it...hook, line and sinker!

Unfortunately politicians will say anything to get elected for PM or an MP! The money men in the city say we are ready and robust enough for no deal Brexit, yes be hard for couple of years but once get things sorted we will prosper as a country as long as whoever is in charge does things correctl? What's certain is if lose Brexit we will suffer under the federal state that will emerge and we probably won't be allowed to leave without massive penalties ..... now is time to go before its to
late ...

Boris will wait until he is advised on the more popular opinion, then go in that direction. Did it in this instance, did it with Brexit. People lap it up though so he will carry on (see above).

The bumbling likeable joker is a front, Boris always checks what way the winds blowing before he commits to anything.

Jock, former Prime Minister Sir John Major (who to be fair stated he wasn't as fixated on Boris as some people including the interviewer himself) even praised Phoney Blair over Boris for his diplomacy; specifically for his part in the Irish issue

John Major's comments on Europe deserves zero credibility. That was the man who's blind desire to take us into the single currency led us kamikaze style into the ERM. Not only that but he was project fear 30 years ago. His cataclysmic financial predictions should we withdraw must have been completely fabricated. He couldn't have honestly got them so far wrong.

Where would he have taken us that black Wednesday if he the interest rates rises had worked, 2% in the morning 3% in the afternoon. We'd now be in the euro for a cert.

Thankfully we crashed out that night and history proves that everything Major did, every decision and step he took on the ERM was flawed and in the case of the predictions so far wide of the mark you have to question his integrity. In my view he tried very hard to con the nation.

John Major's comments on Europe deserves zero credibility. That was the man who's blind desire to take us into the single currency led us kamikaze style into the ERM. Not only that but he was project fear 30 years ago. His cataclysmic financial predictions should we withdraw must have been completely fabricated. He couldn't have honestly got them so far wrong.

Where would he have taken us that black Wednesday if he the interest rates rises had worked, 2% in the morning 3% in the afternoon. We'd now be in the euro for a cert.

Thankfully we crashed out that night and history proves that everything Major did, every decision and step he took on the ERM was flawed and in the case of the predictions so far wide of the mark you have to question his integrity. In my view he tried very hard to con the nation.

All these ex PMs are trying to hoodwink Joe public over Brexit because they all are pro Europe and are biased in what they say ffs even the sun shines out of Brussels arse according to them..

I slightly disagree. The former prime ministers are not pro EU, they are pro big business and globalization, they may and probably are the same thing, but its not the project, it’s the consequence they want to protect.

Currently there are three major blocks. USA, China and the EU. Each obviously wants to protect their own markets even at the expense of the others. You could argue all day longer about the strengths and weaknesses of each block. Two are single countries that that pride themselves under a single flag. Two have several languages and cultures within the block. Two are “free” market economies with democratically elected governments.

Globalization has made many corporations and those at the top very very wealthy. Stupidly wealthy. They need to protect the status quo, especially the EU based ones as any weakness will be exploited by the other two blocks. The European globalization lackeys (Blair, Major, Brown, May) wouldn’t really care if Barclays lost market share to Deutsche bank or BNP Paribas, but the likely hood is they’ll lose that share to Morgan Stanley or Citi and that hurts their buddies and other secretive groups they are associated with. They all started with good intentions but real power corrupts. I believe they believe in what they are saying is best for the country, but they are so connected to the 1% they have a distorted view of the world.

The beauty of the EU is you only have to influence one group, the commission and not five or six biggish governments. This makes getting your way so much easier. The MEP’s are as useful and have as much power as the House of lords. How many other democracies top position is not decided by the members of the elected government or directly elected by the populous. It’s just China and Russia without the pretense.

There is no way the UK leaves without a deal !!!! It won’t be allowed. It will all be about the optics. BJ is the only one who can end this. He accepts a deal that can take the extremists in his party with him as well as labour. He doesn’t get a deal and parliament tosses around and causes a General election where labour or the tories may get decimated and ultimately splitting never to see power as a single entity ever again.

For political parties and those who plan to build wealth and a career around them it will be troubling. But they in the guise of globalization (EU) have already taken the coal, steel, engineering, manufacturing away, so it won’t really hurt me anyway.

BJ or Hunt it won’t make a difference the only one they didn’t want is Corbyn, but the labour globalists have nearly killed him off as well.

I slightly disagree. The former prime ministers are not pro EU, they are pro big business and globalization, they may and probably are the same thing, but its not the project, it’s the consequence they want to protect.

Currently there are three major blocks. USA, China and the EU. Each obviously wants to protect their own markets even at the expense of the others. You could argue all day longer about the strengths and weaknesses of each block. Two are single countries that that pride themselves under a single flag. Two have several languages and cultures within the block. Two are “free” market economies with democratically elected governments.

Globalization has made many corporations and those at the top very very wealthy. Stupidly wealthy. They need to protect the status quo, especially the EU based ones as any weakness will be exploited by the other two blocks. The European globalization lackeys (Blair, Major, Brown, May) wouldn’t really care if Barclays lost market share to Deutsche bank or BNP Paribas, but the likely hood is they’ll lose that share to Morgan Stanley or Citi and that hurts their buddies and other secretive groups they are associated with. They all started with good intentions but real power corrupts. I believe they believe in what they are saying is best for the country, but they are so connected to the 1% they have a distorted view of the world.

The beauty of the EU is you only have to influence one group, the commission and not five or six biggish governments. This makes getting your way so much easier. The MEP’s are as useful and have as much power as the House of lords. How many other democracies top position is not decided by the members of the elected government or directly elected by the populous. It’s just China and Russia without the pretense.

There is no way the UK leaves without a deal !!!! It won’t be allowed. It will all be about the optics. BJ is the only one who can end this. He accepts a deal that can take the extremists in his party with him as well as labour. He doesn’t get a deal and parliament tosses around and causes a General election where labour or the tories may get decimated and ultimately splitting never to see power as a single entity ever again.

For political parties and those who plan to build wealth and a career around them it will be troubling. But they in the guise of globalization (EU) have already taken the coal, steel, engineering, manufacturing away, so it won’t really hurt me anyway.

BJ or Hunt it won’t make a difference the only one they didn’t want is Corbyn, but the labour globalists have nearly killed him off as well.

Ok they just don't want to leave EU full stop! Can have nothing but contempt for them as they are denying the will of the people just for their own personal reasons ? Makes you wonder why MPs go into politics if they are not going to represent the very people who elected them in 1st place!

I slightly disagree. The former prime ministers are not pro EU, they are pro big business and globalization, they may and probably are the same thing, but its not the project, it’s the consequence they want to protect.

Currently there are three major blocks. USA, China and the EU. Each obviously wants to protect their own markets even at the expense of the others. You could argue all day longer about the strengths and weaknesses of each block. Two are single countries that that pride themselves under a single flag. Two have several languages and cultures within the block. Two are “free” market economies with democratically elected governments.

Globalization has made many corporations and those at the top very very wealthy. Stupidly wealthy. They need to protect the status quo, especially the EU based ones as any weakness will be exploited by the other two blocks. The European globalization lackeys (Blair, Major, Brown, May) wouldn’t really care if Barclays lost market share to Deutsche bank or BNP Paribas, but the likely hood is they’ll lose that share to Morgan Stanley or Citi and that hurts their buddies and other secretive groups they are associated with. They all started with good intentions but real power corrupts. I believe they believe in what they are saying is best for the country, but they are so connected to the 1% they have a distorted view of the world.

The beauty of the EU is you only have to influence one group, the commission and not five or six biggish governments. This makes getting your way so much easier. The MEP’s are as useful and have as much power as the House of lords. How many other democracies top position is not decided by the members of the elected government or directly elected by the populous. It’s just China and Russia without the pretense.

There is no way the UK leaves without a deal !!!! It won’t be allowed. It will all be about the optics. BJ is the only one who can end this. He accepts a deal that can take the extremists in his party with him as well as labour. He doesn’t get a deal and parliament tosses around and causes a General election where labour or the tories may get decimated and ultimately splitting never to see power as a single entity ever again.

For political parties and those who plan to build wealth and a career around them it will be troubling. But they in the guise of globalization (EU) have already taken the coal, steel, engineering, manufacturing away, so it won’t really hurt me anyway.

BJ or Hunt it won’t make a difference the only one they didn’t want is Corbyn, but the labour globalists have nearly killed him off as well.

Ok they just don't want to leave EU full stop! Can have nothing but contempt for them as they are denying the will of the people just for their own personal reasons ? Makes you wonder why MPs go into politics if they are not going to represent the very people who elected them in 1st place!

1) For the money 2) Nobody else would employ them.